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  • Stephanie Edwards-Musa
    Hi Everyone, Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone to repair
    Message 1 of 26 , Sep 28, 2008
      Hi Everyone,

      Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
      other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
      to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
      thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
      together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
      group's thougts were on the topic.

      Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
      overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
      and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
      this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.

      None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.

      ---------------------------------------------------------------------
      Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
      damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
      worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
      in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.

      On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
      maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
      that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
      Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.

      That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
      Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
      minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
      problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
      Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
      then?

      I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
      have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
      wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
      with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!

      Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:

      Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month

      Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
      released in the media

      Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month

      Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money

      So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.

      Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
      $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
      Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.

      Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
      more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
      Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
      Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
      almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
      Fans, Lights, Television….everything but your HVAC system. Oh,
      WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
      on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
      a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
      and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
      The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
      in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
      really relevant, just a reminder.

      If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya go:

      -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
      in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
      A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
      etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
      -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
      at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
      little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
      -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
      lines.
      -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
      outages.
      -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
      -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That means
      your costs also.

      Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
      1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
      it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
      people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.

      My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
      likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
      right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
      back in that same, highly vulnerable position?

      Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
      Thanks.
    • Robert Johnston
      Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. Why would you want to involve a middleman-Centerpoint-in the process of purchasing solar panels? You said you d welcome
      Message 2 of 26 , Sep 28, 2008

        Sorry, but this makes no sense to me.  Why would you want to involve a middleman—Centerpoint—in the process of purchasing solar panels?  You said you’d welcome them charging $10 or $20 more per month in return for offering incentives to install solar panels.  Why not just take the $10 or $20/month and use it directly?  Go buy your solar panels.  You can be sure that this would add up to more than the Centerpoint incentives would, after they deduct profit, handling costs, etc., from the $10 to $20/month you send them.


        Robert

         

         

        From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
        Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27 AM
        To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-

         

        Hi Everyone,

        Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
        other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
        to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
        thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
        together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
        group's thougts were on the topic.

        Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
        overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
        and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
        this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.

        None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.

        ----------------------------------------------------------
        Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
        damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
        worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
        in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.

        On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
        maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
        that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
        Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.

        That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
        Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
        minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
        problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
        Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
        then?

        I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
        have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
        wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
        with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!

        Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:

        Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month

        Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
        released in the media

        Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month

        Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money

        So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.

        Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
        $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
        Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.

        Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
        more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
        Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
        Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
        almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
        Fans, Lights, Television….everything but your HVAC system. Oh,
        WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
        on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
        a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
        and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
        The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
        in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
        really relevant, just a reminder.

        If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya go:

        -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
        in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
        A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
        etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
        -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
        at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
        little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
        -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
        lines.
        -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
        outages.
        -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
        -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That means
        your costs also.

        Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
        1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
        it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
        people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.

        My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
        likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
        right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
        back in that same, highly vulnerable position?

        Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
        Thanks.

      • Stephanie Edwards-Musa
        Robert, What we pay in over the 15 years is not even hardly 1/4 the cost of a system. That is why I had some figures on there. What I am referring to is the
        Message 3 of 26 , Sep 28, 2008
          Robert,

          What we pay in over the 15 years is not even hardly 1/4 the cost of a system.  That is why I had some figures on there.  What I am referring to is the 40-50% incentive that is offered in other places.

          I am saying let's get out of the 17th century with overhead power lines and do something that will actually benefit us in the event of another storm which will happen, sometime.

          $10 towards solar panels a month?  That would get me a few yard lights.

          On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Robert Johnston <junk1@...> wrote:

          Sorry, but this makes no sense to me.  Why would you want to involve a middleman—Centerpoint—in the process of purchasing solar panels?  You said you'd welcome them charging $10 or $20 more per month in return for offering incentives to install solar panels.  Why not just take the $10 or $20/month and use it directly?  Go buy your solar panels.  You can be sure that this would add up to more than the Centerpoint incentives would, after they deduct profit, handling costs, etc., from the $10 to $20/month you send them.


          Robert

           

           

          From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
          Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27 AM
          To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-

           

          Hi Everyone,

          Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
          other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
          to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
          thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
          together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
          group's thougts were on the topic.

          Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
          overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
          and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
          this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.

          None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.

          ----------------------------------------------------------
          Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
          damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
          worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
          in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.

          On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
          maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
          that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
          Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.

          That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
          Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
          minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
          problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
          Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
          then?

          I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
          have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
          wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
          with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!

          Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:

          Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month

          Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
          released in the media

          Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month

          Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money

          So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.

          Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
          $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
          Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.

          Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
          more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
          Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
          Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
          almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
          Fans, Lights, Television….everything but your HVAC system. Oh,
          WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
          on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
          a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
          and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
          The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
          in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
          really relevant, just a reminder.

          If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya go:

          -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
          in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
          A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
          etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
          -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
          at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
          little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
          -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
          lines.
          -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
          outages.
          -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
          -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That means
          your costs also.

          Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
          1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
          it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
          people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.

          My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
          likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
          right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
          back in that same, highly vulnerable position?

          Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
          Thanks.




          --
          Stephanie Edwards-Musa
          Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
          Mobile:  281-635-9444
          Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
          www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
          Steph@...
        • Jack Wagner (HSN)
          Never hurts to float ideas. One thing we were wondering the past weeks as we sat without power is how would solar panels fair during a hurricane. Our
          Message 4 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008

            Never hurts to float ideas. One thing we were wondering the past weeks as we sat without power is how would solar panels fair during a hurricane. Our neighborhood in NW Houston had quite a few trees on houses. And what about the wind? We’re still toughing it out without a generator but likely have permanent hearing loss from the mega decibel blast of the generator next door.

             


            From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto: hreg@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
            Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27 AM
            To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-

             

            Hi Everyone,

            Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
            other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
            to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
            thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
            together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
            group's thougts were on the topic.

            Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
            overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
            and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
            this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.

            None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.

            ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
            Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
            damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
            worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
            in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.

            On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
            maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
            that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
            Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.

            That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
            Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
            minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
            problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
            Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
            then?

            I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
            have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
            wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
            with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!

            Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:

            Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month

            Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
            released in the media

            Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month

            Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money

            So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.

            Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
            $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
            Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.

            Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
            more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
            Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
            Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
            almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
            Fans, Lights, Television….everythi ng but your HVAC system. Oh,
            WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
            on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
            a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
            and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
            The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
            in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
            really relevant, just a reminder.

            If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya go:

            -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
            in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
            A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
            etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
            -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
            at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
            little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
            -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
            lines.
            -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
            outages.
            -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
            -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That means
            your costs also.

            Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
            1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
            it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
            people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.

            My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
            likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
            right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
            back in that same, highly vulnerable position?

            Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
            Thanks.

          • Stephanie Edwards-Musa
            Hi Jack, Exactly. Something like incentives would end up being put out by PUC anyway, not Centerpoint. We also have to take in to consideration expected
            Message 5 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
              Hi Jack,

              Exactly.  Something like incentives would end up being put out by PUC anyway, not Centerpoint.  We also have to take in to consideration expected population growth in Texas and the need for more power anyways.

              This is also an alternative to more coal fired power plants.  With more homes in Texas having solar there would be a considerably less amount of extra grids needed.

              Just saying, there should be alternatives.  I hear that panels can sustain quite a bit before breaking...something that I would like to research as well.  Of course, if you have solar on your home one would probably be less likely to have a considerable amount of trees surrounding.

              On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Jack Wagner (HSN) <jack_wagner@...> wrote:

              Never hurts to float ideas. One thing we were wondering the past weeks as we sat without power is how would solar panels fair during a hurricane. Our neighborhood in NW Houston had quite a few trees on houses. And what about the wind? We're still toughing it out without a generator but likely have permanent hearing loss from the mega decibel blast of the generator next door.

               


              From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
              Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27 AM
              To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-

               

              Hi Everyone,



              Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
              other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
              to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
              thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
              together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
              group's thougts were on the topic.

              Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
              overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
              and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
              this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.

              None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.

              ----------------------------------------------------------
              Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
              damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
              worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
              in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.

              On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
              maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
              that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
              Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.

              That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
              Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
              minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
              problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
              Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
              then?

              I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
              have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
              wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
              with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!

              Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:

              Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month

              Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
              released in the media

              Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month

              Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money

              So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.

              Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
              $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
              Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.

              Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
              more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
              Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
              Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
              almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
              Fans, Lights, Television….everything but your HVAC system. Oh,
              WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
              on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
              a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
              and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
              The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
              in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
              really relevant, just a reminder.

              If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya go:

              -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
              in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
              A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
              etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
              -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
              at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
              little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
              -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
              lines.
              -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
              outages.
              -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
              -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That means
              your costs also.

              Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
              1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
              it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
              people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.

              My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
              likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
              right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
              back in that same, highly vulnerable position?

              Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
              Thanks.




              --
              Stephanie Edwards-Musa
              Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
              Mobile:  281-635-9444
              Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
              www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
              Steph@...
            • Robert Johnston
              There is no free lunch. If Centerpoint were to pay subsidies, the money would have to ultimately come from consumers. Best to cut out the middleman. As for
              Message 6 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008

                There is no free lunch.  If Centerpoint were to pay subsidies, the money would have to ultimately come from consumers.  Best to cut out the middleman.

                As for other areas, I’m no expert, but seems to me that with power generation and power transmission decoupled as it is in Texas now, there is no reason for Centerpoint to incentivize solar.

                 

                Robert

                 

                From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:29 PM
                To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                 

                Robert,

                What we pay in over the 15 years is not even hardly 1/4 the cost of a system.  That is why I had some figures on there.  What I am referring to is the 40-50% incentive that is offered in other places.

                I am saying let's get out of the 17th century with overhead power lines and do something that will actually benefit us in the event of another storm which will happen, sometime.

                $10 towards solar panels a month?  That would get me a few yard lights.

                On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Robert Johnston <junk1@...> wrote:

                Sorry, but this makes no sense to me.  Why would you want to involve a middleman—Centerpoint—in the process of purchasing solar panels?  You said you'd welcome them charging $10 or $20 more per month in return for offering incentives to install solar panels.  Why not just take the $10 or $20/month and use it directly?  Go buy your solar panels.  You can be sure that this would add up to more than the Centerpoint incentives would, after they deduct profit, handling costs, etc., from the $10 to $20/month you send them.


                Robert

                 

                 

                From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27 AM
                To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                 

                Hi Everyone,

                Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
                other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
                to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
                thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
                together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
                group's thougts were on the topic.

                Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
                overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
                and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
                this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.

                None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.

                ----------------------------------------------------------
                Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
                damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
                worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
                in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.

                On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
                maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
                that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
                Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.

                That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
                Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
                minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
                problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
                Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
                then?

                I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
                have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
                wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
                with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!

                Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:

                Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month

                Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
                released in the media

                Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month

                Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money

                So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.

                Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
                $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
                Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.

                Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
                more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
                Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
                Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
                almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
                Fans, Lights, Television….everything but your HVAC system. Oh,
                WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
                on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
                a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
                and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
                The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
                in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
                really relevant, just a reminder.

                If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya go:

                -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
                in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
                A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
                etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
                -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
                at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
                little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
                -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
                lines.
                -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
                outages.
                -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
                -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That means
                your costs also.

                Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
                1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
                it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
                people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.

                My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
                likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
                right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
                back in that same, highly vulnerable position?

                Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
                Thanks.




                --
                Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                Mobile:  281-635-9444
                Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                Steph@...

              • Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                All of the lines are public which means we as ratepayers pay for the repair and maintenance in one way or another. You would rather have more overhead
                Message 7 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                  All of the lines are 'public' which means we as ratepayers pay for the repair and maintenance in one way or another. 

