Re: The probable source of the HUM is sun spots
- I had thought of satellites but expected them to use higher frequencies than the 50 Hz and below Hum, also the common worldwide HUM pre-dates modern (but not all)satellites. Uunfortunately the link you posted is geographically restricted to the USA,
if anyone finds a proxy or alternate site let us know.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "oscillate34" <oscillate34@...> wrote:
> I encourage all to watch the recently aired NOVA episode titled "Earth From Space", it is outstanding -> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/earth-from-space.html
> The subject is Earth science advancements through the use of NASA satellites. They cover solar flares and how the Earth's magnetic field protects us from them.
> What I found even more interesting is how these satellites are constantly sweeping the planet with radar (RF emissions) and several other sensing technologies spread across the visible and non-visible frequency spectrum. How's that for a potential source of the Hum?
> --- In email@example.com, "engineidler" <resuocs@> wrote:
> > Hello everyone, my name is John Beaman, I live in British Columbia Canada, I am a member of the Applied Science and Technologists of BC. I have heard the HUM since 1981 but have suffered different levels over the years depending on where I have lived. Lately the HUM has been very disruptive in my life.
> > Last week I was watching TV and they mentioned Sun spots/ Solar Flares may be interrupting Satellites so they are shutting some down, I thought to myself, that's a coincidence as the HUM is very loud lately, so I did some research to see if I could find a co-relation and here is what I came up with.
> > I found a Government web site with Solar Indices data on it, there are many different types of Solar Interference cause by Sun Spots, Geomagnetic Observed data made the best match.
> > I then needed a comparator, a list of data showing the HUM volume over the past 6 years is what I really needed but there is no such thing, especially as the HUM volume is subjective. A light bulb then went off, I had a eureka moment, maybe, just maybe I could use the Message History data on the Yahoo HUM Forum, after all, the louder the HUM the more people post so it is a virtual HUM volume record.
> > The resulting graph match was incredibly close. Using only the original data I have made two graphs that show that the HUM and Sunspots are unequivocally linked. One detail on the graph was a drop in postings during July/aug due to summer vacation, if I added 100 posts per month to these months the graphs were even closer in symmetry.
> > I also added trend lines to the graph, these trend lines are even more convincing as they are extremely close in waveform ( the gap between them does not mean anything, it is the shape that matters )
> > So there you have it, I believe it is Sun spots that is causing this inescapable nightmare.
> > I will post the graphs to this forum and to my website below
> > Regards
> > John
> > Sunspot data
> > http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/weekly/RecentIndices.txt
> > http://the-windsor-taos-kokomo-hum.com/
- Danyele....I am about 2 or a little more than 2 hours away from White and Van Buren counties. I tell you what....if you hear the hum in those counties you know it is coming from the earth or the atmosphere itself because those areas are about as rural as you can get!!!
About a month ago, I spent a weekend in Nashville which is 3 hours from where I live and I did not hear the hum once while I was there. That was during a time frame when the hum was still quite loud here at my home....so go figure!!!
From: "Cottrell, Danyele Marie" <dcottrel@...>
To: "'firstname.lastname@example.org'" <email@example.com>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: HUM_FORUM: HUM_FORUM: Re: The probable source of the HUM is sun spots
Yes!! Ours seemed to be worse more in the mornings too! Normally it is loudest 11pm – around 3am, but it changed to be worse about 8am –on.
OK, definitely connected --- South Central Indiana and Eastern Tennessee. (I will be caving in August in White and VanBuren Counties– let me know if you are around there)Danyele...I have had the same experience here in E. TN. The last several weeks have been the best and the quietest weeks in a long time. I have also noticed a change in the timing of the loudest hum during the day. It used to start up pretty bad around 10 PM....now it is delayed to much later during the night and when I wake up in the morning it is the strongest. Thankfully, I am off doing things soon thereafter and therefore it does not bother me much then. There are also many more ambient sounds at that time of day that help to mask the hum. So...I am with you...what changed and what is different now than before????
4/28/13 – 5/9/13 Was the worst it has been (with waxing and waning – it wasn’t constantly horrendous). (9-10 scale)5/9/13 – 5/19/13 Lessoned considerably. Almost didn’t even need a fan to cover the sound, but it did help. (4-6 scale)5/20/13 – current Almost nothing to nothing! WWwoooo Hoooo (0-2)Now I am on a mission to find out what in the heck happened around here locally, in the world, in space, etcLet you know what I find outHave a great day everyone!Been bearable on and off for the last 2 weeks here. For what is going when needed for sleep, back to the ceiling fan in bedroom. I find the fan the best of all masking techniques. In a certain radius of the fan the hum caused air ear fluctuations and harshness are neutralized (at least at intensities occurring now)Great for you- no hum...Yes, and still using gas here every day,, and no hum still for going on 5 weeks.. no complaints…Late 60's early 70's the UK converted to natural gas and the use of high pressure transmission lines. Easily validated.
Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's
Unforunately the Aurora is too variable to relate exactly to the HUM, it is not on/off , I have noticed the HUM was loud once when the Aurora was large enough to be seen at the USA/CA border. Solar activity may be the cause of the HUM , something like whatever is causing global warming may be the catalyst, hence the recent proliferation. Also, it may have been with us for centuries but means of reporting were not abundant. I have a theory why the UK was an early reporter. In the early 60/70s , unlike America , there were probably 6 ot 7 national daily newspapers, it was a paper version of the Internet as far as news was concerned, maybe polution is the enabler ( and boy did we have ploution in the 60's in the UK) and the proliferation of newsapapers was the reason it was reported in the UK early.
--- In mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com, Tobypaws2002@... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/04/2013 22:27:05 GMT Daylight Time,
> glen.macpherson@... writes:
> > I'm skeptical of the theory that sunspots cause the acoustic phenomenon
> > > > known as hum in the atmosphere. First, humans have existed for over a
> > > > million years, yet there is no historical record of people being
> > > bothered by
> > > > hum until well into the industrial age which started in the 19th
> > > > The sun affects the upper atmosphere by means of the solar wind, a
> > > > stream of charged particles which becomes more intense during
> periods of
> > > > peak sunspot activity. This solar wind ionizes air molecules, causing
> > > them
> > > > to emit light which manifests as the aurora borealis, a vivid
> display of
> > > > shifting bands of light in the sky at polar latitudes. Yet, there is
> > > hum
> > > > reported to be associated with the aurora. John, as you live at high
> > > > latitude in British Columbia, have you ever noticed a hum associated
> > > > the aurora? I still believe the hum consists of low-frequency noise
> > > > various sources linked to human activity. Such noise can propagate
> > > long
> > > > distances in the atmosphere a nd cause the air in enclosed spaces to
> > > > resonate, disturbing people who inhabit those spaces.
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Thanks yet again, mr.steven.brown.
> > > >
> > > > It's what I've been saying for many years.
> > > >
> > > > For some reason, many people seem to be ignoring the obvious, i.e.,
> > > > activity making huge amounts of noise, which could be floating
> > > > overlapping with other low hums, and thus sounding louder, plus being
> > > > difficult to pinpoint. There must be a huge number of low frequency
> > > > emissions from jet planes, for example, buzzing all over the world,
> > > > at high altitudes. Maybe most of their LFN gets absorbed as it
> > > > downwards towards ground level, but who knows?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe enough seeps down then mixes with existing sources...
> > > >
> > > > I agree this Hum problem does seem linked to modern times....I would
> > > > money on it !
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again.
> > > >
> > > > R.S.J.Mann,
> > > >
> > > > LFNSH, England.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments on my 'Information Pack' would be welcome,
> > > >
> > > > as I hope to try to edit it down somewhat, before sending to a kind
> > > > gentleman
> > > >
> > > > in Seattle, who a while ago offered to have it on his site.
> > > >
> > > > It is with N.H.S., at Gloucester : they kindly took it last year.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > e%20Sufferers%20Helpline.pdf
> > > >=========================================
> Hi, all,
> I just had an e-mail from the database/health
> information people in Gloucestershire, England,
> (see their previous link above)
> who very helpfully took lots of 'papers' from me,
> so that sufferers could read for themselves much
> of what I think about The Hum.
> They have altered their web address, to :
> My 'papers' seem to be there O.K.,
> and I hope there may be some useful
> ideas for you.
> I asked them to change part of the text today,
> but it's not a vitally important change,
> just about Noise Cancelling Headphones .
> By the way, have many of us tried that useful site
> that offers Tone Generating?
> Are you able to replicate , even approximately,
> the pitch of the Hum that you hear?
> It would be interesting to know what sort of frequencies
> you think you are receiving from the environment .
> Mine (I don't often hear it now thank goodness,
> only when the wind is from the city)
> seems around 33Hz., from what I remember:
> what a nightmare that was .
> I wonder if anyone could listen to their Hum, then get
> the Tone Generator going, then adjust the pitch till it
> coincides with your own incoming Hum's pitch?
> That would be interesting ?
> Best Wishes,
> LFNS Help,