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  • kallio_mn
    One of the pieces of equipment at the HARRP site is a Spectrum Analyzer that displays the amount of energy it received in a band from 1 to 30 MHz for the last
    Message 1 of 10 , Feb 1, 2008
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      One of the pieces of equipment at the HARRP site is a Spectrum Analyzer
      that displays the amount of energy it received in a band from 1 to 30
      MHz for the last 36 hours.
      (http://maestro.haarp.alaska.edu/data/spectrum2/www/hf.html) This type
      of chart is called a WaterFall chart. The vertical axis is Frequency,
      the horizontal access is time and the signal intensity is color coded.

      Since discovering this page, I have visited frequently to check on the
      general propagation conditions. Today I noticed something interesting.
      For the first time, there is a very strong (yellow) signal in the 3 MHZ
      range, followed by similar signals in the middle 6 MHz range, high 9 MHz
      range, high 12 MHz range, continuing upward in a harmonic progression.

      As described in their website, this is an automated system. It just
      records data and publishes html pages without much human intervention.
      And, when HAARP is active, it should also record the energy at the HAARP
      main frequency, and if there are any non linearities about, some
      harmonic energy as well - which is pretty much what we see.

      Therefore, one should be able to monitor this link and can determine
      when the HAARP transmitter was operational. Since the time scale is
      UTC , you can simply ajust the time to your local time zone.
      (Anchorage is UTC - 9 and Minnesota is UTC -6. ) Now that you have
      the time, you can correlate the times you hear the Hum with the actual
      times that HAARP is active!

      If you hear the Hum when HAARP is not transmitting, then HAARP can not
      be the source.

      Kallio
      Minneapolis, Minnesota
    • weels
      COOL BEANS!!! I ll check er out. Thanks - WEELS ( Northern NY)
      Message 2 of 10 , Feb 1, 2008
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        COOL BEANS!!!
        I'll check 'er out.
        Thanks - WEELS ( Northern NY)

        --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "kallio_mn" <kallio_mn@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > One of the pieces of equipment at the HARRP site is a Spectrum Analyzer
        > that displays the amount of energy it received in a band from 1 to 30
        > MHz for the last 36 hours.
        > (http://maestro.haarp.alaska.edu/data/spectrum2/www/hf.html) This type
        > of chart is called a WaterFall chart. The vertical axis is Frequency,
        > the horizontal access is time and the signal intensity is color coded.
        >
        > Since discovering this page, I have visited frequently to check on the
        > general propagation conditions. Today I noticed something interesting.
        > For the first time, there is a very strong (yellow) signal in the 3 MHZ
        > range, followed by similar signals in the middle 6 MHz range, high 9 MHz
        > range, high 12 MHz range, continuing upward in a harmonic progression.
        >
        > As described in their website, this is an automated system. It just
        > records data and publishes html pages without much human intervention.
        > And, when HAARP is active, it should also record the energy at the HAARP
        > main frequency, and if there are any non linearities about, some
        > harmonic energy as well - which is pretty much what we see.
        >
        > Therefore, one should be able to monitor this link and can determine
        > when the HAARP transmitter was operational. Since the time scale is
        > UTC , you can simply ajust the time to your local time zone.
        > (Anchorage is UTC - 9 and Minnesota is UTC -6. ) Now that you have
        > the time, you can correlate the times you hear the Hum with the actual
        > times that HAARP is active!
        >
        > If you hear the Hum when HAARP is not transmitting, then HAARP can not
        > be the source.
        >
        > Kallio
        > Minneapolis, Minnesota
        >
      • coer_12
        ... Flip side- what if you don t hear the hum when it s transmitting? :
        Message 3 of 10 , Feb 2, 2008
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          --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "kallio_mn" <kallio_mn@...> wrote:

          > If you hear the Hum when HAARP is not transmitting, then HAARP can not
          > be the source.
          >
          > Kallio
          > Minneapolis, Minnesota
          >

          Flip side- what if you don't hear the hum when it's transmitting? :<)

          IMO, sometimes hearers get caught up in looking FOR something rather
          than considering what's not present.


