Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum

Expand Messages
  • Pictoblu
    I found the Sara T. Allen stuff from 1994, etc. at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html    JD put a link to that website up as recently as this past
    Message 1 of 27 , Nov 2, 2012
    • 0 Attachment
      I found the Sara T. Allen stuff from 1994, etc. at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html    JD put a link to that website up as recently as this past Sept.  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/humforum/message/15603  but I missed it.

      So, good try, Mark, but NO CIGAR FOR YOU!   Same for when you appear as Lasse and gtprfckup, and god knows who all else you are.  Now I know why you have specifically stated that you will NOT DISCUSS HAARP. This is so funny!

      Thanks so much for the steps that have led to the revelation that we are right! No wonder you pick on certain people! How many different people do you appear here as?

      People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Blissful ignorance and all that. Awareness, consciousness only causes problems, right?

      If anything out of the ordinary happens to me, auto accident, any accident, maimed, crippled, dead, I have instructed some people to be sure to let this group know. And we do know about radionics, as well.

      Thank you for your Service.

      Lots of Humming and Vibrating LOVE aimed right at you!


      --- On Sat, 11/3/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:

      From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
      Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
      To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 1:23 AM



      Thank you for the lengthy reply.  I am sorry but it appears that you have missed the point.
      This is not about me. The scientific method is extraneous to everyone and can be used by everyone. It is a tool, a method of investigation. My motives, beliefs, opinions, personality are not applicable or pertinent. Science is a system of logical deduction that must follow a well defined path. Not my choice or path but the scientific method.

      In the case of Steve. It is possible and even likely that his hum is caused by gas pipelines. If he observes standing waves in water, there is little doubt that some vibrational effect is occurring. My hypothesis suggests that these vibrations are possibly resulting in a hum when they propagate through his bones or other body parts. If other residents in his neighborhood hear the same hum, an external source is even more likely. However, if only he hears the hum, it is subjective and likely coming from inside his body even if the external cause is gas pipelines. My hypothesis only suggests that most humlings are hearing the effects of some external force on their bodies instead of some external sound or noise coming into their ear canals.

      If you hear a hum that no one else can here, can you at least admit that it is possible that the hum is coming from inside your own body? Can any of you demonstrate that it is coming from outside?

      I suggest that it is entirely possible that many hum hearers are projecting their inner sensations towards the external world. Don't take offense. Projection is common function of the psyche. If the hum is a noise coming from the outside, it should decrease with intensity as you move away from the source.

      Mark S. Jordan
      zorbasci@...


      From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
      To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 11:29 PM
      Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum

       
      I really do need to do another internet detox, keep computer turned off for several days, do other things like before internet went online for the masses, but all this stuff is just too fascinating!

      Mark, of course your hypothesis is highly possible. Anything is possible, according to some. I don't remember what you came here for originally, nor my getting involved with anything you offered here in the past. Did I?

      Obviously there is a Force, an Energy, a Something, maybe several Forces, Energies, Somethings that is/are causing the Hum.

      However, no one who has been around me when I am hearing the Hum nor when I have been asleep has ever said that they hear me humming.

      Also, not one other Hum Hearer, over the course of the past 9 years that this group has been in existence, other than the kungfoobabe, has ever said that anyone they were sleeping with, or were just in the same room with, has ever heard their body humming. Or have they and I just missed it?

      Many group members have used all kinds of audio equipment, made recordings, but have never recorded an audible hum from their body nor anyone else's body. Or have they and we just missed it?

      Maybe Steve's body is humming so loudly that it's making his pool vibrate?:)

      Of course there can be a new gang of posts from all kinds of people come online here now saying that they have, but that's just how our world operates sometimes, right? :)

      So, Mark, just what is the Force, the Energy, the Something that you are suggesting could be able to cause a human body to hum so loudly that another human could hear it, other than electrosmog? That's been mentioned over and over and over again, and poo pooed over and over again, even tho I think electrosmog is a likely suspect, among other likely suspects.  What makes us and the Hum so important to you that you devote time and energy to us? Have you been awarded a grant to study us? Have you been commissioned by another unknown to come here? Is there someone you care about who has asked you to figure this BS out?

      And quite frankly, Mark, you can hypothesize til the cows come home, but even if the cause(s) is(are) revealed, it will most likely cost millions/billions to fix it, if it's fixable. What's in it for you, if not relief from this annoying Hum?

      Anyways, thanks for your time and don't stop trying. Maybe one day soon you will be lucky enough to join our ranks as a Certified Hum Hearer.  It just might change your life, and your hypothesis! 

      Please remember, until kungfubabe came along, we have always been referred to as Hum Hearers, not People Who Hum. :)

      Here's your challenge, since you offered us one: Are you scientist enough to develop a blocking mechanism? Many have tried and no one has succeeded. That's what we need, something to block it, permanently.

      Peace, Love, and All The Best.




      --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:

      From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
      Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
      To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
      Cc: "zorbasci@..." <zorbasci@...>
      Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 11:03 PM



      Hi to all,

      With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.

      "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."

      I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 

      In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.

      When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.

      Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.

      This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research. 

      Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.

      Mark S. Jordan
      scientist and non-hum hearer
      zorbasci@...





    • humupnorth
      Old news. It s been demonstrated by American neuroscientist Allan Frey in 1962 that electromagnetic energy can induce the perception of sound in people.
      Message 2 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
      • 0 Attachment
        Old news. It's been demonstrated by American neuroscientist Allan Frey in 1962 that electromagnetic energy can induce the perception of sound in people. Check the link below.

        Well, I followed my own advice, and just read Frey's paper at the link below. Glad I did, because what's news for me is that it also mentions the perception of "buffeting" of the head, and "pins & needles", sensations that I've experienced at times along with the Hum. Although the cause wasn't obvious to me at the time, it's always been clear to me that it had to be an external source because I experienced this only at certain locations.

        But as far as hearing other people's bodies "humming", we understand that dear "Mark Jordan" is laughing.

        I agree Pictoblu, wonder how many aliases are involved here.
        __________________________________________________________

        http://www.raven1.net/frey.htm

        Human auditory system response to Modulated electromagnetic energy.
        ALLAN H Frey
        General Electric Advanced Electronics Center
        Cornell University, Ithaca, New York
        1962

        Using extremely low average power densities of electromagnetic energy, the perception of sounds was induced in normal and deaf humans.

        With appropriate modulation, the perception of various sounds can be induced in clinically deaf, as well as normal, human subjects at a distance of inches up to thousands of feet from the transmitter. With somewhat different transmitter parameters, we can induce the perception of severe buffeting of the head, without such apparent vestibular symptoms as dizziness or nausea. Changing transmitter parameters again, one can induce a "pins-and -needles" sensation.
        ______________________________________________


        --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Pictoblu <pictoblu@...> wrote:
        >
        > I found the Sara T. Allen stuff from 1994, etc. at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0 JD put a link to that website up as recently as this past Sept.  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/humforum/message/15603%c2%a0 but I missed it.
        >
        > So, good try, Mark, but NO CIGAR FOR YOU!   Same for when you appear as Lasse and gtprfckup, and god knows who all else you are.  Now I know why you have specifically stated that you will NOT DISCUSS HAARP. This is so funny!
        >
        > Thanks so much for the steps that have led to the revelation that we are right! No wonder you pick on certain people! How many different people do you appear here as?
        >
        > People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Blissful ignorance and all that. Awareness, consciousness only causes problems, right?
        >
        > If anything out of the ordinary happens to me, auto
        > accident, any accident, maimed, crippled, dead, I have instructed some
        > people to be sure to let this group know. And we do know about
        > radionics, as well.
        >
        > Thank you for your Service.
        >
        > Lots of Humming and Vibrating LOVE aimed right at you!
        >
        >
        > --- On Sat, 11/3/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:
        >
        > From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
        > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
        > To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
        > Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 1:23 AM
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Thank you for the lengthy reply.  I am sorry but it appears that you have missed the point.
        > This is not about me. The scientific method is extraneous to everyone and can be used by everyone. It is a tool, a method of investigation. My motives, beliefs, opinions, personality are not applicable or pertinent. Science is a system of logical deduction that must follow a well defined path. Not my choice or path but the scientific method.
        >
        > In the case of Steve. It is possible and even likely that his hum is caused by gas pipelines. If he observes standing waves in water, there is little doubt that some vibrational effect is occurring. My hypothesis suggests that these vibrations are possibly resulting in a hum when they propagate through his bones or other body parts. If other residents in his neighborhood hear the same hum, an external source is even more likely. However, if only he hears the hum, it is subjective and likely coming from inside his body even if the external cause is gas pipelines. My hypothesis only suggests that most humlings are hearing the effects of some external force on their bodies instead of some external sound or noise coming into their ear canals.
        >
        > If you hear a hum that no one else can here, can you at least admit that it is possible that the hum is coming from inside your own body? Can any of you demonstrate that it is coming from outside?
        > I suggest that it is entirely possible that many hum hearers are projecting their inner sensations towards the external world. Don't take
        > offense. Projection is common function of the psyche. If the hum is a noise coming from the outside, it should decrease with intensity as you move away from the source.
        >
        > Mark S. Jordanzorbasci@...
        >
        > From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
        > To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 11:29 PM
        > Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >  
        >
        >
        > I really do need to do another internet detox, keep computer turned off for several days, do other things like before internet went online for the masses, but all this stuff is just too fascinating!
        >
        > Mark, of course your hypothesis is highly possible. Anything is possible, according to some. I don't remember what you came here for originally, nor my getting involved with anything you offered here in the past. Did I?
        >
        > Obviously there is a Force, an Energy, a Something, maybe several Forces, Energies, Somethings that is/are causing the Hum.
        >
        > However, no one who has been around me when I am hearing the Hum nor when I have been asleep has ever said that they hear me humming.
        >
        > Also, not one other Hum Hearer, over the course of the past 9 years that this group has been in existence, other than the kungfoobabe, has
        > ever said
        > that anyone they were sleeping with, or were just in the same room with, has ever heard their body humming. Or have they and I just missed it?
        >
        > Many group members have used all kinds of audio equipment, made recordings, but have never recorded an audible hum from their body nor anyone else's body. Or have they and we just missed it?
        >
        > Maybe Steve's body is humming so loudly that it's making his pool vibrate?:)
        >
        > Of course there can be a new gang of posts from all kinds of people come online here now saying that they have, but that's just how our world operates sometimes, right? :)
        >
        > So, Mark, just what is the Force, the Energy, the Something that you are suggesting could be able to cause a human body to hum so loudly that another human could hear it, other than electrosmog? That's been mentioned over and over and over again, and poo pooed over and over
        > again, even tho I think electrosmog is a likely suspect, among other likely suspects.  What makes us and the Hum so important to you that you devote time and energy to us? Have you been awarded a grant to study us? Have you been commissioned by another unknown to come here? Is there someone you care about who has asked you to figure this BS out?
        >
        > And quite frankly, Mark, you can hypothesize til the cows come home, but even if the cause(s) is(are) revealed, it will most likely cost millions/billions to fix it, if it's fixable. What's in it for you, if not relief from this annoying Hum?
        >
        > Anyways, thanks for your time and don't stop trying. Maybe one day soon you will be lucky enough to join our ranks as a Certified Hum Hearer.  It just might change your life, and your hypothesis! 
        >
        > Please remember, until kungfubabe came along, we have always been referred to as Hum Hearers, not People Who Hum. :)
        >
        > Here's your challenge, since you offered us one: Are you scientist enough to develop a blocking mechanism? Many have tried and no one has succeeded. That's what we need, something to block it, permanently.
        >
        > Peace, Love, and All The Best.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:
        >
        > From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
        > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
        > To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
        > Cc: "zorbasci@..." <zorbasci@...>
        > Date: Friday, November 2,
        > 2012, 11:03 PM
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Hi to all,
        > With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.
        >
        > "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."
        > I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting
        > guidelines. However, if you think it is
        > proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it
        > funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 
        > In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.
        >
        > When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.
        >
        > Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external
        > hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.
        >
        > This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a
        > new avenue to
        > research. 
        > Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.
        > Mark S. Jordanscientist and non-hum hearer
        > zorbasci@...
        >
      • Soozie
        Mark,  I want to say to you that I am sorry that you were so heavily brow beaten in here before. I do not and did not appreciate the reactions that the others
        Message 3 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
        • 0 Attachment
          Mark,
           I want to say to you that I am sorry that you were so heavily brow beaten in here before. I do not and did not appreciate the reactions that the others had toward your queery. It's perfectly fine for a non hearer to ask questions and try to help us postulate theories. They didn't jump Lasse for adding his two cents and he's a non hearer too. I guess if you don't come to the table with technology and ways to promote certain members perspective theories then you get tossed to the curb. I am far too thick skinned and obnoxiously agressive to let them stop me from posting a lot of my own theories. It seems that's what it takes to be on this forum and get heard. Shameful exchange in many ways if you ask me. I am sorry you were treated badly and I do not endorse this kind of nasty lashing out to a new innocent person and you are welcome to add here any time in my opinion. If they want to boot me out for saying these things so be it!
           With that having been said, I do find your theory interesting, but I can tell you that I do not have body sensations like some of the others on the forum. I only hear it in my ears and/or head. I can also say that my spouse has never heard my body vibrate or hum.
           If it were something that caused the body to vibrate why would only some of us hear it or perceive it and not others? It seems to me that we humlings are apparently more sensitive than others. There are people in the world who can see colors that others cannot see and hear sounds and tone ranges that others cannot hear. This is all "scientifically" documented and well known. The fact that others do not hear it does not mean it is not there, and also does not mean that it must be from an internal source. Additionally, it does not mean that the other non hearers are not being impacted in some ways too, we just happen to be able to perceive it. I have always been sensitive to many things. I wonder if others on here also are extra sensitive in other ways or areas. I have posted many space sounds and earth sounds on here as well as even other possible earthly natural sources. From my perspective this has to be the real answer as to where my hum comes from. As you may have read I have posed that there could easily be more than one kind of hum for more than one kind of source. To say otherwise at this juncture would be an ignorant over statement. The natural force theory is the one that can be heard anywhere, even places with no technology, could impact or be perceived by only certain portions of the population, could explain why only certain geographic areas go quiet and others flare up. It explains why a source cannot be pin pointed easily and seems to be coming from everywhere, and also solves a lot of the descrepancies in most of the other theories posed here, in my opinion. This is my own pet theory, so you are dead balls on with your comment "we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force." if you ask me! There are many newly noticed things happening within and around the earth. Earth changes are occuring in areas and ways never before seen and are already being tracked by scientists, to ignore these angles as possibile sources for our hums is a bad approach and poorly performed scientific study, in my opinion.
           The earth has shifted on it's axis, is having a lot of magnetic shifts, the sun is having huge flares like never before seen, the weather is off the charts in it severity, the increase in earth quakes in recent years has never been seen before, and the ice caps are melting to name just a few things that are currently going on within our mother earth. Something is causing the animals to die off by the thousands and millions, beaching whales and dolphins, birds falling from the sky by the hundreds at a time, lots of mass unexplained animal deaths world wide.  All of this joins together under the umbrella of natural earth sources and cannot be ignored. Since this is happening to all of these other areas of nature and the world why would we ever assume we are immune and that this cannot be the source of our hum. why must it be only from man made sources? All of these heavy earth changes have occurred only in more recent years as has our hum.
          Suzie
           