                  You would rather have more overhead powerlines?

                  My recommendation is not a me, me, me idea.  It's something that everyone in Houston and surrounding areas should be concerned about.  PUC approved Centerpoint to charge us every month for 15 years to upgrade/repair our power lines.  Within that 15 years what is the likelihood that another storm will roll through?  We will be in this same position again and still be paying time and time again.

                  It would be naive to think that if no incentives were offered that we would not pay anything to repair and replace lines.  Since we are already going to pay Billions for this over the next 15 years then we have the right to request that outages be reduced next time, right?  The cost to bury the lines is incredibly costly and would likely not significantly recude outages anyhow. 

                  Just thinking logically.  Centerpoint is not going away.  Storms like this will not make people go off the grid.  Why not find a way to make everyone happy and work WITH the utility companies.

                  On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Robert Johnston <junk1@...> wrote:

                  There is no free lunch.  If Centerpoint were to pay subsidies, the money would have to ultimately come from consumers.  Best to cut out the middleman.

                  As for other areas, I'm no expert, but seems to me that with power generation and power transmission decoupled as it is in Texas now, there is no reason for Centerpoint to incentivize solar.

                   

                  Robert

                   

                  From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                  Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:29 PM
                  To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                   

                  Robert,

                  What we pay in over the 15 years is not even hardly 1/4 the cost of a system.  That is why I had some figures on there.  What I am referring to is the 40-50% incentive that is offered in other places.

                  I am saying let's get out of the 17th century with overhead power lines and do something that will actually benefit us in the event of another storm which will happen, sometime.

                  $10 towards solar panels a month?  That would get me a few yard lights.

                  On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Robert Johnston <junk1@...> wrote:

                  Sorry, but this makes no sense to me.  Why would you want to involve a middleman—Centerpoint—in the process of purchasing solar panels?  You said you'd welcome them charging $10 or $20 more per month in return for offering incentives to install solar panels.  Why not just take the $10 or $20/month and use it directly?  Go buy your solar panels.  You can be sure that this would add up to more than the Centerpoint incentives would, after they deduct profit, handling costs, etc., from the $10 to $20/month you send them.


                  Robert

                   

                   

                  From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                  Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27 AM
                  To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                   

                  Hi Everyone,

                  Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
                  other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
                  to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
                  thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
                  together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
                  group's thougts were on the topic.

                  Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
                  overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
                  and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
                  this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.

                  None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.

                  ----------------------------------------------------------
                  Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
                  damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
                  worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
                  in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.

                  On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
                  maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
                  that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
                  Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.

                  That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
                  Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
                  minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
                  problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
                  Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
                  then?

                  I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
                  have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
                  wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
                  with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!

                  Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:

                  Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month

                  Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
                  released in the media

                  Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month

                  Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money

                  So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.

                  Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
                  $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
                  Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.

                  Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
                  more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
                  Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
                  Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
                  almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
                  Fans, Lights, Television….everything but your HVAC system. Oh,
                  WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
                  on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
                  a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
                  and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
                  The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
                  in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
                  really relevant, just a reminder.

                  If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya go:

                  -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
                  in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
                  A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
                  etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
                  -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
                  at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
                  little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
                  -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
                  lines.
                  -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
                  outages.
                  -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
                  -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That means
                  your costs also.

                  Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
                  1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
                  it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
                  people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.

                  My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
                  likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
                  right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
                  back in that same, highly vulnerable position?

                  Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
                  Thanks.




                  --
                  Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                  Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                  Mobile:  281-635-9444
                  Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                  www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                  Steph@...




                  --
                  Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                  Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                  Mobile:  281-635-9444
                  Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                  www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                  Steph@...
                • Jay Ring
                  If the $10 a month per subscriber isn t enough money, it won t be enough money. Adding Centerpoint to the proposal doesn t change that. Part of thinking
                  Message 8 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                    If the $10 a month per subscriber isn't enough money, it won't be enough
                    money. Adding Centerpoint to the proposal doesn't change that.

                    Part of thinking globally and sustainably means finding solutions that
                    work for everyone, not just a few people. You may have a better view at
                    a football game if you stand up, but if everyone else also stands up
                    too, then we're all worse off.

                    If the incentives work, they draw people into solar systems. Thats the
                    whole point of it. But when everyone is trying to draw the money out,
                    we are all just getting back the $10 we put in in the first place.
                    Adding Centerpoint to the mix means one more salary to pay, and we'd
                    probably only be getting $8-9 of our money back.

                    TANSTAAFL.

                    - Jay

                    --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Edwards-Musa" <steph@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > All of the lines are 'public' which means we as ratepayers pay for the
                    > repair and maintenance in one way or another.
                    >
                    > You would rather have more overhead powerlines?
                    >
                    > My recommendation is not a me, me, me idea. It's something that
                    everyone in
                    > Houston and surrounding areas should be concerned about. PUC approved
                    > Centerpoint to charge us every month for 15 years to upgrade/repair
                    our
                    > power lines. Within that 15 years what is the likelihood that another
                    storm
                    > will roll through? We will be in this same position again and still
                    be
                    > paying time and time again.
                    >
                    > It would be naive to think that if no incentives were offered that we
                    would
                    > not pay anything to repair and replace lines. Since we are already
                    going to
                    > pay Billions for this over the next 15 years then we have the right to
                    > request that outages be reduced next time, right? The cost to bury
                    the
                    > lines is incredibly costly and would likely not significantly recude
                    outages
                    > anyhow.
                    >
                    > Just thinking logically. Centerpoint is not going away. Storms like
                    this
                    > will not make people go off the grid. Why not find a way to make
                    everyone
                    > happy and work WITH the utility companies.
                    >
                    > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Robert Johnston junk1@...wrote:
                    >
                    > > There is no free lunch. If Centerpoint were to pay subsidies,
                    the
                    > > money would have to ultimately come from consumers. Best to cut out
                    the
                    > > middleman.
                    > >
                    > > As for other areas, I'm no expert, but seems to me that with power
                    > > generation and power transmission decoupled as it is in Texas now,
                    there is
                    > > no reason for Centerpoint to incentivize solar.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Robert
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > *From:* hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] *On
                    Behalf Of *Stephanie
                    > > Edwards-Musa
                    > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:29 PM
                    > > *To:* hreg@yahoogroups.com
                    > > *Subject:* Re: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Robert,
                    > >
                    > > What we pay in over the 15 years is not even hardly 1/4 the cost of
                    a
                    > > system. That is why I had some figures on there. What I am
                    referring to is
                    > > the 40-50% incentive that is offered in other places.
                    > >
                    > > I am saying let's get out of the 17th century with overhead power
                    lines and
                    > > do something that will actually benefit us in the event of another
                    storm
                    > > which will happen, sometime.
                    > >
                    > > $10 towards solar panels a month? That would get me a few yard
                    lights.
                    > >
                    > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Robert Johnston junk1@...
                    > > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. Why would you want to involve
                    a
                    > > middleman—Centerpoint—in the process of purchasing solar
                    panels? You said
                    > > you'd welcome them charging $10 or $20 more per month in return for
                    offering
                    > > incentives to install solar panels. Why not just take the $10 or
                    $20/month
                    > > and use it directly? Go buy your solar panels. You can be sure
                    that this
                    > > would add up to more than the Centerpoint incentives would, after
                    they
                    > > deduct profit, handling costs, etc., from the $10 to $20/month you
                    send
                    > > them.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Robert
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > *From:* hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] *On
                    Behalf Of *Stephanie
                    > > Edwards-Musa
                    > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27 AM
                    > > *To:* hreg@yahoogroups.com
                    > > *Subject:* [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Hi Everyone,
                    > >
                    > > Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
                    > > other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
                    > > to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
                    > > thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
                    > > together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
                    > > group's thougts were on the topic.
                    > >
                    > > Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
                    > > overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
                    > > and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
                    > > this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.
                    > >
                    > > None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.
                    > >
                    > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                    > > Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
                    > > damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
                    > > worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
                    > > in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.
                    > >
                    > > On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
                    > > maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
                    > > that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
                    > > Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.
                    > >
                    > > That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
                    > > Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
                    > > minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
                    > > problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
                    > > Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
                    > > then?
                    > >
                    > > I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
                    > > have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
                    > > wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
                    > > with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!
                    > >
                    > > Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:
                    > >
                    > > Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month
                    > >
                    > > Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
                    > > released in the media
                    > >
                    > > Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month
                    > >
                    > > Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money
                    > >
                    > > So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.
                    > >
                    > > Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
                    > > $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
                    > > Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.
                    > >
                    > > Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
                    > > more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
                    > > Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
                    > > Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
                    > > almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
                    > > Fans, Lights, Television….everything but your HVAC system. Oh,
                    > > WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
                    > > on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
                    > > a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
                    > > and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
                    > > The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
                    > > in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
                    > > really relevant, just a reminder.
                    > >
                    > > If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya
                    go:
                    > >
                    > > -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
                    > > in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
                    > > A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
                    > > etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
                    > > -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
                    > > at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
                    > > little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
                    > > -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
                    > > lines.
                    > > -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
                    > > outages.
                    > > -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
                    > > -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That
                    means
                    > > your costs also.
                    > >
                    > > Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
                    > > 1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
                    > > it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
                    > > people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.
                    > >
                    > > My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
                    > > likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
                    > > right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
                    > > back in that same, highly vulnerable position?
                    > >
                    > > Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
                    > > Thanks.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --
                    > > Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                    > > Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                    > > Mobile: 281-635-9444
                    > > Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                    > > www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                    > > Steph@...
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --
                    > Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                    > Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                    > Mobile: 281-635-9444
                    > Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                    > www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                    > Steph@...
                    >
                  • Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                    So, no incentives helps everyone? Not trying to be smart, just sayin . There are already energy efficiency incentives in place that Centerpoint is required to
                    Message 9 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                      So, no incentives helps everyone?  Not trying to be smart, just sayin'.

                      There are already energy efficiency incentives in place that Centerpoint is required to pay for (which in the end comes from us) and hardly anyone uses.  As a matter of fact, most people pay serious bucks for these services as opposed to using the program. 

                      Who is talking about a free lunch?  I'm not saying people get free solar panels.  Everyone who chooses to would have 'skin' in the game monthly and paying their part for solar.

                      On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Jay Ring <txses@...> wrote:

                      If the $10 a month per subscriber isn't enough money, it won't be enough
                      money. Adding Centerpoint to the proposal doesn't change that.

                      Part of thinking globally and sustainably means finding solutions that
                      work for everyone, not just a few people. You may have a better view at
                      a football game if you stand up, but if everyone else also stands up
                      too, then we're all worse off.

                      If the incentives work, they draw people into solar systems. Thats the
                      whole point of it. But when everyone is trying to draw the money out,
                      we are all just getting back the $10 we put in in the first place.
                      Adding Centerpoint to the mix means one more salary to pay, and we'd
                      probably only be getting $8-9 of our money back.

                      TANSTAAFL.

