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  • Tyra Rankin
    Robert: Your comment is extremely well written and expressed. I have learned much from Kevin s generosity and support of this group, and appreciate his
    Message 1 of 20 , Nov 4, 2009
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      Robert:

       

      Your comment is extremely well written and expressed.  I have learned much from Kevin’s generosity and support of this group, and appreciate his willingness to be a resource. 

       

      David:

       

      It is odd that you use Kevin’s experience in the solar industry against him, as if to discredit him because of his experience.  Individuals with a depth of skill, experience and training in solar are extremely few and rare.   

       

      Feel free to build your own…radio, TV, CPU, airplane, solar panel.   When you have questions, Kevin is someone you can call.

       

      Tyra

       

       


      From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto: hreg@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Robert Johnston
      Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:43 PM
      To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [hreg] Do it yourself Solar Panels

       

       

      David,

       

      I think your response to Kevin is over-the-top.  He is a very helpful and well-informed contributor here who is trying to save someone an expensive mistake.  If you disagree with his advice, you can be nice about it and then provide specific facts to support your disagreement, rather than just flaming without any specifics.  The seemingly minor difference you mentioned is actually critically important and difficult to get right. 

       

      Next time, you might want to read the rules on your own forum (assuming you own OffGridHomesteading .com) and apply them to your behavior here:

       

      #3 - Do NOT crap on other peoples ideas - While it may not make sense to you, it does to others. If you do not have anything positive to contribute keep quiet. Think about where we would be if people told Franklin, Tesla and Edison their ideas were stupid.

      #4 - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE FLAMING OR ANY TYPE OF HATRED TOWARDS ANYONE HERE AND YOU WILL BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY - No questions, no notice.

       

      Robert

       

      From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto: hreg@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of offgridhomesteading .com
      Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:11 PM
      To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
      Subject: RE: [hreg] Do it yourself Solar Panels

       

       

      Kevin to work for a solar company and to tell people not to learn how to do something that may well be a beneficial skill in the coming future is asinine, and it is possible to make them cheaper and have them put out just as much power as the commercial panels, there is nothing that commercial manufactures do different from Joe in his garage except the film that they are vacuum sealed in. Those that say that someone cant do, need to get out of the way of those doing.

      David
      OffGridHomesteading .com
      Living off the GRID in Texas


      --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Kevin Conlin < kevin@heliosolardes ign.com > wrote:


      From: Kevin Conlin < kevin@heliosolardes ign.com >
      Subject: RE: [hreg] Do it yourself Solar Panels
      To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
      Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 3:17 PM

       

      Sorry, building your own solar panels does not make any sense at all.  No one can do it better or cheaper than the manufacturers, and anyone who underestimates what it takes to make a solar module survive 30 years of continuous exposure to the elements is going to make an expensive mistake.

       

      I guarantee it will cost anyone 3X to make their own panel, and you'll still have a vastly inferior product to what is commercially available.

       

      Kevin Conlin

      Heliosolar Design, Inc.

      13534 Quetzal Lane

      Houston, TX 77083

      C:  (281) 202-9629

      H:  (281) 530-7501

      F:  (281) 530-7501

      kevin@heliosolardes ign.com

       

       

       

       


      From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto:hreg@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of naturewoman2009
      Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:01 PM
      To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
      Subject: [hreg] Do it yourself Solar Panelswell

       

      Here are two sites that give a plethora of information on building your own solar panels. I'm told it's not enough power for the whole home, but it sounds like fun!

      http://www.freesunp ower.com/

      Instructables. com (type PV or solar panels in search field)

      -Pat

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    • offgridhomesteading.com
      If you feel I was showing hatred or flaming him then I will apologize, here in Texas we call that a disagreement with a statement after, thats fine that hes
      Message 2 of 20 , Nov 5, 2009
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        If you feel I was showing hatred or flaming him then I will apologize, here in Texas we call that a disagreement with a statement after, thats fine that hes was "trying" to keep someone from making a mistake but I stand by my statement 100%

        David
        OffGridHomesteading.com

        Living off the GRID in Texas


        --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Robert Johnston <junk1@...> wrote:

        From: Robert Johnston <junk1@...>
        Subject: RE: [hreg] Do it yourself Solar Panels
        To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:43 PM

         

        David,

         

        I think your response to Kevin is over-the-top.  He is a very helpful and well-informed contributor here who is trying to save someone an expensive mistake.  If you disagree with his advice, you can be nice about it and then provide specific facts to support your disagreement, rather than just flaming without any specifics.  The seemingly minor difference you mentioned is actually critically important and difficult to get right. 

