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Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: Call for Research Participants

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  • Steve Kohlhase
    Glen you might be interested in this research done in 1995 by V Krylov ,exactly what I have been saying   I only came across it tonite searching under
    Message 1 of 28 , Nov 27, 2012
    Glen you might be interested in this research done in 1995 by V Krylov ,exactly what I have been saying   I only came across it tonite searching under "propagation of sound underground" so we are totally independant.   There isn't much other than my work on the subject of gaslines, so you can understand my excitement finding this.
    There are likely many sources, but I will bet the lines are one of the key sources. 
     
     I am trying to contact Mr Krylov, so if anybody knows how to contact him, please advise.
     
    Steve

    From: Glen MacPherson <glen.macpherson@...>
    To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:43 PM
    Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: Call for Research Participants
     
    Hi Steve. Sechelt is at one end of spectrum, in that almost every single last factor speculated to be involved with The Hum is found here. What we now need is another location, at the other end of the spectrum, which has none of the traditionally suspected factors. By comparing locations at either end of the spectrum, we are more likely to find out which factors are least prerequisite for The Hum. I have an idea to add to yours. Let's build a Hum Wiki Map. Individuals from around the world can pinpoint the locations (apart from their home address) where they can hear The Hum. They could register these maps points using an anonymous ID number. Not only that, they can report at the same time the intensity of it, and other variables. Researchers can they overlay that map with anything they want, whether it be gas pipelines, high voltage lines, smart meters, you name it. Because of the anonymous nature of it, many Hum Sensors are more likely to come forward and contribute.  I have begun such a mapping project here in Sechelt, and I will let you know how things go. I'll also let you know when I've got the web Hum Location Map up and running. Cheers Glen
    On 12-11-25 1:29 PM, Steve Kohlhase wrote:
     
    Hum- sensing is a very appropriate way to put it.  I have many co workers who sense it, fewer actually hear it.  In one spot a co worker experienced distessed breathing from it (15 ft deep basement location) and had the over all body pressure.  Others the tingling vibration of their feet and up the lower calve muscles, but can't say they hear a Hum, just feeling strange. 
     
    From: humupnorth mailto:humupnorth@...
    To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:08 AM
    Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: Call for Research Participants
     