           


          ________________________________
          From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
          To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
          Cc: "zorbasci@..." <zorbasci@...>
          Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 10:03 PM
          Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum


          Hi to all,

          With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.


          "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."

          I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 

          In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.


          When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.


          Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.


          This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research. 

          Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.

          Mark S. Jordan
          scientist and non-hum hearer

          zorbasci@...






          ________________________________
          From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
          To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 8:45 PM
          Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand


          Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum.

          Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess.

          --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@...> wrote:


          >From: Soozie <soozieqty1@...>
          >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
          >To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
          >Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it.
          > One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here.
          >Just my opinion again, no science needed!
          >Suzie
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
          >To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
          >Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM
          >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
          >

          >I did listen to these. Very interesting!
          >
          >They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do.  Similar to this:   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554
          >
          >The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times.  I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense?
          >
          >
          >--- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          >>From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...>
          >>Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
          >>To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
          >>Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM
          >>
          >>
          >>Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings!
          >>
          >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#!
          >>
          >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related
          >>
          >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related
          >>
          >>http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml
          >>
          >
                
        • Sandra Shultz
          Blu, I m with you ....Has anyone noticed the change in weather around the world?? HAARP has been experimenting with the ionosphere for as many years as the
          Message 4 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
          • 0 Attachment
            Blu,
             
            I'm with you ....Has anyone noticed the change in weather around the world??  HAARP has been experimenting with the  ionosphere for as many years as the Hum existed.  The Chinese and the Russians have a program identical to HAARP.  Strange isn't it ?  Now we are getting small tropical storms turning into monster storms in a matter of hours.  Global Warming doesn't work that way.  Oil fields in LA., N.Y. City???  If this trend continues, we(the US) will be destroyed financially.  Think about it......
             
            I have a friend...His brother is a US scientist....His brother refused to even discuss the HUM (I asked as a favor).  Strange again isn't it???  
             
            Time will tell what " Scientist " have in store for the world.  Am I an alarmist ?  You betcha !    Something is messing with "Mother Nature" and it's not global warming.  If this is " National Defense"....Not a thing can be done about it by the average citizen. 
             
            I moved from a location where the Hum was very loud.....Now I hardly hear it....Only in the Winter months coming from the West.  Only a mummer.  If I could move away from the Hum....It's external not internal.
             
            Living in the US, I'm entitled to an opinion....This is mine.  I believe anything is a possibility in the strange angry world man had created.
             
            Be well all.....  
             
             
             
             
             
            -------Original Message-------
             
            From: Pictoblu
            Date: 11/3/2012 12:51:01 AM
            Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
             
             

            I found the Sara T. Allen stuff from 1994, etc. at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html    JD put a link to that website up as recently as this past Sept.  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/humforum/message/15603  but I missed it.

            So, good try, Mark, but NO CIGAR FOR YOU!   Same for when you appear as Lasse and gtprfckup, and god knows who all else you are.  Now I know why you have specifically stated that you will NOT DISCUSS HAARP. This is so funny!

            Thanks so much for the steps that have led to the revelation that we are right! No wonder you pick on certain people! How many different people do you appear here as?

            People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Blissful ignorance and all that. Awareness, consciousness only causes problems, right?

            If anything out of the ordinary happens to me, auto accident, any accident, maimed, crippled, dead, I have instructed some people to be sure to let this group know. And we do know about radionics, as well.

            Thank you for your Service.

            Lots of Humming and Vibrating LOVE aimed right at you!


            --- On Sat, 11/3/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:

            From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
            Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
            To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
            Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 1:23 AM



            Thank you for the lengthy reply.  I am sorry but it appears that you have missed the point.
            This is not about me. The scientific method is extraneous to everyone and can be used by everyone. It is a tool, a method of investigation. My motives, beliefs, opinions, personality are not applicable or pertinent. Science is a system of logical deduction that must follow a well defined path. Not my choice or path but the scientific method.

            In the case of Steve. It is possible and even likely that his hum is caused by gas pipelines. If he observes standing waves in water, there is little doubt that some vibrational effect is occurring. My hypothesis suggests that these vibrations are possibly resulting in a hum when they propagate through his bones or other body parts. If other residents in his neighborhood hear the same hum, an external source is even more likely. However, if only he hears the hum, it is subjective and likely coming from inside his body even if the external cause is gas pipelines. My hypothesis only suggests that most humlings are hearing the effects of some external force on their bodies instead of some external sound or noise coming into their ear canals.

            If you hear a hum that no one else can here, can you at least admit that it is possible that the hum is coming from inside your own body? Can any of you demonstrate that it is coming from outside?

            I suggest that it is entirely possible that many hum hearers are projecting their inner sensations towards the external world. Don't take offense. Projection is common function of the psyche. If the hum is a noise coming from the outside, it should decrease with intensity as you move away from the source.

            Mark S. Jordan
            zorbasci@...


            From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
            To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 11:29 PM
            Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum

             
            I really do need to do another internet detox, keep computer turned off for several days, do other things like before internet went online for the masses, but all this stuff is just too fascinating!

            Mark, of course your hypothesis is highly possible. Anything is possible, according to some. I don't remember what you came here for originally, nor my getting involved with anything you offered here in the past. Did I?

            Obviously there is a Force, an Energy, a Something, maybe several Forces, Energies, Somethings that is/are causing the Hum.

            However, no one who has been around me when I am hearing the Hum nor when I have been asleep has ever said that they hear me humming.

            Also, not one other Hum Hearer, over the course of the past 9 years that this group has been in existence, other than the kungfoobabe, has ever said that anyone they were sleeping with, or were just in the same room with, has ever heard their body humming. Or have they and I just missed it?

            Many group members have used all kinds of audio equipment, made recordings, but have never recorded an audible hum from their body nor anyone else's body. Or have they and we just missed it?

            Maybe Steve's body is humming so loudly that it's making his pool vibrate?:)

            Of course there can be a new gang of posts from all kinds of people come online here now saying that they have, but that's just how our world operates sometimes, right? :)

            So, Mark, just what is the Force, the Energy, the Something that you are suggesting could be able to cause a human body to hum so loudly that another human could hear it, other than electrosmog? That's been mentioned over and over and over again, and poo pooed over and over again, even tho I think electrosmog is a likely suspect, among other likely suspects.  What makes us and the Hum so important to you that you devote time and energy to us? Have you been awarded a grant to study us? Have you been commissioned by another unknown to come here? Is there someone you care about who has asked you to figure this BS out?

            And quite frankly, Mark, you can hypothesize til the cows come home, but even if the cause(s) is(are) revealed, it will most likely cost millions/billions to fix it, if it's fixable. What's in it for you, if not relief from this annoying Hum?

            Anyways, thanks for your time and don't stop trying. Maybe one day soon you will be lucky enough to join our ranks as a Certified Hum Hearer.  It just might change your life, and your hypothesis! 

            Please remember, until kungfubabe came along, we have always been referred to as Hum Hearers, not People Who Hum. :)

            Here's your challenge, since you offered us one: Are you scientist enough to develop a blocking mechanism? Many have tried and no one has succeeded. That's what we need, something to block it, permanently.

            Peace, Love, and All The Best.




            --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:

            From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
            Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
            To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
            Cc: "zorbasci@..." <zorbasci@...>
            Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 11:03 PM



            Hi to all,

            With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.

            "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."

            I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 

            In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.

            When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.

            Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.

            This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research. 

            Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.

            Mark S. Jordan
            scientist and non-hum hearer
            zorbasci@...





             
          • Copsne
            Yes others in my neighborhood and work and many homes along these line hear/ feel/ hear @ feel the effects of the hum. I ve said this over and over. Comment.
            Message 5 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
            • 0 Attachment
              Yes others in my neighborhood and work and many homes along these line hear/ feel/ hear @ feel the effects of the hum. I've said this over and over. 

              Comment. Dont let your frustrations turn into vengence. Things take time and new ideas appear needed because the old ones bounced around for a lpng time havent materialized into actionable solutions. 

              Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's

              On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:50 AM, Pictoblu <pictoblu@...> wrote:

               

              I found the Sara T. Allen stuff from 1994, etc. at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html    JD put a link to that website up as recently as this past Sept.  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/humforum/message/15603  but I missed it.

              So, good try, Mark, but NO CIGAR FOR YOU!   Same for when you appear as Lasse and gtprfckup, and god knows who all else you are.  Now I know why you have specifically stated that you will NOT DISCUSS HAARP. This is so funny!

              Thanks so much for the steps that have led to the revelation that we are right! No wonder you pick on certain people! How many different people do you appear here as?

              People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Blissful ignorance and all that. Awareness, consciousness only causes problems, right?

              If anything out of the ordinary happens to me, auto accident, any accident, maimed, crippled, dead, I have instructed some people to be sure to let this group know. And we do know about radionics, as well.

              Thank you for your Service.

              Lots of Humming and Vibrating LOVE aimed right at you!


              --- On Sat, 11/3/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:

              From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
              Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
              To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
              Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 1:23 AM



              Thank you for the lengthy reply.  I am sorry but it appears that you have missed the point.
              This is not about me. The scientific method is extraneous to everyone and can be used by everyone. It is a tool, a method of investigation. My motives, beliefs, opinions, personality are not applicable or pertinent. Science is a system of logical deduction that must follow a well defined path. Not my choice or path but the scientific method.

              In the case of Steve. It is possible and even likely that his hum is caused by gas pipelines. If he observes standing waves in water, there is little doubt that some vibrational effect is occurring. My hypothesis suggests that these vibrations are possibly resulting in a hum when they propagate through his bones or other body parts. If other residents in his neighborhood hear the same hum, an external source is even more likely. However, if only he hears the hum, it is subjective and likely coming from inside his body even if the external cause is gas pipelines. My hypothesis only suggests that most humlings are hearing the effects of some external force on their bodies instead of some external sound or noise coming into their ear canals.

              If you hear a hum that no one else can here, can you at least admit that it is possible that the hum is coming from inside your own body? Can any of you demonstrate that it is coming from outside?

