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  • xyzxyz12311@ymail.com
    This is the link Patti was trying to give us http://socialscientist.us/nphs/psychIB/psychpdfs/PIP_Auditory_Perception.pdf
    Message 1 of 29 , Aug 6, 2013
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      This is the link Patti was trying to give us


      http://socialscientist.us/nphs/psychIB/psychpdfs/PIP_Auditory_Perception.pdf

      --------------------------------------------

      --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "patty94@..." <patty94@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Gaylor" <marygaylor168@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi Lidia,
      > >
      > > You say about the hum being louder when you stop the car engine....this is a common thing reported by people who can hear this, I read it is because the car is metal and metal amplifys radio frequencies.
      > >
      > > http://www.magdahavas.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/DontStandinFrontoftheMicrowave.pdf
      > >
      > > I have only just gotten around to watching RESONANCE, BEINGS OF FREQUENCY..a documentary film...it's on YouTube. For anyone who hasn't watched it I would say it's one of the must watch films with relation to the hum.
      > >
      > > This a link to my hum diary thread on a forum which is not specifically aimed at the hum, but it saved my life and my diary has now become worth it's weight in gold...
      > >
      > > http://www.noisyneighbours.net/forum/post/28792/#p28792
      > >
      > > There are two other threads, I'm Torment1.
      > >
      > Hi Lidia; I found a paper worth its' wait in gold for our circumstance. Written by Christopher J. Plack, Auditory Perception, http://socialscientist.us/nphs/psychIB/psychpdfs/PIP-Auditory-Perception.pdf because I do know it is a perception and this paper explains concisely how we percieve from sound to neuronal activity that makes it possible to connect with the brain.
      > Patty
      >
    • patty94@ymail.com
      Message 2 of 29 , Aug 9, 2013
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        --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "xyzxyz12311@..." <xyzxyz12311@...> wrote:
        >
        > This is the link Patti was trying to give us
        >
        >Thank you xyz
        > http://socialscientist.us/nphs/psychIB/psychpdfs/PIP_Auditory_Perception.pdf
        >
        > --------------------------------------------
        >
        > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "patty94@" <patty94@> wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Gaylor" <marygaylor168@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Hi Lidia,
        > > >
        > > > You say about the hum being louder when you stop the car engine....this is a common thing reported by people who can hear this, I read it is because the car is metal and metal amplifys radio frequencies.
        > > >
        > > > http://www.magdahavas.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/DontStandinFrontoftheMicrowave.pdf
        > > >
        > > > I have only just gotten around to watching RESONANCE, BEINGS OF FREQUENCY..a documentary film...it's on YouTube. For anyone who hasn't watched it I would say it's one of the must watch films with relation to the hum.
        > > >
        > > > This a link to my hum diary thread on a forum which is not specifically aimed at the hum, but it saved my life and my diary has now become worth it's weight in gold...
        > > >
        > > > http://www.noisyneighbours.net/forum/post/28792/#p28792
        > > >
        > > > There are two other threads, I'm Torment1.
        > > >
        > > Hi Lidia; I found a paper worth its' wait in gold for our circumstance. Written by Christopher J. Plack, Auditory Perception, http://socialscientist.us/nphs/psychIB/psychpdfs/PIP-Auditory-Perception.pdf because I do know it is a perception and this paper explains concisely how we percieve from sound to neuronal activity that makes it possible to connect with the brain.
        > > Patty
        > >
        >
      • patty94@ymail.com
        ... Hi lidia; I think someone corrected the address for the paper. It gives a concise describtion of auditory perception. I looked up the MEM and found a
        Message 3 of 29 , Aug 9, 2013
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          --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "lidia1313" <lidia1313@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi, Mary and Patty,
          >
          > I have also searched on the way we hear the sounds and have found these
          > two very interesting papers. The links are here:
          > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar11/articles/how-the-ear-works.htm
          > and
          > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3629860/
          > The second paper explains in details the myogenic tinnitus and middle
          > ear myoclonus. It is very comprehensive and also describes the symptoms
          > when the discussed above muscles are disfunctional. Here is an exceprt
          > on how the muscle works:
          >
          >
          > The mechanical oscillators that effect physiologic tremor may play an
          > important role in some cases of MEM tinnitus. Mechanical systems such
          > as a mass and spring oscillate with a frequency described by the
          > formula
          > [equation image] where ω is oscillatory frequency, κ is the
          > stiffness of the spring, and Ι is the inertia of the mass. A
          > muscle is a mechanical system analogous to a mass and spring, and when
          > such a system is perturbed, it will oscillate at its resonant
          > frequency. Such oscillation is a property of all muscles in the body
          > and the cause of physiologic tremor.
          >
          > Maybe this is the reason of why we hear the Hum louder when the car
          > stops, like a string of a guitar which has been pulled to the maximum
          > (when the car moves) and then suddenly relesased.
          >
          > I do have some of the described in the paper MEM symptoms (those
          > underlined): of throbbing, tapping, crackling like a grasshopper,
          > bubbling, ticking, twitching, blowing, drum-like thumping, fluttering
          > like a butterfly, whooshing or gushing, not to mention the regular
          > clicks in the ear.
          >
          > Any similarity to your symptoms?
          >
          > P.S. Patty, I could not open the page that you gave for the paper.
          >
          > Regards,
          >
          > Lidia
          >
          Hi lidia; I think someone corrected the address for the paper. It gives a concise describtion of auditory perception. I looked up the MEM and found a paper giving a very good describtion that furthers the physical manifestation that I also get. Mine innerviates the facial muscle, it heated the gland that is in the cheek area (that is when I sent a registered letter to the radiation protection) here in canada. The nerve excitation doesn't stop on the face but goes on to the scalp and thru the central nervous system over to my left side. Into my chest around my heart into the lung area and down my leg on the left side. It even takes a side course into my female pieces. I hear more of a polytone sound. No clicking, thank goodness, or I would be in even worst shape than I am already in.
          Back to your question, after reading the paper on MEM, I have one question, has a doctor been able to hear the clicking with a stehscope ( I know I spelled that wrong, like steve forgive me) Is the clicking audiable, from what I have read both window areas should be checked. The round and oval window areas. I still don't think my hum has anything to do with a misfunctioning muscle though. I do wonder a lot about where all this is going to physically.