    Glen, A local survey is a good idea, I'll be in touch with the few local Humlings I know, and see what we can organize. Is there such a thing as a standard Hum questionnaire? Interesting that the Hum you describe is very similar to what I've experienced, meanwhile we live in such different environments! In Whitehorse we don't have trains, or pipeline, or big industries for hundreds of kilometres around. We do have telecommunications systems, which would be one similarity to infrastructure in your area. As for Whitehorse's wastewater treatment plant, hydro dam, and a few wind turbines far away, they've been around for at least 10 years. That wouldn't explain my Hum which began suddenly and was severe for about 6 months in 2011, but has been weak and intermittent for the past year. So, here are a few questions that would be of interest for many on this forum. When did your Hum begin? Does the beginning of your Hum coincide with the installation or upgrade of infrastructure (i.e. water treatment plant, gas lines, telecommunication systems, etc.) What about others in your area, did they begin to sense this Hum at the same time? You mentioned that you also sensed the Hum in Tofino. Are there telecommunication systems there, gas lines, etc.? (Note that I use the term "sensing" the Hum. To this day, I wouldn't be able to say whether it's a sound or vibrations.) HumUpNorth / Whitehorse, Yukon _____________________________________ --- In mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com, Glen MacPherson mailto:glen.macpherson@... wrote: > > Dear HumupNorth. > > Thanks for responding; indeed I am interested in the planet-wide data. > However, If I get flooded with local data over the next few months, I'll > likely need to focus on that first. > > Whitehorse. May I make a suggestion? Canada Post charges about $0.15 to > insert a flyer/leaflet/envelope regarding the "nuisance low frequency > noise" (maybe wait a while before using the proper name) into random > mailboxes. So for about $30.00 you could sample 200 households. > Respondents could enter their information into a webform (let me know if > you need help setting that up), a checklist, or simply email you. It > could be that there are many others who hear it. I'll be doing something > similar here. > > Cheers > > Glen > > On 12-11-24 5:20 AM, humupnorth wrote: > > > > > > Glen, > > Yours is a very interesting and important approach to researching the > > Hum. Your description of your Hum is similar to what I've experienced: > > like an engine with irregular throbbing. Would you like to hear from > > Humlings from areas other than the West coast? I'm from Whitehorse Yukon. > > HumUpNorth > > _______________________ > > > > > > --- In mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Glen MacPherson <glen.macpherson@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everybody, and thank you to those who have already contacted me. > > > The Pacific Northwest seems like a current hotspot. Based on the > > > archives for this group and the feedback I've already received, I feel > > > that I need to say more about my own efforts and ask for assistance. > > > Sorry, this is a long post. (Should I use attachments in the future?) > > > > > > Allow me to give some background that will help everybody understand my > > > study. > > > > > > My research method is called ethnography, which means that I enter > > > cultures and become embedded in them to the degree that I can understand > > > their workings and then communicate that experience to those outside > > > that culture. I listen to everybody, gather innumerable facts and > > > details, suggest theories and explanations, and arrive at explanations > > > about the workings of that culture. Well, in the case of The Hum, I have > > > a leg up on the cultural integration part of it; I am a Hearer. But I am > > > also a teacher of college-entry level mathematics, physics, chemistry, > > > biology, and psychology, with a degree major in computer programming. I > > > know just enough about these subjects to learn what else I need in order > > > to operate in the scientific world and conduct my own controlled > > > experiments. > > > > > > My ethnographic work aims to educate the rest of society about our > > > shared experience. My scientific work, although rudimentary, aims to > > > provide specialists with raw ingredients for more sophisticated inquiry. > > > Ideally, the two should inform each other. > > > > > > Thankfully, I have thus far been spared from the medical complaints that > > > can be associated with The Hum. But some of us suffer badly from it, and > > > to relieve them of this suffering we must teach the rest of society in a > > > matter-of-fact and sensible way what The Hum is. The first technicians > > > who reported that they could "hear" radar waves were initially deemed to > > > be mentally ill. Even though we are now well past the point where that > > > phenomenon is established, there is always a social danger associated > > > with reporting sensory experiences that most other people do not have. I > > > think it is highly probable that there are powerful people who hear The > > > Hum but remain silent about it, or even ridicule it. With sufficient > > > critical mass, discussing this phenomenon can become normalized, and > > > then the focus of intense scientific research. If The Hum turns out to > > > be a natural phenomenon, which I think is very unlikely, we'll have > > > learned something new about our planet. If The Hum is caused by human > > > activity, which I think is very likely, to relieve the suffering we may > > > need to enlist non-Hearers to push against corporate and > > governmental goals. > > > > > > /My Experience with The Hum./ > > > > > > I have heard The Hum - or at least paid attention to it - since > > > April/May of this year. I live near Sechelt, BC, Canada, a mountainous > > > coastal peninsular town, population 6 000, located about 50 km from the > > > metropolis of The Lower Mainland of Vancouver in British Columbia, > > > Canada. It is situated at the narrowest strip of the Sunshine Coast > > > Peninsula of British Columbia. Sechelt is unique in that it is one of > > > the few towns I know of that has two very distinct oceanfronts - Georgia > > > Strait to the South, and the Sechelt Inlet to the North. Interestingly, > > > a few dozen miles up that Inlet is the second or third fastest tidal > > > rapids on the planet, at the Skookumchuk Narrows. The idling diesel > > > engine description is satisfactory for me, but even better if we add to > > > it the low throbbing hum of an improperly grounded sub-woofer speaker > > > left on without any music coming from it. A low frequency note, a deep > > > hum, perceived by