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  • Randy Scott
    The role of government is to allow us, as a community, to do together what one or a few of us cannot do alone. Bush became famous for his rhetoric of I m a
    Message 1 of 8 , Jan 11, 2009
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      The role of government is to allow us, as a community, to do together
      what one or a few of us cannot do alone.
      Bush became famous for his rhetoric of "I'm a uniter, not a divider."
      It's neccessary to push a stupidly simple slogan when you're not
      doing anything else constructive.
      'Bama's message is more subtle and indicates a genuine call for the
      entire nation to work together for a common goal....I hope.

      I think we could capitalize on this IF we can get past the invisible
      force field that politicians surround themselves with.

      I've been actively looking for opportunities to get out of the
      oilfield machinery industry and into a "green collar job". More and
      more lately it's become fashionable to talk of a "new economy" of
      sustainability, even if it only means corporate news media giving a
      mouthpiece for corporate green-washing promises of how green the
      future is going to be after corporate executives pocket another
      government handout or after someone magically invents a new battery
      that will make the Chevy Volt economically viable.

      It's possible that honest efforts to create green jobs may ride in on
      the rising tide that becomes possible as "new green economy" rhetoric
      becomes more mainstream. For a while, at least, the status quo
      conservatives will continue the cry about "socialism" and "nanny
      state" but dinosaur ideologies are fading away gradually as real
      world neccessity forces people to look at reality.





      --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, Solar Energy <WhySolar@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > What does this declaration by Obama mean?  Can we capitalize on
      this offer?
      >
      > Ahmad
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      > Obama: 'Only government'
      > can solve nation's ills
      >
      > By Tom Shoop tshoop@...
      > January 8, 2009
      >
      >  
      >
      > In a major address on Thursday in which he unveiled his economic
      stimulus plan,
      > President-elect Obama made the case for a dramatic increase in the
      role of
      > government, along with key initiatives that would affect the
      federal workplace
      > -- including a proposal to upgrade 75 percent of federal buildings
      to make them
      > more energy efficient.
      >
      >  
      >
      > "It is true that we cannot depend on government alone to create
      jobs or
      > long-term growth, but at this particular moment, only government
      can provide
      > the short-term boost necessary to lift us from a recession this
      deep and
      > severe," Obama said in a
      > speech at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. "Only government
      can
      > break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy -- where a
      lack of
      > spending leads to lost jobs which leads to even less spending;
      where an
      > inability to lend and borrow stops growth and leads to even less
      credit."
      >
      >  
      >
      > Specifically, Obama proposed to double the production of
      alternative energy
      > within three years; to upgrade classrooms and laboratories at tens
      of thousands
      > of educational institutions across the country, to launch
      infrastructure repair
      > projects to upgrade bridges, roads and schools; and to expand
      broadband access
      > nationwide.
      >
      >  
      >
      > Obama also pledged to "modernize more than 75 percent of federal
      > buildings" to increase energy efficiency. In a December address,
      Obama said, "We need to upgrade our
      > federal buildings by replacing old heating systems and installing
      efficient
      > light bulbs."
      >
      >  
      >
      > Obama insisted on Thursday that his proposal was "not just another
      public
      > works program." Under the plan, he said, "the overwhelming majority
      > of the jobs created will be in the private sector." He added that
      the
      > proposal would "save the public sector jobs of teachers, cops,
      > firefighters and others who provide vital services."
      >
      > "Our goal is not to create a slew of new government programs," Obama
      > said, "but a foundation for long-term economic growth."
      >
    • chasmauch@aol.com
      This is a very good statement - well said. I agree with just about all of it. As for the wish to get out of the oil patch and into a green line of work - I
      Message 2 of 8 , Jan 11, 2009
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        This is a very good statement - well said. I agree with just about all of it.
         