         

        Next time, you might want to read the rules on your own forum (assuming you own OffGridHomesteading .com) and apply them to your behavior here:

         

        #3 - Do NOT crap on other peoples ideas - While it may not make sense to you, it does to others. If you do not have anything positive to contribute keep quiet. Think about where we would be if people told Franklin, Tesla and Edison their ideas were stupid.

        #4 - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE FLAMING OR ANY TYPE OF HATRED TOWARDS ANYONE HERE AND YOU WILL BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY - No questions, no notice.

         

        Robert

         

        From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto:hreg@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of offgridhomesteading .com
        Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:11 PM
        To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
        Subject: RE: [hreg] Do it yourself Solar Panels

         

         

        Kevin to work for a solar company and to tell people not to learn how to do something that may well be a beneficial skill in the coming future is asinine, and it is possible to make them cheaper and have them put out just as much power as the commercial panels, there is nothing that commercial manufactures do different from Joe in his garage except the film that they are vacuum sealed in. Those that say that someone cant do, need to get out of the way of those doing.

        David
        OffGridHomesteading .com
        Living off the GRID in Texas


        --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Kevin Conlin <kevin@heliosolardes ign.com> wrote:


        From: Kevin Conlin <kevin@heliosolardes ign.com>
        Subject: RE: [hreg] Do it yourself Solar Panels
        To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
        Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 3:17 PM

         

        Sorry, building your own solar panels does not make any sense at all.  No one can do it better or cheaper than the manufacturers, and anyone who underestimates what it takes to make a solar module survive 30 years of continuous exposure to the elements is going to make an expensive mistake.

         

        I guarantee it will cost anyone 3X to make their own panel, and you'll still have a vastly inferior product to what is commercially available.

         

        Kevin Conlin

        Heliosolar Design, Inc.

        13534 Quetzal Lane

        Houston, TX 77083

        C:  (281) 202-9629

        H:  (281) 530-7501

        F:  (281) 530-7501

        kevin@heliosolardes ign.com

         

         

         

         


        From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto:hreg@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of naturewoman2009
        Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:01 PM
        To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
        Subject: [hreg] Do it yourself Solar Panelswell

         

        Here are two sites that give a plethora of information on building your own solar panels. I'm told it's not enough power for the whole home, but it sounds like fun!

        http://www.freesunp ower.com/

        Instructables. com (type PV or solar panels in search field)

        -Pat

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      • steven_stelzer
        A further constraint to DIY Solar Panels is code compliance. Houston, for instance, requires solar panels to be listed by a testing agency as part of the
        Message 3 of 20 , Nov 5, 2009
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          A further constraint to DIY Solar Panels is code compliance. Houston, for instance, requires solar panels to be listed by a testing agency as part of the permit process. These tests cost money. Part of this huge cost is recouped by manufacturers in their panel prices. DIY panels would not be allowed in Houston's jurisdiction.

          BTW, this is not big brother; it's health, safety, and welfare of the public. The City also requires a structural engineer to certify that the panels and the structure they are attached to will withstand 110 mph winds. Anyone want a loose solar panel flying through their house in a hurricane?

          Steve Stelzer
        • Kevin Conlin
          That s an excellent point, Steve, the potential for a high voltage DC fault or fire is very real. Kevin Conlin Heliosolar Design, Inc. 13534 Quetzal Lane
          Message 4 of 20 , Nov 5, 2009
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            That's an excellent point, Steve, the potential for a high voltage DC fault or fire is very real.
             