me with a frequency close to 56.5 Hz and variably > > > modulated, from not at all to 1 Hz or 2 Hz. I've found several online > > > reproductions of the sound that match very closely to what I experience. > > > It typically builds to full volume within one second, might hold for a > > > few seconds or even minutes, and then fades and returns. If I quickly > > > turn my head or exhale loudly, The Hum disappears, then returns at once. > > > Any significant ambient noise, inside or outside, masks it. I can hear > > > it inside the house at night, but rarely outside it; I can hear it > > > inside my car in the evening, but not outside it. I've driven several > > > miles up a mountain logging road, and it's still there. There are > > > several locations within one hundred miles of here where I cannot hear > > > it. Since I started paying attention to it in earnest, there has been a > > > single, two-day quiet period. I regret not taking note of that > > precise date. > > > > > > Our location hosts active shipping lanes, with many large barges and log > > > booms moving through Georgia Strait at all hours, in some cases > > > approaching to within several hundreds of meters of the shoreline. A > > > fast flowing creek empties into the ocean a few hundred meters away from > > > here. The British Columbia Ferry system operates several of the largest > > > car ferries in the world, which make multiple daily trips across Georgia > > > Strait between Vancouver and the city of Nanaimo (on Vancouver Island). > > > There is a large and active gravel mine right in Sechelt, which > > > transports gravel from the pit several hundred meters down a conveyor > > > belt into the holds of waiting ships, at all hours although more often > > > during the day and early evening. The Vancouver Island Natural Gas > > > Pipeline passes directly through Sechelt as it descends from the nearby > > > mountains. The giant Howe Sound Pulp and Paper mill operates 24 hours > > > per day at Port Mellon, roughly 20 (crow) km from my location. Sechelt > > > is also situated at the intersection of two 138 kV electric grid > > > transmission lines. The joint Canadian/American Maritime Experimental > > > and Test Ranges Military Base is just across Georgia Strait, about 30 km > > > away. American nuclear submarines operate in the area. This location is > > > seismically active, with the Juan de Fuca plate subducting against the > > > Pacific Plate at roughly 4 cm/year (rated 4 out of 6 on the seismic risk > > > scale) and it is expected to experience a major earthquake within 50 > > > years. It would seem that my location seems to be a "perfect storm" of > > > most factors speculated to be involved with The Hum. I wonder if there > > > is another location on the planet with these features, and I wonder if I > > > can hear The Hum there. > > > > > > During a summer surfing trip to Tofino (coastal town, population 2000) > > > on the west side of Vancouver Island on the open ocean, several hundred > > > kilometers away from home, I lay awake in my van in the early morning > > > and, to my fascination and mild dismay, I felt it. Combine a scientific, > > > cultural, and insidious mystery with my academic background and I arrive > > > at my study. > > > / > > > //The Data Gathering/ > > > > > > I bring no particular expertise to this, but I intend to employ my title > > > and my association with a major academic institution to bring forth > > > another serious paper on this topic. Finding a co-author with geophysics > > > or engineering credentials would be a large asset. Ethnography and > > > social change are both slow businesses. I plan for about 18 months of > > > data gathering, and 6 months to report on it. The scientific side of it > > > is more fun for me because the outcomes are often immediate, dramatic, > > > replicable, and convincing. Even if the scientific mystery is solved > > > tomorrow, the ethnographic work remains important for the reasons listed > > > above. > > > > > > For those who are interested, I am pursuing some lines of inquiry; if > > > you can contribute to these or point me toward some reputable sources, > > > please feel free to let me know. > > > / > > > //The Ethnographic and Scientific Questions:/ > > > > > > i) Are there children who claim to hear The Hum, but whose parents > > > cannot? In either case, the answer raises several new questions, each of > > > which could prove important culturally and scientifically. In his > > > thought-provoking and exploratory missive on the subject, Chris Barnes > > > reports that the children involved reporting hearing it some time after > > > the adults did. I'd like to know the following specifically: In > > > households where at least one adult can hear The Hum, what percentage of > > > the other adults can hear it, and what percentage of children can hear > > > it? Is there a pattern in which children tend to hear it after their > > > parents do? > > > > > > ii) Are there any Hearers who have travelled to well-known, active Hum > > > locations around the world and reported their findings? Can they hear > > > some or all the hums? This would seem to be a crucial piece of evidence. > > > I know that Deming touched on this topic tangentially, and I have read > > > references to people who have made such voyages. We need to collate > > > these informal investigations, judge the quality of the evidence, and > > > search for patterns in the data. It could be, as Barnes suggests, that > > > each Hum cluster is activated by a specific intersection of infrasonic > > > vibrations, geology, electromagnetic radiation, and the physiology of > > > Hearers. > > > > > > iii) Are there any deaf people who sense The Hum? This has been > > > established in the realm of microwave radiation, but I see no specific > > > references to The Hum. This data would help with the line of reasoning > > > that The Hum is not an audio phenomenon but a biological reaction to low > > > frequency electromagnetic radiation. The ultimate research participant > > > here would be a Hearer who, at some point along the way lost his/her > > > hearing but then continued to sense the hum (or not sense it). > > > > > > iv) Are there any racial or ethnic components to this? Perhaps it's > > > strictly a coincidence, but the ethnographer in me notices that > > > practically every person I've seen interviewed about this is Caucasian. > > > I wouldn't mind a look at the raw Kokomo or Taos data to check if the > > > racial/ethnic makeup of the participants reflected that of the general > > > population. If not, then why not? > > > > > > v) Can The Hum be heard deep underwater? VLF radiation penetrates > > > seawater to a depth of roughly 40 m at most, and as shallow as 20m or > > > less. If