                      - Jay



                      --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Edwards-Musa" <steph@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > All of the lines are 'public' which means we as ratepayers pay for the
                      > repair and maintenance in one way or another.
                      >
                      > You would rather have more overhead powerlines?
                      >
                      > My recommendation is not a me, me, me idea. It's something that
                      everyone in
                      > Houston and surrounding areas should be concerned about. PUC approved
                      > Centerpoint to charge us every month for 15 years to upgrade/repair
                      our
                      > power lines. Within that 15 years what is the likelihood that another
                      storm
                      > will roll through? We will be in this same position again and still
                      be
                      > paying time and time again.
                      >
                      > It would be naive to think that if no incentives were offered that we
                      would
                      > not pay anything to repair and replace lines. Since we are already
                      going to
                      > pay Billions for this over the next 15 years then we have the right to
                      > request that outages be reduced next time, right? The cost to bury
                      the
                      > lines is incredibly costly and would likely not significantly recude
                      outages
                      > anyhow.
                      >
                      > Just thinking logically. Centerpoint is not going away. Storms like
                      this
                      > will not make people go off the grid. Why not find a way to make
                      everyone
                      > happy and work WITH the utility companies.
                      >
                      > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Robert Johnston junk1@...wrote:

                      >
                      > > There is no free lunch. If Centerpoint were to pay subsidies,
                      the
                      > > money would have to ultimately come from consumers. Best to cut out
                      the
                      > > middleman.
                      > >
                      > > As for other areas, I'm no expert, but seems to me that with power
                      > > generation and power transmission decoupled as it is in Texas now,
                      there is
                      > > no reason for Centerpoint to incentivize solar.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Robert
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > *From:* hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] *On
                      Behalf Of *Stephanie
                      > > Edwards-Musa
                      > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:29 PM
                      > > *To:* hreg@yahoogroups.com
                      > > *Subject:* Re: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Robert,
                      > >
                      > > What we pay in over the 15 years is not even hardly 1/4 the cost of
                      a
                      > > system. That is why I had some figures on there. What I am
                      referring to is
                      > > the 40-50% incentive that is offered in other places.
                      > >
                      > > I am saying let's get out of the 17th century with overhead power
                      lines and
                      > > do something that will actually benefit us in the event of another
                      storm
                      > > which will happen, sometime.
                      > >
                      > > $10 towards solar panels a month? That would get me a few yard
                      lights.
                      > >
                      > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Robert Johnston junk1@...

                      > > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. Why would you want to involve
                      a
                      > > middleman—Centerpoint—in the process of purchasing solar
                      panels? You said
                      > > you'd welcome them charging $10 or $20 more per month in return for
                      offering
                      > > incentives to install solar panels. Why not just take the $10 or
                      $20/month
                      > > and use it directly? Go buy your solar panels. You can be sure
                      that this
                      > > would add up to more than the Centerpoint incentives would, after
                      they
                      > > deduct profit, handling costs, etc., from the $10 to $20/month you
                      send
                      > > them.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Robert
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > *From:* hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] *On
                      Behalf Of *Stephanie
                      > > Edwards-Musa
                      > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27 AM
                      > > *To:* hreg@yahoogroups.com
                      > > *Subject:* [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Hi Everyone,
                      > >
                      > > Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
                      > > other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
                      > > to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
                      > > thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
                      > > together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
                      > > group's thougts were on the topic.
                      > >
                      > > Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
                      > > overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
                      > > and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
                      > > this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.
                      > >
                      > > None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.
                      > >
                      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                      > > Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
                      > > damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
                      > > worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
                      > > in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.
                      > >
                      > > On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
                      > > maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
                      > > that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
                      > > Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.
                      > >
                      > > That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
                      > > Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
                      > > minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
                      > > problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
                      > > Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
                      > > then?
                      > >
                      > > I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
                      > > have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
                      > > wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
                      > > with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!
                      > >
                      > > Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:
                      > >
                      > > Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month
                      > >
                      > > Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
                      > > released in the media
                      > >
                      > > Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month
                      > >
                      > > Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money
                      > >
                      > > So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.
                      > >
                      > > Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
                      > > $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
                      > > Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.
                      > >
                      > > Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
                      > > more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
                      > > Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
                      > > Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
                      > > almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
                      > > Fans, Lights, Television….everything but your HVAC system. Oh,
                      > > WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
                      > > on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
                      > > a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
                      > > and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
                      > > The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
                      > > in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
                      > > really relevant, just a reminder.
                      > >
                      > > If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya
                      go:
                      > >
                      > > -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
                      > > in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
                      > > A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
                      > > etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
                      > > -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
                      > > at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
                      > > little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
                      > > -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
                      > > lines.
                      > > -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
                      > > outages.
                      > > -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
                      > > -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That
                      means
                      > > your costs also.
                      > >
                      > > Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
                      > > 1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
                      > > it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
                      > > people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.
                      > >
                      > > My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
                      > > likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
                      > > right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
                      > > back in that same, highly vulnerable position?
                      > >
                      > > Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
                      > > Thanks.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --
                      > > Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                      > > Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                      > > Mobile: 281-635-9444
                      > > Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                      > > www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                      > > Steph@...
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --

                      > Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                      > Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                      > Mobile: 281-635-9444
                      > Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                      > www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                      > Steph@...
                      >




                      --
                      Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                      Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                      Mobile:  281-635-9444
                      Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                      www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                      Steph@...
                    • Robert Johnston
                      Stephanie, I agree with you that at times like this it would be nice to have homes not susceptible to power distribution failures. In some ideal future state,
                      Message 10 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008

                        Stephanie,

                         

                        I agree with you that at times like this it would be nice to have homes not susceptible to power distribution failures.  In some ideal future state, solar would be so affordable that everyone could have it instead of conventional power (though I’m not sure everyone would prefer independent solar power anyway—see below).  But solar panels are still far too expensive to justify increasing utility bills to subsidize them.  Here are a few questions to consider:

                         

                        1.       Do you think the average Houston area consumer of electric power can afford to FULLY power their homes with solar at today’s solar system prices, or even with a small subsidy? 

                        2.       Would you favor leaving the grid unfixed and providing subsidies only to those wealthy enough to take advantage of them?

                        3.       Or, would you prefer public funding (taxpayer supported, in other words) of solar panels for everyone?  Would you mandate government control of homes and energy usage first, i.e., control of appliance efficiency, insulation, etc., so that taxpayers buy solar only for homes that are already efficiently operated (conservation being the least expensive option)?

                        4.       Do you think that all solar installations will have their own backup storage adequate for night time use, etc., or will they need a grid to tap into?  (in which case we have to fix it anyway)

                        5.       Suppose we leave the grid unfixed (or fix it, doesn’t really matter for the argument), and add an extra $20/mo per 1000 kwh for solar panel subsidies.  In 15 years, this would be $3600.  Suppose after adjusting for program costs, this results in a $3000 subsidy.  What do you think the cost of a 1000 kwh/month solar system would be?  One recent estimate I found was $50,000 (http://www.babeled.com/2008/08/27/home-solar-panel-cost-analysis/).  Where would everyone get the remaining $47,000 after applying their $3000 subsidy?  (Even if the $50,000 estimate is high, and even if some federal tax credits also were applied, the cost is still MUCH higher than the average $3000 subsidy that would be available if everyone used it).

                        6.       If only the wealthy can afford a solar system, what do you think of the fairness of a system that increases the monthly utility bills of the poor so that subsidies can be given to the wealthy?  (since they’d be the only ones able to afford the remaining $47,000 per 1000 kwh capacity, they’d be the only ones claiming subsidy checks).  If only 1/10 of consumers claimed the subsidies, then the subsidy could be increased to $30,000.  So the rich get $30,000 and pay $20,000, and the other poor suckers foot the bill.  What a deal!  (This is worse than use of tax credits for renewable energy because at least taxes are collected on a progressive scale and the poor don’t may much or any, whereas utility bills fall on the poor and rich alike and thus the subsidy would impact the poor in a regressive way [or would you propose utility bills be linked to income, and we file income forms with our utility applications?!]).

                        7.       Major storms hit our area once very ~25-30 years (the last one to do this kind of damage in my area was Alicia in 1983).  Consider that the life of a solar panel is about the same 25-30 years.  Which is less expensive, repairing power distribution every 30 years or replacing solar panels every 30 years?  If $10/mo for 15 years is the cost of repairing the distribution system per 1000 kwh, then our cost as homeowners is $1800 per 1000 kwh/mo.  I can easily afford $1800 compared to $50,000 (or even just the solar panel part of the system if the rest is still OK).

                        8.       As things stand today, the wealthy can—whenever they choose—opt out of the system and save the $1800 per 1000 kwh by applying it towards an independent solar system.  At least in this case, though, they only save what they themselves would have paid, not the payments made by the poor who couldn’t afford to take advantage of the subsidy.  Isn’t this a better way to have things?  It still increases the incentive for solar (vs. the pre-storm case), but without penalizing the poor unfairly.

                         

                        Even if solar becomes much less expensive, there is no guarantee that the ultimate preferred business model will be standalone home-based installations.  Electricity consumers may in the end prefer distribution from a central solar installation (perhaps located in El Paso, where efficiency would be higher, or at a central solar furnace instead of PV, etc.) in combination with wind, natural gas backup, etc.  What is safe to say is that as technology continues to develop, costs of renewable energy will decrease.  If we don’t interfere in the market system by providing artificial “taxes” and subsidies, the chances of arriving at the best business model and mix of technologies are increased.  (As an example of wasted money, look at all the money spent on hydrogen fueled transportation; without all the government subsidies and regulation, this wouldn’t have happened, and that money might have been more quickly channeled into what private industry and the marketplace has concluded is the most effective next technology, hybrids and hybrid plug-ins).

                         

                        I’ll repeat my earlier statement:  There is no free lunch.  Even when the government (or Centerpoint) gives you a “free” lunch, it isn’t truly free.  Subsidies increase inefficiency and irrational resource allocation (look at corn-based ethanol as just another example).  I think you should try to keep as much of your money in your own pocket as possible—don’t volunteer it to Centerpoint—and then use it in the manner that YOU determine is the most beneficial for you and your family.  Who knows?  Maybe that will mean buying a CFL or installing more attic insulation, not worrying about solar panels.  You may find that the extra $20/mo you want to volunteer to Centerpoint would buy enough attic insulation to save you the $20 plus the $10 for power distribution repairs.

                         

                        Regards,

                         

                        Robert Johnston

                         

                         

                        From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                        Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:44 AM
                        To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [hreg] Re: Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                         

                        So, no incentives helps everyone?  Not trying to be smart, just sayin'.

                        There are already energy efficiency incentives in place that Centerpoint is required to pay for (which in the end comes from us) and hardly anyone uses.  As a matter of fact, most people pay serious bucks for these services as opposed to using the program. 

                        Who is talking about a free lunch?  I'm not saying people get free solar panels.  Everyone who chooses to would have 'skin' in the game monthly and paying their part for solar.

                        On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Jay Ring <txses@...> wrote:

                        If the $10 a month per subscriber isn't enough money, it won't be enough
                        money. Adding Centerpoint to the proposal doesn't change that.

                        Part of thinking globally and sustainably means finding solutions that
                        work for everyone, not just a few people. You may have a better view at
                        a football game if you stand up, but if everyone else also stands up
                        too, then we're all worse off.

                        If the incentives work, they draw people into solar systems. Thats the
                        whole point of it. But when everyone is trying to draw the money out,
                        we are all just getting back the $10 we put in in the first place.
                        Adding Centerpoint to the mix means one more salary to pay, and we'd
                        probably only be getting $8-9 of our money back.

                        TANSTAAFL.