            Kevin Conlin
            Heliosolar Design, Inc.
            13534 Quetzal Lane
            Houston, TX 77083
            C:  (281) 202-9629
            H:  (281) 530-7501
            F:  (281) 530-7501
             
             
             


            From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steven_stelzer
            Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM
            To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

             

            A further constraint to DIY Solar Panels is code compliance. Houston, for instance, requires solar panels to be listed by a testing agency as part of the permit process. These tests cost money. Part of this huge cost is recouped by manufacturers in their panel prices. DIY panels would not be allowed in Houston's jurisdiction.

            BTW, this is not big brother; it's health, safety, and welfare of the public. The City also requires a structural engineer to certify that the panels and the structure they are attached to will withstand 110 mph winds. Anyone want a loose solar panel flying through their house in a hurricane?

            Steve Stelzer

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          • justin@gulfcoastrenewableresources.com
            I too, would not recommend trying to power your home with a DIY solar kit; however, it would be a great small project for someone with some time and a garage
            Message 5 of 20 , Nov 6, 2009
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              I too, would not recommend trying to power your home with a DIY solar kit; however, it would be a great small project for someone with some time and a garage to "tinker" in. Building your own module to power a small device can be fun and a great learning experience for those who don't know the mechanics of PV technology. I bought a small panel from Academy and use it to charge my camping lanterns, or use it to run a small radio that normally runs on a 9 volt battery. My kids love it and it gets a lot of attention when we are at the beach. I have not yet built one myself, but I'm sure it could be a fun project. For those of us who normally deal with large manufacturer's panels, building your own for small, controlled situations could bring a sense of pride. But again, the notion of building your own to power your home is like most have already said...a bad idea.
               
              Justin Owens
              Gulf Coast Renewable Resources
              (409)766-0208
              www.GulfCoastRenewableResources.com
               
               
               
               
               
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:58 PM
              Subject: RE: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

               

              That's an excellent point, Steve, the potential for a high voltage DC fault or fire is very real.
               
              Kevin Conlin
              Heliosolar Design, Inc.
              13534 Quetzal Lane
              Houston, TX 77083
              C:  (281) 202-9629
              H:  (281) 530-7501
              F:  (281) 530-7501
               
               
               


              From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto:hreg@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of steven_stelzer
              Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM
              To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
              Subject: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

               

              A further constraint to DIY Solar Panels is code compliance. Houston, for instance, requires solar panels to be listed by a testing agency as part of the permit process. These tests cost money. Part of this huge cost is recouped by manufacturers in their panel prices. DIY panels would not be allowed in Houston's jurisdiction.

              BTW, this is not big brother; it's health, safety, and welfare of the public. The City also requires a structural engineer to certify that the panels and the structure they are attached to will withstand 110 mph winds. Anyone want a loose solar panel flying through their house in a hurricane?

              Steve Stelzer

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            • offgridhomesteading.com
              I am just appalled at the feeling I get from this group, I have seen numerous emails seeming to steer people away from DIY and more towards buy my manufactured
              Message 6 of 20 , Nov 6, 2009
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                I am just appalled at the feeling I get from this group, I have seen numerous emails seeming to steer people away from DIY and more towards buy my manufactured crap, don't get me wrong yes manufactured are built with all the tools needed to make them but I just refuse the buy manufactured mentality this group seems to have, even down to the Solar cookers with brand new materials instead of recycled a few weeks ago, maybe I am wrong IDK. Maybe I expected different when I seen the name Houston Reusable Energy Group, I hoped for something more people based as in let me show you how if you don't have the thousands of dollars to make other people richer buying their mass marketed, mass manufactured products. I guess I was wrong.