        As for the wish to get out of the oil patch and into a "green" line of work - I had the same problem. I worked as a petroleum engineer with Sun Oil Company for almost 30 years - always wanting to get into a greener line of work but never could figure out how or what. Finally took early retirement at age 55 - they were downsizing and offered a very generous severance package as incentive so was able to take a few months to look around. I finally went to work for the City of Houston as an environmental engineer. They hired me even though I had no experience or credentials in that field to speak of. They were glad to have an engineer and a PE (very few engineers consider government work, assuming it is underpaid, boring, and non-productive but this was not) - they said don't worry - we will train you, which they did.
         
        The salary was only about 2/3 of what I had before but by the time I retired from the city 9 years later I was supervising 5 other engineers and making almost as much as I made before. Was also eligible for a small retirement pension that has come in very handy for my retirement. I did SIP inspections of various plants, shops, and other businesses to verify that they were in compliance with regulations and the provisions of their permits, keeping proper records, etc. It was interesting and (in my opinion) useful work, helping keep the world green.
         
        I suggest more people try to work for the city or state. You won't get rich but could feel better about the work.  But no use trying Austin - it's considered a great place to live and everyone wants to work there so they pay less than others and have a long waiting list of highly qualified people (even some PhDs) but Houston was eager for such people - or at least they were a few years ago. Anyway you might think about that possibility.
         
        Charles Mauch  
         
        In a message dated 1/11/2009 11:48:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, redscott77092@... writes:

        The role of government is to allow us, as a community, to do together
        what one or a few of us cannot do alone.
        Bush became famous for his rhetoric of "I'm a uniter, not a divider."
        It's neccessary to push a stupidly simple slogan when you're not
        doing anything else constructive.
        'Bama's message is more subtle and indicates a genuine call for the
        entire nation to work together for a common goal....I hope.

        I think we could capitalize on this IF we can get past the invisible
        force field that politicians surround themselves with.

        I've been actively looking for opportunities to get out of the
        oilfield machinery industry and into a "green collar job". More and
        more lately it's become fashionable to talk of a "new economy" of
        sustainability, even if it only means corporate news media giving a
        mouthpiece for corporate green-washing promises of how green the
        future is going to be after corporate executives pocket another
        government handout or after someone magically invents a new battery
        that will make the Chevy Volt economically viable.

        It's possible that honest efforts to create green jobs may ride in on
        the rising tide that becomes possible as "new green economy" rhetoric
        becomes more mainstream. For a while, at least, the status quo
        conservatives will continue the cry about "socialism" and "nanny
        state" but dinosaur ideologies are fading away gradually as real
        world neccessity forces people to look at reality.

        --- In hreg@yahoogroups. com, Solar Energy <WhySolar@.. .> wrote:
        >
        >
        > What does this declaration by Obama mean?  Can we capitalize on
        this offer?
        >
        > Ahmad
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >  
        >
        > Obama: 'Only government'
        > can solve nation's ills
        >
        > By Tom Shoop tshoop@...
        > January 8, 2009
        >
        >  
        >
        > In a major address on Thursday in which he unveiled his economic
        stimulus plan,
        > President-elect Obama made the case for a dramatic increase in the
        role of
        > government, along with key initiatives that would affect the
        federal workplace
        > -- including a proposal to upgrade 75 percent of federal buildings
        to make them
        > more energy efficient.
        >
        >  
        >
        > "It is true that we cannot depend on government alone to create
        jobs or
        > long-term growth, but at this particular moment, only government
        can provide
        > the short-term boost necessary to lift us from a recession this
        deep and
        > severe," Obama said in a
        > speech at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. "Only government
        can
        > break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy -- where a
        lack of
        > spending leads to lost jobs which leads to even less spending;
        where an
        > inability to lend and borrow stops growth and leads to even less
        credit."
        >
        >  
        >
        > Specifically, Obama proposed to double the production of
        alternative energy
        > within three years; to upgrade classrooms and laboratories at tens
        of thousands
        > of educational institutions across the country, to launch
        infrastructure repair
        > projects to upgrade bridges, roads and schools; and to expand
        broadband access
        > nationwide.
        >
        >  
        >
        > Obama also pledged to "modernize more than 75 percent of federal
        > buildings" to increase energy efficiency. In a December address,
        Obama said, "We need to upgrade our
        > federal buildings by replacing old heating systems and installing
        efficient
        > light bulbs."
        >
        >  
        >
        > Obama insisted on Thursday that his proposal was "not just another
        public
        > works program." Under the plan, he said, "the overwhelming majority
        > of the jobs created will be in the private sector." He added that
        the
        > proposal would "save the public sector jobs of teachers, cops,
        > firefighters and others who provide vital services."
        >
        > "Our goal is not to create a slew of new government programs," Obama
        > said, "but a foundation for long-term economic growth."
        >

