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RE: [hreg] Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill

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  • Tyra Rankin
    Brilliant suggestion!! Very plausible. From a business perspective, I ve heard BP may declare bankruptcy quickly (a few weeks) to protect their cash. They are
    Message 1 of 74 , May 2, 2010

      Brilliant suggestion!! Very plausible. 


      From a business perspective, I’ve heard BP may declare bankruptcy quickly (a few weeks) to protect their cash.  They are self insured.  It’s a way of avoiding the costs of insurance by self insuring then using bankruptcy to limit exposure.




      From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto: hreg@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of William & Cynthia Stange
      Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:27 PM
      To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [hreg] Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill



          I am wondering, on our group here are there any geologists? I have been having some, hmmmms lately. I have people I care about all over the world, so I take the time to watch events unfold through our space programs and sensors. 

      http://www.iris. edu/seismon/ This site is pretty quick in reporting and identifying seismic events in real time. So here's my question. With all the last several months, starting with Haiti's great quake, then to Chile's ( one that made our day longer and pitched the Earths axis off by a few inches), I wonder if  all the last three months or so worth of very, very active plate pressure and movement has any bearing on changing levels and/or pressure build up deep below the Gulf. Along with other areas as well this could be some mechanics we've not seen in awhile, just a thought.

       The deep Gulf is quite close to a very deep trench that's also active seismically and that is the trench near Puerto Rico . 

       There's nothing to be done now except damage control but there's everything to learn. A very costly classroom, I hope BP has some required credits for continued ed.

       I say all this knowing full well that myself being in construction 60% of my clients are BP'ers, oh what to do.

       New technologies means new jobs. Equipment that could be sold around the world.


      From: Tyra Rankin < tyra@... >
      To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
      Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 5:49:40 PM
      Subject: RE: [hreg] Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill


      Very well expressed, Bill.  There are things that do exist to handle this situation…the question is whether BP will use them.  Just like there were technologies, practices and procedures that BP should have had in place, redundant safety systems that BP chose not to use, due to costs, which may have prevented this accident.  BP think only in terms of money – liability, including lives lost, ecosystems destroyed, is only about money for them. 


      This accident may in fact damage the oil reservoir beyond salvage.  That means we completely lose the oil resource they were going after. 


      Re-invent ourselves is the right answer. 



      From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto: hreg@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of William & Cynthia Stange
      Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:46 PM
      To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
      Subject: Re: [hreg] Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill



       We quite simply need to re-invent ourselves. There is no reason why something does not exist to handle this type of situation. There is no excuse. Our planet is quite finite, the atmosphere, bodies of water and land masses are all measurable. Anyone who is of the mind that resources are inexhaustable and dumping into the ground and oceans (out of sight out of mind) is still OK is just simply nefarious.

       We need to think kind of like NASA, our planet IS our capsule, we need to run every scenario even if it seems impossible, there is NO escape pod to jump to in the event of a boo boo. So why do we not have every safe guard imaginable. Obviously the oil is of utmost importance for our economy ($$) and the continuing forward motion of our American machines. Why? Why take chances with not only the lives involved, the livlihoods of those along the coast, or the threat of losing the oil and/or shutting down deep ocean rigs until further notice. We have no excuses, we are begining to have precious little left of not only product but environment as well.

       It took almost twenty years for the powers that be to endorse double-hulled tankers, I wonder how many single hulls there still are out there, and that was a DUH!!

       The bigger question is will we let business go on as normal until there is no turning back and we will ALL be in the same boat without much of a paddle?



      From: Tyra Rankin < tyra@...

      To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
      Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 2:23:58 PM
      Subject: RE: [hreg] Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill




      Thank you for the lecture by Dr. Dickson on CO2 acidification of oceans.   Fantastic lecture, his references to the Monaco Declaration and the Norwegian film are great additional materials. 


      We simply can’t allow industry to do business in the way that BP has any longer.  BP’s track record, including the refinery explosion in Texas City , the corrosion/pipeline leak in Alaska and Horizon all reflect an ongoing pervasive company wide endemic culture and practice of putting cost above safety and environment.


      Texas dismantled TXU in the face of its plan to build 13 new coal plants using old technologies that would have harmed our environment.  We can do the same with BP.  BP is a bandit; how much more will we allow them to rob and plunder?



    • Ed Sarlls
      Same problem - a disagreement on the rig about the better course of action. The company man I m not sure which one vetoed the driller s recommendation (on
      Message 74 of 74 , Jun 5, 2010
        Same problem - a disagreement on the rig about the better course of action. The "company man" I'm not sure which one vetoed the driller's recommendation (on IXTOC) to cut the string above the drill collars and let the collars fall to the bottom for recovery after the well was brought under control.  At least that is what a driller told me on a rig one night in Montana.
        The BOP shear rams wouldn't then and won't now cut through drill collars.
        Human error (Major Screw-up) seems to be common to a lot of major disasters. I believe that the problems on Horizon extends through many years of government regulations, "industry recommended practices", well design, events on the rig leading up to the fatal night.
        There are several interviews on youtube in anyone can stand to watch.
        As sad as it may be - this will happen again if we don't learn from this.
        Ed Sarlls, Jr.
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        Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 2:09 PM
        Subject: Re: [hreg] Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill - Great BP Video


        I am being careful not to encite a debate but this is too good not to share. Let me know your thoughts, let your politcians know your thoughts too. Deja Vu?

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