                        - Jay



                        --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Edwards-Musa" <steph@...> wrote:

                        >
                        > All of the lines are 'public' which means we as ratepayers pay for the
                        > repair and maintenance in one way or another.
                        >
                        > You would rather have more overhead powerlines?
                        >
                        > My recommendation is not a me, me, me idea. It's something that
                        everyone in
                        > Houston and surrounding areas should be concerned about. PUC approved
                        > Centerpoint to charge us every month for 15 years to upgrade/repair
                        our
                        > power lines. Within that 15 years what is the likelihood that another
                        storm
                        > will roll through? We will be in this same position again and still
                        be
                        > paying time and time again.
                        >
                        > It would be naive to think that if no incentives were offered that we
                        would
                        > not pay anything to repair and replace lines. Since we are already
                        going to
                        > pay Billions for this over the next 15 years then we have the right to
                        > request that outages be reduced next time, right? The cost to bury
                        the
                        > lines is incredibly costly and would likely not significantly recude
                        outages
                        > anyhow.
                        >
                        > Just thinking logically. Centerpoint is not going away. Storms like
                        this
                        > will not make people go off the grid. Why not find a way to make
                        everyone
                        > happy and work WITH the utility companies.
                        >

                        > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:15

                        AM, Robert Johnston junk1@...wrote:


                        >
                        > > There is no free lunch. If Centerpoint were to pay subsidies,
                        the
                        > > money would have to ultimately come from consumers. Best to cut out
                        the
                        > > middleman.
                        > >
                        > > As for other areas, I'm no expert, but seems to me that with power
                        > > generation and power transmission decoupled as it is in Texas now,
                        there is
                        > > no reason for Centerpoint to incentivize solar.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Robert
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > *From:* hreg@yahoogroups.com
                        [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] *On
                        Behalf Of *Stephanie
                        > > Edwards-Musa
                        > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:29 PM
                        > > *To:* hreg@yahoogroups.com
                        > > *Subject:* Re: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Robert,
                        > >
                        > > What we pay in over the 15 years is not even hardly 1/4 the cost of
                        a
                        > > system. That is why I had some figures on there. What I am
                        referring to is
                        > > the 40-50% incentive that is offered in other places.
                        > >
                        > > I am saying let's get out of the 17th century with overhead power
                        lines and
                        > > do something that will actually benefit us in the event of another
                        storm
                        > > which will happen, sometime.
                        > >
                        > > $10 towards solar panels a month? That would get me a few yard
                        lights.
                        > >

                        > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at

                        10:20 PM, Robert Johnston junk1@...


                        > > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. Why would you want to involve
                        a
                        > > middleman—Centerpoint—in the process of purchasing solar
                        panels? You said
                        > > you'd welcome them charging $10 or $20 more per month in return for
                        offering
                        > > incentives to install solar panels. Why not just take the $10 or
                        $20/month
                        > > and use it directly? Go buy your solar panels. You can be sure
                        that this
                        > > would add up to more than the Centerpoint incentives would, after
                        they
                        > > deduct profit, handling costs, etc., from the $10 to $20/month you
                        send
                        > > them.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Robert
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > *From:* hreg@yahoogroups.com
                        [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] *On
                        Behalf Of *Stephanie
                        > > Edwards-Musa
                        > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27 AM
                        > > *To:* hreg@yahoogroups.com
                        > > *Subject:* [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Hi Everyone,
                        > >
                        > > Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
                        > > other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
                        > > to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
                        > > thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
                        > > together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
                        > > group's thougts were on the topic.
                        > >
                        > > Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
                        > > overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
                        > > and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
                        > > this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.
                        > >
                        > > None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.
                        > >
                        > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                        > > Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
                        > > damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
                        > > worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
                        > > in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.
                        > >
                        > > On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
                        > > maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
                        > > that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
                        > > Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.
                        > >
                        > > That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
                        > > Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
                        > > minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
                        > > problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
                        > > Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
                        > > then?
                        > >
                        > > I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
                        > > have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
                        > > wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
                        > > with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!
                        > >
                        > > Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:
                        > >
                        > > Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month
                        > >
                        > > Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
                        > > released in the media
                        > >
                        > > Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month
                        > >
                        > > Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money
                        > >
                        > > So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.
                        > >
                        > > Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
                        > > $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
                        > > Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.
                        > >
                        > > Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
                        > > more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
                        > > Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
                        > > Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
                        > > almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
                        > > Fans, Lights, Television….everything but your HVAC system. Oh,
                        > > WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
                        > > on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
                        > > a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
                        > > and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
                        > > The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
                        > > in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
                        > > really relevant, just a reminder.
                        > >
                        > > If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya
                        go:
                        > >
                        > > -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
                        > > in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
                        > > A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
                        > > etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
                        > > -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
                        > > at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
                        > > little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
                        > > -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
                        > > lines.
                        > > -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
                        > > outages.
                        > > -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
                        > > -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That
                        means
                        > > your costs also.
                        > >
                        > > Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
                        > > 1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
                        > > it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
                        > > people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.
                        > >
                        > > My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
                        > > likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
                        > > right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
                        > > back in that same, highly vulnerable position?
                        > >
                        > > Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
                        > > Thanks.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --
                        > > Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                        > > Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                        > > Mobile: 281-635-9444
                        > > Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                        > > www.TurningHoustonGreen.com

                        > > Steph@...
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --


                        > Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                        > Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                        > Mobile: 281-635-9444
                        > Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                        > www.TurningHoustonGreen.com

                        > Steph@...
                        >




                        --
                        Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                        Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                        Mobile:  281-635-9444
                        Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                        www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                        Steph@...

                      • Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                        Hi Robert, Thank you for bringing about valid points. I forget that you have no clue what I have done to my home...I post regularly to my site. I understand
                        Message 11 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                          Hi Robert,

                          Thank you for bringing about valid points.  I forget that you have no clue what I have done to my home...I post regularly to my site.  I understand that we need to conserve and make changes to homes.

                          I'm not trying to be a pain I promise, just trying to discuss and roll around ideas...

                          1. My post was directed to having enough power to run what most people are running on a generator.  A couple of fans, lights and maybe a fridge.  All of that should run on 2kw.

                          2. Obviously the grid needs fixed, but it would not prevent mass outages again.  I do not believe that CP will do anything of substance with the over 9M proposed by them already a month to significantly reduce this.  If it were not for the 10-11,000 volunteers helping us down here right now to get power restored, we would be in awful shape.

                          3.  Mandate Energy Efficiency- Yes.  It is already being proposed at City and State levels.  Solar for everyone.  No, then we would also have to repair them when they break and many people would likely not maintain them.

                          4.  I would not purchase solar without backup, but I can only speak for myself.

                          5.  For the sake of what I wrote, I don't know why this is brought up.  1000kw?  The point is, we have skin in the game every month and so do the companies.  They should match at a minimum of 50%  If they do not have their own money in the game, it is nothing more than a loan being paid off over 15 years...the $3000

                          6.  If a 1000kw system is minimum then yes. It is bad.  I'm just talking about what could atleast help someone during a situation like this.  Waiting in line for gas not only in Houston but elsewhere around the Nation.  There are fights at gas pumps as far North as Virginia that I have heard about because of gas shortages during the storm.

                          7.  Exactly.  They have already proposed to us collectively as ratepayers over 9M a month.  What is that going to give us the next time a storm comes through.  Just 3 years ago we had outages as well during Rita.

                          8.  No poor people are being penalized.  The money proposed by CP is simply being used to repair the bad infrastructure.  Already.  Everyone is being penalized. 




                          On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Robert Johnston <junk1@...> wrote:

                          Stephanie,

                           

                          I agree with you that at times like this it would be nice to have homes not susceptible to power distribution failures.  In some ideal future state, solar would be so affordable that everyone could have it instead of conventional power (though I'm not sure everyone would prefer independent solar power anyway—see below).  But solar panels are still far too expensive to justify increasing utility bills to subsidize them.  Here are a few questions to consider:

                           

                          1.       Do you think the average Houston area consumer of electric power can afford to FULLY power their homes with solar at today's solar system prices, or even with a small subsidy? 

                          2.       Would you favor leaving the grid unfixed and providing subsidies only to those wealthy enough to take advantage of them?

                          3.       Or, would you prefer public funding (taxpayer supported, in other words) of solar panels for everyone?  Would you mandate government control of homes and energy usage first, i.e., control of appliance efficiency, insulation, etc., so that taxpayers buy solar only for homes that are already efficiently operated (conservation being the least expensive option)?

                          4.       Do you think that all solar installations will have their own backup storage adequate for night time use, etc., or will they need a grid to tap into?  (in which case we have to fix it anyway)

                          5.       Suppose we leave the grid unfixed (or fix it, doesn't really matter for the argument), and add an extra $20/mo per 1000 kwh for solar panel subsidies.  In 15 years, this would be $3600.  Suppose after adjusting for program costs, this results in a $3000 subsidy.  What do you think the cost of a 1000 kwh/month solar system would be?  One recent estimate I found was $50,000 (http://www.babeled.com/2008/08/27/home-solar-panel-cost-analysis/).  Where would everyone get the remaining $47,000 after applying their $3000 subsidy?  (Even if the $50,000 estimate is high, and even if some federal tax credits also were applied, the cost is still MUCH higher than the average $3000 subsidy that would be available if everyone used it).

                          6.       If only the wealthy can afford a solar system, what do you think of the fairness of a system that increases the monthly utility bills of the poor so that subsidies can be given to the wealthy?  (since they'd be the only ones able to afford the remaining $47,000 per 1000 kwh capacity, they'd be the only ones claiming subsidy checks).  If only 1/10 of consumers claimed the subsidies, then the subsidy could be increased to $30,000.  So the rich get $30,000 and pay $20,000, and the other poor suckers foot the bill.  What a deal!  (This is worse than use of tax credits for renewable energy because at least taxes are collected on a progressive scale and the poor don't may much or any, whereas utility bills fall on the poor and rich alike and thus the subsidy would impact the poor in a regressive way [or would you propose utility bills be linked to income, and we file income forms with our utility applications?!]).

                          7.       Major storms hit our area once very ~25-30 years (the last one to do this kind of damage in my area was Alicia in 1983).  Consider that the life of a solar panel is about the same 25-30 years.  Which is less expensive, repairing power distribution every 30 years or replacing solar panels every 30 years?  If $10/mo for 15 years is the cost of repairing the distribution system per 1000 kwh, then our cost as homeowners is $1800 per 1000 kwh/mo.  I can easily afford $1800 compared to $50,000 (or even just the solar panel part of the system if the rest is still OK).

                          8.       As things stand today, the wealthy can—whenever they choose—opt out of the system and save the $1800 per 1000 kwh by applying it towards an independent solar system.  At least in this case, though, they only save what they themselves would have paid, not the payments made by the poor who couldn't afford to take advantage of the subsidy.  Isn't this a better way to have things?  It still increases the incentive for solar (vs. the pre-storm case), but without penalizing the poor unfairly.

                           

                          Even if solar becomes much less expensive, there is no guarantee that the ultimate preferred business model will be standalone home-based installations.  Electricity consumers may in the end prefer distribution from a central solar installation (perhaps located in El Paso, where efficiency would be higher, or at a central solar furnace instead of PV, etc.) in combination with wind, natural gas backup, etc.  What is safe to say is that as technology continues to develop, costs of renewable energy will decrease.  If we don't interfere in the market system by providing artificial "taxes" and subsidies, the chances of arriving at the best business model and mix of technologies are increased.  (As an example of wasted money, look at all the money spent on hydrogen fueled transportation; without all the government subsidies and regulation, this wouldn't have happened, and that money might have been more quickly channeled into what private industry and the marketplace has concluded is the most effective next technology, hybrids and hybrid plug-ins).