          Patty
          > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "patty94@" wrote:
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Gaylor" marygaylor168@ wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Hi Lidia,
          > > >
          > > > You say about the hum being louder when you stop the car
          > engine....this is a common thing reported by people who can hear this, I
          > read it is because the car is metal and metal amplifys radio
          > frequencies.
          > > >
          > > >
          > http://www.magdahavas.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/DontStand\
          > inFrontoftheMicrowave.pdf
          > > >
          > > > I have only just gotten around to watching RESONANCE, BEINGS OF
          > FREQUENCY..a documentary film...it's on YouTube. For anyone who hasn't
          > watched it I would say it's one of the must watch films with relation to
          > the hum.
          > > >
          > > > This a link to my hum diary thread on a forum which is not
          > specifically aimed at the hum, but it saved my life and my diary has now
          > become worth it's weight in gold...
          > > >
          > > > http://www.noisyneighbours.net/forum/post/28792/#p28792
          > > >
          > > > There are two other threads, I'm Torment1.
          > > >
          > > Hi Lidia; I found a paper worth its' wait in gold for our
          > circumstance. Written by Christopher J. Plack, Auditory Perception,
          > http://socialscientist.us/nphs/psychIB/psychpdfs/PIP-Auditory-Perception\
          > .pdf because I do know it is a perception and this paper explains
          > concisely how we percieve from sound to neuronal activity that makes it
          > possible to connect with the brain.
          > > Patty
          > >
          >
        • lidia1313
          Hi, Patty, I am sorry that you have been affected so much, and of course, in a long term, I don t think I am too far from the same damage to the nervous
          Message 4 of 29 , Aug 9, 2013
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            Hi, Patty,

            I am sorry that you have been affected so much, and of course, in a long term, I don't think I am too far from the same damage to the nervous system. What you describe with the face muscle (and also Mary has), is a thing related to the tensor tympani muscle. It gets innervated by the mandibular branch of the trigeminus and you if you have read the link to the MEM I've given before, you will see that all the symptoms described there as tensor tympani sydrome, are also reffered to as mandibular or otomandibular disorders. Do you also suffer from any dental problems (have you had any root canal work done)? - I do have and it has done its damage in a long term...Do you have any cervical pain or dislocated disks? It may also contribute to the Hum hearing.

            As I sit in a quiet room and if I press together my lower and upper molars, I can hear and feel the exictation of the tensor tympani muscle which is so fast rotating that it gives an impression of a motor or a sawing mashine. Can you do the same experiment and confirm eventually the same sensation? If yes, then my suspicion on the Hum correlation to this disorder can be confirmed. Van Gogh was probably affected by MEM, not only that he has cut his ear (though the reason we know from the litterature is another one) but has tried to drawn himself into obliteration through the abscent drink. If this is true, then I can point right to the culprit - the Hum, if the Hum is caused by the electricity and the Earth's ionosphere interaction.

            A few days ago, in the morning, as I was waiting for my bus to come (in a quiet area of the island), I have heard the Hum outside and from direction of the electrical cabin (transformer) attached to the elctricity pylons. As I slowly approached it, the Hum intensity became much stronger. I will make detailed pictures of the whole equipment there, and consult with a electrical engineer. Too many cables going through these pylons, and I suspect that a few of them are for the telephones (and internet), but it needs to be confirmed by an expert.

            As for the clicking originating in my ears (mostly right), it hasn't been heard by another person or an ENT specialist (but they haven't tried to listen). Bear in mind that only a few people have been affected by MEM (the same rarity is valid for the Hum hearers) and that as a rule, the normal audiometric tests in these cases, have been shown normal.

