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  • arton54
    ... Cheers Colin (west coast scotland) ... Hi Colin I think your idea of calcite crystals could be spot on.I am in my mid 60`s and a retired electronics
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      --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "mack_colin" <mack_colin@...> wrote:
      >
      > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "arton54" <dtlawton@> wrote:
      > > Hi This is my first post.Were I live in Presteigne Wales Uk Have
      > found.... Dave...
      >
      >
      > My own opinion is that the noise is created by calcite crystals in
      > the inner ear cavities, and only grow to a resonant condtion, once a
      > person is over forty,
      >
      >
      >
      Cheers Colin (west coast scotland)
      >
      Hi Colin
      I think your idea of calcite crystals could be spot on.I
      am in my mid 60`s and a retired electronics engineer,having worked on
      all sorts of projects gravity wave detectors and particle physics am
      looking at the effects of energy saving bulbs at the moment here is a
      link to a page on my web
      site.http://www.liberationtechnology.co.uk/news.htm
      I think I might grow some calcite crystals and do some tests have you
      ever heard of dielectric detectors?.
      Regards Dave
      >
    • mack_colin
      ... Hi Dave, The calcite cyristal theory is quite complex, but it seems the simple conclusion, is that these crystals can be affected by electro-magnetic
      Message 2 of 28 , Jan 17, 2008
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        > I think I might grow some calcite crystals Regards Dave

        Hi Dave, The calcite cyristal theory is quite complex, but it seems
        the simple conclusion, is that these crystals can be affected by
        electro-magnetic fields, and it is documented as such, in many papers.

        If you put keywords 'ear calcite crystals EMF' into a search engine,
        quite a lot of technical info comes up, in a lot of sites.

        here's one I found using google.
        http://www.google.com/search?
        q=cache:MzhnoJ67NewJ:www.ursi.org/Proceedings/ProcGA02/papers/p2236.pdf
        +ear+calcite+crystals+emf&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk
        Go down to the information on the ear.

        I was always wondered why some people on site get the hum in both
        ears, yet others like myself only get it in one, This made me think...
        well it cannot be some sudden occurance thoughout the whole body, or
        both ears would hear the hum.

        No, its definately a resonance situation, and that is not so easy to
        achieve or maintain in nature or technology, so most likely one ear
        would be affected before the other.

        I hope I am on the right track with this theory being the cause, as it
        does seem to fit the bill, so it would be good to have a scientist
        look at this theory more closely, and how the ear could be de-
        sensitised to the hum.
      • John Locke
        How does a hallway made out of wood and sheet rock make the sound louder if the Hum source is electromagnetic? This observation would tend to make me believe
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          How does a hallway made out of wood and sheet rock make the sound louder if the Hum source is electromagnetic? This observation would tend to make me believe the Hum source is acoustic.
           
           


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        • Selene
          What s under or behind the wood and sheetrock? Carole ... From: John Locke To: humforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:05 PM Subject:
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            What's under or behind the wood and sheetrock?
             
            Carole
             
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:05 PM
            Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: Swansea Hum

            How does a hallway made out of wood and sheet rock make the sound louder if the Hum source is electromagnetic? This observation would tend to make me believe the Hum source is acoustic.
             
             


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          • Artisrea1
            Hi Mack, I think you may be pretty much on track with your theory. I have thought that the pineal gland with calcite crystals along with our inner ear having
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              Hi Mack, I think you may be pretty much on track with your theory.  I have thought that the pineal gland with calcite crystals along with our inner ear having the same, were being affected by electromagnetic fields or pulsed microwaves from cell phones, etc.
               
              I had never heard the hum before in my life, before the 1st week of Sept. 1996, and I had lived here in this area for most of my life. Two things that may have figured into that is that the FCC act of 1995 went into effect allowing us to be bombarded by frequencies we had not been exposed to before.   Also at that time and my teenage daughter brought the first cell phone here.  I live in a rural area with no close neighbors, so what was going on had to be here at my place.  My daughter left for college with her cell phone, but the hum continued.  I spent none more years with it, thinking I was destined to probably hear it until  my death.   In 2005, after reading what Bill Curry posted  on his investigation about finding frequencies traveling down the power lines into some of the peoples
              homes that had the hum, it suddenly occurred to me that it could be the very way that this was coming into my home,as there was nothing else close to me out here, unless there may be some satellites that might be involved in some way I did not know about.
               
               I called my power company and they came out and helped me to move my transformer farther away from my house and put the filters ion to block the rf from coming in.  I have been almost completely hum free for over two and half years now, but my right ear which I heard it in the loudest, may have permanent  damage to it.  I plan to see a specialist on this out of this area sometimes in the near future, although my hearing is still very much above normal as it has always been, compared to the rest of my family there is a problem with reoccurring inflammation in it.  I never had that or an ear ache, or  infection in my ears before the onset of the hum.
               
              Regarding the octonia or the calcium calcite in our inner ears and that in the pineal gland, I do not think we should try to find ways to eliminate this.  I think  this is important to our being able to hear, balance  and sense things we need to. We are probably able to do this  due to our mammalian evolvement.  I think we should now be able to understand that we do not implement things into our environment that jeopardize our evolvement  unless we may in the future become more and more like a drone civilization.  I think we need all the senses we have evolved with instead of eliminating them, in order to face our problems head on into making the best future we are able to for ours and future civilizations. If we deserve to be here, they also should.  
               
               I wish the best for you and all of the hum hearers. 
               