                           

                          I'll repeat my earlier statement:  There is no free lunch.  Even when the government (or Centerpoint) gives you a "free" lunch, it isn't truly free.  Subsidies increase inefficiency and irrational resource allocation (look at corn-based ethanol as just another example).  I think you should try to keep as much of your money in your own pocket as possible—don't volunteer it to Centerpoint—and then use it in the manner that YOU determine is the most beneficial for you and your family.  Who knows?  Maybe that will mean buying a CFL or installing more attic insulation, not worrying about solar panels.  You may find that the extra $20/mo you want to volunteer to Centerpoint would buy enough attic insulation to save you the $20 plus the $10 for power distribution repairs.

                           

                          Regards,

                           

                          Robert Johnston

                           

                           

                          From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                          Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:44 AM
                          To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [hreg] Re: Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                           

                          So, no incentives helps everyone?  Not trying to be smart, just sayin'.

                          There are already energy efficiency incentives in place that Centerpoint is required to pay for (which in the end comes from us) and hardly anyone uses.  As a matter of fact, most people pay serious bucks for these services as opposed to using the program. 

                          Who is talking about a free lunch?  I'm not saying people get free solar panels.  Everyone who chooses to would have 'skin' in the game monthly and paying their part for solar.

                          On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Jay Ring <txses@...> wrote:

                          If the $10 a month per subscriber isn't enough money, it won't be enough
                          money. Adding Centerpoint to the proposal doesn't change that.

                          Part of thinking globally and sustainably means finding solutions that
                          work for everyone, not just a few people. You may have a better view at
                          a football game if you stand up, but if everyone else also stands up
                          too, then we're all worse off.

                          If the incentives work, they draw people into solar systems. Thats the
                          whole point of it. But when everyone is trying to draw the money out,
                          we are all just getting back the $10 we put in in the first place.
                          Adding Centerpoint to the mix means one more salary to pay, and we'd
                          probably only be getting $8-9 of our money back.

                          TANSTAAFL.

                          - Jay



                          --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Edwards-Musa" <steph@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > All of the lines are 'public' which means we as ratepayers pay for the
                          > repair and maintenance in one way or another.
                          >
                          > You would rather have more overhead powerlines?
                          >
                          > My recommendation is not a me, me, me idea. It's something that
                          everyone in
                          > Houston and surrounding areas should be concerned about. PUC approved
                          > Centerpoint to charge us every month for 15 years to upgrade/repair
                          our
                          > power lines. Within that 15 years what is the likelihood that another
                          storm
                          > will roll through? We will be in this same position again and still
                          be
                          > paying time and time again.
                          >
                          > It would be naive to think that if no incentives were offered that we
                          would
                          > not pay anything to repair and replace lines. Since we are already
                          going to
                          > pay Billions for this over the next 15 years then we have the right to
                          > request that outages be reduced next time, right? The cost to bury
                          the
                          > lines is incredibly costly and would likely not significantly recude
                          outages
                          > anyhow.
                          >
                          > Just thinking logically. Centerpoint is not going away. Storms like
                          this
                          > will not make people go off the grid. Why not find a way to make
                          everyone
                          > happy and work WITH the utility companies.
                          >

                          > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Robert Johnston junk1@...wrote:


                          >
                          > > There is no free lunch. If Centerpoint were to pay subsidies,
                          the
                          > > money would have to ultimately come from consumers. Best to cut out
                          the
                          > > middleman.
                          > >
                          > > As for other areas, I'm no expert, but seems to me that with power
                          > > generation and power transmission decoupled as it is in Texas now,
                          there is
                          > > no reason for Centerpoint to incentivize solar.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Robert
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > *From:* hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] *On
                          Behalf Of *Stephanie
                          > > Edwards-Musa
                          > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:29 PM
                          > > *To:* hreg@yahoogroups.com
                          > > *Subject:* Re: [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Robert,
                          > >
                          > > What we pay in over the 15 years is not even hardly 1/4 the cost of
                          a
                          > > system. That is why I had some figures on there. What I am
                          referring to is
                          > > the 40-50% incentive that is offered in other places.
                          > >
                          > > I am saying let's get out of the 17th century with overhead power
                          lines and
                          > > do something that will actually benefit us in the event of another
                          storm
                          > > which will happen, sometime.
                          > >
                          > > $10 towards solar panels a month? That would get me a few yard
                          lights.
                          > >

                          > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Robert Johnston junk1@...


                          > > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. Why would you want to involve
                          a
                          > > middleman—Centerpoint—in the process of purchasing solar
                          panels? You said
                          > > you'd welcome them charging $10 or $20 more per month in return for
                          offering
                          > > incentives to install solar panels. Why not just take the $10 or
                          $20/month
                          > > and use it directly? Go buy your solar panels. You can be sure
                          that this
                          > > would add up to more than the Centerpoint incentives would, after
                          they
                          > > deduct profit, handling costs, etc., from the $10 to $20/month you
                          send
                          > > them.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Robert
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > *From:* hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] *On
                          Behalf Of *Stephanie
                          > > Edwards-Musa
                          > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27 AM
                          > > *To:* hreg@yahoogroups.com
                          > > *Subject:* [hreg] Dear Centerpoint Energy-
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Hi Everyone,
                          > >
                          > > Hope it is ok to post this in to the group, but I was thinking the
                          > > other day about how Centerpoint Energy is going to charge everyone
                          > > to repair the lines that were damaged by Hurricane Ike. The more I
                          > > thought about it the more I realized how absurd this was so I put
                          > > together this article on my website and wanted to know what the
                          > > group's thougts were on the topic.
                          > >
                          > > Basically, instead Centerpoint bringing in over 9M a month to repair
                          > > overhead power lines why not consider Incentives for their customers
                          > > and Houston area residents to install Solar Panels? Here is is. If
                          > > this should not have been posted to the group, I can remove it.
                          > >
                          > > None the less, I would love to hear your thoughts.
                          > >
                          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                          > > Hurricane Ike was only a Category 2 Storm. Yes it caused a lot of
                          > > damage, I'm not downplaying that. But it could have been a lot
                          > > worse. To date there are still nearly 500,000 people without power
                          > > in the Houston area, a full 2 Weeks after the Storm.
                          > >
                          > > On top of that Centerpoint Energy, the company that owns and
                          > > maintains a Majority of the Lines in and around Houston announced
                          > > that they were going to charge Homeowners, Renters, anyone who has
                          > > Electricity $3.50 per 1,000 kwh a month to repair what was broken.
                          > >
                          > > That is not bad. I will not feel that $3.50 a month as most
                          > > Homeowners won't. BUT that is for 15 years! Let that soak in for a
                          > > minute. 15 Years. It was just 3 years ago that we had this SAME
                          > > problem with Hurricane Rita that was not even as Big of a Storm as
                          > > Ike was. So what happens when another storm rolls through? What
                          > > then?
                          > >
                          > > I think this is absurd. Why? Why are we going to pay to repair and
                          > > have MORE overhead power lines surrounded by trees that fall in the
                          > > wind and storms, get struck by lightning and take Power Lines down
                          > > with them. WE ARE IN A HURRICANE PRONE AREA!
                          > >
                          > > Here is the Math behind the Rate Hike:
                          > >
                          > > Everyone pays a MINIMUM of $3.50 a month
                          > >
                          > > Atleast 2.58 Million Customers affected according to recent numbers
                          > > released in the media
                          > >
                          > > Equals a MINIMUM of atleast $9,030,000 each month
                          > >
                          > > Which over 15 years Equals, well, too much money
                          > >
                          > > So here is my request to Centerpoint Energy. I think it makes sense.
                          > >
                          > > Dear Centerpoint Energy, please- instead of adding a measley
                          > > $3.50per 1,000 kwh used to my bill every month please add $10.
                          > > Heck, make it $20! But here is what I ask that you do with it.
                          > >
                          > > Go ahead and repair what is broken. However please do not build
                          > > more poor infrastructure that is so incredibly susceptible to
                          > > Hurricane and Tropical Storm weather. Instead offer incentives for
                          > > Homeowners to go Solar. A simple 2kw system on a Rooftop would run
                          > > almost everything in an average home. It would run a Refrigerator,
                          > > Fans, Lights, Television….everything but your HVAC system. Oh,
                          > > WOW! That is what people are paying $50-$60 a day right now to run
                          > > on a Generator!?! By the time you pay $500 for a generator, add $60
                          > > a day for gas to run it Homeowners have incurred Well over $1,000
                          > > and possibly $2,000 already because of our lines to be taken out.
                          > > The residents in and around Houston are the ones that pay you to be
                          > > in business. Without us, you would not exist. Not that it is
                          > > really relevant, just a reminder.
                          > >
                          > > If you need more reasons why this should be a no brainer, here ya
                          go:
                          > >
                          > > -Solar power is produced MOST when your Grid is the weakest. Smack
                          > > in the middle of the day. That is when Houstonians crank down their
                          > > A/C to stay cool, Refrigerators work harder to stay at temperature,
                          > > etc. You would likely not have to build MORE Grids.
                          > > -From the looks of the media right now, your Customer Complaints are
                          > > at an all time HIGH. Just imagine what it would be like with a
                          > > little Solar on every roof. A whole heck of a lot less.
                          > > -Solar Panels sustain Hurricane Force winds, unlike overhead power
                          > > lines.
                          > > -With Solar Thermal Hot Water we could still have Hot Water during
                          > > outages.
                          > > -I could even install a Solar Power HVAC system!
                          > > -Rates are still going….UP Power is NOT getting CHEAPER- That
                          means
                          > > your costs also.
                          > >
                          > > Why would we charge everyone, including renters, $10 a month per
                          > > 1,000 kwh used? Don't. Keep the hike at $3.50 for Renters and make
                          > > it $10 a month for Homeowners. You already ask whether or not
                          > > people rent or own, right? That's reasonable. Atleast in my mind.
                          > >
                          > > My point is, Hurricane Ike could have been a Category 5 and it is
                          > > likely that we would still have 1.5 million people without power
                          > > right now. How does atleast $9 Million a month justify putting us
                          > > back in that same, highly vulnerable position?
                          > >
                          > > Incentives for us to go Solar, this really should be a No Brainer.
                          > > Thanks.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --
                          > > Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                          > > Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                          > > Mobile: 281-635-9444
                          > > Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                          > > www.TurningHoustonGreen.com

                          > > Steph@...
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --


                          > Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                          > Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                          > Mobile: 281-635-9444
                          > Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                          > www.TurningHoustonGreen.com

                          > Steph@...
                          >




                          --
                          Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                          Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                          Mobile:  281-635-9444
                          Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                          www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                          Steph@...




                          --
                          Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                          Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                          Mobile:  281-635-9444
                          Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                          www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                          Steph@...
                        • Bill Tarbox
                          Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel generated power
                          Message 12 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                            Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6 of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years, 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution -  has admitted he believes Global Warming is real.)
                             
                            I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                             
                            Bill Tarbox
                            Magnolia, TX
                          • Jay Ring
                            There are a lot of reasons to go solar, some good, some bad, and some with subjective costs and benefits where reasonable people can disagreee. All I am saying
                            Message 13 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                              There are a lot of reasons to go solar, some good, some bad, and some
                              with subjective costs and benefits where reasonable people can disagreee.

                              All I am saying is that you can't get Centerpoint (or anyone else) to
                              pay for it. Companies don't pay for these things - their customers do.

                              By the way, can you provide some information on the new $4000 credit?
                              When does it go into effect? I've been planning on doing an install
                              sometime around May 2009, but I would happily accelerate or delay to
                              benefit from an extra 2K.

                              Thanks!