one of you is a scuba diver, do you have the option of diving > > > down very deep in still water? Are there any differences in sensation > > > between fresh and salt water? A properly designed experiment along these > > > lines might help determine whether or not The Hum is rooted in > > > electromagnetic radiation. > > > > > > vi) Deming suggests that TACAMO transmissions are a leading candidate > > > hypothesis for the source of The Hum. Because of the classified military > > > nature of TACAMO, this is the crack in the door that allows in every > > > manner of speculation, even conspiracy. Add to that Deming's claim > > > (often misunderstood) that The Hum has an anthropogenic quality in that > > > it has "hid" from investigations. This is no more conspiratorial than > > > suggesting that major environmental polluters have hid from > > > investigations. If it turns out that The Hum is an artifact of the > > > national defense-corporate leviathan, it might take a massive effort to > > > counter the message that The Hum is, in fact, "The Sound of Safety". So > > > my question here is, is it legal in your country to identify the > > > locations or movements of VLF and ELF sources? There's certainly no laws > > > in Canada or the United States against photographing publicly visible > > > objects on public property (sporadic harassment has been reported in > > > cases of people photographing infrastructure such as bridges and > > > tunnels). And although it is illegal in Canada and the US to read what > > > are intended to be private messages intended for third parties, it is > > > legal to detect the presence of those signals. For example, the precise > > > location and frequency of the massive Jim Creek broadcast station in > > > Washington State and others are published. Hypothetically, triangulating > > > with several low frequency receivers (< 30kHz) with directional > > > antennas, it might be possible to pinpoint the locations of moving VLF > > > and ELF radiation. If those motions can explain the locations of Hum > > > clusters, then we would have our answer. The question, again, is, would > > > it be legal in your country to locate the sources of mobile VLF and ELF > > > radiation? I have no problem rubbing people the wrong way with my > > > conclusions, but it is imperative that I operate within the relevant > > > legal frameworks. > > > > > > vii) Has anybody searched Wikileaks for references to The Hum or low > > > frequency complaints? A long-shot, for sure, but worth looking for. Has > > > anybody filed a Freedom to Information request regarding The Hum? > > > Despite some government shenanigans and foot-dragging, such laws in > > > Canada and The United States are surprisingly robust. > > > > > > viii) Barnes suggests that strong infrasonic energy, somewhere between > > > 10Hz and 17Hz, may be a prerequisite for The Hum. This would seem to be > > > a very simple thing to test. Does anybody have any recent low-frequency > > > spectral analyses from any major Hum centers? Can somebody familiar with > > > the Taos study report on this? Barnes' theory might hinge on the > > > following data: within a Hum region, are there some locations that have, > > > and some that do not have, significant infrasound? Is there an > > > inexpensive LF audio monitor on the market? > > > > > > ix) I perceive The Hum at what seems to be around 56.6 Hz. Does this > > > perceived frequency appear elsewhere in reports? Do people report the > > > same perceived frequencies at different Hum centers? Has anybody > > > gathered this data? > > > > > > x) Some of you live in isolated locations. One of you lives in > > > Central/Northern Manitoba, where there are massive industrial operations > > > (the nickel mine INCO, in Thompson, MB and Hudson Bay Mining and > > > Smelting in Flin Flon, for example). The area surrounding Taos, New > > > Mexico has a number of active mines. There are two open pit mines > > > operating right in my immediate area. Just an observation, not even a > > > speculation. > > > > > > Thanks, and sorry again for the long-winded post. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Glen MacPherson > > > > > > > > > On 12-11-14 8:32 AM, Copsne wrote: > > > > > > > > Glen I think there are a number of us outside your focus area you > > > > could use as a resource, so at least you see all the various > > > > differences and commonalities. We all desire that this hum be exposed > > > > and reduced to bearable, unharmful levels > > > > > > > > Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's > > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 2:49 PM, "xyzxyz12311@ > > > > mailto:xyzxyz12311@" <xyzxyz12311@ > > > > mailto:xyzxyz12311@> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hi, I would like to participate if you need anyone from Northern > > > >> Manitoba. > > > >> > > > >> --- In mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > >> "tofinosurfer" <glen.macpherson@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Dr. Glen MacPherson, educational researcher and lecturer at the > > > >> University of British Columbia, is coordinating a study of the Hum > > > >> Phenomenon in the area of Vancouver and Vancouver Island, British > > > >> Columbia, Canada. We are searching for participants for this study. > > > >> > > > > >> > Previous studies (Deming, 2004. e.g.) have suggested that a > > > >> significant proportion (at least two percent) of the population can > > > >> hear The Hum, but do not report it, either because they assume it as > > > >> a strictly localized event, or out of fear of ridicule. The > > > >> researchers are approaching this study with the assumption that in > > > >> the vast majority of cases, The Hum is a genuinely experienced > > > >> phenomenon, regardless of its source. > > > >> > > > > >> > Our study aims to extend previous studies in several areas, > > > >> specifically: hyper-localized mapping of Hearer locations, enlisting > > > >> the assistance of Hearers to test different locations for the > > > >> presence of the hum, correlating Hearer locations to geographical, > > > >> geological, and physiological factors. > > > >> > > > > >> > If you can hear The Hum and live anywhere near the Lower Mainland > > > >> of Vancouver, BC, Victoria, BC, or nearby on Vancouver Island or in > > > >> northern Washington State, we would welcome your participation in > > > >> this study. Your anonymity is protected, and you may participate to > > > >> the extent that is convenient for you. > > > >> > > > > >> > Please contact research@ if you are interested in contributing > > > >> to what is known about The Hum. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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