              I suggest that it is entirely possible that many hum hearers are projecting their inner sensations towards the external world. Don't take offense. Projection is common function of the psyche. If the hum is a noise coming from the outside, it should decrease with intensity as you move away from the source.

              Mark S. Jordan


              From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
              To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 11:29 PM
              Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum

               
              I really do need to do another internet detox, keep computer turned off for several days, do other things like before internet went online for the masses, but all this stuff is just too fascinating!

              Mark, of course your hypothesis is highly possible. Anything is possible, according to some. I don't remember what you came here for originally, nor my getting involved with anything you offered here in the past. Did I?

              Obviously there is a Force, an Energy, a Something, maybe several Forces, Energies, Somethings that is/are causing the Hum.

              However, no one who has been around me when I am hearing the Hum nor when I have been asleep has ever said that they hear me humming.

              Also, not one other Hum Hearer, over the course of the past 9 years that this group has been in existence, other than the kungfoobabe, has ever said that anyone they were sleeping with, or were just in the same room with, has ever heard their body humming. Or have they and I just missed it?

              Many group members have used all kinds of audio equipment, made recordings, but have never recorded an audible hum from their body nor anyone else's body. Or have they and we just missed it?

              Maybe Steve's body is humming so loudly that it's making his pool vibrate?:)

              Of course there can be a new gang of posts from all kinds of people come online here now saying that they have, but that's just how our world operates sometimes, right? :)

              So, Mark, just what is the Force, the Energy, the Something that you are suggesting could be able to cause a human body to hum so loudly that another human could hear it, other than electrosmog? That's been mentioned over and over and over again, and poo pooed over and over again, even tho I think electrosmog is a likely suspect, among other likely suspects.  What makes us and the Hum so important to you that you devote time and energy to us? Have you been awarded a grant to study us? Have you been commissioned by another unknown to come here? Is there someone you care about who has asked you to figure this BS out?

              And quite frankly, Mark, you can hypothesize til the cows come home, but even if the cause(s) is(are) revealed, it will most likely cost millions/billions to fix it, if it's fixable. What's in it for you, if not relief from this annoying Hum?

              Anyways, thanks for your time and don't stop trying. Maybe one day soon you will be lucky enough to join our ranks as a Certified Hum Hearer.  It just might change your life, and your hypothesis! 

              Please remember, until kungfubabe came along, we have always been referred to as Hum Hearers, not People Who Hum. :)

              Here's your challenge, since you offered us one: Are you scientist enough to develop a blocking mechanism? Many have tried and no one has succeeded. That's what we need, something to block it, permanently.

              Peace, Love, and All The Best.




              --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:

              From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
              Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
              To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
              Cc: "zorbasci@..." <zorbasci@...>
              Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 11:03 PM



              Hi to all,

              With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.

              "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."

              I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 

              In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.

              When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.

              Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.

              This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research. 

            • Copsne
              I think spmeone (john Dawes) mentioned awhile ago the second study report for Taos was stopped or sealed. I havent pursued what thats all about, but maybe
              Message 6 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
              • 0 Attachment
                I think spmeone (john Dawes) mentioned awhile ago the second study report for Taos was stopped or sealed. I havent pursued what thats all about,  but maybe some one should (or already has)...

                Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's

                On Nov 2, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Pictoblu <pictoblu@...> wrote:

                 

                Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum.

                Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess.

                --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@...> wrote:

                From: Soozie <soozieqty1@...>
                Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM



                Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it.
                 One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here.
                Just my opinion again, no science needed!
                Suzie


                From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM
                Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                 
                I did listen to these. Very interesting!

                They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do.  Similar to this:   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554  

                The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times.  I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense?


                --- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...> wrote:

                From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...>
                Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM

                Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings!

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#!

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related

                http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml

              • Copsne
                Soozie add to your animal list the still unexplained lobster population collapse in the western end of the Long Island Sound&buzzards bay Ma Honey bee CCD
                Message 7 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
                • 0 Attachment
                  Soozie add to your animal list the still unexplained
                  lobster population collapse in the  western end of the Long Island Sound&buzzards bay Ma 
                  Honey bee CCD 
                  Root cause to triggering the reduced immunities of the eastern bat resulting in WNSyndrome
                  Fish kills Ark river, Fl tributary east coast

                  Whatelse???


                  Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's

                  On Nov 3, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Soozie <soozieqty1@...> wrote:

                   

                  Mark,
                   I want to say to you that I am sorry that you were so heavily brow beaten in here before. I do not and did not appreciate the reactions that the others had toward your queery. It's perfectly fine for a non hearer to ask questions and try to help us postulate theories. They didn't jump Lasse for adding his two cents and he's a non hearer too. I guess if you don't come to the table with technology and ways to promote certain members perspective theories then you get tossed to the curb. I am far too thick skinned and obnoxiously agressive to let them stop me from posting a lot of my own theories. It seems that's what it takes to be on this forum and get heard. Shameful exchange in many ways if you ask me. I am sorry you were treated badly and I do not endorse this kind of nasty lashing out to a new innocent person and you are welcome to add here any time in my opinion. If they want to boot me out for saying these things so be it!
                   With that having been said, I do find your theory interesting, but I can tell you that I do not have body sensations like some of the others on the forum. I only hear it in my ears and/or head. I can also say that my spouse has never heard my body vibrate or hum.
                   If it were something that caused the body to vibrate why would only some of us hear it or perceive it and not others? It seems to me that we humlings are apparently more sensitive than others. There are people in the world who can see colors that others cannot see and hear sounds and tone ranges that others cannot hear. This is all "scientifically" documented and well known. The fact that others do not hear it does not mean it is not there, and also does not mean that it must be from an internal source. Additionally, it does not mean that the other non hearers are not being impacted in some ways too, we just happen to be able to perceive it. I have always been sensitive to many things. I wonder if others on here also are extra sensitive in other ways or areas. I have posted many space sounds and earth sounds on here as well as even other possible earthly natural sources. From my perspective this has to be the real answer as to where my hum comes from. As you may have read I have posed that there could easily be more than one kind of hum for more than one kind of source. To say otherwise at this juncture would be an ignorant over statement. The natural force theory is the one that can be heard anywhere, even places with no technology, could impact or be perceived by only certain portions of the population, could explain why only certain geographic areas go quiet and others flare up. It explains why a source cannot be pin pointed easily and seems to be coming from everywhere, and also solves a lot of the descrepancies in most of the other theories posed here, in my opinion. This is my own pet theory, so you are dead balls on with your comment "we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force." if you ask me! There are many newly noticed things happening within and around the earth. Earth changes are occuring in areas and ways never before seen and are already being tracked by scientists, to ignore these angles as possibile sources for our hums is a bad approach and poorly performed scientific study, in my opinion.
                   The earth has shifted on it's axis, is having a lot of magnetic shifts, the sun is having huge flares like never before seen, the weather is off the charts in it severity, the increase in earth quakes in recent years has never been seen before, and the ice caps are melting to name just a few things that are currently going on within our mother earth. Something is causing the animals to die off by the thousands and millions, beaching whales and dolphins, birds falling from the sky by the hundreds at a time, lots of mass unexplained animal deaths world wide.  All of this joins together under the umbrella of natural earth sources and cannot be ignored. Since this is happening to all of these other areas of nature and the world why would we ever assume we are immune and that this cannot be the source of our hum. why must it be only from man made sources? All of these heavy earth changes have occurred only in more recent years as has our hum.
                  Suzie
                   
                   


                  ________________________________
                  From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
                  To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                  Cc: "zorbasci@..." <zorbasci@...>
                  Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 10:03 PM
                  Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum


                  Hi to all,

                  With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.


                  "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."

                  I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 

                  In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.


                  When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.


                  Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.


                  This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research. 

                  Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.

                  Mark S. Jordan
                  scientist and non-hum hearer

                  zorbasci@...






                  ________________________________
                  From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                  To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 8:45 PM
                  Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand


                  Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum.

                  Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess.

                  --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@...> wrote:


                  >From: Soozie <soozieqty1@...>
                  >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                  >To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it.
                  > One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here.
                  >Just my opinion again, no science needed!
                  >Suzie
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                  >To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                  >Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM
                  >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                  >

                  >I did listen to these. Very interesting!
                  >
                  >They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do.  Similar to this:   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554
                  >
                  >The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times.  I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense?
                  >
                  >
                  >--- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  >>From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...>
                  >>Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                  >>To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                  >>Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings!
                  >>
                  >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#!
                  >>
                  >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related
                  >>
                  >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related
                  >>
                  >>http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml
                  >>
                  >
                        

                • Soozie
                  Steve,  The list of recent freak things in nature can go on and on, and they are not explained by science and have never been seen before. It also only points
                  Message 8 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
                  • 0 Attachment
                    Steve,
                     The list of recent freak things in nature can go on and on, and they are not explained by science and have never been seen before. It also only points to the reality that things relating to this earth are in a huge state of flux at this time. Why is it not possible that my hum is caused by some earth change? Why must it be man made technological in source? That theory doesn't wash for me because it doesn't explain how people that are far away from technology still can hear the hum just to name one thing. This is what I have been trying to convey.
                    Suzie
                     

                    From: Copsne <c_o_p_s_ne@...>
                    To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 7:47 AM
                    Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                     
                    Soozie add to your animal list the still unexplained
                    lobster population collapse in the  western end of the Long Island Sound&buzzards bay Ma 
                    Honey bee CCD 
                    Root cause to triggering the reduced immunities of the eastern bat resulting in WNSyndrome
                    Fish kills Ark river, Fl tributary east coast

                    Whatelse???

                    Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's
                    On Nov 3, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Soozie <soozieqty1@...> wrote:
                     
                    Mark,  I want to say to you that I am sorry that you were so heavily brow beaten in here before. I do not and did not appreciate the reactions that the others had toward your queery. It's perfectly fine for a non hearer to ask questions and try to help us postulate theories. They didn't jump Lasse for adding his two cents and he's a non hearer too. I guess if you don't come to the table with technology and ways to promote certain members perspective theories then you get tossed to the curb. I am far too thick skinned and obnoxiously agressive to let them stop me from posting a lot of my own theories. It seems that's what it takes to be on this forum and get heard. Shameful exchange in many ways if you ask me. I am sorry you were treated badly and I do not endorse this kind of nasty lashing out to a new innocent person and you are welcome to add here any time in my opinion. If they want to boot me out for saying these things so be it!  With that having been said, I do find your theory interesting, but I can tell you that I do not have body sensations like some of the others on the forum. I only hear it in my ears and/or head. I can also say that my spouse has never heard my body vibrate or hum.  If it were something that caused the body to vibrate why would only some of us hear it or perceive it and not others? It seems to me that we humlings are apparently more sensitive than others. There are people in the world who can see colors that others cannot see and hear sounds and tone ranges that others cannot hear. This is all "scientifically" documented and well known. The fact that others do not hear it does not mean it is not there, and also does not mean that it must be from an internal source. Additionally, it does not mean that the other non hearers are not being impacted in some ways too, we just happen to be able to perceive it. I have always been sensitive to many things. I wonder if others on here also are extra sensitive in other ways or areas. I have posted many space sounds and earth sounds on here as well as even other possible earthly natural sources. From my perspective this has to be the real answer as to where my hum comes from. As you may have read I have posed that there could easily be more than one kind of hum for more than one kind of source. To say otherwise at this juncture would be an ignorant over statement. The natural force theory is the one that can be heard anywhere, even places with no technology, could impact or be perceived by only certain portions of the population, could explain why only certain geographic areas go quiet and others flare up. It explains why a source cannot be pin pointed easily and seems to be coming from everywhere, and also solves a lot of the descrepancies in most of the other theories posed here, in my opinion. This is my own pet theory, so you are dead balls on with your comment "we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force." if you ask me! There are many newly noticed things happening within and around the earth. Earth changes are occuring in areas and ways never before seen and are already being tracked by scientists, to ignore these angles as possibile sources for our hums is a bad approach and poorly performed scientific study, in my opinion.  The earth has shifted on it's axis, is having a lot of magnetic shifts, the sun is having huge flares like never before seen, the weather is off the charts in it severity, the increase in earth quakes in recent years has never been seen before, and the ice caps are melting to name just a few things that are currently going on within our mother earth. Something is causing the animals to die off by the thousands and millions, beaching whales and dolphins, birds falling from the sky by the hundreds at a time, lots of mass unexplained animal deaths world wide.  All of this joins together under the umbrella of natural earth sources and cannot be ignored. Since this is happening to all of these other areas of nature and the world why would we ever assume we are immune and that this cannot be the source of our hum. why must it be only from man made sources? All of these heavy earth changes have occurred only in more recent years as has our hum.
                    Suzie     ________________________________ From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "zorbasci@..." <zorbasci@...> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 10:03 PM Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum Hi to all, With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page. "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies." I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance.  In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here. When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider. Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force. This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research.  Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh. Mark S. Jordan scientist and non-hum hearerzorbasci@... ________________________________ From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...> To: humforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 8:45 PM Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum. Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess. --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@...> wrote: >From: Soozie <soozieqty1@...> >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand >To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com> >Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM > > > > > >Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it. > One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here. >Just my opinion again, no science needed! >Suzie > > > > >From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...> >To: humforum@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand > >  >I did listen to these. Very interesting! > >They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do.  Similar to this:   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554 > >The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times.  I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense? > > >--- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...> wrote: > > >>From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...> >>Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand >>To: humforum@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM >> >> >>Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings! >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#! >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related >> >>http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml >> >
                          