          Coer
        • Mark Spevakow
          There are numerous HAARP Facilities around the world not just the one know facility in Alaska. This is from Wikipedia - ... Here is the link if you want to
          Message 4 of 10 , Feb 2, 2008
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            Re:HAARP transmit times? There are numerous HAARP Facilities around the world not just the one know facility in Alaska. This is from Wikipedia -

            Current facilities

            The United States has three ionospheric heating facilities: the HAARP, the HIPAS, near Fairbanks, Alaska, and (currently offline for modifications) one at the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico. The European Incoherent Scatter Scientific Association (EISCAT) operates an ionospheric heating facility, capable of transmitting over 1 GW [5] (1,000,000,000 watts) effective radiated power (ERP), near Tromsø in Norway. Russia has the Sura ionospheric heating facility, in Vasilsursk near Nizhniy Novgorod, capable of transmitting 190 MW ERP.

            Here is the link if you want to look - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program


            In addition I am sure that they are other similar facilities that are Top Secret and not know about. How would we ever have any idea if the HUM was caused by one of these other facilities?

            Last night in Vancouver, BC the HUM was much lower in pitch than usual and was louder as well.

            Best Wishes to all,

            Mark

          • John Locke
            Thanks! ... Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
            Message 5 of 10 , Feb 2, 2008
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              Thanks!


              Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
            • kallio_mn
              ... effective radiated ... ionospheric heating ... transmitting 190 MW ... ERP = effective radiated power. See wikipedia:
              Message 6 of 10 , Feb 2, 2008
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                --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Mark Spevakow <mspev@...> wrote:

                > > capable of transmitting over 1 GW [5] (1,000,000,000 watts)
                effective radiated
                > > power (ERP), near Tromsø in Norway. Russia has the Sura
                ionospheric heating
                > > facility, in Vasilsursk near Nizhniy Novgorod, capable of
                transmitting 190 MW
                > > ERP.

                ERP = effective radiated power.
                See wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_radiated_power

                These are typically highly directional transmitters. UHF is
                essentially line of sight transmission. So if you are interested in
                sending signals into the ionosphere instead of cooking all the
                chickens in a 30 mile radius, you use a highly directional antenna.
                Nearly all of the energy is directed skyward. A 30 degree beam
                instead of a 360 degree yields an effective antenna gain of 12.

                > >
                > >
                > In addition I am sure that they are other similar facilities that
                are Top
                > Secret and not know about. How would we ever have any idea if the
                HUM was
                > caused by one of these other facilities?

                While the intended use of these sites may remain secret,that is about
                all. If they are transmitting, they will appear on Spectrum Monitors.
                If the signal propagates, they can be monitored. With a frequency and
                time of transmission, they can be triangulated and physically located.

                Radio is one of those things that is just outside human perception.
                Faraday predicted radio mathematically. It took another 40 years
                before Hertz could experimentally confirm its presence.
                Electromagnetics requires faith. It works. It exists. We can't see
                it, normally not can feel it. As an organism, we do not know if it is
                present or not, nor in what magnitude. But we are bathed in a sea of
                Electromagnetic energy. That is what a Spectrum Analyzer/Monitor
                shows us.
              • Dave
                Hum was more pronounced on the north side of Chicago, even with all the snow we have, which I think tends to rule out wind over roof vents, etc. ... From: Mark
                Message 7 of 10 , Feb 2, 2008
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                  Hum was more pronounced on the north side of Chicago, even with all the snow we have, which I think tends to rule out wind over roof vents, etc.
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                  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:15 PM
                  Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re:HAARP transmit times?

                  There are numerous HAARP Facilities around the world not just the one know facility in Alaska. This is from Wikipedia -

                  Current facilities

                  The United States has three ionospheric heating facilities: the HAARP, the HIPAS, near Fairbanks, Alaska, and (currently offline for modifications) one at the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico. The European Incoherent Scatter Scientific Association (EISCAT) operates an ionospheric heating facility, capable of transmitting over 1 GW [5] (1,000,000,000 watts) effective radiated power (ERP), near Tromsø in Norway. Russia has the Sura ionospheric heating facility, in Vasilsursk near Nizhniy Novgorod, capable of transmitting 190 MW ERP.