                              - Jay



                              --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarbox" <btarbox@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it
                              > would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel
                              > generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major
                              > problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house
                              > gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global
                              > climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6
                              > of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years,
                              > 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help
                              > reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our
                              > "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution - has admitted he
                              > believes Global Warming is real.)
                              >
                              > I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this
                              > agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil
                              > drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners
                              > installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said
                              > it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to
                              > $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the
                              > energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies
                              > to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to
                              > make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to
                              > develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and
                              > available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it
                              > could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for
                              > gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated
                              > while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this
                              > road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                              >
                              > Bill Tarbox
                              > Magnolia, TX
                              >
                            • Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                              Hi Bill, Yes. That s it exactly. Solar would benefit in so many ways and it is about making it a little more affordable. Add on some sort of local incentive
                              Message 14 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                                Hi Bill,

                                Yes. That's it exactly.  Solar would benefit in so many ways and it is about making it a little more affordable.  Add on some sort of local incentive to the federal one...??? Maybe? 

                                Hi Jay,

                                But that is just it.  We are going to pay for something anyway.  Why not pay for something worth while that will help out in more ways than one?


                                On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Jay Ring <txses@...> wrote:

                                There are a lot of reasons to go solar, some good, some bad, and some
                                with subjective costs and benefits where reasonable people can disagreee.

                                All I am saying is that you can't get Centerpoint (or anyone else) to
                                pay for it. Companies don't pay for these things - their customers do.

                                By the way, can you provide some information on the new $4000 credit?
                                When does it go into effect? I've been planning on doing an install
                                sometime around May 2009, but I would happily accelerate or delay to
                                benefit from an extra 2K.

                                Thanks!

                                - Jay



                                --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarbox" <btarbox@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it
                                > would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel
                                > generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major
                                > problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house
                                > gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global
                                > climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6
                                > of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years,
                                > 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help
                                > reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our
                                > "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution - has admitted he
                                > believes Global Warming is real.)
                                >
                                > I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this
                                > agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil
                                > drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners
                                > installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said
                                > it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to
                                > $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the
                                > energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies
                                > to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to
                                > make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to
                                > develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and
                                > available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it
                                > could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for
                                > gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated
                                > while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this
                                > road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                                >
                                > Bill Tarbox
                                > Magnolia, TX
                                >




                                --
                                Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                                Mobile:  281-635-9444
                                Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                                www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                                Steph@...
                              • Jim & Janet
                                The cost for implementing the solar incentive, the one that failed in Texas 2007 legislative session, would have saddled every INVESTOR OWNED electric utility
                                Message 15 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                                  The cost for implementing the solar incentive, the one that failed in Texas 2007 legislative session, would have saddled every INVESTOR OWNED electric utility customer with a whopping fifty cents per thousand kilowatt hours on every bill.
                                  The "utility" would bear only the expenses of changing the billing and, eventually, replacing everyones kWhr meter with a digital one.
                                  Now everyone needs to turn at once and glare at the utility lobby for blocking this no-brainer solution.
                                   
                                  Jim Duncan
                                  North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
                                  817.917.057
                                  ntrei@...

                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Jay Ring
                                  Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:52 PM
                                  Subject: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                  There are a lot of reasons to go solar, some good, some bad, and some
                                  with subjective costs and benefits where reasonable people can disagreee.

                                  All I am saying is that you can't get Centerpoint (or anyone else) to
                                  pay for it. Companies don't pay for these things - their customers do.

                                  By the way, can you provide some information on the new $4000 credit?
                                  When does it go into effect? I've been planning on doing an install
                                  sometime around May 2009, but I would happily accelerate or delay to
                                  benefit from an extra 2K.

                                  Thanks!

                                  - Jay

                                  --- In hreg@yahoogroups. com, "Bill Tarbox" <btarbox@... > wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it
                                  > would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel
                                  > generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major
                                  > problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house
                                  > gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global
                                  > climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6
                                  > of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years,
                                  > 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help
                                  > reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our
                                  > "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution - has admitted he
                                  > believes Global Warming is real.)
                                  >
                                  > I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this
                                  > agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil
                                  > drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners
                                  > installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said
                                  > it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to
                                  > $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the
                                  > energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies
                                  > to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to
                                  > make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to
                                  > develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and
                                  > available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it
                                  > could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for
                                  > gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated
                                  > while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this
                                  > road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                                  >
                                  > Bill Tarbox
                                  > Magnolia, TX
                                  >

                                • Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                  Hi Jim, Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn t like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                                    Hi Jim,

                                    Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters? 

                                    On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:08 PM, <youragentsteph@...> wrote:
                                    Jim,

                                    Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters?

                                    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


                                    From: "Jim & Janet" <jhd1@...>
                                    Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:54:12 -0500
                                    To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Subject: Re: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                    The cost for implementing the solar incentive, the one that failed in Texas 2007 legislative session, would have saddled every INVESTOR OWNED electric utility customer with a whopping fifty cents per thousand kilowatt hours on every bill.
                                    The "utility" would bear only the expenses of changing the billing and, eventually, replacing everyones kWhr meter with a digital one.
                                    Now everyone needs to turn at once and glare at the utility lobby for blocking this no-brainer solution.
                                     
                                    Jim Duncan
                                    North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
                                    817.917.057
                                    ntrei@...

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Jay Ring
                                    Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:52 PM
                                    Subject: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                    There are a lot of reasons to go solar, some good, some bad, and some
                                    with subjective costs and benefits where reasonable people can disagreee.

                                    All I am saying is that you can't get Centerpoint (or anyone else) to
                                    pay for it. Companies don't pay for these things - their customers do.

                                    By the way, can you provide some information on the new $4000 credit?
                                    When does it go into effect? I've been planning on doing an install
                                    sometime around May 2009, but I would happily accelerate or delay to
                                    benefit from an extra 2K.

                                    Thanks!

                                    - Jay

                                    --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarbox" <btarbox@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it
                                    > would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel
                                    > generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major
                                    > problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house
                                    > gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global
                                    > climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6
                                    > of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years,
                                    > 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help
                                    > reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our
                                    > "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution - has admitted he
                                    > believes Global Warming is real.)
                                    >
                                    > I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this
                                    > agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil
                                    > drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners
                                    > installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said
                                    > it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to
                                    > $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the
                                    > energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies
                                    > to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to
                                    > make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to
                                    > develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and
                                    > available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it
                                    > could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for
                                    > gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated
                                    > while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this
                                    > road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                                    >
                                    > Bill Tarbox
                                    > Magnolia, TX
                                    >




                                    --
                                    Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                    Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                                    Mobile:  281-635-9444
                                    Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                                    www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                                    Steph@...
                                  • David Power
                                    Actually they are in the process of changing the meters, The smart meter initiative at the PUC has been a long hard battle but the new meters will have
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                                      Actually they are in the process of changing the meters, The smart meter initiative at the PUC has been a long hard battle but the new meters will have significant features available to the home owner not just the utility.  Current hearings are being held on the HAN or Home Area Network support of the system and the standards that are proposed to interface with it.
                                      The Itron Openway system that is proposed for the Centerpoint deployment is one of the most advanced, open standards supported systems developed to date.

                                      David Power
                                      Green Planet Energy


                                      On Sep 29, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Stephanie Edwards-Musa wrote:


                                      Hi Jim, 

                                      Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters?  

                                      On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:08 PM, <youragentsteph@ gmail.com> wrote:
                                      Jim, 

                                      Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters?

                                      Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                      From: "Jim & Janet" <jhd1@earthlink. net>
                                      Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:54:12 -0500
                                      To: <hreg@yahoogroups. com>
                                      Subject: Re: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                      The cost for implementing the solar incentive, the one that failed in Texas 2007 legislative session, would have saddled every INVESTOR OWNED electric utility customer with a whopping fifty cents per thousand kilowatt hours on every bill.
                                      The "utility" would bear only the expenses of changing the billing and, eventually, replacing everyones kWhr meter with a digital one.
                                      Now everyone needs to turn at once and glare at the utility lobby for blocking this no-brainer solution.
                                       
                                      Jim Duncan
                                      North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
                                      817.917.057
                                      ntrei@earthlink. net

                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: Jay Ring
                                      Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:52 PM
                                      Subject: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                      There are a lot of reasons to go solar, some good, some bad, and some
                                      with subjective costs and benefits where reasonable people can disagreee.

                                      All I am saying is that you can't get Centerpoint (or anyone else) to
                                      pay for it. Companies don't pay for these things - their customers do.

                                      By the way, can you provide some information on the new $4000 credit?
                                      When does it go into effect? I've been planning on doing an install
                                      sometime around May 2009, but I would happily accelerate or delay to
                                      benefit from an extra 2K.

                                      Thanks!

                                      - Jay

                                      --- In hreg@yahoogroups. com, "Bill Tarbox" <btarbox@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it
                                      > would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel
                                      > generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major
                                      > problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house
                                      > gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global
                                      > climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6
                                      > of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years,
                                      > 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help
                                      > reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our
                                      > "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution - has admitted he
                                      > believes Global Warming is real.)
                                      > 
                                      > I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this
                                      > agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil
                                      > drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners
                                      > installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said
                                      > it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to
                                      > $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the
                                      > energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies
                                      > to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to
                                      > make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to
                                      > develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and
                                      > available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it
                                      > could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for
                                      > gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated
                                      > while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this
                                      > road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                                      > 
                                      > Bill Tarbox
                                      > Magnolia, TX
                                      >




                                      -- 
                                      Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                      Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                                      Mobile:  281-635-9444
                                      Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                                      www.TurningHoustonG reen.com
                                      Steph@TurningHousto nGreen.com


                                    • Jim & Janet
                                      What the lobbyists didn t like was the RE industry, led by TREIA, trying to convince legislators to require utilities to buy more wholesale power generated
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                                        What the lobbyists didn't like was the RE industry, led by TREIA, trying to convince legislators to require utilities to buy more wholesale power generated from renewable energy sources. (PV wind, geothermal, bio-fuel etc) It's called the Renewable Portfolio Standard. The first RPS in 2000 required utilities to buy 2000 megawatts of RE and they had 10 years in which to do it.
                                        The goal was reached in less than 7 years. During the 2007 session, TREIA (we) wanted to increase the RPS to 20% by 2020, a reasonable goal compared to the first RPS. The utility lobbyists blocked it. The RPS was increased only by another 2000 megawatts, about 3%.
                                        The lobbyists were not upset, they were happy.
                                        How many lobbyists you ask?
                                        A senior reporter at the Fort Worth Star Telegram, toward the end of the 2007-2008 session, informed me that TXU had over 120 happy lobbyists registered at the state capitol during that session. TREIA had one.
                                        The mandated 50 cent charge by the utilities deal would have funded a statewide incentive for PV. The legislation never saw the light of day. A well paid lobbyist is a happy lobbyist.

                                        Anyone serious about seeing renewable energy legislation approved is cordially invited to join TREIA at the Capitol this 2009 session to visit with legislators and their staff and to encourage them to pass favorable RE legislation. Anyone who exercises this most fundamental right of free speech will find it a truly gratifying experience. You will see thousands of other citizens doing the same thing while supporting legislation they feel passionate about.
                                        I promise that you will never be the same in your feelings about politics again.
                                         
                                        Jim Duncan
                                        North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
                                        817.917.057
                                        ntrei@...
                                         
                                         
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:11 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                        Hi Jim,

                                        Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters? 