                  • Soozie
                    It s interesting to mention that when someone steps up on here claiming to be an expert or scientist, someone of supposed authority, their true identity is not
                    Message 9 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
                    • 0 Attachment
                      It's interesting to mention that when someone steps up on here claiming to be an expert or scientist, someone of supposed authority, their true identity is not known because it's the internet. It's in the govt's realm of ability to have their people monitor forums and chat rooms. Those same people can step up claiming to be in authority and knock down any theory that's in opposition to the path they want us to stay on and call the person posting the idea crazy or a kook. They can and do do this. This is documented and well known. Yeah I am talking about conspiracy and yeah we need to follow up on that rumor of sealed files or research that was stopped. I personally do not have the time for that kind of digging. I would really appreciate anyone who can take on this task. If there is truth to this at all we definately need to know the truth.
                      Suzie
                       

                      From: Copsne <c_o_p_s_ne@...>
                      To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 7:34 AM
                      Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                       
                      I think spmeone (john Dawes) mentioned awhile ago the second study report for Taos was stopped or sealed. I havent pursued what thats all about,  but maybe some one should (or already has)...
                      Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's
                      On Nov 2, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Pictoblu <pictoblu@...> wrote:
                       
                      Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum.

                      Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess.

                      --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@...> wrote:

                      From: Soozie <soozieqty1@...>
                      Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                      To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                      Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM



                      Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it.
                       One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here.
                      Just my opinion again, no science needed!
                      Suzie


                      From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                      To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM
                      Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                       
                      I did listen to these. Very interesting!

                      They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do.  Similar to this:   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554  

                      The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times.  I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense?


                      --- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...> wrote:

                      From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...>
                      Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                      To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM

                      Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings!

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#!

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related

                      http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml

                    • Pictoblu
                      Yes. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks Here s a preview: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social
                      Message 10 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
                      • 0 Attachment
                        Yes.

                        http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

                        Here's a preview:

                        Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

                        Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda

                        A Californian corporation has been awarded a contract with United States Central Command (Centcom), which oversees US armed operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, to develop what is described as an "online persona management service" that will allow one US serviceman or woman to control up to 10 separate identities based all over the world.



                        --- On Sat, 11/3/12, humupnorth <humupnorth@...> wrote:

                        From: humupnorth <humupnorth@...>
                        Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Frey's auditory effect & microwaves
                        To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 5:41 AM

                        Old news.  It's been demonstrated by American neuroscientist Allan Frey in 1962 that electromagnetic energy can induce the perception of sound in people.   Check the link below.

                        Well, I followed my own advice, and just read Frey's paper at the link below.  Glad I did, because what's news for me is that it also mentions the perception of "buffeting" of the head, and "pins & needles", sensations that I've experienced at times along with the Hum.  Although the cause wasn't obvious to me at the time, it's always been clear to me that it had to be an external source because I experienced this only at certain locations.

                        But as far as hearing other people's bodies "humming", we understand that dear "Mark Jordan" is laughing.

                        I agree Pictoblu, wonder how many aliases are involved here.
                        __________________________________________________________

                        http://www.raven1.net/frey.htm

                        Human auditory system response to Modulated electromagnetic energy.
                        ALLAN H Frey
                        General Electric Advanced Electronics Center
                        Cornell University, Ithaca, New York
                        1962

                        Using extremely low average power densities of electromagnetic energy, the perception of sounds was induced in normal and deaf humans.

                        With appropriate modulation, the perception of various sounds can be induced in clinically deaf, as well as normal, human subjects at a distance of inches up to thousands of feet from the transmitter. With somewhat different transmitter parameters, we can induce the perception of severe buffeting of the head, without such apparent vestibular symptoms as dizziness or nausea. Changing transmitter parameters again, one can induce a "pins-and -needles" sensation.
                        ______________________________________________


                        --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Pictoblu <pictoblu@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > I found the Sara T. Allen stuff from 1994, etc. at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html    JD put a link to that website up as recently as this past Sept.  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/humforum/message/15603  but I missed it.
                        >
                        > So, good try, Mark, but NO CIGAR FOR YOU!   Same for when you appear as Lasse and gtprfckup, and god knows who all else you are.  Now I know why you have specifically stated that you will NOT DISCUSS HAARP. This is so funny!
                        >
                        > Thanks so much for the steps that have led to the revelation that we are right! No wonder you pick on certain people! How many different people do you appear here as?
                        >
                        > People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Blissful ignorance and all that. Awareness, consciousness only causes problems, right?
                        >
                        > If anything out of the ordinary happens to me, auto
                        > accident, any accident, maimed, crippled, dead, I have instructed some
                        > people to be sure to let this group know. And we do know about
                        > radionics, as well.
                        >
                        > Thank you for your Service.
                        >
                        > Lots of Humming and Vibrating LOVE aimed right at you!
                        >
                        >
                        > --- On Sat, 11/3/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
                        > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM:   Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                        > To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 1:23 AM
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >         
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Thank you for the lengthy reply.  I am sorry but it appears that you have missed the point.
                        > This is not about me. The scientific method is extraneous to everyone and can be used by everyone. It is a tool, a method of investigation. My motives, beliefs, opinions, personality are not applicable or pertinent. Science is a system of logical deduction that must follow a well defined path. Not my choice or path but the scientific method.
                        >
                        > In the case of Steve. It is possible and even likely that his hum is caused by gas pipelines. If he observes standing waves in water, there is little doubt that some vibrational effect is occurring. My hypothesis suggests that these vibrations are possibly resulting in a hum when they propagate through his bones or other body parts. If other residents in his neighborhood hear the same hum, an external source is even more likely. However, if only he hears the hum, it is subjective and likely coming from inside his body even if the external cause is gas pipelines. My hypothesis only suggests that most humlings are hearing the effects of some external force on their bodies instead of some external sound or noise coming into their ear canals.
                        >
                        > If you hear a hum that no one else can here, can you at least admit that it is possible that the hum is coming from inside your own body? Can any of you demonstrate that it is coming from outside?
                        > I suggest that it is entirely possible that many hum hearers are projecting their inner sensations towards the external world. Don't take
                        >  offense. Projection is common function of the psyche. If the hum is a noise coming from the outside, it should decrease with intensity as you move away from the source.
                        >
                        > Mark S. Jordanzorbasci@...
                        >
                        >         From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                        >  To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                        >  Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 11:29 PM
                        >  Subject: HUM_FORUM:   Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                        >   
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >      
                        >       
                        >       
                        >       I really do need to do another internet detox, keep computer turned off for several days, do other things like before internet went online for the masses, but all this stuff is just too fascinating!
                        >
                        > Mark, of course your hypothesis is highly possible. Anything is possible, according to some. I don't remember what you came here for originally, nor my getting involved with anything you offered here in the past. Did I?
                        >
                        > Obviously there is a Force, an Energy, a Something, maybe several Forces, Energies, Somethings that is/are causing the Hum.
                        >
                        > However, no one who has been around me when I am hearing the Hum nor when I have been asleep has ever said that they hear me humming.
                        >
                        > Also, not one other Hum Hearer, over the course of the past 9 years that this group has been in existence, other than the kungfoobabe, has
                        >  ever said
                        >  that anyone they were sleeping with, or were just in the same room with, has ever heard their body humming. Or have they and I just missed it?
                        >
                        > Many group members have used all kinds of audio equipment, made recordings, but have never recorded an audible hum from their body nor anyone else's body. Or have they and we just missed it?
                        >
                        > Maybe Steve's body is humming so loudly that it's making his pool vibrate?:)
                        >
                        > Of course there can be a new gang of posts from all kinds of people come online here now saying that they have, but that's just how our world operates sometimes, right? :)
                        >
                        > So, Mark, just what is the Force, the Energy, the Something that you are suggesting could be able to cause a human body to hum so loudly that another human could hear it, other than electrosmog? That's been mentioned over and over and over again, and poo pooed over and over
                        >  again, even tho I think electrosmog is a likely suspect, among other likely suspects.  What makes us and the Hum so important to you that you devote time and energy to us? Have you been awarded a grant to study us? Have you been commissioned by another unknown to come here? Is there someone you care about who has asked you to figure this BS out?
                        >
                        > And quite frankly, Mark, you can hypothesize til the cows come home, but even if the cause(s) is(are) revealed, it will most likely cost millions/billions to fix it, if it's fixable. What's in it for you, if not relief from this annoying Hum?
                        >
                        > Anyways, thanks for your time and don't stop trying. Maybe one day soon you will be lucky enough to join our ranks as a Certified Hum Hearer.  It just might change your life, and your hypothesis! 
                        >
                        > Please remember, until kungfubabe came along, we have always been referred to as Hum Hearers, not People Who Hum. :)
                        >
                        > Here's your challenge, since you offered us one: Are you scientist enough to develop a blocking mechanism? Many have tried and no one has succeeded. That's what we need, something to block it, permanently.
                        >
                        > Peace, Love, and All The Best.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
                        > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM:   Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                        > To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Cc: "zorbasci@..." <zorbasci@...>
                        > Date: Friday, November 2,
                        >  2012, 11:03 PM
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >         
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Hi to all,
                        > With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.
                        >
                        > "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."
                        > I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting
                        >  guidelines. However, if you think it is
                        >  proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it
                        >  funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 
                        > In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.
                        >
                        > When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.
                        >
                        > Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external
                        >  hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.
                        >
                        > This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a
                        >  new avenue to
                        >  research. 
                        > Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.
                        > Mark S. Jordanscientist and non-hum hearer
                        > zorbasci@...
                        >




                        ------------------------------------

                        Posting Guidelines:

                        1.  The orientation of this forum is scientific, with everything that implies.  Reasoned and articulate criticism of ideas and theories is welcome.
                        2.  The following are not allowed:  personal attacks, gratuitous profanity, "kook" posts, and supernatural explanations.
                        3.  Limit posts to those that are necessary and have substantive content.  In general, no more than three per person per day.
                        4.  If you hear the Hum, please post your location at:   www.frappr.com/humhearersYahoo! Groups Links

                        <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
                            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humforum/

                        <*> Your email settings:
                            Individual Email | Traditional

                        <*> To change settings online go to:
                            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humforum/join
                            (Yahoo! ID required)

                        <*> To change settings via email:
                            humforum-digest@yahoogroups.com
                            humforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com

                        <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
                            humforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

                        <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
                            http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

                      • Pictoblu
                        Sandra, Yes, you re so right. I will be sure to pay attention to the West, and what I may detect coming from that direction. IIRC, Dr. Hills, Christopher
                        Message 11 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
                        • 0 Attachment
                          Sandra,

                          Yes, you re so right. I will be sure to pay attention to the West, and what I may detect coming from that direction. IIRC, Dr. Hills, Christopher Hills, mentions the East/West Flow when he discusses natural magnetic fields. The Hum emanating from Westward direction might be done with intent to disrupt the East West flow. Don't know. Just another guess.

                          All the best, Julie

                          --- On Sat, 11/3/12, Sandra Shultz <sandnella@...> wrote:

                          From: Sandra Shultz <sandnella@...>
                          Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                          To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 7:34 AM



                          Blu,
                           
                          I'm with you ....Has anyone noticed the change in weather around the world??  HAARP has been experimenting with the  ionosphere for as many years as the Hum existed.  The Chinese and the Russians have a program identical to HAARP.  Strange isn't it ?  Now we are getting small tropical storms turning into monster storms in a matter of hours.  Global Warming doesn't work that way.  Oil fields in LA., N.Y. City???  If this trend continues, we(the US) will be destroyed financially.  Think about it......
                           
                          I have a friend...His brother is a US scientist....His brother refused to even discuss the HUM (I asked as a favor).  Strange again isn't it???  
                           
                          Time will tell what " Scientist " have in store for the world.  Am I an alarmist ?  You betcha !    Something is messing with "Mother Nature" and it's not global warming.  If this is " National Defense"....Not a thing can be done about it by the average citizen. 
                           