              Sincerely, Anne
               

              > I think I might grow some calcite crystals Regards Dave

              Hi Dave, The calcite cyristal theory is quite complex, but it seems
              the simple conclusion, is that these crystals can be affected by
              electro-magnetic fields, and it is documented as such, in many papers.

              If you put keywords 'ear calcite crystals EMF' into a search engine,
              quite a lot of technical info comes up, in a lot of sites.

              here's one I found using google.
              http://www.google. com/search?
              q=cache:MzhnoJ67New J:www.ursi. org/Proceedings/ ProcGA02/ papers/p2236. pdf
              +ear+calcite+ crystals+ emf&hl=en& ct=clnk&cd= 2&gl=uk
              Go down to the information on the ear.

              I was always wondered why some people on site get the hum in both
              ears, yet others like myself only get it in one, This made me think...
              well it cannot be some sudden occurance thoughout the whole body, or
              both ears would hear the hum.

              No, its definately a resonance situation, and that is not so easy to
              achieve or maintain in nature or technology, so most likely one ear
              would be affected before the other.

              I hope I am on the right track with this theory being the cause, as it
              does seem to fit the bill, so it would be good to have a scientist
              look at this theory more closely, and how the ear could be de-
              sensitised to the hum.

            • Dave
              can you be more specific about what you asked the power company to do, and specifically what they did regarding said filters? Thanks, Dave ... From: Artisrea1
              Message 6 of 28 , Jan 17, 2008
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                can you be more specific about what you asked the power company to do, and specifically what they did regarding said filters? Thanks, Dave
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Artisrea1
                Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:01 PM
                Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: Swansea Hum

                Hi Mack, I think you may be pretty much on track with your theory.  I have thought that the pineal gland with calcite crystals along with our inner ear having the same, were being affected by electromagnetic fields or pulsed microwaves from cell phones, etc.
                 
                I had never heard the hum before in my life, before the 1st week of Sept. 1996, and I had lived here in this area for most of my life. Two things that may have figured into that is that the FCC act of 1995 went into effect allowing us to be bombarded by frequencies we had not been exposed to before.   Also at that time and my teenage daughter brought the first cell phone here.  I live in a rural area with no close neighbors, so what was going on had to be here at my place.  My daughter left for college with her cell phone, but the hum continued.  I spent none more years with it, thinking I was destined to probably hear it until  my death.   In 2005, after reading what Bill Curry posted  on his investigation about finding frequencies traveling down the power lines into some of the peoples
                homes that had the hum, it suddenly occurred to me that it could be the very way that this was coming into my home,as there was nothing else close to me out here, unless there may be some satellites that might be involved in some way I did not know about.
                 
                 I called my power company and they came out and helped me to move my transformer farther away from my house and put the filters ion to block the rf from coming in.  I have been almost completely hum free for over two and half years now, but my right ear which I heard it in the loudest, may have permanent  damage to it.  I plan to see a specialist on this out of this area sometimes in the near future, although my hearing is still very much above normal as it has always been, compared to the rest of my family there is a problem with reoccurring inflammation in it.  I never had that or an ear ache, or  infection in my ears before the onset of the hum.
                 
                Regarding the octonia or the calcium calcite in our inner ears and that in the pineal gland, I do not think we should try to find ways to eliminate this.  I think  this is important to our being able to hear, balance  and sense things we need to. We are probably able to do this  due to our mammalian evolvement.  I think we should now be able to understand that we do not implement things into our environment that jeopardize our evolvement  unless we may in the future become more and more like a drone civilization.  I think we need all the senses we have evolved with instead of eliminating them, in order to face our problems head on into making the best future we are able to for ours and future civilizations. If we deserve to be here, they also should.  
                 
                 I wish the best for you and all of the hum hearers. 
                 
                Sincerely, Anne
                 

                > I think I might grow some calcite crystals Regards Dave

                Hi Dave, The calcite cyristal theory is quite complex, but it seems
                the simple conclusion, is that these crystals can be affected by
                electro-magnetic fields, and it is documented as such, in many papers.

                If you put keywords 'ear calcite crystals EMF' into a search engine,
                quite a lot of technical info comes up, in a lot of sites.

                here's one I found using google.
                http://www.google. com/search?
                q=cache:MzhnoJ67New J:www.ursi. org/Proceedings/ ProcGA02/ papers/p2236. pdf
                +ear+calcite+ crystals+ emf&hl=en& ct=clnk&cd= 2&gl=uk
                Go down to the information on the ear.

                I was always wondered why some people on site get the hum in both
                ears, yet others like myself only get it in one, This made me think...
                well it cannot be some sudden occurance thoughout the whole body, or
                both ears would hear the hum.

                No, its definately a resonance situation, and that is not so easy to
                achieve or maintain in nature or technology, so most likely one ear
                would be affected before the other.

                I hope I am on the right track with this theory being the cause, as it
                does seem to fit the bill, so it would be good to have a scientist
                look at this theory more closely, and how the ear could be de-
                sensitised to the hum.

              • Artisrea1
                Hi Dave, I think I have explained it in message #9358, Nov. 12, 07. Let me know if there is something further you want to know about it. I will help if I
                Message 7 of 28 , Jan 18, 2008
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                  Hi Dave,
                   
                  I think I have explained it in message #9358, Nov. 12, 07.  Let me know if there is something further
                  you want to know about it.   I will help if I can, but the electric company took care of it for me and I did
                  not ask a lot of questions about it, as they assured me it would work as far as taking care of rf coming into my
                  home.  My power company is a rural electric coop. company.  They may operate differently on things of
                  this nature.  I really don't know.   Anne
                   
                   

                  can you be more specific about what you asked the power company to do, and specifically what they did regarding said filters? Thanks, Dave
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Artisrea1
                  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:01 PM
                  Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: Swansea Hum

                  Hi Mack, I think you may be pretty much on track with your theory.  I have thought that the pineal gland with calcite crystals along with our inner ear having the same, were being affected by electromagnetic fields or pulsed microwaves from cell phones, etc.
                   