            One day the truth will be exposed... But will we be rewarded with tranquility?
            The sad thing is that our children and future grandchildren are not protected and will have to suffer from the same evil thing as it spreads around the globe.
            Regards,

            Lidia
            ------------------------

            Hi lidia; I think someone corrected the address for the paper. It gives a concise describtion of auditory perception. I looked up the MEM and found a paper giving a very good describtion that furthers the physical manifestation that I also get. Mine innerviates the facial muscle, it heated the gland that is in the cheek area (that is when I sent a registered letter to the radiation protection) here in canada. The nerve excitation doesn't stop on the face but goes on to the scalp and thru the central nervous system over to my left side. Into my chest around my heart into the lung area and down my leg on the left side. It even takes a side course into my female pieces. I hear more of a polytone sound. No clicking, thank goodness, or I would be in even worst shape than I am already in.
            > Back to your question, after reading the paper on MEM, I have one question, has a doctor been able to hear the clicking with a stehscope ( I know I spelled that wrong, like steve forgive me) Is the clicking audiable, from what I have read both window areas should be checked. The round and oval window areas. I still don't think my hum has anything to do with a misfunctioning muscle though. I do wonder a lot about where all this is going to physically.
            >
            > Patty
            > > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "patty94@" wrote:
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Gaylor" marygaylor168@ wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > > Hi Lidia,
            > > > >
            > > > > You say about the hum being louder when you stop the car
            > > engine....this is a common thing reported by people who can hear this, I
            > > read it is because the car is metal and metal amplifys radio
            > > frequencies.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > http://www.magdahavas.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/DontStand\
            > > inFrontoftheMicrowave.pdf
            > > > >
            > > > > I have only just gotten around to watching RESONANCE, BEINGS OF
            > > FREQUENCY..a documentary film...it's on YouTube. For anyone who hasn't
            > > watched it I would say it's one of the must watch films with relation to
            > > the hum.
            > > > >
            > > > > This a link to my hum diary thread on a forum which is not
            > > specifically aimed at the hum, but it saved my life and my diary has now
            > > become worth it's weight in gold...
            > > > >
            > > > > http://www.noisyneighbours.net/forum/post/28792/#p28792
            > > > >
            > > > > There are two other threads, I'm Torment1.
            > > > >
            > > > Hi Lidia; I found a paper worth its' wait in gold for our
            > > circumstance. Written by Christopher J. Plack, Auditory Perception,
            > > http://socialscientist.us/nphs/psychIB/psychpdfs/PIP-Auditory-Perception\
            > > .pdf because I do know it is a perception and this paper explains
            > > concisely how we percieve from sound to neuronal activity that makes it
            > > possible to connect with the brain.
            > > > Patty
            > > >
            > >
            >
          • Mary Gaylor
            Hi everyone, I feel vibration and a lot of sensations. I realise this is not uncommon. I can be so weakened I am knocked to my knees when hit by the blast of
            Message 5 of 29 , Aug 10, 2013
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              Hi everyone,
               
              I feel  vibration and a lot of  sensations. I realise this is not uncommon. I can be so weakened I am knocked to my knees when hit by the blast of this, if I say turn a corner into a valley for instance.  I'm interested in why other loud noises don't have the same effect, if it is myoclonus...and even though another noise drowns out the hum and vibration. I still feel all the sensations I associate with the hum. 
               
              One thing I don't think I have mentioned is that the handset on my telephone picks up the hum, just by picking it up and stopping the dialling tone and listening....it's the same with mobile phones up here high on the hill where I live, when the line is open people can hear it even if they can't hear the hum, but it can be  incredibly 'loud' here .
               
              Struggling just at the moment because it was so 'loud' yesterday it severely affected my heartbeat, this is a regular occurance.  It's lower at the moment, but still horrendous.
               
              Kind Regards to you all,
               
              Mary
            • lidia1313
              Hi, Mary, This situation is the same for me in London, if at all it can be reassuring. I pray for you that you find another, quieter place of living soon, as
              Message 6 of 29 , Aug 10, 2013
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                Hi, Mary,

                This situation is the same for me in London, if at all it can be reassuring. I pray for you that you find another, quieter place of living soon, as this suffering is unacceptable.

                I don't say that the Hum and the myoclonus is the same thing.

                The Hum is an energy, and it triggers myoclonus of the middle ear, so that when the muscle vibrates (constantly, in severe cases) by it up to 200 times per second, its movement gives an impression of the Hum as a sound within the head. This is the reason why the Hum sufferers match the Hum frequency differently, usually from 40 Hz to 200 Hz as the muscle vibration varies upon the individuals. If the muscle's abnormal excitation is stopped, I strongly believe that one would not be able to hear the Hum. The vibration of the muscle itself could trigger other body responses, mostly through the nervous system, thus causing a brainstem disfunction and feeling of vibrations all over the body. When a muscle is disturbed, it starts resonating at its own frequency. When the middle ear muscle's resonant frequency is coupled by the Hum frequency, then it resonates in our oun head, thus giving the impression of a sound originating within one's own head (and this is a common complaint by the Hum hearers).
                This is just my pet theory, I hope that someone else's experiences might be able to confirm it...