                          I moved from a location where the Hum was very loud.....Now I hardly hear it....Only in the Winter months coming from the West.  Only a mummer.  If I could move away from the Hum....It's external not internal.
                           
                          Living in the US, I'm entitled to an opinion....This is mine.  I believe anything is a possibility in the strange angry world man had created.
                           
                          Be well all.....  
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                          -------Original Message-------
                           
                          From: Pictoblu
                          Date: 11/3/2012 12:51:01 AM
                          Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                           
                           

                          I found the Sara T. Allen stuff from 1994, etc. at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html    JD put a link to that website up as recently as this past Sept.  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/humforum/message/15603  but I missed it.

                          So, good try, Mark, but NO CIGAR FOR YOU!   Same for when you appear as Lasse and gtprfckup, and god knows who all else you are.  Now I know why you have specifically stated that you will NOT DISCUSS HAARP. This is so funny!

                          Thanks so much for the steps that have led to the revelation that we are right! No wonder you pick on certain people! How many different people do you appear here as?

                          People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Blissful ignorance and all that. Awareness, consciousness only causes problems, right?

                          If anything out of the ordinary happens to me, auto accident, any accident, maimed, crippled, dead, I have instructed some people to be sure to let this group know. And we do know about radionics, as well.

                          Thank you for your Service.

                          Lots of Humming and Vibrating LOVE aimed right at you!


                          --- On Sat, 11/3/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:

                          From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
                          Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                          To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                          Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 1:23 AM



                          Thank you for the lengthy reply.  I am sorry but it appears that you have missed the point.
                          This is not about me. The scientific method is extraneous to everyone and can be used by everyone. It is a tool, a method of investigation. My motives, beliefs, opinions, personality are not applicable or pertinent. Science is a system of logical deduction that must follow a well defined path. Not my choice or path but the scientific method.

                          In the case of Steve. It is possible and even likely that his hum is caused by gas pipelines. If he observes standing waves in water, there is little doubt that some vibrational effect is occurring. My hypothesis suggests that these vibrations are possibly resulting in a hum when they propagate through his bones or other body parts. If other residents in his neighborhood hear the same hum, an external source is even more likely. However, if only he hears the hum, it is subjective and likely coming from inside his body even if the external cause is gas pipelines. My hypothesis only suggests that most humlings are hearing the effects of some external force on their bodies instead of some external sound or noise coming into their ear canals.

                          If you hear a hum that no one else can here, can you at least admit that it is possible that the hum is coming from inside your own body? Can any of you demonstrate that it is coming from outside?

                          I suggest that it is entirely possible that many hum hearers are projecting their inner sensations towards the external world. Don't take offense. Projection is common function of the psyche. If the hum is a noise coming from the outside, it should decrease with intensity as you move away from the source.

                          Mark S. Jordan
                          zorbasci@...


                          From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                          To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 11:29 PM
                          Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum

                           
                          I really do need to do another internet detox, keep computer turned off for several days, do other things like before internet went online for the masses, but all this stuff is just too fascinating!

                          Mark, of course your hypothesis is highly possible. Anything is possible, according to some. I don't remember what you came here for originally, nor my getting involved with anything you offered here in the past. Did I?

                          Obviously there is a Force, an Energy, a Something, maybe several Forces, Energies, Somethings that is/are causing the Hum.

                          However, no one who has been around me when I am hearing the Hum nor when I have been asleep has ever said that they hear me humming.

                          Also, not one other Hum Hearer, over the course of the past 9 years that this group has been in existence, other than the kungfoobabe, has ever said that anyone they were sleeping with, or were just in the same room with, has ever heard their body humming. Or have they and I just missed it?

                          Many group members have used all kinds of audio equipment, made recordings, but have never recorded an audible hum from their body nor anyone else's body. Or have they and we just missed it?

                          Maybe Steve's body is humming so loudly that it's making his pool vibrate?:)

                          Of course there can be a new gang of posts from all kinds of people come online here now saying that they have, but that's just how our world operates sometimes, right? :)

                          So, Mark, just what is the Force, the Energy, the Something that you are suggesting could be able to cause a human body to hum so loudly that another human could hear it, other than electrosmog? That's been mentioned over and over and over again, and poo pooed over and over again, even tho I think electrosmog is a likely suspect, among other likely suspects.  What makes us and the Hum so important to you that you devote time and energy to us? Have you been awarded a grant to study us? Have you been commissioned by another unknown to come here? Is there someone you care about who has asked you to figure this BS out?

                          And quite frankly, Mark, you can hypothesize til the cows come home, but even if the cause(s) is(are) revealed, it will most likely cost millions/billions to fix it, if it's fixable. What's in it for you, if not relief from this annoying Hum?

                          Anyways, thanks for your time and don't stop trying. Maybe one day soon you will be lucky enough to join our ranks as a Certified Hum Hearer.  It just might change your life, and your hypothesis! 

                          Please remember, until kungfubabe came along, we have always been referred to as Hum Hearers, not People Who Hum. :)

                          Here's your challenge, since you offered us one: Are you scientist enough to develop a blocking mechanism? Many have tried and no one has succeeded. That's what we need, something to block it, permanently.

                          Peace, Love, and All The Best.




                          --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:

                          From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
                          Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                          To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                          Cc: "zorbasci@..." <zorbasci@...>
                          Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 11:03 PM



                          Hi to all,

                          With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.

                          "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."

                          I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 

                          In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.

                          When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.

                          Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.

                          This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research. 

                          Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.

                          Mark S. Jordan
                          scientist and non-hum hearer
                          zorbasci@...





                           




                        • Soozie
                          Blu and Sandy,  Count me in on this angle, I agree. It is totally possible that HAARP could be the source of the hum, but that would be the only known
                          Message 12 of 27 , Nov 3, 2012
                          • 0 Attachment
                            Blu and Sandy,
                             Count me in on this angle, I agree. It is totally possible that HAARP could be the source of the hum, but that would be the only known possible technological source in my opinion. I say this based on the reality that the hum is world wide and being heard outside of technology drenched areas. I underlined "known" to cover the strong possibility that their may be unknown technology being used.
                             I have not instructed anyone to report to any group in the event of my harm or demise, nor will I because they will do what they feel they must do, and so will I! Writen with a smile! If I die at their hands I promise to become a wraith that they will never get rid of! There's more than one way to skin a cat! Just my opinion!
                            Blessings to all,
                            Suzie

                            From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                            To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:50 PM
                            Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                            Sandra,

                            Yes, you re so right. I will be sure to pay attention to the West, and what I may detect coming from that direction. IIRC, Dr. Hills, Christopher Hills, mentions the East/West Flow when he discusses natural magnetic fields. The Hum emanating from Westward direction might be done with intent to disrupt the East West flow. Don't know. Just another guess.

                            All the best, Julie

                            --- On Sat, 11/3/12, Sandra Shultz <sandnella@...> wrote:

                            From: Sandra Shultz <sandnella@...>
                            Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                            To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 7:34 AM

                            Blu,
                             
                            I'm with you ....Has anyone noticed the change in weather around the world??  HAARP has been experimenting with the  ionosphere for as many years as the Hum existed.  The Chinese and the Russians have a program identical to HAARP.  Strange isn't it ?  Now we are getting small tropical storms turning into monster storms in a matter of hours.  Global Warming doesn't work that way.  Oil fields in LA., N.Y. City???  If this trend continues, we(the US) will be destroyed financially.  Think about it......
                             
                            I have a friend...His brother is a US scientist....His brother refused to even discuss the HUM (I asked as a favor).  Strange again isn't it???  
                             
                            Time will tell what " Scientist " have in store for the world.  Am I an alarmist ?  You betcha !    Something is messing with "Mother Nature" and it's not global warming.  If this is " National Defense"....Not a thing can be done about it by the average citizen. 
                             
                            I moved from a location where the Hum was very loud.....Now I hardly hear it....Only in the Winter months coming from the West.  Only a mummer.  If I could move away from the Hum....It's external not internal.
                             
                            Living in the US, I'm entitled to an opinion....This is mine.  I believe anything is a possibility in the strange angry world man had created.
                             
                            Be well all.....  
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                            -------Original Message-------
                             
                            From: Pictoblu
                            Date: 11/3/2012 12:51:01 AM
                            Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                             
                             
                            I found the Sara T. Allen stuff from 1994, etc. at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html    JD put a link to that website up as recently as this past Sept.  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/humforum/message/15603  but I missed it.

                            So, good try, Mark, but NO CIGAR FOR YOU!   Same for when you appear as Lasse and gtprfckup, and god knows who all else you are.  Now I know why you have specifically stated that you will NOT DISCUSS HAARP. This is so funny!

                            Thanks so much for the steps that have led to the revelation that we are right! No wonder you pick on certain people! How many different people do you appear here as?

                            People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Blissful ignorance and all that. Awareness, consciousness only causes problems, right?

                            If anything out of the ordinary happens to me, auto accident, any accident, maimed, crippled, dead, I have instructed some people to be sure to let this group know. And we do know about radionics, as well.

                            Thank you for your Service.

                            Lots of Humming and Vibrating LOVE aimed right at you!


                            --- On Sat, 11/3/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:

                            From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
                            Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                            To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                            Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 1:23 AM



                            Thank you for the lengthy reply.  I am sorry but it appears that you have missed the point.
                            This is not about me. The scientific method is extraneous to everyone and can be used by everyone. It is a tool, a method of investigation. My motives, beliefs, opinions, personality are not applicable or pertinent. Science is a system of logical deduction that must follow a well defined path. Not my choice or path but the scientific method.

                            In the case of Steve. It is possible and even likely that his hum is caused by gas pipelines. If he observes standing waves in water, there is little doubt that some vibrational effect is occurring. My hypothesis suggests that these vibrations are possibly resulting in a hum when they propagate through his bones or other body parts. If other residents in his neighborhood hear the same hum, an external source is even more likely. However, if only he hears the hum, it is subjective and likely coming from inside his body even if the external cause is gas pipelines. My hypothesis only suggests that most humlings are hearing the effects of some external force on their bodies instead of some external sound or noise coming into their ear canals.

                            If you hear a hum that no one else can here, can you at least admit that it is possible that the hum is coming from inside your own body? Can any of you demonstrate that it is coming from outside?

                            I suggest that it is entirely possible that many hum hearers are projecting their inner sensations towards the external world. Don't take offense. Projection is common function of the psyche. If the hum is a noise coming from the outside, it should decrease with intensity as you move away from the source.

                            Mark S. Jordan
                            zorbasci@...

                            From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                            To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 11:29 PM
                            Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum

                             
                            I really do need to do another internet detox, keep computer turned off for several days, do other things like before internet went online for the masses, but all this stuff is just too fascinating!

                            Mark, of course your hypothesis is highly possible. Anything is possible, according to some. I don't remember what you came here for originally, nor my getting involved with anything you offered here in the past. Did I?

                            Obviously there is a Force, an Energy, a Something, maybe several Forces, Energies, Somethings that is/are causing the Hum.

                            However, no one who has been around me when I am hearing the Hum nor when I have been asleep has ever said that they hear me humming.

                            Also, not one other Hum Hearer, over the course of the past 9 years that this group has been in existence, other than the kungfoobabe, has ever said that anyone they were sleeping with, or were just in the same room with, has ever heard their body humming. Or have they and I just missed it?

                            Many group members have used all kinds of audio equipment, made recordings, but have never recorded an audible hum from their body nor anyone else's body. Or have they and we just missed it?

                            Maybe Steve's body is humming so loudly that it's making his pool vibrate?:)

                            Of course there can be a new gang of posts from all kinds of people come online here now saying that they have, but that's just how our world operates sometimes, right? :)

                            So, Mark, just what is the Force, the Energy, the Something that you are suggesting could be able to cause a human body to hum so loudly that another human could hear it, other than electrosmog? That's been mentioned over and over and over again, and poo pooed over and over again, even tho I think electrosmog is a likely suspect, among other likely suspects.  What makes us and the Hum so important to you that you devote time and energy to us? Have you been awarded a grant to study us? Have you been commissioned by another unknown to come here? Is there someone you care about who has asked you to figure this BS out?

                            And quite frankly, Mark, you can hypothesize til the cows come home, but even if the cause(s) is(are) revealed, it will most likely cost millions/billions to fix it, if it's fixable. What's in it for you, if not relief from this annoying Hum?

                            Anyways, thanks for your time and don't stop trying. Maybe one day soon you will be lucky enough to join our ranks as a Certified Hum Hearer.  It just might change your life, and your hypothesis! 

                            Please remember, until kungfubabe came along, we have always been referred to as Hum Hearers, not People Who Hum. :)

                            Here's your challenge, since you offered us one: Are you scientist enough to develop a blocking mechanism? Many have tried and no one has succeeded. That's what we need, something to block it, permanently.