                  I had never heard the hum before in my life, before the 1st week of Sept. 1996, and I had lived here in this area for most of my life. Two things that may have figured into that is that the FCC act of 1995 went into effect allowing us to be bombarded by frequencies we had not been exposed to before.   Also at that time and my teenage daughter brought the first cell phone here.  I live in a rural area with no close neighbors, so what was going on had to be here at my place.  My daughter left for college with her cell phone, but the hum continued.  I spent none more years with it, thinking I was destined to probably hear it until  my death.   In 2005, after reading what Bill Curry posted  on his investigation about finding frequencies traveling down the power lines into some of the peoples
                  homes that had the hum, it suddenly occurred to me that it could be the very way that this was coming into my home,as there was nothing else close to me out here, unless there may be some satellites that might be involved in some way I did not know about.
                   
                   I called my power company and they came out and helped me to move my transformer farther away from my house and put the filters ion to block the rf from coming in.  I have been almost completely hum free for over two and half years now, but my right ear which I heard it in the loudest, may have permanent  damage to it.  I plan to see a specialist on this out of this area sometimes in the near future, although my hearing is still very much above normal as it has always been, compared to the rest of my family there is a problem with reoccurring inflammation in it.  I never had that or an ear ache, or  infection in my ears before the onset of the hum.
                   
                  Regarding the octonia or the calcium calcite in our inner ears and that in the pineal gland, I do not think we should try to find ways to eliminate this.  I think  this is important to our being able to hear, balance  and sense things we need to. We are probably able to do this  due to our mammalian evolvement.  I think we should now be able to understand that we do not implement things into our environment that jeopardize our evolvement  unless we may in the future become more and more like a drone civilization.  I think we need all the senses we have evolved with instead of eliminating them, in order to face our problems head on into making the best future we are able to for ours and future civilizations. If we deserve to be here, they also should.  
                   
                   I wish the best for you and all of the hum hearers. 
                   
                  Sincerely, Anne
                   

                  > I think I might grow some calcite crystals Regards Dave

                  Hi Dave, The calcite cyristal theory is quite complex, but it seems
                  the simple conclusion, is that these crystals can be affected by
                  electro-magnetic fields, and it is documented as such, in many papers.

                  If you put keywords 'ear calcite crystals EMF' into a search engine,
                  quite a lot of technical info comes up, in a lot of sites.

                  here's one I found using google.
                  http://www.google. com/search?
                  q=cache:MzhnoJ67New J:www.ursi. org/Proceedings/ ProcGA02/ papers/p2236. pdf
                  +ear+calcite+ crystals+ emf&hl=en& ct=clnk&cd= 2&gl=uk
                  Go down to the information on the ear.

                  I was always wondered why some people on site get the hum in both
                  ears, yet others like myself only get it in one, This made me think...
                  well it cannot be some sudden occurance thoughout the whole body, or
                  both ears would hear the hum.

                  No, its definately a resonance situation, and that is not so easy to
                  achieve or maintain in nature or technology, so most likely one ear
                  would be affected before the other.

                  I hope I am on the right track with this theory being the cause, as it
                  does seem to fit the bill, so it would be good to have a scientist
                  look at this theory more closely, and how the ear could be de-
                  sensitised to the hum.

                • mack_colin
                  Why does EM fields amplify in a house and the sound is dependant on room size and shape? Well I am not an expert at EMF fields, though I am an electrical
                  Message 8 of 28 , Jan 18, 2008
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                    Why does EM fields amplify in a house and the 'sound'is dependant on
                    room size and shape?

                    Well I am not an expert at EMF fields, though I am an electrical
                    engineer, and well know the dangers of working and living too close to
                    high energy electrical equipment, like High Voltage overhead cables,
                    High Voltage transformers, and also the dreaded mobile phone base
                    stations.

                    I have been doing some reading on EMF screening products, like
                    curtains , conductive paints & wallpaper for households (you can
                    search the web yourself on this) and they explain that when EM fields
                    get into a house, the EM radiation which does leak in will be
                    reflected by the inner surface of the house (walls), effectively
                    amplifying the amount of EM radiation in the room.

                    Hence the amount of reflectivity due to the size and shape of the
                    room, corridor, etc, will amplifiy it more.

                    Also, and this is interesting, an interior room within the house (away
                    from outside walls), like a long corridor, may actually be the
                    noisiest room in the house, due to its specific shape.
                  • Curry Cook
                    can anyone explain why i hear the hum in every room in my house except one? i ve never heard it in the room where i keep the computer. i spend a lot of time
                    Message 9 of 28 , Jan 18, 2008
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                      can anyone explain why i hear the hum in every room in
                      my house except one? i've never heard it in the room
                      where i keep the computer. i spend a lot of time in
                      there because i like playing with the computer, and
                      because i love the silence.