         



      • Don Sandros
        Hi: Here is a small list of green job search sites; not as good as i might like, but it is a definite start..... Career Cast your job search portal
        Message 3 of 8 , Jan 11, 2009
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          Hi:

          Here is a small list of green job search sites;  not as good as i might like, but it is a definite start.....

          Career Cast"your job search portal"
          http://www.careercast.com/jobs
          Careers in Wind
          http://www.careersinwind.com/
          Dream Job in Solar
          http://www.ongrid.net/dreamjobresources.html
          EcoEmploy
          http://www.ecoemploy.com/jobs
          Green Dream Jobs
          http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/jobs
          Green Jobs
          http://www.greenjobs.com/public/index.aspx
          GreenCareers from Monster
          http://green-jobs.monstertrak.com/
          GreenJobs from Treehugger
          http://jobs.treehugger.com/
          Grist Jobs
          http://jobs.grist.org/
          Indeed.com  -  one search, all jobs
          http://www.indeed.com/
          PV People Employment
          http://www.pvpeople.net
          Renewable Energy Job Search
          http://renewable.careers.adicio.com/careers/jobsearch/
          Solar Staffing
          http://www.solarstaffing.com/?gclid=CILy7PDyhpgCFQUWGgod0G4PDA

          don

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: chasmauch@...
          To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [hreg] Re: Only government' can solve nation's ills
          Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:23:27 EST

          This is a very good statement - well said. I agree with just about all of it.
           
          As for the wish to get out of the oil patch and into a "green" line of work - I had the same problem. I worked as a petroleum engineer with Sun Oil Company for almost 30 years - always wanting to get into a greener line of work but never could figure out how or what. Finally took early retirement at age 55 - they were downsizing and offered a very generous severance package as incentive so was able to take a few months to look around. I finally went to work for the City of Houston as an environmental engineer. They hired me even though I had no experience or credentials in that field to speak of. They were glad to have an engineer and a PE (very few engineers consider government work, assuming it is underpaid, boring, and non-productive but this was not) - they said don't worry - we will train you, which they did.
           
          The salary was only about 2/3 of what I had before but by the time I retired from the city 9 years later I was supervising 5 other engineers and making almost as much as I made before. Was also eligible for a small retirement pension that has come in very handy for my retirement. I did SIP inspections of various plants, shops, and other businesses to verify that they were in compliance with regulations and the provisions of their permits, keeping proper records, etc. It was interesting and (in my opinion) useful work, helping keep the world green.
           
          I suggest more people try to work for the city or state. You won't get rich but could feel better about the work.  But no use trying Austin - it's considered a great place to live and everyone wants to work there so they pay less than others and have a long waiting list of highly qualified people (even some PhDs) but Houston was eager for such people - or at least they were a few years ago. Anyway you might think about that possibility.
           
          Charles Mauch  
           
          In a message dated 1/11/2009 11:48:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, redscott77092@ yahoo.com writes:

          The role of government is to allow us, as a community, to do together
          what one or a few of us cannot do alone.
          Bush became famous for his rhetoric of "I'm a uniter, not a divider."
          It's neccessary to push a stupidly simple slogan when you're not
          doing anything else constructive.
          'Bama's message is more subtle and indicates a genuine call for the
          entire nation to work together for a common goal....I hope.

          I think we could capitalize on this IF we can get past the invisible
          force field that politicians surround themselves with.