                            Peace, Love, and All The Best.




                            --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:

                            From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...>
                            Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                            To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                            Cc: "zorbasci@..." <zorbasci@...>
                            Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 11:03 PM



                            Hi to all,

                            With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.

                            "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."

                            I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 

                            In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.

                            When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.

                            Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.

                            This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research. 

                            Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.

                            Mark S. Jordan
                            scientist and non-hum hearer
                            zorbasci@...





                             


                          • lidia1313
                            I have found an interesting study on microwaves effects on people, which makes me think the Hum (or least my Hum) is produced by pulsed microwave radiation at
                            Message 13 of 27 , Nov 4, 2012
                            • 0 Attachment
                              I have found an interesting study on microwaves effects on people, which makes me think the Hum (or least my Hum) is produced by pulsed microwave radiation at a very low frequency. I would be interested to hear some opinions of people who are knowleadgeable on this subject. In any case, this is an excerpt of a paper written by an ex-NASA scientist, physicist, who also quoted this information from:

                              Lin, James C., Microwave Auditory Effects and Applications, Charles C. Thomas, 1978.
                              Barron, Charles I. and Albert A. Baraff, "Medical Considerations of Exposure to Microwaves (RADAR)," Journal of the
                              American Medical Association, Vol. 168, No. 9, pp. 1194–1199, November 1, 1958.
                              Milroy, William C. and Sol M. Michaelson, "Biological Effects of Microwave Radiation," Health Physics, pp. 567–575, Vol.
                              20, June 1971.


                              Here is the interesting part (I omit the rest as it is no relevant to the Hum case. Please also consider that some people can hear a high-pitched tone, along with the Hum):

                              "Generally speaking, it has been shown
                              experimentally that people are able to hear pulsed microwaves from 200 to 3,000 MHz with peak power densities of
                              300 mW/cm2 and average power densities as low as 0.4 mW/cm2 with pulse widths of 1 to 100 microseconds (µsec).
                              As the shape of the response curve is a steep-sided mesa, the range of pulse width is probably about 10 to 40 µsec.
                              In terms of average power density, the threshold is approximately 120µ
                              W/cm2 . Therefore, very low-intensity,
                              microwave radiation pulsed at 50 to 100 cycles per second would be "heard" and aptly described as humming.
                              Experiments with animals showed that cats were 20 to 30% more sensitive than people, but one dog tested was 5 times more sensitive.

                              An entirely different mechanism, known as the thermoplastic process, appears to be responsible for the high
                              pitch sounds. Absorption of energy in biological tissue produces an extremely small increase in temperature. Due to
                              thermal expansion of the tissue, a corresponding increase in pressure is produced that then propagates through the
                              medium as a sound wave. A microwave pulse impinging upon the head thereby creates a pressure wave that
                              propagates through the skin, muscle, bone, and brain tissue and reverberates inside the cranium. These vibrations are
                              carried by bone conduction to register as sound in the auditory nerve. Microprobes have been surgically implanted
                              in the auditory nerves of animals to measure the frequencies of pulses stimulated by this mechanism. It has been
                              found that the frequency depends only upon the size of the head and the acoustical properties of brain tissue. An
                              extremely intricate, theoretical analysis by Dr. James C. Lin accurately duplicates the experimental data for guinea
                              pigs and cats.10 For example, the calculated frequency for cats ranged from 30 to 40 kHz, whereas the measured
                              value was 38 kHz. The measured value for cats is within their normal hearing range, up to 60 kHz, but well beyond
                              the limit of human hearing at 20 kHz. The calculated threshold for cats was 589 mW/cm2 for a head radius of 3 cm.
                              For a man with a head radius of 7 cm., the calculated frequency range from 10 to 15 kHz based upon theoretical
                              models expected to yield upper and lower limits. The calculated threshold for man, 2183 mW/cm2 , is extremely high
                              compared to safety limits in the U.S. for short-term exposure of only 10 mW/cm2 . Anyone hearing a shrill whistle
                              from a UFO would be in serious danger.
                              Thus, experiment and theory show that the pitch perceived from impinging microwave pulses result from two
                              distinctly different mechanisms. At weak intensities and pulse rates in the low audio range, the pulses directly
                              stimulate the inner ear and are interpreted as humming sounds. For very intensive radiation pulses, pressure waves
                              reverberate inside the head creating the impression of high pitch whistles. No known mechanism produces tones of
                              intermediate frequencies."

                              This would explain why many Hum hearers also have body vibrations, while no one around them can detect vibrating surfaces. (I exclude here the Hum produced by gas pipelines where the vibrations are clearly seen in water pools or felt on the floor even by non-hearers).

                              I this is true, then we are being consistently microwaved at a very low frequency. The implications can be frightening.
                              The RADAR systems are using microwaves, there are even microwave RADAR loaded helicopters, which could explain why prior to the Hum many people hear a low tone of a plane or a helicopter passing overhead.
                              Think about other potential sources of microwave radiation... Coaxal and cable TV etc., etc.
                              If the Hum reports have been since the 1960s, RADARS can be a possible culprit.

                              To Marc Jordan, I would give some more details:
                              From personal experience, I feel alleviation from the Hum vibrations in a bathtub (does immersing in water give alleviation from microwaves?). But as soon as I get out, still with wet feet, I feel even more vibrations in the feet. Microwaves effects on the body?
                              Also, the Hum here was 0 for about 3 days, and the vibrations from 0 to 1. We had an extremely quiet period of no-fly of aircrafts above the area. It also coinsided with the many fireworks displays for Diwali, Halloween and the Bonfire night. So no Hum during this period.

                              P.S. Being on a spinach diet has helped me recently to reduce the vibrations felt from the Hum, which makes me think that iron deficiency could also play some role.

                              Thanks for reading,
                              Regards,
                              Lidia (London)

                              --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "humupnorth" <humupnorth@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Old news. It's been demonstrated by American neuroscientist Allan Frey in 1962 that electromagnetic energy can induce the perception of sound in people. Check the link below.
                              >
                              > Well, I followed my own advice, and just read Frey's paper at the link below. Glad I did, because what's news for me is that it also mentions the perception of "buffeting" of the head, and "pins & needles", sensations that I've experienced at times along with the Hum. Although the cause wasn't obvious to me at the time, it's always been clear to me that it had to be an external source because I experienced this only at certain locations.
                              >
                              > But as far as hearing other people's bodies "humming", we understand that dear "Mark Jordan" is laughing.
                              >
                              > I agree Pictoblu, wonder how many aliases are involved here.
                              > __________________________________________________________
                              >
                              > http://www.raven1.net/frey.htm
                              >
                              > Human auditory system response to Modulated electromagnetic energy.
                              > ALLAN H Frey
                              > General Electric Advanced Electronics Center
                              > Cornell University, Ithaca, New York
                              > 1962
                              >
                              > Using extremely low average power densities of electromagnetic energy, the perception of sounds was induced in normal and deaf humans.
                              >
                              > With appropriate modulation, the perception of various sounds can be induced in clinically deaf, as well as normal, human subjects at a distance of inches up to thousands of feet from the transmitter. With somewhat different transmitter parameters, we can induce the perception of severe buffeting of the head, without such apparent vestibular symptoms as dizziness or nausea. Changing transmitter parameters again, one can induce a "pins-and -needles" sensation.
                              > ______________________________________________
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Pictoblu <pictoblu@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > I found the Sara T. Allen stuff from 1994, etc. at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0 JD put a link to that website up as recently as this past Sept.  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/humforum/message/15603%c2%a0 but I missed it.
                              > >
                              > > So, good try, Mark, but NO CIGAR FOR YOU!   Same for when you appear as Lasse and gtprfckup, and god knows who all else you are.  Now I know why you have specifically stated that you will NOT DISCUSS HAARP. This is so funny!
                              > >
                              > > Thanks so much for the steps that have led to the revelation that we are right! No wonder you pick on certain people! How many different people do you appear here as?
                              > >
                              > > People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Blissful ignorance and all that. Awareness, consciousness only causes problems, right?
                              > >
                              > > If anything out of the ordinary happens to me, auto
                              > > accident, any accident, maimed, crippled, dead, I have instructed some
                              > > people to be sure to let this group know. And we do know about
                              > > radionics, as well.
                              > >
                              > > Thank you for your Service.
                              > >
                              > > Lots of Humming and Vibrating LOVE aimed right at you!
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- On Sat, 11/3/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@>
                              > > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                              > > To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 1:23 AM
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Thank you for the lengthy reply.  I am sorry but it appears that you have missed the point.
                              > > This is not about me. The scientific method is extraneous to everyone and can be used by everyone. It is a tool, a method of investigation. My motives, beliefs, opinions, personality are not applicable or pertinent. Science is a system of logical deduction that must follow a well defined path. Not my choice or path but the scientific method.
                              > >
                              > > In the case of Steve. It is possible and even likely that his hum is caused by gas pipelines. If he observes standing waves in water, there is little doubt that some vibrational effect is occurring. My hypothesis suggests that these vibrations are possibly resulting in a hum when they propagate through his bones or other body parts. If other residents in his neighborhood hear the same hum, an external source is even more likely. However, if only he hears the hum, it is subjective and likely coming from inside his body even if the external cause is gas pipelines. My hypothesis only suggests that most humlings are hearing the effects of some external force on their bodies instead of some external sound or noise coming into their ear canals.
                              > >
                              > > If you hear a hum that no one else can here, can you at least admit that it is possible that the hum is coming from inside your own body? Can any of you demonstrate that it is coming from outside?
                              > > I suggest that it is entirely possible that many hum hearers are projecting their inner sensations towards the external world. Don't take
                              > > offense. Projection is common function of the psyche. If the hum is a noise coming from the outside, it should decrease with intensity as you move away from the source.
                              > >
                              > > Mark S. Jordanzorbasci@
                              > >
                              > > From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@>
                              > > To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 11:29 PM
                              > > Subject: HUM_FORUM: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >  
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > I really do need to do another internet detox, keep computer turned off for several days, do other things like before internet went online for the masses, but all this stuff is just too fascinating!
                              > >
                              > > Mark, of course your hypothesis is highly possible. Anything is possible, according to some. I don't remember what you came here for originally, nor my getting involved with anything you offered here in the past. Did I?
                              > >
                              > > Obviously there is a Force, an Energy, a Something, maybe several Forces, Energies, Somethings that is/are causing the Hum.
                              > >
                              > > However, no one who has been around me when I am hearing the Hum nor when I have been asleep has ever said that they hear me humming.
                              > >
                              > > Also, not one other Hum Hearer, over the course of the past 9 years that this group has been in existence, other than the kungfoobabe, has
                              > > ever said
                              > > that anyone they were sleeping with, or were just in the same room with, has ever heard their body humming. Or have they and I just missed it?
                              > >
                              > > Many group members have used all kinds of audio equipment, made recordings, but have never recorded an audible hum from their body nor anyone else's body. Or have they and we just missed it?
                              > >
                              > > Maybe Steve's body is humming so loudly that it's making his pool vibrate?:)
                              > >
                              > > Of course there can be a new gang of posts from all kinds of people come online here now saying that they have, but that's just how our world operates sometimes, right? :)
                              > >
                              > > So, Mark, just what is the Force, the Energy, the Something that you are suggesting could be able to cause a human body to hum so loudly that another human could hear it, other than electrosmog? That's been mentioned over and over and over again, and poo pooed over and over
                              > > again, even tho I think electrosmog is a likely suspect, among other likely suspects.  What makes us and the Hum so important to you that you devote time and energy to us? Have you been awarded a grant to study us? Have you been commissioned by another unknown to come here? Is there someone you care about who has asked you to figure this BS out?
                              > >
                              > > And quite frankly, Mark, you can hypothesize til the cows come home, but even if the cause(s) is(are) revealed, it will most likely cost millions/billions to fix it, if it's fixable. What's in it for you, if not relief from this annoying Hum?
                              > >
                              > > Anyways, thanks for your time and don't stop trying. Maybe one day soon you will be lucky enough to join our ranks as a Certified Hum Hearer.  It just might change your life, and your hypothesis! 
                              > >
                              > > Please remember, until kungfubabe came along, we have always been referred to as Hum Hearers, not People Who Hum. :)
                              > >
                              > > Here's your challenge, since you offered us one: Are you scientist enough to develop a blocking mechanism? Many have tried and no one has succeeded. That's what we need, something to block it, permanently.
                              > >
                              > > Peace, Love, and All The Best.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > From: Mark Jordan <zorbasci@>
                              > > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand/ Scientific Forum
                              > > To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > Cc: "zorbasci@" <zorbasci@>
                              > > Date: Friday, November 2,
                              > > 2012, 11:03 PM
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Hi to all,
                              > > With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.
                              > >
                              > > "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."
                              > > I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting
                              > > guidelines. However, if you think it is
                              > > proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it
                              > > funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 
                              > > In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.
                              > >
                              > > When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.
                              > >
                              > > Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external
                              > > hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.
                              > >
                              > > This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a
                              > > new avenue to
                              > > research. 
                              > > Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.
                              > > Mark S. Jordanscientist and non-hum hearer
                              > > zorbasci@
                              > >
                              >
                            • Steve Kohlhase
                              Yeah, I suspect monitoring of my comments by the groups I am engaging here. But I hide nothing and yet to be proven wrong. ________________________________
                              Message 14 of 27 , Nov 4, 2012
                              • 0 Attachment
                                Yeah, I suspect monitoring of my comments by the groups I am engaging here. But I hide nothing and yet to be proven wrong.