                      --- mack_colin <mack_colin@...> wrote:

                      > Why does EM fields amplify in a house and the
                      > 'sound'is dependant on
                      > room size and shape?
                      >
                      > Well I am not an expert at EMF fields, though I am
                      > an electrical
                      > engineer, and well know the dangers of working and
                      > living too close to
                      > high energy electrical equipment, like High Voltage
                      > overhead cables,
                      > High Voltage transformers, and also the dreaded
                      > mobile phone base
                      > stations.
                      >
                      > I have been doing some reading on EMF screening
                      > products, like
                      > curtains , conductive paints & wallpaper for
                      > households (you can
                      > search the web yourself on this) and they explain
                      > that when EM fields
                      > get into a house, the EM radiation which does leak
                      > in will be
                      > reflected by the inner surface of the house (walls),
                      > effectively
                      > amplifying the amount of EM radiation in the room.
                      >
                      > Hence the amount of reflectivity due to the size and
                      > shape of the
                      > room, corridor, etc, will amplifiy it more.
                      >
                      > Also, and this is interesting, an interior room
                      > within the house (away
                      > from outside walls), like a long corridor, may
                      > actually be the
                      > noisiest room in the house, due to its specific
                      > shape.
                      >
                      >



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                    • Dave at Yaahoo
                      Well, some natural questions which follow are: 1) Does the computer (or anything else in that room) create an ambient noise which might be masking the Hum? 2)
                      Message 10 of 28 , Jan 18, 2008
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                        Well, some natural questions which follow are:

                        1) Does the computer (or anything else in that room) create an
                        ambient noise which might be masking the Hum?

                        2) Is the Hum still absent even if you power-off everything in
                        that room?

                        3) Is there anything different about what's UNDER that room,
                        compared to what might be under other rooms where you here
                        the Hum? (basement? no basement? concrete slab? etc.?)

                        -dave



                        --- Curry Cook <vabinky@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > can anyone explain why i hear the hum in every room in
                        > my house except one? i've never heard it in the room
                        > where i keep the computer. i spend a lot of time in
                        > there because i like playing with the computer, and
                        > because i love the silence.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- mack_colin <mack_colin@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > Why does EM fields amplify in a house and the
                        > > 'sound'is dependant on
                        > > room size and shape?
                        > >
                        > > Well I am not an expert at EMF fields, though I am
                        > > an electrical
                        > > engineer, and well know the dangers of working and
                        > > living too close to
                        > > high energy electrical equipment, like High Voltage
                        > > overhead cables,
                        > > High Voltage transformers, and also the dreaded
                        > > mobile phone base
                        > > stations.
                        > >
                        > > I have been doing some reading on EMF screening
                        > > products, like
                        > > curtains , conductive paints & wallpaper for
                        > > households (you can
                        > > search the web yourself on this) and they explain
                        > > that when EM fields
                        > > get into a house, the EM radiation which does leak
                        > > in will be
                        > > reflected by the inner surface of the house (walls),
                        > > effectively
                        > > amplifying the amount of EM radiation in the room.
                        > >
                        > > Hence the amount of reflectivity due to the size and
                        > > shape of the
                        > > room, corridor, etc, will amplifiy it more.
                        > >
                        > > Also, and this is interesting, an interior room
                        > > within the house (away
                        > > from outside walls), like a long corridor, may
                        > > actually be the
                        > > noisiest room in the house, due to its specific
                        > > shape.
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                      • Curry Cook
                        the computer is frequently off and there s no difference. as far as i know, there s nothing different about that room. the windows face north, as they do in
                        Message 11 of 28 , Jan 18, 2008
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                          the computer is frequently off and there's no
                          difference. as far as i know, there's nothing
                          different about that room. the windows face north, as
                          they do in a couple of other rooms in the house. the
                          whole house is on a slab. i notice the silence every
                          time i come in here. my husband, who has never heard
                          the hum and thinks i'm nuts, doesn't notice anything
                          different about this room. i have a neighbor who
                          hears the hum, i should ask her to come in here and
                          see if she thinks it's silent in this room.


                          --- Dave at Yaahoo <ddrinnan@...> wrote:

                          > Well, some natural questions which follow are:
                          >
                          > 1) Does the computer (or anything else in that room)
                          > create an
                          > ambient noise which might be masking the Hum?
                          >
                          > 2) Is the Hum still absent even if you power-off
                          > everything in
                          > that room?
                          >
                          > 3) Is there anything different about what's UNDER
                          > that room,
                          > compared to what might be under other rooms where
                          > you here
                          > the Hum? (basement? no basement? concrete
                          > slab? etc.?)
                          >
                          > -dave
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- Curry Cook <vabinky@...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > can anyone explain why i hear the hum in every
                          > room in
                          > > my house except one? i've never heard it in the
                          > room
                          > > where i keep the computer. i spend a lot of time
                          > in
                          > > there because i like playing with the computer,
                          > and
                          > > because i love the silence.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- mack_colin <mack_colin@...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > Why does EM fields amplify in a house and the
                          > > > 'sound'is dependant on
                          > > > room size and shape?
                          > > >
                          > > > Well I am not an expert at EMF fields, though I
                          > am
                          > > > an electrical
                          > > > engineer, and well know the dangers of working
                          > and
                          > > > living too close to
                          > > > high energy electrical equipment, like High
                          > Voltage
                          > > > overhead cables,
                          > > > High Voltage transformers, and also the dreaded
                          > > > mobile phone base
                          > > > stations.
                          > > >
                          > > > I have been doing some reading on EMF screening
                          > > > products, like
                          > > > curtains , conductive paints & wallpaper for
                          > > > households (you can
                          > > > search the web yourself on this) and they
                          > explain
                          > > > that when EM fields
                          > > > get into a house, the EM radiation which does
                          > leak
                          > > > in will be
                          > > > reflected by the inner surface of the house
                          > (walls),
                          > > > effectively
                          > > > amplifying the amount of EM radiation in the
                          > room.
                          > > >
                          > > > Hence the amount of reflectivity due to the size
                          > and
                          > > > shape of the
                          > > > room, corridor, etc, will amplifiy it more.
                          > > >
                          > > > Also, and this is interesting, an interior room
                          > > > within the house (away
                          > > > from outside walls), like a long corridor, may
                          > > > actually be the
                          > > > noisiest room in the house, due to its specific
                          > > > shape.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
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                          > > 2. The following are not allowed: personal
                          > attacks, gratuitous
                          > > profanity, "kook" posts, and supernatural
                          > explanations.
                          > > 3. Limit posts to those that are necessary and
                          > have substantive
                          > > content. In general, no more than three per
                          > person per day.
                          > > 4. If you hear the Hum, please post your location
                          > at:
                          > > www.frappr.com/humhearers
                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
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                        • mack_colin
                          ... I wish you knew why, you could then give us all the solution to make a quiet room. Must be something to do with the wall materials to stop amplification ?
                          Message 12 of 28 , Jan 19, 2008
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                            --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Curry Cook <vabinky@...> wrote:
                            >> can anyone explain why i hear the hum in every room in
                            > my house except one?