                Best wishes,

                Lidia
                P.S. Will be back to London soon...

                --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Gaylor" <marygaylor168@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi everyone,
                >
                > I feel vibration and a lot of sensations. I realise this is not uncommon. I can be so weakened I am knocked to my knees when hit by the blast of this, if I say turn a corner into a valley for instance. I'm interested in why other loud noises don't have the same effect, if it is myoclonus...and even though another noise drowns out the hum and vibration. I still feel all the sensations I associate with the hum.
                >
                > One thing I don't think I have mentioned is that the handset on my telephone picks up the hum, just by picking it up and stopping the dialling tone and listening....it's the same with mobile phones up here high on the hill where I live, when the line is open people can hear it even if they can't hear the hum, but it can be incredibly 'loud' here .
                >
                > Struggling just at the moment because it was so 'loud' yesterday it severely affected my heartbeat, this is a regular occurance. It's lower at the moment, but still horrendous.
                >
                > Kind Regards to you all,
                >
                > Mary
                >
              • Cottrell, Danyele Marie
                I am so sorry to hear that some of you are experiencing what I am positive would drive me insane. Just the hum itself is enough to send me to the moon - and
                Message 7 of 29 , Aug 12, 2013
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                  I am so sorry to hear that some of you are experiencing what I am positive would drive me insane.   Just the hum itself is enough to send me to the moon – and the only physical symptom (aside from lack of sleep and things related to that) is my eardrums vibrate.   This can be replicated by driving down the road and cracking open one window just enough to get the air pressure fluctuating which then gets our eardrums vibrating.    Literally, it is the same exact feeling, but in a car driving is a magnitude greater than what the hum makes us feel.

                   

                  I wish you all the ability to move – though I know financially it is not necessarily possible in the short term, but hopefully in the long term you can get out of there.   Know that we are thinking of you and you are not alone.

                  Danyele

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  From: humforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lidia1313
                  Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 5:55 PM
                  To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: The Hum energy and middle ear myoclonus

                   

                   

                  Hi, Mary,

                  This situation is the same for me in London, if at all it can be reassuring. I pray for you that you find another, quieter place of living soon, as this suffering is unacceptable.

                  I don't say that the Hum and the myoclonus is the same thing.

                  The Hum is an energy, and it triggers myoclonus of the middle ear, so that when the muscle vibrates (constantly, in severe cases) by it up to 200 times per second, its movement gives an impression of the Hum as a sound within the head. This is the reason why the Hum sufferers match the Hum frequency differently, usually from 40 Hz to 200 Hz as the muscle vibration varies upon the individuals. If the muscle's abnormal excitation is stopped, I strongly believe that one would not be able to hear the Hum. The vibration of the muscle itself could trigger other body responses, mostly through the nervous system, thus causing a brainstem disfunction and feeling of vibrations all over the body. When a muscle is disturbed, it starts resonating at its own frequency. When the middle ear muscle's resonant frequency is coupled by the Hum frequency, then it resonates in our oun head, thus giving the impression of a sound originating within one's own head (and this is a common c! omplaint by the Hum hearers).
                  This is just my pet theory, I hope that someone else's experiences might be able to confirm it...

                  Best wishes,

                  Lidia
                  P.S. Will be back to London soon...

                  --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Gaylor" <marygaylor168@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hi everyone,
                  >
                  > I feel vibration and a lot of sensations. I realise this is not uncommon. I can be so weakened I am knocked to my knees when hit by the blast of this, if I say turn a corner into a valley for instance. I'm interested in why other loud noises don't have the same effect, if it is myoclonus...and even though another noise drowns out the hum and vibration. I still feel all the sensations I associate with the hum.
                  >
                  > One thing I don't think I have mentioned is that the handset on my telephone picks up the hum, just by picking it up and stopping the dialling tone and listening....it's the same with mobile phones up here high on the hill where I live, when the line is open people can hear it even if they can't hear the hum, but it can be incredibly 'loud' here .
                  >
                  > Struggling just at the moment because it was so 'loud' yesterday it severely affected my heartbeat, this is a regular occurance. It's lower at the moment, but still horrendous.
                  >
                  > Kind Regards to you all,
                  >
                  > Mary
                  >

                • Copsne
                  Danyele The symptom (air pressure buffetting) I take from your description, is more pronounced here in my neighborhood outside and in the corners of my home
                  Message 8 of 29 , Aug 13, 2013
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                    Danyele
                    The symptom (air pressure buffetting) I take from your description, is more pronounced here in my neighborhood outside and in the corners of my home from the compressor stations unstable turbine exhaust gas flows called vortex shedding. This is a non compliance issue with the companies operating permit. It is right next to WMS where you stopped.  The hum occurs regardless of this operation all along the 84 corridor up to Hartford

                    In SF CA and will try to intrude on our vacation to stop into San Bruno/ san Mateo where people have reported the hum here. 