                                From: Soozie <soozieqty1@...>
                                To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 9:57 AM
                                Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                 
                                It's interesting to mention that when someone steps up on here claiming to be an expert or scientist, someone of supposed authority, their true identity is not known because it's the internet. It's in the govt's realm of ability to have their people monitor forums and chat rooms. Those same people can step up claiming to be in authority and knock down any theory that's in opposition to the path they want us to stay on and call the person posting the idea crazy or a kook. They can and do do this. This is documented and well known. Yeah I am talking about conspiracy and yeah we need to follow up on that rumor of sealed files or research that was stopped. I personally do not have the time for that kind of digging. I would really appreciate anyone who can take on this task. If there is truth to this at all we definately need to know the truth.
                                Suzie
                                 

                                From: Copsne <c_o_p_s_ne@...>
                                To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 7:34 AM
                                Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                 
                                I think spmeone (john Dawes) mentioned awhile ago the second study report for Taos was stopped or sealed. I havent pursued what thats all about,  but maybe some one should (or already has)...
                                Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's
                                On Nov 2, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Pictoblu <pictoblu@...> wrote:
                                 
                                Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum.

                                Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess.

                                --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@...> wrote:

                                From: Soozie <soozieqty1@...>
                                Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                                Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM



                                Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it.
                                 One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here.
                                Just my opinion again, no science needed!
                                Suzie


                                From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                                To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM
                                Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                 
                                I did listen to these. Very interesting!

                                They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do.  Similar to this:   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554  

                                The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times.  I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense?


                                --- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...> wrote:

                                From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...>
                                Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM

                                Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings!

                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#!

                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related

                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related

                                http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml

                              • Danyele
                                I think until something is ruled out, it should be considered a possibility. I hear it, my better half hears it, several in our area hear it, and on several
                                Message 15 of 27 , Nov 6, 2012
                                • 0 Attachment
                                  I think until something is ruled out, it should be considered a possibility. I hear it, my better half hears it, several in our area hear it, and on several caving trips (bloomington and bedford indiana) about 1/2 of the groups we took caving last month heard it underground. Note: the 'hum' was very loud and noticeable in the larger rooms and not so much in the tighter passages. Solid limestone in the area.

                                  I'm leaning now towards grain drying silos, but will keeping working on the origin when the hum returns until I have a 100% definite answer.

                                  On a side note: I have noticed quite a bit of hostility in some folks on here. I know most are at their wits end with medical/sleep issues arising from these hums, but come on people - why attack someone who is just trying to help? And if someone does seem to deserve an angry response just ignore them and they will (hopefully) eventually quit posting. Just my two cents (please don't yell at me for it) :-)



                                  --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Hi to all,
                                  >
                                  > With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."
                                  >
                                  > I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 
                                  >
                                  > In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research. 
                                  >
                                  > Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.
                                  >
                                  > Mark S. Jordan
                                  > scientist and non-hum hearer
                                  >
                                  > zorbasci@...
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ________________________________
                                  > From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                                  > To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 8:45 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >  
                                  > Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum.
                                  >
                                  > Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess.
                                  >
                                  > --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > >From: Soozie <soozieqty1@...>
                                  > >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                  > >To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > >Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it.
                                  > > One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here.
                                  > >Just my opinion again, no science needed!
                                  > >Suzie
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                                  > >To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                  > >Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM
                                  > >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                  > >
                                  > > 
                                  > >I did listen to these. Very interesting!
                                  > >
                                  > >They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do.  Similar to this:   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554%c3%82%c2%a0%c3%82%c2%a0
                                  > >
                                  > >The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times.  I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense?
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >--- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >>From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...>
                                  > >>Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                  > >>To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                  > >>Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM
                                  > >>
                                  > >>
                                  > >>Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings!
                                  > >>
                                  > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#!
                                  > >>
                                  > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related
                                  > >>
                                  > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related
                                  > >>
                                  > >>http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml
                                  > >>
                                  > >
                                  >
                                • Copsne
                                  Danyele I am so thrilled to hear your cave report. One of the consequences I believe of the ground born , surface waves of the hum from the gas lines is it s
                                  Message 16 of 27 , Nov 6, 2012
                                  • 0 Attachment
                                    Danyele I am so thrilled to hear your cave report. One of the consequences I believe of the ground born , surface waves of the hum from the gas lines is it's impact on bat hibernation disruption. I have tried to get into bat caves where the bat population is extinct due to what is claimed White nose syndrome with unanswered questions why bats are  aroused and not hibernating in the winter and fly at the cave opening, getting weakened. I've even communicated with a group of cave spelunckers in CT to do research where they go near where WNS caves are near Howes Cavern NY. 

                                     It is my theory in the "halls" the hum and the vibration of the perches is the root cause. And yes if you plot most of the bat WNS locations east of the Mississippi river they are close to high pressure gas lines. The reasonce is like what I experience in the basement of my office building

                                    If you watch the taos hum episode on unexplained mysteries on you tube, the guy there too hears it worse underground in a mining tunnel in MI

                                    Thanks again

                                    Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's

                                    On Nov 6, 2012, at 2:03 PM, "Danyele" <dcottrel@...> wrote:

                                     

                                    I think until something is ruled out, it should be considered a possibility. I hear it, my better half hears it, several in our area hear it, and on several caving trips (bloomington and bedford indiana) about 1/2 of the groups we took caving last month heard it underground. Note: the 'hum' was very loud and noticeable in the larger rooms and not so much in the tighter passages. Solid limestone in the area.

                                    I'm leaning now towards grain drying silos, but will keeping working on the origin when the hum returns until I have a 100% definite answer.

                                    On a side note: I have noticed quite a bit of hostility in some folks on here. I know most are at their wits end with medical/sleep issues arising from these hums, but come on people - why attack someone who is just trying to help? And if someone does seem to deserve an angry response just ignore them and they will (hopefully) eventually quit posting. Just my two cents (please don't yell at me for it) :-)

                                    --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Hi to all,
                                    >
                                    > With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."
                                    >
                                    > I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance. 
                                    >
                                    > In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research. 
                                    >
                                    > Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.
                                    >
                                    > Mark S. Jordan
                                    > scientist and non-hum hearer
                                    >
                                    > zorbasci@...
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ________________________________
                                    > From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                                    > To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 8:45 PM
                                    > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >  
                                    > Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum.
                                    >
                                    > Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess.
                                    >
                                    > --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > >From: Soozie <soozieqty1@...>
                                    > >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                    > >To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > >Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it.
                                    > > One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here.
                                    > >Just my opinion again, no science needed!
                                    > >Suzie
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@...>
                                    > >To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM
                                    > >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                    > >
                                    > > 
                                    > >I did listen to these. Very interesting!
                                    > >
                                    > >They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do.  Similar to this:   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554  
                                    > >
                                    > >The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times.  I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense?
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >--- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >>From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@...>
                                    > >>Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                    > >>To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >>Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >>Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings!
                                    > >>
                                    > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#!
                                    > >>
                                    > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related
                                    > >>
                                    > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related
                                    > >>
                                    > >>http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml
                                    > >>
                                    > >
                                    >

                                    Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (23)
                                    .
                                  • Danyele
                                    I am somewhat involved in the WNS studies - it was first seen in bats in our area Feb. 2011. There definitely is a fungus involved, we ve seen it on the bats
                                    Message 17 of 27 , Nov 7, 2012
                                    • 0 Attachment
                                      I am somewhat involved in the WNS studies - it was first seen in bats in our area Feb. 2011. There definitely is a fungus involved, we've seen it on the bats and in samples of dirt around cave entrances and on non-decontaminated clothing that has been worn in affected caves
                                      .
                                      From what I have seen and studied, I don't think there is any correlation between the hum lowering bats immunities to the fungus. This is a newly identified species of fungus found in the NE and spreading along bat migratory paths. When you pull up the migration paths of affected species it is almost an exact copy of cave areas which have WNS.

                                      I'm not ruling out the hum though as a means of disrupting the hibernation of the bats. I'll check into that as we are nearing hibernation right now.



                                      --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Copsne <c_o_p_s_ne@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Danyele I am so thrilled to hear your cave report. One of the consequences I believe of the ground born , surface waves of the hum from the gas lines is it's impact on bat hibernation disruption. I have tried to get into bat caves where the bat population is extinct due to what is claimed White nose syndrome with unanswered questions why bats are aroused and not hibernating in the winter and fly at the cave opening, getting weakened. I've even communicated with a group of cave spelunckers in CT to do research where they go near where WNS caves are near Howes Cavern NY.
                                      >
                                      > It is my theory in the "halls" the hum and the vibration of the perches is the root cause. And yes if you plot most of the bat WNS locations east of the Mississippi river they are close to high pressure gas lines. The reasonce is like what I experience in the basement of my office building
                                      >
                                      > If you watch the taos hum episode on unexplained mysteries on you tube, the guy there too hears it worse underground in a mining tunnel in MI
                                      >
                                      > Thanks again
                                      >
                                      > Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's
                                      >
                                      > On Nov 6, 2012, at 2:03 PM, "Danyele" <dcottrel@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > I think until something is ruled out, it should be considered a possibility. I hear it, my better half hears it, several in our area hear it, and on several caving trips (bloomington and bedford indiana) about 1/2 of the groups we took caving last month heard it underground. Note: the 'hum' was very loud and noticeable in the larger rooms and not so much in the tighter passages. Solid limestone in the area.
                                      > >
                                      > > I'm leaning now towards grain drying silos, but will keeping working on the origin when the hum returns until I have a 100% definite answer.
                                      > >
                                      > > On a side note: I have noticed quite a bit of hostility in some folks on here. I know most are at their wits end with medical/sleep issues arising from these hums, but come on people - why attack someone who is just trying to help? And if someone does seem to deserve an angry response just ignore them and they will (hopefully) eventually quit posting. Just my two cents (please don't yell at me for it) :-)
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Hi to all,
                                      > > >
                                      > > > With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Mark S. Jordan
                                      > > > scientist and non-hum hearer
                                      > > >
                                      > > > zorbasci@
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ________________________________
                                      > > > From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@>
                                      > > > To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 8:45 PM
                                      > > > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > >From: Soozie <soozieqty1@>
                                      > > > >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                      > > > >To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > >Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it.
                                      > > > > One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here.
                                      > > > >Just my opinion again, no science needed!
                                      > > > >Suzie
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@>
                                      > > > >To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > >Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM
                                      > > > >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >I did listen to these. Very interesting!
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do. Similar to this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times. I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense?
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >--- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@> wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >>From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@>
                                      > > > >>Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                      > > > >>To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > >>Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >>Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings!
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#!
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >>http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (23)
                                      > > RECENT ACTIVITY: New Members 4
                                      > > Visit Your Group
                                      > > Posting Guidelines:
                                      > >
                                      > > 1. The orientation of this forum is scientific, with everything that implies. Reasoned and articulate criticism of ideas and theories is welcome.
                                      > > 2. The following are not allowed: personal attacks, gratuitous profanity, "kook" posts, and supernatural explanations.
                                      > > 3. Limit posts to those that are necessary and have substantive content. In general, no more than three per person per day.
                                      > > 4. If you hear the Hum, please post your location at: www.frappr.com/humhearers
                                      > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback
                                      > > .
                                      >
                                    • Copsne
                                      What peaked my interest was in talking with the NYDEC how they couldnt exlain the bats flying at cave entrances when they should have been in the hibernacula.
                                      Message 18 of 27 , Nov 7, 2012
                                      • 0 Attachment
                                        What peaked my interest was in talking with the NYDEC how they couldnt exlain the bats flying at cave entrances when they should have been in the hibernacula. And due to my interest in how far this ground born gasline hum thing is effecting the ecology like my dog and the coyotes here (i believe), I found that one of the humming lines and another that crosses into Ma to be within 2 miles of Howe and Hailes Caverns. A report of hum from a town near by (duansburg) and the geology and proximity of the lines, suggest a root cause Never considered. Not to say the fungus isnt the killer, but the path to susceptibilty just may be this health deterioration. . Surely warrants consideration for investigation. I'll post my preliminary work into the files later tonite. 