                            I wish you knew why, you could then give us all the solution to make
                            a quiet room. Must be something to do with the wall materials to
                            stop amplification ?

                            I have lived in quite a number of holiday houses, since getting
                            getting the hum three years ago, and the quietest was on the third
                            floor of a four story block of flats in the Lake District, Northern
                            England, that was built of massive concrete slabs, for walls roof
                            and floor. (I rent it every year at different times, and its always
                            quieter than anywhere else).

                            The hum was still present but quiet through the air in the flat, but
                            could still be heard slightly when my head was on a sleeping pillow.

                            Yet the worst experience of intense hum I ever had was in a 60 foot
                            static holiday metal sheet caravan in the same lake District town, I
                            had to throw myself outside the door at 3AM to get away from the
                            hum.

                            My conclusion is that a house made of tenting material would be the
                            answer, as it would be just like living outdoors, no hum, ha , ha.
                            Idea.... Live in a tent in my backgarden for the summer !
                          • ALM
                            I hear it just fine in tents. Arne ________________________________ From: humforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mack_colin
                            Message 13 of 28 , Jan 19, 2008
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                              RE: HUM_FORUM: Re: Swansea Hum

                              I hear it just fine in tents.


                              Arne

                              ________________________________

                              From: humforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mack_colin

                              ...My conclusion is that a house made of tenting material would be the
                              answer, as it would be just like living outdoors, no hum, ha , ha.
                              Idea.... Live in a tent in my backgarden for the summer !

                            • John Locke
                              I hear it just fine outside in the frontyard or the backyard, tent or no tent! Louder inside the house, which I suppose the house filters out the higher
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                                I hear it just fine outside in the frontyard or the backyard, tent or no tent!  Louder inside the house, which I suppose the house filters out the higher frequencies and lets the lower ones right through. Rooms with a window, Hum is louder. If one room is louder or softer, it could also be how the waves hit certain nodes. Oh, yeah, did I say that my girlfriend has severe hearing damage? She doesn't hear the Hum, but can feel it in her bed. Interesting, huh?


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                              • coatesmargaret
                                Hi Mack, There was discussion about room sizes and the hum a couple of years ago. I think it was called room mode. If I remember, it wasn t EM but acoustic
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                                  Hi Mack,

                                  There was discussion about room sizes and the hum a couple of years ago. I think it was
                                  called room mode. If I remember, it wasn't EM but acoustic sound that was affected by
                                  room size. I don't recall whether it was speculation or proven and I can't find the
                                  references. Cheers Maggie


                                  --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "mack_colin" <mack_colin@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Why does EM fields amplify in a house and the 'sound'is dependant on
                                  > room size and shape?
                                  >
                                  > Well I am not an expert at EMF fields, though I am an electrical
                                  > engineer, and well know the dangers of working and living too close to
                                  > high energy electrical equipment, like High Voltage overhead cables,
                                  > High Voltage transformers, and also the dreaded mobile phone base
                                  > stations.
                                  >
                                  > I have been doing some reading on EMF screening products, like
                                  > curtains , conductive paints & wallpaper for households (you can
                                  > search the web yourself on this) and they explain that when EM fields
                                  > get into a house, the EM radiation which does leak in will be
                                  > reflected by the inner surface of the house (walls), effectively
                                  > amplifying the amount of EM radiation in the room.
                                  >
                                  > Hence the amount of reflectivity due to the size and shape of the
                                  > room, corridor, etc, will amplifiy it more.
                                  >
                                  > Also, and this is interesting, an interior room within the house (away
                                  > from outside walls), like a long corridor, may actually be the
                                  > noisiest room in the house, due to its specific shape.
                                  >
                                • Ken Smith
                                  There was discussion on fireplace hum back on Dec 2006. This is where Al had a hum in his fire place and a wall and later found it to be a disk drive that was
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                                    There was discussion on fireplace hum back on Dec 2006. This is where
                                    Al had a hum in his fire place and a wall and later found it to be a
                                    disk drive that was causing it.