                    Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's

                    On Aug 12, 2013, at 7:24 AM, "Cottrell, Danyele Marie" <dcottrel@...> wrote:

                     

                    I am so sorry to hear that some of you are experiencing what I am positive would drive me insane.   Just the hum itself is enough to send me to the moon – and the only physical symptom (aside from lack of sleep and things related to that) is my eardrums vibrate.   This can be replicated by driving down the road and cracking open one window just enough to get the air pressure fluctuating which then gets our eardrums vibrating.    Literally, it is the same exact feeling, but in a car driving is a magnitude greater than what the hum makes us feel.

                     

                    I wish you all the ability to move – though I know financially it is not necessarily possible in the short term, but hopefully in the long term you can get out of there.   Know that we are thinking of you and you are not alone.

                    Danyele

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                    From: humforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lidia1313
                    Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 5:55 PM
                    To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: The Hum energy and middle ear myoclonus

                     

                     

                    Hi, Mary,

                    This situation is the same for me in London, if at all it can be reassuring. I pray for you that you find another, quieter place of living soon, as this suffering is unacceptable.

                    I don't say that the Hum and the myoclonus is the same thing.

                    The Hum is an energy, and it triggers myoclonus of the middle ear, so that when the muscle vibrates (constantly, in severe cases) by it up to 200 times per second, its movement gives an impression of the Hum as a sound within the head. This is the reason why the Hum sufferers match the Hum frequency differently, usually from 40 Hz to 200 Hz as the muscle vibration varies upon the individuals. If the muscle's abnormal excitation is stopped, I strongly believe that one would not be able to hear the Hum. The vibration of the muscle itself could trigger other body responses, mostly through the nervous system, thus causing a brainstem disfunction and feeling of vibrations all over the body. When a muscle is disturbed, it starts resonating at its own frequency. When the middle ear muscle's resonant frequency is coupled by the Hum frequency, then it resonates in our oun head, thus giving the impression of a sound originating within one's own head (and this is a common c! omplaint by the Hum hearers).
                    This is just my pet theory, I hope that someone else's experiences might be able to confirm it...

                    Best wishes,

                    Lidia
                    P.S. Will be back to London soon...

                    --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Gaylor" <marygaylor168@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hi everyone,
                    >
                    > I feel vibration and a lot of sensations. I realise this is not uncommon. I can be so weakened I am knocked to my knees when hit by the blast of this, if I say turn a corner into a valley for instance. I'm interested in why other loud noises don't have the same effect, if it is myoclonus...and even though another noise drowns out the hum and vibration. I still feel all the sensations I associate with the hum.
                    >
                    > One thing I don't think I have mentioned is that the handset on my telephone picks up the hum, just by picking it up and stopping the dialling tone and listening....it's the same with mobile phones up here high on the hill where I live, when the line is open people can hear it even if they can't hear the hum, but it can be incredibly 'loud' here .
                    >
                    > Struggling just at the moment because it was so 'loud' yesterday it severely affected my heartbeat, this is a regular occurance. It's lower at the moment, but still horrendous.
                    >
                    > Kind Regards to you all,
                    >
                    > Mary
                    >

                  • Glen MacPherson
                    Hi. I have started to present my working hypothesis of the Hum phenomenon. In support of that I also present some refresher/crash courses in basic physics and
                    Message 9 of 29 , Aug 13, 2013
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                      Hi. 

                      I have started to present my working hypothesis of the Hum phenomenon. In support of that I also present some refresher/crash courses in basic physics and biology on my research blog at www.thehum.info. 

                      Understand that I could be quite incorrect in the VLF hypothesis. But such is life on the front lines of science. 

                      Thus far, Winnipeg, Manitoba is hum free. I'm about to go off the grid a few hours drive from here and listen carefully. 

                      All the best. 

                      Glen MacPherson
                    • xyzxyz12311@ymail.com
                      Hi Just a reminder about what some call The Holiday Effect When we go on a trip the hum will often stop, be off at the location we are visiting, be off when
                      Message 10 of 29 , Aug 15, 2013
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                        Hi

                        Just a reminder about what some call "The Holiday Effect"

                        When we go on a trip the hum will often stop, be off at the location we are visiting, be off when we get home and start again a few days latter.

                        A forum member said that the body is not a precise instrument and it may take some time for all it's systems to degrade to a point where the hum will start to be percieved.

                        xyz

                        --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Glen MacPherson <glen.macpherson@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Hi.
                        >
                        > I have started to present my working hypothesis of the Hum phenomenon.
                        > In support of that I also present some refresher/crash courses in basic
                        > physics and biology on my research blog at www.thehum.info.
                        >
                        > Understand that I could be quite incorrect in the VLF hypothesis. But
                        > such is life on the front lines of science.
                        >
                        > Thus far, Winnipeg, Manitoba is hum free. I'm about to go off the grid a
                        > few hours drive from here and listen carefully.
                        >
                        > All the best.
                        >
                        > Glen MacPherson
                        >
                      • Glen MacPherson
                        Interesting; when I traveled to the west coast of Vancouver Island I sensed the hum at once, even during the day. Heading into the wilderness in about 16
                        Message 11 of 29 , Aug 15, 2013
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                          Interesting; when I traveled to the west coast of Vancouver Island I sensed the hum at once, even during the day. 