                                        Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's

                                        On Nov 7, 2012, at 11:17 AM, "Danyele" <dcottrel@...> wrote:

                                         

                                        I am somewhat involved in the WNS studies - it was first seen in bats in our area Feb. 2011. There definitely is a fungus involved, we've seen it on the bats and in samples of dirt around cave entrances and on non-decontaminated clothing that has been worn in affected caves
                                        .
                                        From what I have seen and studied, I don't think there is any correlation between the hum lowering bats immunities to the fungus. This is a newly identified species of fungus found in the NE and spreading along bat migratory paths. When you pull up the migration paths of affected species it is almost an exact copy of cave areas which have WNS.

                                        I'm not ruling out the hum though as a means of disrupting the hibernation of the bats. I'll check into that as we are nearing hibernation right now.

                                        --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Copsne <c_o_p_s_ne@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Danyele I am so thrilled to hear your cave report. One of the consequences I believe of the ground born , surface waves of the hum from the gas lines is it's impact on bat hibernation disruption. I have tried to get into bat caves where the bat population is extinct due to what is claimed White nose syndrome with unanswered questions why bats are aroused and not hibernating in the winter and fly at the cave opening, getting weakened. I've even communicated with a group of cave spelunckers in CT to do research where they go near where WNS caves are near Howes Cavern NY.
                                        >
                                        > It is my theory in the "halls" the hum and the vibration of the perches is the root cause. And yes if you plot most of the bat WNS locations east of the Mississippi river they are close to high pressure gas lines. The reasonce is like what I experience in the basement of my office building
                                        >
                                        > If you watch the taos hum episode on unexplained mysteries on you tube, the guy there too hears it worse underground in a mining tunnel in MI
                                        >
                                        > Thanks again
                                        >
                                        > Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's
                                        >
                                        > On Nov 6, 2012, at 2:03 PM, "Danyele" <dcottrel@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > > I think until something is ruled out, it should be considered a possibility. I hear it, my better half hears it, several in our area hear it, and on several caving trips (bloomington and bedford indiana) about 1/2 of the groups we took caving last month heard it underground. Note: the 'hum' was very loud and noticeable in the larger rooms and not so much in the tighter passages. Solid limestone in the area.
                                        > >
                                        > > I'm leaning now towards grain drying silos, but will keeping working on the origin when the hum returns until I have a 100% definite answer.
                                        > >
                                        > > On a side note: I have noticed quite a bit of hostility in some folks on here. I know most are at their wits end with medical/sleep issues arising from these hums, but come on people - why attack someone who is just trying to help? And if someone does seem to deserve an angry response just ignore them and they will (hopefully) eventually quit posting. Just my two cents (please don't yell at me for it) :-)
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Hi to all,
                                        > > >
                                        > > > With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Mark S. Jordan
                                        > > > scientist and non-hum hearer
                                        > > >
                                        > > > zorbasci@
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ________________________________
                                        > > > From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@>
                                        > > > To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 8:45 PM
                                        > > > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > >From: Soozie <soozieqty1@>
                                        > > > >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                        > > > >To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > > >Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it.
                                        > > > > One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here.
                                        > > > >Just my opinion again, no science needed!
                                        > > > >Suzie
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@>
                                        > > > >To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > >Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM
                                        > > > >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >I did listen to these. Very interesting!
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do. Similar to this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times. I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense?
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >--- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@> wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >>From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@>
                                        > > > >>Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                        > > > >>To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > >>Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM
                                        > > > >>
                                        > > > >>
                                        > > > >>Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings!
                                        > > > >>
                                        > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#!
                                        > > > >>
                                        > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related
                                        > > > >>
                                        > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related
                                        > > > >>
                                        > > > >>http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml
                                        > > > >>
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (23)
                                        > > RECENT ACTIVITY: New Members 4
                                        > > Visit Your Group
                                        > > Posting Guidelines:
                                        > >
                                        > > 1. The orientation of this forum is scientific, with everything that implies. Reasoned and articulate criticism of ideas and theories is welcome.
                                        > > 2. The following are not allowed: personal attacks, gratuitous profanity, "kook" posts, and supernatural explanations.
                                        > > 3. Limit posts to those that are necessary and have substantive content. In general, no more than three per person per day.
                                        > > 4. If you hear the Hum, please post your location at: www.frappr.com/humhearers
                                        > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback
                                        > > .
                                        >

                                        Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this
                                      • Steve K
                                        Danyele The preliminary work correlating bat WNS to line location is posted. For VA you need to look to WV for the data in proximity of the bat WNS
                                        Message 19 of 27 , Nov 7, 2012
                                        • 0 Attachment
                                          Danyele The preliminary work correlating bat WNS to line location is posted. For VA you need to look to WV for the data in proximity of the bat WNS occurances. VT and NH do not fit the model, not sure why not. Needs experts to think about this..

                                          --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "Danyele" <dcottrel@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > I am somewhat involved in the WNS studies - it was first seen in bats in our area Feb. 2011. There definitely is a fungus involved, we've seen it on the bats and in samples of dirt around cave entrances and on non-decontaminated clothing that has been worn in affected caves
                                          > .
                                          > From what I have seen and studied, I don't think there is any correlation between the hum lowering bats immunities to the fungus. This is a newly identified species of fungus found in the NE and spreading along bat migratory paths. When you pull up the migration paths of affected species it is almost an exact copy of cave areas which have WNS.
                                          >
                                          > I'm not ruling out the hum though as a means of disrupting the hibernation of the bats. I'll check into that as we are nearing hibernation right now.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Copsne <c_o_p_s_ne@> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > Danyele I am so thrilled to hear your cave report. One of the consequences I believe of the ground born , surface waves of the hum from the gas lines is it's impact on bat hibernation disruption. I have tried to get into bat caves where the bat population is extinct due to what is claimed White nose syndrome with unanswered questions why bats are aroused and not hibernating in the winter and fly at the cave opening, getting weakened. I've even communicated with a group of cave spelunckers in CT to do research where they go near where WNS caves are near Howes Cavern NY.
                                          > >
                                          > > It is my theory in the "halls" the hum and the vibration of the perches is the root cause. And yes if you plot most of the bat WNS locations east of the Mississippi river they are close to high pressure gas lines. The reasonce is like what I experience in the basement of my office building
                                          > >
                                          > > If you watch the taos hum episode on unexplained mysteries on you tube, the guy there too hears it worse underground in a mining tunnel in MI
                                          > >
                                          > > Thanks again
                                          > >
                                          > > Sent from Steve's iPhone and I appologize for typo's
                                          > >
                                          > > On Nov 6, 2012, at 2:03 PM, "Danyele" <dcottrel@> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > > I think until something is ruled out, it should be considered a possibility. I hear it, my better half hears it, several in our area hear it, and on several caving trips (bloomington and bedford indiana) about 1/2 of the groups we took caving last month heard it underground. Note: the 'hum' was very loud and noticeable in the larger rooms and not so much in the tighter passages. Solid limestone in the area.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I'm leaning now towards grain drying silos, but will keeping working on the origin when the hum returns until I have a 100% definite answer.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > On a side note: I have noticed quite a bit of hostility in some folks on here. I know most are at their wits end with medical/sleep issues arising from these hums, but come on people - why attack someone who is just trying to help? And if someone does seem to deserve an angry response just ignore them and they will (hopefully) eventually quit posting. Just my two cents (please don't yell at me for it) :-)
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Mark Jordan <zorbasci@> wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Hi to all,
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > With all due respect. I have another hypothesis. But first, let me quote from the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of the page of the Yahoo Mail page.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > "The orientation of this group is scientific, with everything that implies."
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > I realize that some of you do not realize what a hypothesis is. It is an idea. A notion. A possibility to be tested. I now suggest a new hypothesis for your consideration. This is not and should not be thought of as an attack upon Hum sufferers. The last time I offered a hypothesis to the group, I was attacked. This is also clearly against the rules as stated at the bottom on the page in the posting guidelines. However, if you think it is proper to attack me for trying to help. I will think it funny and hope your blood pressure doesn't go too high. I also forgive you in advance.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > In the previous hypothesis that I offered, I attempted to point out the difference between the subjective and objective Hum but your unwarranted attacks cut me short. The medical references I provided did explain the difference but it is clear that most of you did not bother to read the entire article so I will simplify it here.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > When you hear a hum and no one else hears it, that is subjective. An objective hum can be heard by others around you or in your near vicinity. I refer you to message #15722 where Kungfublonde mentioned that her boyfriend could hear a hum coming from her body. This is a good example of an objective hum. Heard outside of your own body by your spouse or partner or medical provider.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Please consider, as a hypothesis, that it is not an external hum that you are hearing. Instead, it is possible and should be considered that some external force is actually causing your bodies to hum. It could be any number of forces like electromagnetic fields from electropollution. However, since it can also be heard in remote areas away from infrastructure, we should look to atmospheric electricity, atmospheric oscillations, gravity waves or some other unknown force. This effect would also disappear in caves or rooms insulated against said hypothetical external force.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > This hypothesis would explain many things. More important is that it would give you all a new avenue to research.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Interested in your responses. Your attacks will only make me laugh.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Mark S. Jordan
                                          > > > > scientist and non-hum hearer
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > zorbasci@
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > ________________________________
                                          > > > > From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@>
                                          > > > > To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 8:45 PM
                                          > > > > Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Yes. It will take people who can think outside of the arrogant, closed box to find the source(s) of the energy/energies that we call The Hum.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Especially since probably some of the "researchers" found out what it was but were told to zip it or lose it. Just a guess.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Soozie <soozieqty1@> wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > >From: Soozie <soozieqty1@>
                                          > > > > >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                          > > > > >To: "humforum@yahoogroups.com" <humforum@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > >Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:01 PM
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >Yes, It does make sense to me. I actually posted the singing sand links to demonstrate that what we don't know is more than what we know. There are many anomalies on the earth that are not scientifically studied, explainable, or defined and to say otherwise is ridiculous. My hum is not like this one too. Mine is more mechanical/machine sounding with more deep tones. I do live somewhat near large dunes and they said the sound travels for miles. I still do not believe that this is gas lines, cell towers, nor train tracks, etc. because of the locations I have heard it.
                                          > > > > > One has to wonder why more of the 600 plus members of this group don't have much to say here on this forum. Could it be because the lay scientists on here jump down peoples throats when they bring up anything new or different? This is a support/chat forum, not a peer reviewed scientific journal but you can't tell that by reading the slamming posts here.
                                          > > > > >Just my opinion again, no science needed!
                                          > > > > >Suzie
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >From: Pictoblu <pictoblu@>
                                          > > > > >To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > > >Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:55 PM
                                          > > > > >Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >I did listen to these. Very interesting!
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >They remind me of some of the chanting that the Tibetan Monks do. Similar to this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QQ6J12/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2/181-0229666-2961554
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >The Hum that I hear has a more techno/electrical sound element to it, most of the times. I think that, due to the specifications, actual measurements, of our ear and sinus parts, we all hear stuff in a similar way, but not all exactly the same way. Like with color. Everyone will not see every color the exact same way. Some don't see some colors at all. Did that comparison make sense?
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >--- On Fri, 11/2/12, soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@> wrote:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >>From: soozieqty1 <soozieqty1@>
                                          > > > > >>Subject: HUM_FORUM: Singing Sand
                                          > > > > >>To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > > >>Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:06 AM
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >>Here are some links to some videos about the mystery of "singing sand" it actually hums! Check it out. Does this match any of your hums? I do live near huge sand dunes. Is that what I am hearing? The last link explains the current scientific theory as to why sand sings!
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzbGQXUL9vg&feature=player_embedded#!
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYeeYmT4tI&feature=related
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XF6kGDLcVE&feature=related
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >>http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2012/2012-47.shtml
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (23)
                                          > > > RECENT ACTIVITY: New Members 4
                                          > > > Visit Your Group
                                          > > > Posting Guidelines:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > 1. The orientation of this forum is scientific, with everything that implies. Reasoned and articulate criticism of ideas and theories is welcome.
                                          > > > 2. The following are not allowed: personal attacks, gratuitous profanity, "kook" posts, and supernatural explanations.
                                          > > > 3. Limit posts to those that are necessary and have substantive content. In general, no more than three per person per day.
                                          > > > 4. If you hear the Hum, please post your location at: www.frappr.com/humhearers
                                          > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback
                                          > > > .
                                          > >
                                          >
                                        Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.