                                    Ken Smith

                                    --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "coatesmargaret" <coatesmargaret@...>
                                    wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Hi Mack,
                                    >
                                    > There was discussion about room sizes and the hum a couple of years
                                    ago. I think it was
                                    > called room mode. If I remember, it wasn't EM but acoustic sound
                                    that was affected by
                                    > room size. I don't recall whether it was speculation or proven and
                                    I can't find the
                                    > references. Cheers Maggie
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "mack_colin" <mack_colin@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Why does EM fields amplify in a house and the 'sound'is dependant on
                                    > > room size and shape?
                                    > >
                                    > > Well I am not an expert at EMF fields, though I am an electrical
                                    > > engineer, and well know the dangers of working and living too
                                    close to
                                    > > high energy electrical equipment, like High Voltage overhead cables,
                                    > > High Voltage transformers, and also the dreaded mobile phone base
                                    > > stations.
                                    > >
                                    > > I have been doing some reading on EMF screening products, like
                                    > > curtains , conductive paints & wallpaper for households (you can
                                    > > search the web yourself on this) and they explain that when EM fields
                                    > > get into a house, the EM radiation which does leak in will be
                                    > > reflected by the inner surface of the house (walls), effectively
                                    > > amplifying the amount of EM radiation in the room.
                                    > >
                                    > > Hence the amount of reflectivity due to the size and shape of the
                                    > > room, corridor, etc, will amplifiy it more.
                                    > >
                                    > > Also, and this is interesting, an interior room within the house
                                    (away
                                    > > from outside walls), like a long corridor, may actually be the
                                    > > noisiest room in the house, due to its specific shape.
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • Dave
                                    Two questions: 1. Any Chicago people out there who hear it? I am close to the TARP, Deep Tunnel channel, can t seem to find out if and where there are any
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                                      Two questions:
                                       
                                      1.  Any Chicago people out there who hear it? I am close to the TARP, Deep Tunnel channel, can't seem to find out if and where there are any pumps or other equipment that might be causing this hum.
                                       
                                      2.  I find the hum is much more bothersome and audible when the temperature is approximately between 45 and 75 degrees Farenheit. When it is very hot outside I don't hear it as much. Or I hear it but not to the point where it vibrates my head out of a deep sleep. Same goes for very cold temps, i.e. now 12 degrees in Chicago.
                                       
                                      Anyone else find a variance based on temperature? Thank you, Dave
                                       
                                       
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: Artisrea1
                                      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:01 PM
                                      Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: Swansea Hum

                                      Hi Mack, I think you may be pretty much on track with your theory.  I have thought that the pineal gland with calcite crystals along with our inner ear having the same, were being affected by electromagnetic fields or pulsed microwaves from cell phones, etc.
                                       
                                      I had never heard the hum before in my life, before the 1st week of Sept. 1996, and I had lived here in this area for most of my life. Two things that may have figured into that is that the FCC act of 1995 went into effect allowing us to be bombarded by frequencies we had not been exposed to before.   Also at that time and my teenage daughter brought the first cell phone here.  I live in a rural area with no close neighbors, so what was going on had to be here at my place.  My daughter left for college with her cell phone, but the hum continued.  I spent none more years with it, thinking I was destined to probably hear it until  my death.   In 2005, after reading what Bill Curry posted  on his investigation about finding frequencies traveling down the power lines into some of the peoples
                                      homes that had the hum, it suddenly occurred to me that it could be the very way that this was coming into my home,as there was nothing else close to me out here, unless there may be some satellites that might be involved in some way I did not know about.
                                       
                                       I called my power company and they came out and helped me to move my transformer farther away from my house and put the filters ion to block the rf from coming in.  I have been almost completely hum free for over two and half years now, but my right ear which I heard it in the loudest, may have permanent  damage to it.  I plan to see a specialist on this out of this area sometimes in the near future, although my hearing is still very much above normal as it has always been, compared to the rest of my family there is a problem with reoccurring inflammation in it.  I never had that or an ear ache, or  infection in my ears before the onset of the hum.
                                       
                                      Regarding the octonia or the calcium calcite in our inner ears and that in the pineal gland, I do not think we should try to find ways to eliminate this.  I think  this is important to our being able to hear, balance  and sense things we need to. We are probably able to do this  due to our mammalian evolvement.  I think we should now be able to understand that we do not implement things into our environment that jeopardize our evolvement  unless we may in the future become more and more like a drone civilization.  I think we need all the senses we have evolved with instead of eliminating them, in order to face our problems head on into making the best future we are able to for ours and future civilizations. If we deserve to be here, they also should.  
                                       
                                       I wish the best for you and all of the hum hearers. 
                                       
                                      Sincerely, Anne
                                       

                                      > I think I might grow some calcite crystals Regards Dave

                                      Hi Dave, The calcite cyristal theory is quite complex, but it seems
                                      the simple conclusion, is that these crystals can be affected by
                                      electro-magnetic fields, and it is documented as such, in many papers.

                                      If you put keywords 'ear calcite crystals EMF' into a search engine,
                                      quite a lot of technical info comes up, in a lot of sites.

                                      here's one I found using google.
                                      http://www.google. com/search?
                                      q=cache:MzhnoJ67New J:www.ursi. org/Proceedings/ ProcGA02/ papers/p2236. pdf
                                      +ear+calcite+ crystals+ emf&hl=en& ct=clnk&cd= 2&gl=uk
                                      Go down to the information on the ear.

                                      I was always wondered why some people on site get the hum in both
                                      ears, yet others like myself only get it in one, This made me think...
                                      well it cannot be some sudden occurance thoughout the whole body, or
                                      both ears would hear the hum.

                                      No, its definately a resonance situation, and that is not so easy to
                                      achieve or maintain in nature or technology, so most likely one ear
                                      would be affected before the other.

                                      I hope I am on the right track with this theory being the cause, as it
                                      does seem to fit the bill, so it would be good to have a scientist
                                      look at this theory more closely, and how the ear could be de-
                                      sensitised to the hum.