                          Heading into the wilderness in about 16 hours, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing/hearing what happens. 

                          My suffering from the Hum is minor compared to some of us, and if the Map is correct and reasonably representative, there may be a quiet sanctuary for folks in the middle of the continent. If not, then I'll add another little blue dot on the map. 

                          I'll be in touch!

                          Cheers

                          Glen MacPherson
                          (from my iPhone)

                          On 2013-08-15, at 10:07 PM, "xyzxyz12311@..." <xyzxyz12311@...> wrote:

                           

                          Hi

                          Just a reminder about what some call "The Holiday Effect"

                          When we go on a trip the hum will often stop, be off at the location we are visiting, be off when we get home and start again a few days latter.

                          A forum member said that the body is not a precise instrument and it may take some time for all it's systems to degrade to a point where the hum will start to be percieved.

                          xyz

                          --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Glen MacPherson <glen.macpherson@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi.
                          >
                          > I have started to present my working hypothesis of the Hum phenomenon.
                          > In support of that I also present some refresher/crash courses in basic
                          > physics and biology on my research blog at www.thehum.info.
                          >
                          > Understand that I could be quite incorrect in the VLF hypothesis. But
                          > such is life on the front lines of science.
                          >
                          > Thus far, Winnipeg, Manitoba is hum free. I'm about to go off the grid a
                          > few hours drive from here and listen carefully.
                          >
                          > All the best.
                          >
                          > Glen MacPherson
                          >

                        • lidia1313
                          May I just add that the holiday effect has been valid for me as well... But it only happens when I travel by airplane. The Hum at the new location (or back at
                          Message 12 of 29 , Aug 15, 2013
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                            May I just add that the holiday effect has been valid for me as well... But it only happens when I travel by airplane. The Hum at the new location (or back at home) cannot be heard for about 3 days. It then catches up with me after the 4th night.

                            Maybe this is because of change of the pressure within the ear and relaxing of the affected middle ear muscle. I noticed that in that case I don't hear the Hum and I feel the ear fluttering only at one ear.

                            In number of experiments related to the MEM, some authors have found that the subjects started hearing sounds immediately after the onset of electrical activity within the Eustachian tubes which they attributed to clapping of the walls of the ET.

                            In my case, for the Hum to be heard, there must be bilateral muscle contraction of both tensor tympani and stapedius muscle. If only one side is affected, then the sufferer may think that they have tinnitus and hear hissing, not the Hum.

                            Here is a better explanation of what happens (found it on another forum, http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Ear--Nose--Throat/tensor-tympani-mycoclonus-in-both-ears-/show/958194):

                            "I am going to explain tensor tympani myoclonus as I understand it in my case; if you think there is any mistake in my reasoning please let me know. This reflex is activated when the tensor tympani muscle is overstreteched in my case; this overstreching is abnormal and due to unwanted force exerted on it by the malleus via the bone ossicular chain, which might have a dislocation in it. When the muscle becomes too stretched, the autonomous nervous system kicks in as it does for any overstreched muscles or any overcontracted muscle and send an antagonist nervous signal which result in contraction or stretching, respectively. However, in the case of the tensor tympani muscle, there are mobile bones attached to it (incus, stapedius, via the malleus). So if the muscle contract like a rubber band attached to two nails that is relased after being stretched, it's going to vibrate. Then the mobile bones atttached to it will move along with it; which explains this "hearbeat" sound associated with tympani tensor myoclonus, which is in essence the sound of "bone vibration" in the absence of any passing air wave." (end of citation)


                            There may be also an involvment of the tensor veli palatini which can mimic tinnitus symptoms according to what I read.

                            Also the 7th cranial nerve plays role in hearing the Hum or it is severely affected by it. Usually when it is supressed, it starts sending the wrong signals. Looking at its position, it originates very near the ear. Please refer to the image shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_nerve

                            Looking at its branches, these are the same places where I experience tingling, fluttering (in the forehead), vibration and popping sounds (like from a fizzy chewing gum) within the mouth near the molars. One of the branches provides motor innervation of the stapedius muscle, another one runs right through the middle ear.