                                        On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:08 PM, <youragentsteph@ gmail.com> wrote:
                                        Jim,

                                        Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters?

                                        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


                                        From: "Jim & Janet" <jhd1@earthlink. net>
                                        Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:54:12 -0500
                                        To: <hreg@yahoogroups. com>
                                        Subject: Re: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                        The cost for implementing the solar incentive, the one that failed in Texas 2007 legislative session, would have saddled every INVESTOR OWNED electric utility customer with a whopping fifty cents per thousand kilowatt hours on every bill.
                                        The "utility" would bear only the expenses of changing the billing and, eventually, replacing everyones kWhr meter with a digital one.
                                        Now everyone needs to turn at once and glare at the utility lobby for blocking this no-brainer solution.
                                         
                                        Jim Duncan
                                        North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
                                        817.917.057
                                        ntrei@earthlink. net

                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Jay Ring
                                        Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:52 PM
                                        Subject: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                        There are a lot of reasons to go solar, some good, some bad, and some
                                        with subjective costs and benefits where reasonable people can disagreee.

                                        All I am saying is that you can't get Centerpoint (or anyone else) to
                                        pay for it. Companies don't pay for these things - their customers do.

                                        By the way, can you provide some information on the new $4000 credit?
                                        When does it go into effect? I've been planning on doing an install
                                        sometime around May 2009, but I would happily accelerate or delay to
                                        benefit from an extra 2K.

                                        Thanks!

                                        - Jay

                                        --- In hreg@yahoogroups. com, "Bill Tarbox" <btarbox@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it
                                        > would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel
                                        > generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major
                                        > problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house
                                        > gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global
                                        > climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6
                                        > of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years,
                                        > 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help
                                        > reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our
                                        > "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution - has admitted he
                                        > believes Global Warming is real.)
                                        >
                                        > I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this
                                        > agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil
                                        > drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners
                                        > installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said
                                        > it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to
                                        > $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the
                                        > energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies
                                        > to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to
                                        > make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to
                                        > develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and
                                        > available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it
                                        > could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for
                                        > gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated
                                        > while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this
                                        > road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                                        >
                                        > Bill Tarbox
                                        > Magnolia, TX
                                        >




                                        --
                                        Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                        Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                                        Mobile:  281-635-9444
                                        Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                                        www.TurningHoustonG reen.com
                                        Steph@TurningHousto nGreen.com

                                      • Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                        Hi David, Where can I find information on all of this stuff? ... -- Stephanie Edwards-Musa Realtor, Certified EcoBroker Mobile: 281-635-9444 Prudential Gary
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                                          Hi David,

                                          Where can I find information on all of this stuff?

                                          On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:18 PM, David Power <dpower@...> wrote:

                                          Actually they are in the process of changing the meters, The smart meter initiative at the PUC has been a long hard battle but the new meters will have significant features available to the home owner not just the utility.  Current hearings are being held on the HAN or Home Area Network support of the system and the standards that are proposed to interface with it.

                                          The Itron Openway system that is proposed for the Centerpoint deployment is one of the most advanced, open standards supported systems developed to date.

                                          David Power
                                          Green Planet Energy


                                          On Sep 29, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Stephanie Edwards-Musa wrote:


                                          Hi Jim, 

                                          Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters?  

                                          On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:08 PM, <youragentsteph@...> wrote:
                                          Jim, 

                                          Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters?

                                          Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                          From: "Jim & Janet" <jhd1@...>
                                          Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:54:12 -0500
                                          To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Subject: Re: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                          The cost for implementing the solar incentive, the one that failed in Texas 2007 legislative session, would have saddled every INVESTOR OWNED electric utility customer with a whopping fifty cents per thousand kilowatt hours on every bill.
                                          The "utility" would bear only the expenses of changing the billing and, eventually, replacing everyones kWhr meter with a digital one.
                                          Now everyone needs to turn at once and glare at the utility lobby for blocking this no-brainer solution.
                                           
                                          Jim Duncan
                                          North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
                                          817.917.057
                                          ntrei@...

                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Jay Ring
                                          Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:52 PM
                                          Subject: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                          There are a lot of reasons to go solar, some good, some bad, and some
                                          with subjective costs and benefits where reasonable people can disagreee.

                                          All I am saying is that you can't get Centerpoint (or anyone else) to
                                          pay for it. Companies don't pay for these things - their customers do.

                                          By the way, can you provide some information on the new $4000 credit?
                                          When does it go into effect? I've been planning on doing an install
                                          sometime around May 2009, but I would happily accelerate or delay to
                                          benefit from an extra 2K.

                                          Thanks!

                                          - Jay

                                          --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarbox" <btarbox@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it
                                          > would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel
                                          > generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major
                                          > problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house
                                          > gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global
                                          > climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6
                                          > of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years,
                                          > 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help
                                          > reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our
                                          > "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution - has admitted he
                                          > believes Global Warming is real.)
                                          > 
                                          > I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this
                                          > agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil
                                          > drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners
                                          > installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said
                                          > it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to
                                          > $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the
                                          > energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies
                                          > to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to
                                          > make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to
                                          > develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and
                                          > available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it
                                          > could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for
                                          > gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated
                                          > while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this
                                          > road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                                          > 
                                          > Bill Tarbox
                                          > Magnolia, TX
                                          >




                                          -- 

                                          Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                          Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                                          Mobile:  281-635-9444
                                          Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                                          www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                                          Steph@...





                                          --
                                          Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                          Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                                          Mobile:  281-635-9444
                                          Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                                          www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                                          Steph@...
                                        • Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                          Jim, We should set up a time to talk sometime. :) This is great info. Seriously, I d like to see something good happen with solar incentives. Surely I m not
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Sep 29, 2008
                                            Jim,

                                            We should set up a time to talk sometime.  :) 

                                            This is great info.  Seriously, I'd like to see something good happen with solar incentives.  Surely I'm not the only one.

                                            On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Jim & Janet <jhd1@...> wrote:

                                            What the lobbyists didn't like was the RE industry, led by TREIA, trying to convince legislators to require utilities to buy more wholesale power generated from renewable energy sources. (PV wind, geothermal, bio-fuel etc) It's called the Renewable Portfolio Standard. The first RPS in 2000 required utilities to buy 2000 megawatts of RE and they had 10 years in which to do it.
                                            The goal was reached in less than 7 years. During the 2007 session, TREIA (we) wanted to increase the RPS to 20% by 2020, a reasonable goal compared to the first RPS. The utility lobbyists blocked it. The RPS was increased only by another 2000 megawatts, about 3%.
                                            The lobbyists were not upset, they were happy.
                                            How many lobbyists you ask?
                                            A senior reporter at the Fort Worth Star Telegram, toward the end of the 2007-2008 session, informed me that TXU had over 120 happy lobbyists registered at the state capitol during that session. TREIA had one.
                                            The mandated 50 cent charge by the utilities deal would have funded a statewide incentive for PV. The legislation never saw the light of day. A well paid lobbyist is a happy lobbyist.

                                            Anyone serious about seeing renewable energy legislation approved is cordially invited to join TREIA at the Capitol this 2009 session to visit with legislators and their staff and to encourage them to pass favorable RE legislation. Anyone who exercises this most fundamental right of free speech will find it a truly gratifying experience. You will see thousands of other citizens doing the same thing while supporting legislation they feel passionate about.
                                            I promise that you will never be the same in your feelings about politics again.
                                             
                                            Jim Duncan
                                            North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
                                            817.917.057
                                            ntrei@...
                                             
                                             
                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:11 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                            Hi Jim,

                                            Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters? 

                                            On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:08 PM, <youragentsteph@...> wrote:
                                            Jim,

                                            Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters?

                                            Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


                                            From: "Jim & Janet" <jhd1@...>
                                            Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:54:12 -0500
                                            To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Subject: Re: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                            The cost for implementing the solar incentive, the one that failed in Texas 2007 legislative session, would have saddled every INVESTOR OWNED electric utility customer with a whopping fifty cents per thousand kilowatt hours on every bill.
                                            The "utility" would bear only the expenses of changing the billing and, eventually, replacing everyones kWhr meter with a digital one.
                                            Now everyone needs to turn at once and glare at the utility lobby for blocking this no-brainer solution.
                                             
                                            Jim Duncan
                                            North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
                                            817.917.057
                                            ntrei@...

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Jay Ring
                                            Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:52 PM
                                            Subject: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                            There are a lot of reasons to go solar, some good, some bad, and some
                                            with subjective costs and benefits where reasonable people can disagreee.

                                            All I am saying is that you can't get Centerpoint (or anyone else) to
                                            pay for it. Companies don't pay for these things - their customers do.

                                            By the way, can you provide some information on the new $4000 credit?
                                            When does it go into effect? I've been planning on doing an install
                                            sometime around May 2009, but I would happily accelerate or delay to
                                            benefit from an extra 2K.

                                            Thanks!

                                            - Jay

                                            --- In hreg@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarbox" <btarbox@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it
                                            > would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel
                                            > generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major
                                            > problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house
                                            > gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global
                                            > climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6
                                            > of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years,
                                            > 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help
                                            > reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our
                                            > "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution - has admitted he
                                            > believes Global Warming is real.)
                                            >
                                            > I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this
                                            > agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil
                                            > drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners
                                            > installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said
                                            > it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to
                                            > $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the
                                            > energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies
                                            > to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to
                                            > make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to
                                            > develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and
                                            > available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it
                                            > could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for
                                            > gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated
                                            > while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this
                                            > road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                                            >
                                            > Bill Tarbox
                                            > Magnolia, TX
                                            >




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                                            Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                                            Mobile:  281-635-9444
                                            Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                                            www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                                            Steph@...




                                            --
                                            Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                            Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                                            Mobile:  281-635-9444
                                            Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                                            www.TurningHoustonGreen.com
                                            Steph@...
                                          • Bill Tarbox
                                            Hi Jay, No, unfortunately, I have not yet heard when they are proposing the hike in the solar tax credits for home owners. I heard this in an interview on KPFT
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Sep 30, 2008
                                              Hi Jay,
                                               
                                              No, unfortunately, I have not yet heard when they are proposing the hike in the solar tax credits for home owners. I heard this in an interview on KPFT 90.1 FM Houston. I've surfed around their web site for more info but there's nothing relating to details on the solar tax credit.
                                               
                                              Like you, I would jump at installing solar panels in a minute if I could get a reasonable tax credit and even a $4,000 is pretty alluring. As it is now, like many folks I know, I keep waiting for the prices to drop to get better deals but time is not on our side so I will probably "bite the bullet" in a year or two and get the panels. (Get a nice discount on the panels and system, no electric bill, possibly even sell excess power back to the grid? SWEET!!!)
                                               
                                              Regards!
                                               
                                              Bill Tarbox
                                              Magnolia, TX
                                            • Henry H Haynes
                                              Hey Bill, et al: Along those same lines,  I often think what a difference it would have made if we would have taken the hundreds of billions of dollars being
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Sep 30, 2008
                                                Hey Bill, et al:

                                                Along those same lines,  I often think what a difference it would have made if we would have taken the hundreds of billions of dollars being dumped into Iraq & put this capital into solar & wind along with the necessary infrastructure to deliver it.  With that kind of investment, would we even be concerned about oil imports after about ten or twenty years?  (Sorry, I usually try to stay somewhat non-political, but it's hard in this case.)