                                    • ALM
                                      Yes. I seldom hear my hum in the summer, but I believe it s due to more background noise. I do hear it routinely inside (and in the wilderness) when there is
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                                        RE: HUM_FORUM: Temperature variation and the hum

                                        Yes.  I seldom hear my hum in the summer, but I believe it's due to more background noise.  I do hear it routinely inside (and in the wilderness) when there is little or no background noise (fans, traffic, wind, trees rustling, etc.)


                                        Arne
                                        Central MN USA

                                        ________________________________

                                        From: humforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave


                                        Anyone else find a variance based on temperature? Thank you, Dave

                                      • John Locke
                                        Well, regarding temperature and the Hum. I have noticed for the past few years the Hum mostly in the spring and the fall. Really not in the summer and not
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Jan 24, 2008
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                                          Well, regarding temperature and the Hum. I have noticed for the past few years the Hum mostly in the spring and the fall. Really not in the summer and not really in the winter, except for this winter. This winter has been troublesome for me. I have noticed the Hum at temperatures below freezing. It may be a complex dynamic of temperature, humidity, background noise, and who knows what, that affects the Hum. I do notice that wind speed affects it. Windy and stormy days seem to reduce the Hum. Perhaps due to wind noise or perhaps due to the pressure gradient somehow altering the sound waves. My theory is an acoustic wave near or in the sub audible range, generated by either a mechanical source or in some manner an electronic source. I think also terrain affects it. 


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                                        • Dave
                                          yes, there are approximately 10 weeks in the Spring starting around the second week of March and them 10 or so weeks in the Autumn starting around October
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Jan 24, 2008
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                                            yes, there are approximately 10 weeks in the Spring starting around the second week of March and them 10 or so weeks in the Autumn starting around October where the hum is unbearable. It is audible but not as debilitating in the summer and winter, typically. I still need to get that directional mic just for my own curiosity. Been so busy with baby and elderly care matters.....
                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:18 AM
                                            Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: Temperature variation and the hum

                                            Well, regarding temperature and the Hum. I have noticed for the past few years the Hum mostly in the spring and the fall. Really not in the summer and not really in the winter, except for this winter. This winter has been troublesome for me. I have noticed the Hum at temperatures below freezing. It may be a complex dynamic of temperature, humidity, background noise, and who knows what, that affects the Hum. I do notice that wind speed affects it. Windy and stormy days seem to reduce the Hum. Perhaps due to wind noise or perhaps due to the pressure gradient somehow altering the sound waves. My theory is an acoustic wave near or in the sub audible range, generated by either a mechanical source or in some manner an electronic source. I think also terrain affects it. 


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                                          • kallio_mn
                                            One of the great things about winter here in the American Tundra (Minnesota) is that every so often you get some *really* cold weather. It brings out the old
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Jan 24, 2008
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                                              One of the great things about winter here in the American Tundra
                                              (Minnesota) is that every so often you get some *really* cold weather.
                                              It brings out the old pioneer spirit. This morning, the air temp in our
                                              coldest town in Northern Minnesota was -39 F. In my backyard, it was -
                                              21F. But then I am in the more balmy northern suburbs of the
                                              Minneapolis/St Paul.

                                              Those afflicted with cold weather know some of this: Snow starts to
                                              squeak in the low single digits, and below zero, sound carries
                                              incredibly well. The cold improves the mechanics of sound propagation.
                                              You know what TV channel your neighbor 3 houses over is watching.

                                              If the Hum were acoustic, you would think it would increase in
                                              intensity. But so does the background noise. Everything carries. But
                                              if you were standing on one of those frozen wilderness lakes, there
                                              would be zero background noise. It would be interesting to know what
                                              Hum perceptions that would produce.

                                              For me, the Hum has not been as noticeable these last few weeks. Cold
                                              or not.

                                              Kallio

                                              Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

                                              --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <diamdave@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > yes, there are approximately 10 weeks in the Spring starting around
                                              the second week of March and them 10 or so weeks in the Autumn starting
                                              around October where the hum is unbearable. It is audible but not as
                                              debilitating in the summer and winter, typically. I still need to get
                                              that directional mic just for my own curiosity. Been so busy with baby
                                              and elderly care matters.....
                                              > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > From: John Locke
                                              > To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:18 AM
                                              > Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: Temperature variation and the hum
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Well, regarding temperature and the Hum. I have noticed for the past
                                              few years the Hum mostly in the spring and the fall. Really not in the
                                              summer and not really in the winter, except for this winter. This winter
                                              has been troublesome for me. I have noticed the Hum at temperatures
                                              below freezing. It may be a complex dynamic of temperature, humidity,
                                              background noise, and who knows what, that affects the Hum. I do notice
                                              that wind speed affects it. Windy and stormy days seem to reduce the
                                              Hum. Perhaps due to wind noise or perhaps due to the pressure gradient
                                              somehow altering the sound waves. My theory is an acoustic wave near or
                                              in the sub audible range, generated by either a mechanical source or in
                                              some manner an electronic source. I think also terrain affects it.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
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                                            • Dave
                                              Hey, Kallio, Now in Chicago, but originally from Golden Valley, I know exactly what you mean. ... From: kallio_mn To: humforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday,
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Jan 24, 2008
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                                                Hey, Kallio,
                                                Now in Chicago, but originally from Golden Valley, I know exactly what you mean.
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: kallio_mn
                                                Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:51 PM
                                                Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: Temperature variation and the hum


                                                One of the great things about winter here in the American Tundra
                                                (Minnesota) is that every so often you get some *really* cold weather.
                                                It brings out the old pioneer spirit. This morning, the air temp in our
                                                coldest town in Northern Minnesota was -39 F. In my backyard, it was -
                                                21F. But then I am in the more balmy northern suburbs of the
                                                Minneapolis/ St Paul.