          I've been actively looking for opportunities to get out of the
          oilfield machinery industry and into a "green collar job". More and
          more lately it's become fashionable to talk of a "new economy" of
          sustainability, even if it only means corporate news media giving a
          mouthpiece for corporate green-washing promises of how green the
          future is going to be after corporate executives pocket another
          government handout or after someone magically invents a new battery
          that will make the Chevy Volt economically viable.

          It's possible that honest efforts to create green jobs may ride in on
          the rising tide that becomes possible as "new green economy" rhetoric
          becomes more mainstream. For a while, at least, the status quo
          conservatives will continue the cry about "socialism" and "nanny
          state" but dinosaur ideologies are fading away gradually as real
          world neccessity forces people to look at reality.

          --- In hreg@yahoogroups. com, Solar Energy <WhySolar@.. .> wrote:
          >
          >
          > What does this declaration by Obama mean?  Can we capitalize on
          this offer?
          >
          > Ahmad
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >  
          >
          > Obama: 'Only government'
          > can solve nation's ills
          >
          > By Tom Shoop tshoop@...
          > January 8, 2009
          >
          >  
          >
          > In a major address on Thursday in which he unveiled his economic
          stimulus plan,
          > President-elect Obama made the case for a dramatic increase in the
          role of
          > government, along with key initiatives that would affect the
          federal workplace
          > -- including a proposal to upgrade 75 percent of federal buildings
          to make them
          > more energy efficient.
          >
          >  
          >
          > "It is true that we cannot depend on government alone to create
          jobs or
          > long-term growth, but at this particular moment, only government
          can provide
          > the short-term boost necessary to lift us from a recession this
          deep and
          > severe," Obama said in a
          > speech at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. "Only government
          can
          > break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy -- where a
          lack of
          > spending leads to lost jobs which leads to even less spending;
          where an
          > inability to lend and borrow stops growth and leads to even less
          credit."
          >
          >  
          >
          > Specifically, Obama proposed to double the production of
          alternative energy
          > within three years; to upgrade classrooms and laboratories at tens
          of thousands
          > of educational institutions across the country, to launch
          infrastructure repair
          > projects to upgrade bridges, roads and schools; and to expand
          broadband access
          > nationwide.
          >
          >  
          >
          > Obama also pledged to "modernize more than 75 percent of federal
          > buildings" to increase energy efficiency. In a December address,
          Obama said, "We need to upgrade our
          > federal buildings by replacing old heating systems and installing
          efficient
          > light bulbs."
          >
          >  
          >
          > Obama insisted on Thursday that his proposal was "not just another
          public
          > works program." Under the plan, he said, "the overwhelming majority
          > of the jobs created will be in the private sector." He added that
          the
          > proposal would "save the public sector jobs of teachers, cops,
          > firefighters and others who provide vital services."
          >
          > "Our goal is not to create a slew of new government programs," Obama
          > said, "but a foundation for long-term economic growth."
          >

           





          Don Sandros
          Marketing Director of Renewable Energy
          SandEnergy
          A SilTek Company
          950 Herndon Parkway Suite # 280
          Herndon, VA 20170-5537
          Phone: 703.777.7750
          Fax: 703.738.7514

          www.sandenergy.net
          don@...
          Member: Association of Energy Engineers
          Member: Solar Energy Industries Association
          Member: US Green Building Council
          Leadership in Energy and Environmental
          Design Chapter:Nation Capital

        • Jack Wagner
          Randy wrote: The role of governmentis to allow us, as a community, to do together what one or a few of us cannot do alone. There are many people on the left,
          Message 4 of 8 , Jan 13, 2009
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            Randy wrote:

            The role of government is to allow us, as a community, to do together
            what one or a few of us cannot do alone.

            There are many people on the left, right (and down the middle) who are suspicious of the role of government based on past actions. For a great read on the historical role of government, see Howard
            Zinn's "A Power Governments Cannot Suppress." For those with a more free-market leaning, Ron Paul's "The Revolution: A Manifesto" will do nicely.  Either way, as much as we might wish the government could undo the damage caused by the financial con game of recent decades, the free market will ultimately rule and correct the situation regardless of government stimulation.