                David
                OffGridHomesteading.com

                Living off the GRID in Texas


                --- On Fri, 11/6/09, justin@... <justin@...> wrote:

                From: justin@... <justin@...>
                Subject: Re: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels
                To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:31 AM

                 

                I too, would not recommend trying to power your home with a DIY solar kit; however, it would be a great small project for someone with some time and a garage to "tinker" in. Building your own module to power a small device can be fun and a great learning experience for those who don't know the mechanics of PV technology. I bought a small panel from Academy and use it to charge my camping lanterns, or use it to run a small radio that normally runs on a 9 volt battery. My kids love it and it gets a lot of attention when we are at the beach. I have not yet built one myself, but I'm sure it could be a fun project. For those of us who normally deal with large manufacturer' s panels, building your own for small, controlled situations could bring a sense of pride. But again, the notion of building your own to power your home is like most have already said...a bad idea.
                 
                Justin Owens
                Gulf Coast Renewable Resources
                (409)766-0208
                www.GulfCoastRenewa bleResources. com
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:58 PM
                Subject: RE: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

                 

                That's an excellent point, Steve, the potential for a high voltage DC fault or fire is very real.
                 
                Kevin Conlin
                Heliosolar Design, Inc.
                13534 Quetzal Lane
                Houston, TX 77083
                C:  (281) 202-9629
                H:  (281) 530-7501
                F:  (281) 530-7501
                 
                 
                 


                From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto:hreg@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of steven_stelzer
                Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM
                To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
                Subject: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

                 

                A further constraint to DIY Solar Panels is code compliance. Houston, for instance, requires solar panels to be listed by a testing agency as part of the permit process. These tests cost money. Part of this huge cost is recouped by manufacturers in their panel prices. DIY panels would not be allowed in Houston's jurisdiction.

                BTW, this is not big brother; it's health, safety, and welfare of the public. The City also requires a structural engineer to certify that the panels and the structure they are attached to will withstand 110 mph winds. Anyone want a loose solar panel flying through their house in a hurricane?

                Steve Stelzer

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              • Russell Warren
                David, I am not sure what you are trying to say in your response. Below you are stating that DIY is for people who don t have thousands of dollars. People
                Message 7 of 20 , Nov 6, 2009
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                  David,
                  I am not sure what you are trying to say in your response.  Below you are stating that DIY is for people who don't have thousands of dollars.  People are trying to tell you that you will actually save money by buying panels from a reputable manufacturer.  Furthermore those panels are tested to be safe in a number of manners that your own DIY panels can never be.
                   
                  One fundamental issue is that buying new materials and in mass quantities is far cheaper than using recycled material.  That alone is probably the number one issue our world faces.  Peoples wallets dictate their decisions far more than their social or moral responsibilities.  It sucks, but it is the way the world works.
                   
                  The problem with renewable energy right now is it is only encouraged by a few enthusiasts.  This list is trying to help bring renewable energy to the masses, and quite frankly I believe they are targeting the right audience.
                   
                  Everyone has encouraged you to try a small DIY kit for education, and testing, but they also concur that on mass scale, it is not the best solution for many reasons.  Just because you don't like the answer they gave you, does not make it the wrong answer.
                   
                  This list is for all people with interest in renewable energy, and just as much as you feel it should not be pointed to "greedy" corporations, it should also not be restricted to a very small percentage of people that would actually take on the kind of project you are looking at.
                   
                  I think what you are doing is great, but don't cut down other people for doing great things either.
                   
                  Regards,
                  Russell
                   
                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of offgridhomesteading.com
                  Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:15 AM
                  To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

                   

                  I am just appalled at the feeling I get from this group, I have seen numerous emails seeming to steer people away from DIY and more towards buy my manufactured crap, don't get me wrong yes manufactured are built with all the tools needed to make them but I just refuse the buy manufactured mentality this group seems to have, even down to the Solar cookers with brand new materials instead of recycled a few weeks ago, maybe I am wrong IDK. Maybe I expected different when I seen the name Houston Reusable Energy Group, I hoped for something more people based as in let me show you how if you don't have the thousands of dollars to make other people richer buying their mass marketed, mass manufactured products. I guess I was wrong.