                            Glen, are going to travel by airplane?... To your question about the white/brown noise on the video recordings, I have already posted a detailed description on the forum before and sent you an email. It sounds more like a brown noise (as it doesn't have the relaxing effect of the white noise hissing) but rather is a mixture of static, of rotational movement and waterfall-like sound. Or this is the sound which you would hear (if it was possible) while observing a Brownian motion.
                            A simple explanation of the brown noise can be found here:
                            http://www.livescience.com/38547-what-is-brown-noise.html

                            Regrards,
                            Lidia

                            --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Glen MacPherson <glen.macpherson@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Interesting; when I traveled to the west coast of Vancouver Island I sensed the hum at once, even during the day.
                            >
                            > Heading into the wilderness in about 16 hours, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing/hearing what happens.
                            >
                            > My suffering from the Hum is minor compared to some of us, and if the Map is correct and reasonably representative, there may be a quiet sanctuary for folks in the middle of the continent. If not, then I'll add another little blue dot on the map.
                            >
                            > I'll be in touch!
                            >
                            > Cheers
                            >
                            > Glen MacPherson
                            > (from my iPhone)
                            >
                            > On 2013-08-15, at 10:07 PM, "xyzxyz12311@..." <xyzxyz12311@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > > Hi
                            > >
                            > > Just a reminder about what some call "The Holiday Effect"
                            > >
                            > > When we go on a trip the hum will often stop, be off at the location we are visiting, be off when we get home and start again a few days latter.
                            > >
                            > > A forum member said that the body is not a precise instrument and it may take some time for all it's systems to degrade to a point where the hum will start to be percieved.
                            > >
                            > > xyz
                            > >
                            > > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Glen MacPherson <glen.macpherson@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Hi.
                            > > >
                            > > > I have started to present my working hypothesis of the Hum phenomenon.
                            > > > In support of that I also present some refresher/crash courses in basic
                            > > > physics and biology on my research blog at www.thehum.info.
                            > > >
                            > > > Understand that I could be quite incorrect in the VLF hypothesis. But
                            > > > such is life on the front lines of science.
                            > > >
                            > > > Thus far, Winnipeg, Manitoba is hum free. I'm about to go off the grid a
                            > > > few hours drive from here and listen carefully.
                            > > >
                            > > > All the best.
                            > > >
                            > > > Glen MacPherson
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                          • engineidler
                            Hi Glen, great work here, besides the sunspot co-realation, I noticed my HUM is weather related (but not always related in-sync , just the Hum changes when the
                            Message 13 of 29 , Aug 16, 2013
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                              Hi Glen, great work here, besides the sunspot co-realation, I noticed my HUM is weather related (but not always related in-sync , just the Hum changes when the weather changes) and I often related this to the old days of CB radio using skipping to get from the UK to Spain and beyond. All we need to fix now is the radio to noise conversion in our bodies and we have it licked!

                              John



                              --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Glen MacPherson <glen.macpherson@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Hi.
                              >
                              > I have started to present my working hypothesis of the Hum phenomenon.
                              > In support of that I also present some refresher/crash courses in basic
                              > physics and biology on my research blog at www.thehum.info.
                              >
                              > Understand that I could be quite incorrect in the VLF hypothesis. But
                              > such is life on the front lines of science.
                              >
                              > Thus far, Winnipeg, Manitoba is hum free. I'm about to go off the grid a
                              > few hours drive from here and listen carefully.
                              >
                              > All the best.
                              >
                              > Glen MacPherson
                              >
                            • engineidler
                              Glen, last night was very hot and humid in the LM due to cloud cover,also there was no wind to cool things off, it was so hot/humid I had to use A/C for the
                              Message 14 of 29 , Aug 17, 2013
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                                Glen, last night was very hot and humid in the LM due to cloud cover,also there was no wind to cool things off, it was so hot/humid I had to use A/C for the first time ever at night, plus the HUM was the loudest I have ever heard it here,even the A/C fan did not mask it, ideal VLF skip conditions!

                                John




                                --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "engineidler" <resuocs@...> wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                > Hi Glen, great work here, besides the sunspot co-realation, I noticed my HUM is weather related (but not always related in-sync , just the Hum changes when the weather changes) and I often related this to the old days of CB radio using skipping to get from the UK to Spain and beyond. All we need to fix now is the radio to noise conversion in our bodies and we have it licked!
                                >
                                > John
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Glen MacPherson <glen.macpherson@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Hi.
                                > >
                                > > I have started to present my working hypothesis of the Hum phenomenon.
                                > > In support of that I also present some refresher/crash courses in basic
                                > > physics and biology on my research blog at www.thehum.info.
                                > >
                                > > Understand that I could be quite incorrect in the VLF hypothesis. But
                                > > such is life on the front lines of science.
                                > >
                                > > Thus far, Winnipeg, Manitoba is hum free. I'm about to go off the grid a
                                > > few hours drive from here and listen carefully.
                                > >
                                > > All the best.
                                > >
                                > > Glen MacPherson
                                > >
                                >
                              • Cottrell, Danyele Marie
                                While I do think there is something to this, we have had terribly hot, humid and cloudy days/nights too and still no hum from sometime in May until October. I
                                Message 15 of 29 , Aug 19, 2013
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                                  While I do think there is something to this, we have had terribly hot, humid and cloudy days/nights too and still no hum from sometime in May until  October.

                                  I recently found another humling who lives a town south of me about 20 miles and he and I are on the same ‘hum schedule’.  

                                  However, the person from Terre Haute (about 50 miles northwest of me)  is not on our schedule.    ????