            From: Randy Scott <redscott77092@...>
            To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:47:43 AM
            Subject: [hreg] Re: Only government' can solve nation's ills

            The role of government is to allow us, as a community, to do together
            what one or a few of us cannot do alone.
            Bush became famous for his rhetoric of "I'm a uniter, not a divider."
            It's neccessary to push a stupidly simple slogan when you're not
            doing anything else constructive.
            'Bama's message is more subtle and indicates a genuine call for the
            entire nation to work together for a common goal....I hope.

            I think we could capitalize on this IF we can get past the invisible
            force field that politicians surround themselves with.

            I've been actively looking for opportunities to get out of the
            oilfield machinery industry and into a "green collar job". More and
            more lately it's become fashionable to talk of a "new economy" of
            sustainability, even if it only means corporate news media giving a
            mouthpiece for corporate green-washing promises of how green the
            future is going to be after corporate executives pocket another
            government handout or after someone magically invents a new battery
            that will make the Chevy Volt economically viable.

            It's possible that honest efforts to create green jobs may ride in on
            the rising tide that becomes possible as "new green economy" rhetoric
            becomes more mainstream. For a while, at least, the status quo
            conservatives will continue the cry about "socialism" and "nanny
            state" but dinosaur ideologies are fading away gradually as real
            world neccessity forces people to look at reality.

            --- In hreg@yahoogroups. com, Solar Energy <WhySolar@.. .> wrote:
            >
            >
            > What does this declaration by Obama mean?  Can we capitalize on
            this offer?
            >
            > Ahmad
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >  
            >
            > Obama: 'Only government'
            > can solve nation's ills
            >
            > By Tom Shoop tshoop@...
            > January 8, 2009
            >
            >  
            >
            > In a major address on Thursday in which he unveiled his economic
            stimulus plan,
            > President-elect Obama made the case for a dramatic increase in the
            role of
            > government, along with key initiatives that would affect the
            federal workplace
            > -- including a proposal to upgrade 75 percent of federal buildings
            to make them
            > more energy efficient.
            >
            >  
            >
            > "It is true that we cannot depend on government alone to create
            jobs or
            > long-term growth, but at this particular moment, only government
            can provide
            > the short-term boost necessary to lift us from a recession this
            deep and
            > severe," Obama said in a
            > speech at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. "Only government
            can
            > break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy -- where a
            lack of
            > spending leads to lost jobs which leads to even less spending;
            where an
            > inability to lend and borrow stops growth and leads to even less
            credit."
            >
            >  
            >
            > Specifically, Obama proposed to double the production of
            alternative energy
            > within three years; to upgrade classrooms and laboratories at tens
            of thousands
            > of educational institutions across the country, to launch
            infrastructure repair
            > projects to upgrade bridges, roads and schools; and to expand
            broadband access
            > nationwide.
            >
            >  
            >
            > Obama also pledged to "modernize more than 75 percent of federal
            > buildings" to increase energy efficiency. In a December address,
            Obama said, "We need to upgrade our
            > federal buildings by replacing old heating systems and installing
            efficient
            > light bulbs."
            >
            >  
            >
            > Obama insisted on Thursday that his proposal was "not just another
            public
            > works program." Under the plan, he said, "the overwhelming majority
            > of the jobs created will be in the private sector." He added that
            the
            > proposal would "save the public sector jobs of teachers, cops,
            > firefighters and others who provide vital services."
            >
            > "Our goal is not to create a slew of new government programs," Obama
            > said, "but a foundation for long-term economic growth."
            >


          • Randy Scott
            The free market is a hoax. ... together ... are suspicious of the role of government based on past actions. For a great read on the historical role of
            Message 5 of 8 , Jan 23, 2009
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              The "free market" is a hoax.