                  David
                  OffGridHomesteading .com

                  Living off the GRID in Texas


                  --- On Fri, 11/6/09, justin@gulfcoastren ewableresources. com <justin@gulfcoastren ewableresources. com> wrote:

                  From: justin@gulfcoastren ewableresources. com <justin@gulfcoastren ewableresources. com>
                  Subject: Re: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels
                  To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
                  Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:31 AM

                   

                  I too, would not recommend trying to power your home with a DIY solar kit; however, it would be a great small project for someone with some time and a garage to "tinker" in. Building your own module to power a small device can be fun and a great learning experience for those who don't know the mechanics of PV technology. I bought a small panel from Academy and use it to charge my camping lanterns, or use it to run a small radio that normally runs on a 9 volt battery. My kids love it and it gets a lot of attention when we are at the beach. I have not yet built one myself, but I'm sure it could be a fun project. For those of us who normally deal with large manufacturer' s panels, building your own for small, controlled situations could bring a sense of pride. But again, the notion of building your own to power your home is like most have already said...a bad idea.
                   
                  Justin Owens
                  Gulf Coast Renewable Resources
                  (409)766-0208
                  www.GulfCoastRenewa bleResources. com
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:58 PM
                  Subject: RE: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

                   

                  That's an excellent point, Steve, the potential for a high voltage DC fault or fire is very real.
                   
                  Kevin Conlin
                  Heliosolar Design, Inc.
                  13534 Quetzal Lane
                  Houston, TX 77083
                  C:  (281) 202-9629
                  H:  (281) 530-7501
                  F:  (281) 530-7501
                   
                   
                   


                  From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto:hreg@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of steven_stelzer
                  Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM
                  To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
                  Subject: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

                   

                  A further constraint to DIY Solar Panels is code compliance. Houston, for instance, requires solar panels to be listed by a testing agency as part of the permit process. These tests cost money. Part of this huge cost is recouped by manufacturers in their panel prices. DIY panels would not be allowed in Houston's jurisdiction.

                  BTW, this is not big brother; it's health, safety, and welfare of the public. The City also requires a structural engineer to certify that the panels and the structure they are attached to will withstand 110 mph winds. Anyone want a loose solar panel flying through their house in a hurricane?

                  Steve Stelzer

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                • Garth & Kim Travis
                  Greetings, David, you have not been in trouble with the list owner, in case you noticed. I too am heavy into DIY. I have a store bought solar cooler, it has
                  Message 8 of 20 , Nov 6, 2009
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                    Greetings,
                    David, you have not been in trouble with the list owner, in case you
                    noticed. I too am heavy into DIY. I have a store bought solar cooler,
                    it has never worked as well as my homemade funnel cooker.

                    However, the name of the group is Houston Renewable Energy, not
                    Reuseable. I like you name, it is a good one.

                    This group is mainly for people that want to be part of renewable energy
                    but can not do DIY for many reasons. Yes, there is a bias against
                    DIY, but don't let that bias drive you away. Some of us are heavy
                    DIYers and enjoy reading your posts.

                    Bright Blessings,
                    Kim
                    www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

                    offgridhomesteading.com wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > I am just appalled at the feeling I get from this group, I have seen
                    > numerous emails seeming to steer people away from DIY and more towards
                    > buy my manufactured crap, don't get me wrong yes manufactured are
                    > built with all the tools needed to make them but I just refuse the buy
                    > manufactured mentality this group seems to have, even down to the
                    > Solar cookers with brand new materials instead of recycled a few weeks
                    > ago, maybe I am wrong IDK. Maybe I expected different when I seen the
                    > name Houston Reusable Energy Group, I hoped for something more people
                    > based as in let me show you how if you don't have the thousands of
                    > dollars to make other people richer buying their mass marketed, mass
                    > manufactured products. I guess I was wrong.
                    >
                    > David
                    > OffGridHomesteading.com
                    > Living off the GRID in Texas
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • offgridhomesteading.com
                    Thank you for your thoughtful reply and I am glad that you are heavy into DIY because real innovations come from people like us that tinker and find new ways
                    Message 9 of 20 , Nov 6, 2009
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                      Thank you for your thoughtful reply and I am glad that you are heavy into DIY because real innovations come from people like us that tinker and find new ways to do things without millions of dollars of grant money to chunk around, I have decided that I will be a part of this group but I will just lurk and see what I see, I applaud you for your DIY and hope that you keep it up.