                                                I think it would be very interesting to see some "what if" calculations.  i.e. What if we were to take a trillion dollars (sadly a fairly conservative figure) & put it into wind farms & grid connections?  How many millions of bbls. of oil per year could be replaced?  I'm sure some of you out there have access to construction costs,  expected power outputs from wind generators, etc., from which calculations could be run.  I tried to find these data w/out much luck.

                                                HHH

                                                --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Bill Tarbox <btarbox@...> wrote:
                                                From: Bill Tarbox <btarbox@...>
                                                Subject: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-
                                                To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 3:41 PM

                                                Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6 of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years, 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution -  has admitted he believes Global Warming is real.)
                                                 
                                                I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                                                 
                                                Bill Tarbox
                                                Magnolia, TX
                                              • Gary Beck
                                                This is not necessarily a renewable energy issue, with the exception of if you had a solar panel rip off part of your roof, or if you had a tree remove a
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Sep 30, 2008

                                                  This is not necessarily a renewable energy issue, with the exception of if you had a solar panel rip off part of your roof,  or if you had a tree remove a dormer (just inspected one) that is letting out your air conditioning.  

                                                   

                                                  We have always provides engineering design and inspection services for new builds, and renovations. Recently we have been active with storm related damage.  We provide a comprehensive engineer stamped report at the same price as before the storm.

                                                   

                                                  If any HREG members or their neighbors have storm damage requiring an engineer’s report, please contact us for a quote.

                                                   

                                                  Gary Beck, P.E., SECB, LEED AP

                                                  Eco-Holdings LLC - Engineering Services

                                                  4010 Blue Bonnet Blvd., Ste 114, Houston, TX 77025

                                                  Tel: 713-377-4209, Fax: 832-201-5338 Cell: 713-530-1950

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Gary Beck is SECB certified in the Practice of Structural Engineering, a structural inspector for the Texas Residential Construction Commission SIRP program, and a listed Engineer for the Texas Department of Insurance Wind Storm program. Eco provides Engineering and Engineer's Inspection Services for Residential, Commercial, Lodging, Educational, Industrial and Government Facilities. Eco's design engineering services include AutoCAD based construction documents for permitting and building foundations, structures, storm water systems, and detention ponds; and Autodesk Revit based 3D Building Information Modeling for green building practices.

                                                   

                                                • Kevin Conlin
                                                  Unfortunately, energy and politics are tightly intertwined, but you are exactly right. That type of investment into renewables would address the issues of
                                                  Message 24 of 26 , Sep 30, 2008

                                                    Unfortunately, energy and politics are tightly intertwined, but you are exactly right.  That type of investment into renewables would address the issues of foreign oil dependence, global warming, the trade deficit and would likely reduce the chances that we will be drawn into another war over resources.

                                                     

                                                    The problem is that would make too much sense and actually benefit the American people.  Congress doesn’t think like that anymore.  Don’t get me started……..!

                                                     

                                                    Kevin Conlin

                                                    Solarcraft, Inc.

                                                    4007-C Greenbriar Drive

                                                    Stafford, TX 77477

                                                    Local (281) 340-1224

                                                    Toll Free (877) 340-1224

                                                    Fax (281) 340-1230

                                                    Cell (281) 960-8979

                                                    kconlin@...

                                                    www.solarcraft.net

                                                     


                                                    From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto: hreg@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Henry H Haynes
                                                    Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:51 AM
                                                    To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Subject: Re: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                                     

                                                    Hey Bill, et al:

                                                    Along those same lines,  I often think what a difference it would have made if we would have taken the hundreds of billions of dollars being dumped into Iraq & put this capital into solar & wind along with the necessary infrastructure to deliver it.  With that kind of investment, would we even be concerned about oil imports after about ten or twenty years?  (Sorry, I usually try to stay somewhat non-political, but it's hard in this case.)

                                                    I think it would be very interesting to see some "what if" calculations.  i.e. What if we were to take a trillion dollars (sadly a fairly conservative figure) & put it into wind farms & grid connections?  How many millions of bbls. of oil per year could be replaced?  I'm sure some of you out there have access to construction costs,  expected power outputs from wind generators, etc., from which calculations could be run.  I tried to find these data w/out much luck.

                                                    HHH

                                                    --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Bill Tarbox <btarbox@encorebank. com> wrote:

                                                    From: Bill Tarbox <btarbox@encorebank. com>
                                                    Subject: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-
                                                    To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
                                                    Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 3:41 PM

                                                    Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6 of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years, 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution -  has admitted he believes Global Warming is real.)

                                                     

                                                    I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)

                                                     

                                                    Bill Tarbox

                                                    Magnolia, TX

                                                  • David Power
                                                    If you go to the PUC website and look for project 34610 that would be a good place to start. there are a lot of materials and responses to go through. David
                                                    Message 25 of 26 , Oct 1, 2008
                                                      If you go to the PUC website and look for project 34610 that would be a good place to start. there are a lot of materials and responses to go through.

                                                      David
                                                      On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Stephanie Edwards-Musa wrote:


                                                      Hi David,

                                                      Where can I find information on all of this stuff?

                                                      On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:18 PM, David Power <dpower@hal-pc. org> wrote:

                                                      Actually they are in the process of changing the meters, The smart meter initiative at the PUC has been a long hard battle but the new meters will have significant features available to the home owner not just the utility.  Current hearings are being held on the HAN or Home Area Network support of the system and the standards that are proposed to interface with it.

                                                      The Itron Openway system that is proposed for the Centerpoint deployment is one of the most advanced, open standards supported systems developed to date.

                                                      David Power
                                                      Green Planet Energy


                                                      On Sep 29, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Stephanie Edwards-Musa wrote:


                                                      Hi Jim, 

                                                      Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters?  

                                                      On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:08 PM, <youragentsteph@ gmail.com> wrote:
                                                      Jim, 

                                                      Out of curiosity what did the lobbyists not like about? Was there junk in the proposal they didn't like? Or just the obvious costs of replacing the meters?

                                                      Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                                      From: "Jim & Janet" <jhd1@earthlink. net>
                                                      Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:54:12 -0500
                                                      To: <hreg@yahoogroups. com>
                                                      Subject: Re: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                                      The cost for implementing the solar incentive, the one that failed in Texas 2007 legislative session, would have saddled every INVESTOR OWNED electric utility customer with a whopping fifty cents per thousand kilowatt hours on every bill.
                                                      The "utility" would bear only the expenses of changing the billing and, eventually, replacing everyones kWhr meter with a digital one.
                                                      Now everyone needs to turn at once and glare at the utility lobby for blocking this no-brainer solution.
                                                       
                                                      Jim Duncan
                                                      North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
                                                      817.917.057
                                                      ntrei@earthlink. net

                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                      From: Jay Ring
                                                      Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:52 PM
                                                      Subject: [hreg] Re:Dear Centerpoint Energy-

                                                      There are a lot of reasons to go solar, some good, some bad, and some
                                                      with subjective costs and benefits where reasonable people can disagreee.

                                                      All I am saying is that you can't get Centerpoint (or anyone else) to
                                                      pay for it. Companies don't pay for these things - their customers do.

                                                      By the way, can you provide some information on the new $4000 credit?
                                                      When does it go into effect? I've been planning on doing an install
                                                      sometime around May 2009, but I would happily accelerate or delay to
                                                      benefit from an extra 2K.

                                                      Thanks!

                                                      - Jay

                                                      --- In hreg@yahoogroups. com, "Bill Tarbox" <btarbox@...> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > Just to add to your argument for converting to solar, if we did so it
                                                      > would reduce the need for coal-fired power plants and other fossil fuel
                                                      > generated power sources. This alone, would help solve a number of major
                                                      > problems facing us. It's now a well-established fact that green-house
                                                      > gases (created from energy generation) has a direct link to both global
                                                      > climate change and the recent development of more severe hurricanes (6
                                                      > of the 10 worst hurricanes on record have occurred in the last 10 years,
                                                      > 3 in 2005 alone). My point is, that converting to solar would also help
                                                      > reduce the potential for even more devastating hurricanes. (Even our
                                                      > "president" - who doesn't believe in evolution - has admitted he
                                                      > believes Global Warming is real.)
                                                      > 
                                                      > I heard that one of the bargaining chips the opponents require to this
                                                      > agreement Congress made to open the Atlantic coast to offshore oil
                                                      > drilling was to include a doubling of the tax credit to homeowners
                                                      > installing solar panels from $2,000 to $4,000. An industry expert said
                                                      > it's a start but if they were serious they would have made it $10,000 to
                                                      > $15,000. Then, who WOULDN'T go solar!? That is my biggest beef with the
                                                      > energy crisis and the ridiculous plans they come up with (MORE subsidies
                                                      > to the oil industry). And the big argument is that we can't afford to
                                                      > make the changes overnight to renewable energy, it will take years to
                                                      > develop technology. HELL YES we can! The technology is already here and
                                                      > available. It the government was serious about solving the problem it
                                                      > could be done "overnight"! (By the way, thank you, Mr. Reagan, for
                                                      > gutting all the renewable energy programs President Carter initiated
                                                      > while he was in office! Thanks for steering us BACK on course down this
                                                      > road to dependence on foreign fossil fuel!)
                                                      > 
                                                      > Bill Tarbox
                                                      > Magnolia, TX
                                                      >




                                                      -- 

                                                      Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                                      Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                                                      Mobile:  281-635-9444
                                                      Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                                                      www.TurningHoustonG reen.com
                                                      Steph@TurningHousto nGreen.com





                                                      -- 
                                                      Stephanie Edwards-Musa
                                                      Realtor, Certified EcoBroker
                                                      Mobile:  281-635-9444
                                                      Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors
                                                      www.TurningHoustonG reen.com
                                                      Steph@TurningHousto nGreen.com


                                                    • David Power
                                                      The project is known as AMIT or the Advanced Metering Infrastructure Team, They have several projects working, meter features (finished we think), HAN Home
                                                      Message 26 of 26 , Oct 1, 2008
                                                        The project is known as AMIT  or the Advanced Metering Infrastructure Team,
                                                        They have several projects working, meter features (finished we think), HAN "Home area Network",RMI Retail market interface (this is the web site that you can go and look at your rates utilization and consumption figures). The will also be working on security of the network and of the web sites, audit structures and data storage.

                                                        I started working on this a couple of years back and some pretty good features and technologies have been put into the system as well as the adoption of open standards (YEA) for the network. Texas will have one of the most advanced metering infrastructures and have adopted more open standards then just about anyplace in the world when finished. 

                                                        The utilities in southern california and Ontario started pushing for this and it took a while for the meter manufactures and utilities to get with the program but things are moving right along.

                                                        See the Green Grid, UtilityAMI and ansi c12.22 for the latest.

                                                        The technology would have really helped after the hurricane speeding the identification of repair sites.

                                                        David

                                                        On Oct 1, 2008, at 5:06 PM, David Power wrote:

                                                        If you go to the PUC website and look for project 34610 that would be a good place to start. there are a lot of materials and responses to go through.


                                                        David
                                                        On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Stephanie Edwards-Musa wrote:


                                                        Hi David,

                                                        Where can I find information on all of this stuff?

                                                        On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:18 PM, David Power <dpower@hal-pc. org> wrote:

                                                        Actually they are in the process of changing the meters, The smart meter initiative at the PUC has been a long hard battle but the new meters will have significant features available to the home owner not just the utility.  Current hearings are being held on the HAN or Home Area Network support of the system and the standards that are proposed to interface with it.

                                                        The Itron Openway system that is proposed for the Centerpoint deployment is one of the most advanced, open standards supported systems developed to date.

                                                        David Power
                                                        Green Planet Energy

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