              --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, Jack Wagner <johnjackwagner2@...> wrote:
              >
              > Randy wrote:
              >
              > The role of governmentis to allow us, as a community, to do
              together
              > what one or a few of us cannot do alone.
              >
              >
              > There are many people on the left, right (and down the middle) who
              are suspicious of the role of government based on past actions. For a
              great read on the historical role of government, see Howard
              > Zinn's "A Power Governments Cannot Suppress." For those with a more
              free-market leaning, Ron Paul's "The Revolution: A Manifesto" will do
              nicely. Either way, as much as we might wish the government could
              undo the damage caused by the financial con game of recent decades,
              the free market will ultimately rule and correct the situation
              regardless of government stimulation.
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: Randy Scott <redscott77092@...>
              > To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:47:43 AM
              > Subject: [hreg] Re: Only government' can solve nation's ills
              >
              >
              > The role of government is to allow us, as a community, to do
              together
              > what one or a few of us cannot do alone.
              > Bush became famous for his rhetoric of "I'm a uniter, not a
              divider."
              > It's neccessary to push a stupidly simple slogan when you're not
              > doing anything else constructive.
              > 'Bama's message is more subtle and indicates a genuine call for the
              > entire nation to work together for a common goal....I hope.
              >
              > I think we could capitalize on this IF we can get past the
              invisible
              > force field that politicians surround themselves with.
              >
              > I've been actively looking for opportunities to get out of the
              > oilfield machinery industry and into a "green collar job". More and
              > more lately it's become fashionable to talk of a "new economy" of
              > sustainability, even if it only means corporate news media giving a
              > mouthpiece for corporate green-washing promises of how green the
              > future is going to be after corporate executives pocket another
              > government handout or after someone magically invents a new battery
              > that will make the Chevy Volt economically viable.
              >
              > It's possible that honest efforts to create green jobs may ride in
              on
              > the rising tide that becomes possible as "new green economy"
              rhetoric
              > becomes more mainstream. For a while, at least, the status quo
              > conservatives will continue the cry about "socialism" and "nanny
              > state" but dinosaur ideologies are fading away gradually as real
              > world neccessity forces people to look at reality.
              >
              > --- In hreg@yahoogroups. com, Solar Energy <WhySolar@ .> wrote:
              > >
              > >
              > > What does this declaration by Obama mean? Can we capitalize on
              > this offer?
              > >
              > > Ahmad
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Obama: 'Only government'
              > > can solve nation's ills
              > >
              > > By Tom Shoop tshoop@
              > > January 8, 2009
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > In a major address on Thursday in which he unveiled his economic
              > stimulus plan,
              > > President-elect Obama made the case for a dramatic increase in
              the
              > role of
              > > government, along with key initiatives that would affect the
              > federal workplace
              > > -- including a proposal to upgrade 75 percent of federal
              buildings
              > to make them
              > > more energy efficient.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > "It is true that we cannot depend on government alone to create
              > jobs or
              > > long-term growth, but at this particular moment, only government
              > can provide
              > > the short-term boost necessary to lift us from a recession this
              > deep and
              > > severe," Obama said in a
              > > speech at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. "Only
              government
              > can
              > > break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy -- where
              a
              > lack of
              > > spending leads to lost jobs which leads to even less spending;
              > where an
              > > inability to lend and borrow stops growth and leads to even less
              > credit."
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Specifically, Obama proposed to double the production of
              > alternative energy
              > > within three years; to upgrade classrooms and laboratories at
              tens
              > of thousands
              > > of educational institutions across the country, to launch
              > infrastructure repair
              > > projects to upgrade bridges, roads and schools; and to expand
              > broadband access
              > > nationwide.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Obama also pledged to "modernize more than 75 percent of federal
              > > buildings" to increase energy efficiency. In a December address,
              > Obama said, "We need to upgrade our
              > > federal buildings by replacing old heating systems and installing
              > efficient
              > > light bulbs."
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Obama insisted on Thursday that his proposal was "not just
              another
              > public
              > > works program." Under the plan, he said, "the overwhelming
              majority
              > > of the jobs created will be in the private sector." He added that
              > the
              > > proposal would "save the public sector jobs of teachers, cops,
              > > firefighters and others who provide vital services."
              > >
              > > "Our goal is not to create a slew of new government programs,"
              Obama
              > > said, "but a foundation for long-term economic growth."
              > >
              >
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