                      David
                      OffGridHomesteading.com

                      Living off the GRID in Texas


                      --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Garth & Kim Travis <gartht@...> wrote:

                      From: Garth & Kim Travis <gartht@...>
                      Subject: Re: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels
                      To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 1:32 PM

                       

                      Greetings,
                      David, you have not been in trouble with the list owner, in case you
                      noticed. I too am heavy into DIY. I have a store bought solar cooler,
                      it has never worked as well as my homemade funnel cooker.

                      However, the name of the group is Houston Renewable Energy, not
                      Reuseable. I like you name, it is a good one.

                      This group is mainly for people that want to be part of renewable energy
                      but can not do DIY for many reasons. Yes, there is a bias against
                      DIY, but don't let that bias drive you away. Some of us are heavy
                      DIYers and enjoy reading your posts.

                      Bright Blessings,
                      Kim
                      www.TheRoseColoredF orest.com

                      offgridhomesteading .com wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > I am just appalled at the feeling I get from this group, I have seen
                      > numerous emails seeming to steer people away from DIY and more towards
                      > buy my manufactured crap, don't get me wrong yes manufactured are
                      > built with all the tools needed to make them but I just refuse the buy
                      > manufactured mentality this group seems to have, even down to the
                      > Solar cookers with brand new materials instead of recycled a few weeks
                      > ago, maybe I am wrong IDK. Maybe I expected different when I seen the
                      > name Houston Reusable Energy Group, I hoped for something more people
                      > based as in let me show you how if you don't have the thousands of
                      > dollars to make other people richer buying their mass marketed, mass
                      > manufactured products. I guess I was wrong.
                      >
                      > David
                      > OffGridHomesteading .com
                      > Living off the GRID in Texas
                      >
                      >
                      >


                    • Kevin Conlin
                      I would hardly call pv panels made by Sharp, Kyocera, BP and SolarWorld crap. They come with a 25 year warranty, and are designed to last 50 years or more.
                      Message 10 of 20 , Nov 6, 2009
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                        I would hardly call pv panels made by Sharp, Kyocera, BP and SolarWorld crap.  They come with a 25 year warranty, and are designed to last 50 years or more.
                         
                        They are constructed of high grade materials that aren't even available to the average homeowner.  They have been engineered and manufactured to standards based on 25 or more years of manufacturing experience and field installations.
                         
                        For my dollar, I want the benefit of their knowledge, experience and manufacturing economies of scale.
                         
                        Even after tens of thousands of systems, I cannot remember a single failure due to a defective module.
                         
                        Regardless of cost, they are definitely not crap.
                         
                        Kevin Conlin
                        Heliosolar Design, Inc.
                        13534 Quetzal Lane
                        Houston, TX 77083
                        C:  (281) 202-9629
                        H:  (281) 530-7501
                        F:  (281) 530-7501
                         
                         
                         


                        From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of offgridhomesteading.com
                        Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:15 AM
                        To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

                         

                        I am just appalled at the feeling I get from this group, I have seen numerous emails seeming to steer people away from DIY and more towards buy my manufactured crap, don't get me wrong yes manufactured are built with all the tools needed to make them but I just refuse the buy manufactured mentality this group seems to have, even down to the Solar cookers with brand new materials instead of recycled a few weeks ago, maybe I am wrong IDK. Maybe I expected different when I seen the name Houston Reusable Energy Group, I hoped for something more people based as in let me show you how if you don't have the thousands of dollars to make other people richer buying their mass marketed, mass manufactured products. I guess I was wrong.

