Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: On Rational Thought
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Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: On Rational Thought
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> > ... there are plenty of physical principles yet to be discovered.All I'm saying is, since the source of the Hum isn't
>No question. That's not my problem, Eleanor.
>My problem is with those who would focus a video camera on two lights in
>the dark distance and narrate "/They/ change day to night with a train
>whistle" and, sure enough, in a few moments a train whistle - with the
>normal sequence of blasts that are those of a crossing approach warning
>- is heard. Day does not follow, however. There are no undiscovered
>physics there, I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2XtR2yt8Nw
>(~1:18 into the clip).
>Similarly, a video of a horizontally-slatted garage door is shown with
>lots of moire' on the slats, which move. The poster suggests that the
>pattern and movement are due to HAARP, not due to the color sensor
>matrix of a CCD camera and her hand movement. I wonder if she thinks
>herringboned patterns on a TV weatherman's necktie or jacket is also due
>to HAARP. No missing science here.
>Some folks are simply /out there/. This woman sees a rainbow in her
>lawn sprinkler on a sunny day and thinks HAARP!
>This is not new science we have yet to learn.
yet known, don't rule out physics of a level either
not yet discovered, or, discovered but not yet
released to the public.
>Science, for the most part does not operate this way. Independent
> All I'm saying is, since the source of the Hum isn't
> yet known, don't rule out physics of a level either
> not yet discovered, or, discovered but not yet
> released to the public.
> Eleanor White
researchers, who are usually on staff at academic institutions pursue
areas of interest to them. These are typically the next level of the
problems needed to be solved. They seek funding from the government
to underwrite the research. Funding comes from the National Science
Foundation (NSF), the National Institutes of Health (NIH),Department
of Energy (DoE), NASA, or if of use to the military/Department of
Defense, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).
Unclassified research findings are published after a lengthy peer
review process and generally available to the public through academic
journals. Problem is, these publications are difficult to read, even
for those well schooled in the topic and almost impossible to read for
The largest physics project today is the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)
being done at CERN in France/Switzerland. This is not only just Big
Science, but Huge Science. It takes an enormous amount of money to
setup the equipment and a large staff to run the project. Not easy to
hide or be covert.
There is considerable amount of private research done in the US, but
none of it at a very large scale. The largest private research
programs are targeted at finding something that can be patented and
then sold to the public. The Pharmaceutical industry is the largest
player here, and financial returns drive the process.
Some research is contracted through the CIA, the NSA, or DoD and is
classified. These programs are usually small however.
The major source of Big Science in the US is the work being done at
the National Labs(Sandia, Argonne, Los Alamos, Idaho, Lawrence
Berkeley, Oak Ridge, Brookhaven, etc).
Problem in all of these scenarios is that it takes highly trained
people to make this happen. Money has to come from somewhere to pay
them and keep them. That money comes either from product sales (such
as drugs or microprocessors) or from tax dollars. In an open society,
there is competition for these talents. In an open society, people
are free to change jobs and move around. Not much room for the secret
laboratories of Dr. No.
As for the level of physics not yet disovered, the search for the
Theory of Everything is quite active. That is the great
reward/disappointment waiting on the outcome of search for the Higg's
Boson at CERN using the LHC.
When we make the argument that much is unknown, (which anyone in
Science will absolutely agree with) we have to be careful that we do
not take this to imply that the unknown will negate the known.
The problem with any level of physics, no matter how deep down it
goes, it does have to be able to provide an explanation for everything
above it. Universal constants will not suddenly change once we find
something new. Relational laws will not become altered. They will
only be know more precisely, and with a deeper level of understanding.
And ultimately, everything that can be known, will be revealed
through the discipline we call Science.
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