                                  This is what makes it so maddening. : - (

                                   

                                   

                                  From: humforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of engineidler
                                  Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:02 PM
                                  To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: Time to present my working hypothesis

                                   

                                   


                                  Glen, last night was very hot and humid in the LM due to cloud cover,also there was no wind to cool things off, it was so hot/humid I had to use A/C for the first time ever at night, plus the HUM was the loudest I have ever heard it here,even the A/C fan did not mask it, ideal VLF skip conditions!

                                  John

                                  --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "engineidler" <resuocs@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hi Glen, great work here, besides the sunspot co-realation, I noticed my HUM is weather related (but not always related in-sync , just the Hum changes when the weather changes) and I often related this to the old days of CB radio using skipping to get from the UK to Spain and beyond. All we need to fix now is the radio to noise conversion in our bodies and we have it licked!
                                  >
                                  > John
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Glen MacPherson <glen.macpherson@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Hi.
                                  > >
                                  > > I have started to present my working hypothesis of the Hum phenomenon.
                                  > > In support of that I also present some refresher/crash courses in basic
                                  > > physics and biology on my research blog at www.thehum.info.
                                  > >
                                  > > Understand that I could be quite incorrect in the VLF hypothesis. But
                                  > > such is life on the front lines of science.
                                  > >
                                  > > Thus far, Winnipeg, Manitoba is hum free. I'm about to go off the grid a
                                  > > few hours drive from here and listen carefully.
                                  > >
                                  > > All the best.
                                  > >
                                  > > Glen MacPherson
                                  > >
                                  >

                                • Wayne Barto
                                  I have read in several technical articles that the greater the humidity and moisture content of the atmosphere, the less ability the atmosphere has to transmit
                                  Message 16 of 29 , Aug 19, 2013
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                                    I have read in several technical articles that the greater the humidity and moisture content of the atmosphere, the less ability the atmosphere has to transmit low frequency wavelength frequencies.  This may bear itself out in the fact that many people (not all however!) are hearing a reduced humming noise since early May of this year.

                                  • Steve Kohlhase
                                    I agree ________________________________ From: Wayne Barto To: humforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August
                                    Message 17 of 29 , Aug 23, 2013
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                                      I agree

                                      From: Wayne Barto <wfbarto@...>
                                      To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:49 PM
                                      Subject: RE: HUM_FORUM: Re: Time to present my working hypothesis
                                       
                                      I have read in several technical articles that the greater the humidity and moisture content of the atmosphere, the less ability the atmosphere has to transmit low frequency wavelength frequencies.  This may bear itself out in the fact that many people (not all however!) are hearing a reduced humming noise since early May of this year.

                                    • Steve Kohlhase
                                      Maybe it s a different gas company system and they have different demand and operating conditions.  ________________________________ From: Cottrell, Danyele
                                      Message 18 of 29 , Aug 23, 2013
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                                        Maybe it's a different gas company system and they have different demand and operating conditions. 

                                        From: "Cottrell, Danyele Marie" <dcottrel@...>
                                        To: "'humforum@yahoogroups.com'" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:51 AM
                                        Subject: RE: HUM_FORUM: Re: Time to present my working hypothesis
                                         
                                        While I do think there is something to this, we have had terribly hot, humid and cloudy days/nights too and still no hum from sometime in May until  October.
                                        I recently found another humling who lives a town south of me about 20 miles and he and I are on the same ‘hum schedule’.  
                                        However, the person from Terre Haute (about 50 miles northwest of me)  is not on our schedule.    ????
                                        This is what makes it so maddening. : - (
                                         
                                         
                                        From: humforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of engineidler
                                        Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:02 PM
                                        To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: Time to present my working hypothesis
                                         
                                         

                                        Glen, last night was very hot and humid in the LM due to cloud cover,also there was no wind to cool things off, it was so hot/humid I had to use A/C for the first time ever at night, plus the HUM was the loudest I have ever heard it here,even the A/C fan did not mask it, ideal VLF skip conditions!

                                        John

                                        --- In mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com, "engineidler" <resuocs@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Hi Glen, great work here, besides the sunspot co-realation, I noticed my HUM is weather related (but not always related in-sync , just the Hum changes when the weather changes) and I often related this to the old days of CB radio using skipping to get from the UK to Spain and beyond. All we need to fix now is the radio to noise conversion in our bodies and we have it licked!
                                        >
                                        > John
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > --- In mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com, Glen MacPherson <glen.macpherson@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Hi.
                                        > >
                                        > > I have started to present my working hypothesis of the Hum phenomenon.
                                        > > In support of that I also present some refresher/crash courses in basic
                                        > > physics and biology on my research blog at http://www.thehum.info/.
                                        > >
                                        > > Understand that I could be quite incorrect in the VLF hypothesis. But
                                        > > such is life on the front lines of science.
                                        > >
                                        > > Thus far, Winnipeg, Manitoba is hum free. I'm about to go off the grid a
                                        > > few hours drive from here and listen carefully.
                                        > >
                                        > > All the best.
                                        > >
                                        > > Glen MacPherson
                                        > >
                                        >
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