                        David
                        OffGridHomesteading .com

                        Living off the GRID in Texas


                        --- On Fri, 11/6/09, justin@gulfcoastren ewableresources. com <justin@gulfcoastren ewableresources. com> wrote:

                        From: justin@gulfcoastren ewableresources. com <justin@gulfcoastren ewableresources. com>
                        Subject: Re: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels
                        To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
                        Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:31 AM

                         

                        I too, would not recommend trying to power your home with a DIY solar kit; however, it would be a great small project for someone with some time and a garage to "tinker" in. Building your own module to power a small device can be fun and a great learning experience for those who don't know the mechanics of PV technology. I bought a small panel from Academy and use it to charge my camping lanterns, or use it to run a small radio that normally runs on a 9 volt battery. My kids love it and it gets a lot of attention when we are at the beach. I have not yet built one myself, but I'm sure it could be a fun project. For those of us who normally deal with large manufacturer' s panels, building your own for small, controlled situations could bring a sense of pride. But again, the notion of building your own to power your home is like most have already said...a bad idea.
                         
                        Justin Owens
                        Gulf Coast Renewable Resources
                        (409)766-0208
                        www.GulfCoastRenewa bleResources. com
                         
                         
                         
                         
                         
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:58 PM
                        Subject: RE: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

                         

                        That's an excellent point, Steve, the potential for a high voltage DC fault or fire is very real.
                         
                        Kevin Conlin
                        Heliosolar Design, Inc.
                        13534 Quetzal Lane
                        Houston, TX 77083
                        C:  (281) 202-9629
                        H:  (281) 530-7501
                        F:  (281) 530-7501
                         
                         
                         


                        From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto:hreg@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of steven_stelzer
                        Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM
                        To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
                        Subject: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels

                         

                        A further constraint to DIY Solar Panels is code compliance. Houston, for instance, requires solar panels to be listed by a testing agency as part of the permit process. These tests cost money. Part of this huge cost is recouped by manufacturers in their panel prices. DIY panels would not be allowed in Houston's jurisdiction.

                        BTW, this is not big brother; it's health, safety, and welfare of the public. The City also requires a structural engineer to certify that the panels and the structure they are attached to will withstand 110 mph winds. Anyone want a loose solar panel flying through their house in a hurricane?

                        Steve Stelzer

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                      • Neldon Costin
                        David, if your intention is to get people emotional and to become defensive, you are very successful. If it is to get people on your side and support you, you
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                          David, if your intention is to get people emotional and to become defensive, you are very successful. If it is to get people on your side and support you, you are failing. You might want to evaluating how you say things and try to be a little kinder and gentler. That is the Texas way I learned growing up.

                          Quit attacking people. Maybe support your self with technical knowledge...

                          I don't know you, but first impressions are lasting impressions.


                          --- On Fri, 11/6/09, offgridhomesteading.com <theduderulez@...> wrote:

                          From: offgridhomesteading.com <theduderulez@...>
                          Subject: RE: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels
                          To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 4:41 PM

                          Wow looks like all your doing is scare mongering.

                          David
                          OffGridHomesteading.com
                          Living off the GRID in Texas
                        • offgridhomesteading.com
                          well Neldon, I am not looking for anything, but what I have found tells me alot, thank you for your reply. David OffGridHomesteading.com Living off the GRID in
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                            well Neldon, I am not looking for anything, but what I have found tells me alot, thank you for your reply.

                            David
                            OffGridHomesteading.com

                            Living off the GRID in Texas


                            --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Neldon Costin <neldoncostin@...> wrote:

                            From: Neldon Costin <neldoncostin@...>
                            Subject: RE: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels
                            To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 5:55 PM

                             

                            David, if your intention is to get people emotional and to become defensive, you are very successful. If it is to get people on your side and support you, you are failing. You might want to evaluating how you say things and try to be a little kinder and gentler. That is the Texas way I learned growing up.

                            Quit attacking people. Maybe support your self with technical knowledge...

                            I don't know you, but first impressions are lasting impressions.

                            --- On Fri, 11/6/09, offgridhomesteading .com <theduderulez@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                            From: offgridhomesteading .com <theduderulez@ yahoo.com>
                            Subject: RE: [hreg] Re: Do it yourself Solar Panels
                            To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
                            Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 4:41 PM

                            Wow looks like all your doing is scare mongering.

                            David
                            OffGridHomesteading .com
                            Living off the GRID in Texas


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