                                                Those afflicted with cold weather know some of this: Snow starts to
                                                squeak in the low single digits, and below zero, sound carries
                                                incredibly well. The cold improves the mechanics of sound propagation.
                                                You know what TV channel your neighbor 3 houses over is watching.

                                                If the Hum were acoustic, you would think it would increase in
                                                intensity. But so does the background noise. Everything carries. But
                                                if you were standing on one of those frozen wilderness lakes, there
                                                would be zero background noise. It would be interesting to know what
                                                Hum perceptions that would produce.

                                                For me, the Hum has not been as noticeable these last few weeks. Cold
                                                or not.

                                                Kallio

                                                Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

                                                --- In humforum@yahoogroup s.com, "Dave" <diamdave@.. .> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > yes, there are approximately 10 weeks in the Spring starting around
                                                the second week of March and them 10 or so weeks in the Autumn starting
                                                around October where the hum is unbearable. It is audible but not as
                                                debilitating in the summer and winter, typically. I still need to get
                                                that directional mic just for my own curiosity. Been so busy with baby
                                                and elderly care matters.....
                                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > From: John Locke
                                                > To: humforum@yahoogroup s.com
                                                > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:18 AM
                                                > Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: Temperature variation and the hum
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Well, regarding temperature and the Hum. I have noticed for the past
                                                few years the Hum mostly in the spring and the fall. Really not in the
                                                summer and not really in the winter, except for this winter. This winter
                                                has been troublesome for me. I have noticed the Hum at temperatures
                                                below freezing. It may be a complex dynamic of temperature, humidity,
                                                background noise, and who knows what, that affects the Hum. I do notice
                                                that wind speed affects it. Windy and stormy days seem to reduce the
                                                Hum. Perhaps due to wind noise or perhaps due to the pressure gradient
                                                somehow altering the sound waves. My theory is an acoustic wave near or
                                                in the sub audible range, generated by either a mechanical source or in
                                                some manner an electronic source. I think also terrain affects it.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
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                                              • Paul Trueman
                                                The Hum can be blocked by wearing ear defenders and a gum shield (it cannot be blocked by ear defenders alone). I expect earplugs would also work with a gum
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                                                  The Hum can be blocked by wearing ear defenders and a gum shield (it
                                                  cannot be blocked by ear defenders alone). I expect earplugs would
                                                  also work with a gum shield. On the face of it, this suggests the Hum
                                                  is acoustic, but I already know that sound meters cannot detect it
                                                  even though they can easily detect a very similar and even a much
                                                  quieter sound produced by an audio system. So that's a real mystery.
                                                  I'll try to find out what ear defenders and a gumshield might block
                                                  in addition to sound waves. I'm sure they block infrared and
                                                  obviously they block visible light but other than that I don't know.
                                                  I can hear the Hum when I wear either a gumsheild or ear defenders but
                                                  I can't hear it at all if I wear both together. As far as I'm aware,
                                                  nobody else has any other means to block it that works.

                                                  Apparently trying to cancel the Hum out with an otherwise identical
                                                  sounding tone of oppositve phase would be difficult but I'm going to
                                                  try that sometime. Opposite phase in effect means that the crest of
                                                  one waves coincides with the trough of the other so that they cancel
                                                  out. The problem is if you do this, you might find there are regions
                                                  in your home where the phase relationship changes so that the result
                                                  is even worse noise than you started with. So you'd be left with
                                                  having to wear headphones, in which case you may as well wear ear
                                                  defenders.
                                                • Paul Trueman
                                                  I hear it outdoors but its seldom noticeable outdoors because the noise of the wind and cars masks it. It s easy to hear it outdoors if you go out in the
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                                                    I hear it outdoors but its seldom noticeable outdoors because the
                                                    noise of the wind and cars masks it. It's easy to hear it outdoors if
                                                    you go out in the middle of the night when there's no wind. Even so,
                                                    it sounds quieter outdoors. I would never bother me if it sounded
                                                    the same indoors as it does outdoors.
                                                  • ewraven1@sympatico.ca
                                                    To: humforum@yahoogroups.com From: Paul Trueman Date sent: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:53:58 -0000 Subject:
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , Feb 5, 2008
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                                                      To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                                      From: "Paul Trueman" <paultrue1966@...>
                                                      Date sent: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:53:58 -0000
                                                      Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: Swansea Hum
                                                      Send reply to: humforum@yahoogroups.com

                                                      >The Hum can be blocked by wearing ear defenders and a gum shield (it
                                                      >cannot be blocked by ear defenders alone). I expect earplugs would
                                                      >also work with a gum shield. On the face of it, this suggests the Hum
                                                      >is acoustic, but I already know that sound meters cannot detect it
                                                      >even though they can easily detect a very similar and even a much
                                                      >quieter sound produced by an audio system. So that's a real mystery.

                                                      Remember that there are also people who
                                                      experience vibration of body parts and
                                                      objects which can't be explained by sound,
                                                      yet do not hear the common 'idling vehicle'
                                                      Hum.

                                                      It's possible that some skull parts or tissue,
                                                      teeth, what have you, are being vibrated
                                                      to produce the hum sound. If that is so,
                                                      a sound meter in the air may not be able
                                                      to pick it up.

                                                      However, a sound meter mic or mic element
                                                      in contact with the teeth might.

                                                      Eleanor White
                                                      Hamilton, Ontario
                                                      Canada
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