                  Here is the link if you want to look - http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ High_Frequency_ Active_Auroral_ Research_ Program


                  In addition I am sure that they are other similar facilities that are Top Secret and not know about. How would we ever have any idea if the HUM was caused by one of these other facilities?

                  Last night in Vancouver, BC the HUM was much lower in pitch than usual and was louder as well.

                  Best Wishes to all,

                  Mark

                • kallio_mn
                  ... There are 4 possible combinations for HAARP and the HUM Case HAARP HUM hearer 1 Not Transmitting Not hearing Hum 2
                  Message 8 of 10 , Feb 6, 2008
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                    --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "coer_12" <coer_12@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "kallio_mn" <kallio_mn@> wrote:
                    >
                    > > If you hear the Hum when HAARP is not transmitting, then HAARP can not
                    > > be the source.
                    > >
                    > > Kallio
                    > > Minneapolis, Minnesota
                    > >
                    >
                    > Flip side- what if you don't hear the hum when it's transmitting? :<)
                    >
                    > IMO, sometimes hearers get caught up in looking FOR something rather
                    > than considering what's not present.
                    >
                    >
                    > Coer
                    >

                    There are 4 possible combinations for HAARP and the HUM

                    Case HAARP HUM hearer
                    1 Not Transmitting Not hearing Hum
                    2 Not Transmitting Hearing Hum
                    3 Transmitting Not hearing Hum
                    4 Transmitting Hearing Hum

                    If we assume that their could be other sources for the HUM in addtion
                    to the HAARP, then we can conclude the following.

                    1) Inconclusive: The lack of a HUM could be due to other reasons.
                    2) Conclusive: HAARP is not the source of today's Hum. Another
                    source could be however.

                    3) Inconclusive: Signal may not be reaching listeners location.
                    4) Inconclusive: HAARP or another source could be producing the HUM.

                    All we can say is that case 2 suggests another source of the Hum.
                    Both HAARP and another source could be producing the HUM, but on days
                    when HAARP is idle, then it can not be a contributor.
                  • coer_12
                    ... Or- 3) HAARP signal may a canceling effect. Then again, other countries also have HAARP technology. Given that we re all under the same ionosphere it would
                    Message 9 of 10 , Feb 8, 2008
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                      --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "kallio_mn" <kallio_mn@...> wrote:
                      (partial quote:
                      > 3 Transmitting Not hearing Hum


                      > 3) Inconclusive: Signal may not be reaching listeners location.>>



                      Or- 3) HAARP signal may a canceling effect.


                      Then again, other countries also have HAARP technology. Given that
                      we're all under the same ionosphere it would be difficult to discern
                      who's on first.
                    • kallio_mn
                      ... That is the whole point of the ELF receiver and HF spectrum charts and EISCAT sites that I have provided links to. Equipment at these sites allow us to
                      Message 10 of 10 , Feb 8, 2008
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                        --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "coer_12" <coer_12@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "kallio_mn" <kallio_mn@> wrote:
                        > (partial quote:
                        > > 3 Transmitting Not hearing Hum
                        >
                        >
                        > > 3) Inconclusive: Signal may not be reaching listeners location.>>
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Or- 3) HAARP signal may a canceling effect.
                        >
                        > Then again, other countries also have HAARP technology. Given that
                        > we're all under the same ionosphere it would be difficult to discern
                        > who's on first.
                        >

                        That is the whole point of the ELF receiver and HF spectrum charts and
                        EISCAT sites that I have provided links to. Equipment at these sites
                        allow us to see what signals are present when. If they exist in any
                        strength at all, then they will be visible. If they can propagate all
                        the from XYZistan to the back of my head in sufficient strength to
                        bother me, then they will show up on a spectrum analyzer.

                        Kallio
                        Minneapolis, Minnesota.
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