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  • Gary Beck
    If you check, you may agree that the free program may not fit all people. I apparenty would not qualify for anything - not even free light bulbs or shower
    Message 1 of 8 , Apr 18, 2008

      If you check, you may agree that the 'free' program may not 'fit' all people.  I apparenty would not qualify for anything - not even free light bulbs or shower heads.


      Program Requirements




      HOME CANNOT BE ENERGY STAR (some homes built after 2001 can be)








      In order to qualify for the energy saving lightbulbs and water saving showerheads, we have to pass at least one major measure (infiltration, duct or ceiling insulation) AND the income requirement has to be met.  Additionally, the water heater must be electric to install the water saving showerheads.

      *Lightbulbs and showerheads require that the household earn less than a certain amount or the homeowner receive some sort of benefit like Medicare or Food stampsEligibility is determined when you call to sign up.  The lightbulbs are installed when the crew comes to your home and passes a major measure and you have signed the income verification form qualifying you for the lightbulbs.  Lightbulbs and showerheads are installed during the visit when the major measure passes.  Again your water heater has to be electric for us to install showerheads. 





      From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Edwards-Musa
      Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:58 AM
      To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [hreg] Home energy raters...


      That's why I like the sound of the free programs offered by 3rd parties on behalf of utility providers.


      www.freelightingcorp.com  <<<---here is one.


      I would still like to hear more about the Green Mountain Program through SRE..


      Stephanie Edwards-Musa
      Realtor®, Certified EcoBroker®
      Coldwell Banker United, Realtors®
      1500 Research Forest #200
      The Woodlands, TX 77381
      Direct:  281-635-9444
      Fax:  281-364-8602

      --- eco@... wrote:

      From: "Gary Beck" <eco@...>
      To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: RE: [hreg] Home energy raters...
      Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:44:52 -0700

      Some energy consultant/inspectors use a infrared imaging device to show and record actual energy leakage at doors windows, ducts, etc, or just poorly insulated areas. The report is all they offer.

      I do not think the report is too expensive ($200 to 400?) given the usefullness of the written report and images contained within. This allows a homeowner to tackle the biggest energy loser items first maximizing the return on each fix.


      From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony W. DeRamus
      Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:59 AM
      To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [hreg] Home energy raters...



      I personally believe Jim is correct in that some companies that offer the services they recommend after an audit can lead to unneeded items.  I mention this quite often in my presentations on energy ratings. However, I would not collectivley include all companies as unethical in their approach to resolving the inefficiencies found after an audit.  I believe it becomes problematic when a company’s primary business is HVAC or radiant barriers, and the rating or audit, is more of an adjunct.  That is not the case with SRE.

      Although my company only does the ratings and audits, our customers usually ask us if we can perform the upgrades as well.  Most homeowners do not have the experience of taking bids, handling lien releases, verifying if the work was done properly, and, most importantly, the time to oversee the project(s).  This is typically referred to as “Home Performance Contracting” and is very common.

      The homeowner should do a little homework before choosing a rating company.  Especially, since so many companies are jumping on the “green” bandwagon to simply make a few dollars.  Although a competitor, Standard Renewable should not be lumped into this category. 

      Tony W. DeRamus


      Beacon Energy Solutions
      4801 Woodway Dr., Ste 300 East
      Houston, Texas 77056
      713-970-1002 Office
      713-589-9880 Fax

      ----- Original Message -----

      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:57 PM

      Subject: Re: [hreg] Home energy raters...


      I see what you are getting at, and I would probably question the integrity of some companies.  But, Standard Renewable Energy is what most know to be Newpoint Energy.  I trust Chris and all of the guys I have met over there.  They seem to rely on word of mouth and positive customer relations.


      Maybe Chris Boyer will hop on and talk about the program.

      Stephanie Edwards-Musa
      Realtor®, Certified EcoBroker®
      Coldwell Banker United, Realtors®
      1500 Research Forest #200
      The Woodlands, TX 77381
      Direct:  281-635-9444
      Fax:  281-364-8602

      --- jhd1@... wrote:

      From: "Jim & Janet" <jhd1@...>
      To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: Re: [hreg] Home energy raters...
      Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:51:04 -0500


      True. But electric utilities are also mandated to reduce demand by their customers. Energy audits is just one of the ways they "try" to get us to buy less electricity. Anyway, utilities only sell electricity and not home energy efficiency upgrades.



      ----- Original Message -----

      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:41 PM

      Subject: Re: [hreg] Home energy raters...


      I don't really see it as unethical as there is a program mandated by the state for utility providers to offer free audits and free maintenance repairs such as caulking, sealing air returns, weather stripping, etc.   The first email mentioned it was mentioned on behalf of Green Mountain Energy so it makes sense...


      Stephanie Edwards-Musa
      Realtor®, Certified EcoBroker®
      Coldwell Banker United, Realtors®
      1500 Research Forest #200
      The Woodlands, TX 77381
      Direct:  281-635-9444
      Fax:  281-364-8602

      --- jhd1@... wrote:

      From: "Jim & Janet" <jhd1@...>
      To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: [hreg] Home energy raters...
      Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:34:27 -0500

      Many electric utilities will offer a home energy audit as well as a number of residential builders. However, though it's not against the law to offer this service, it is un-ethical to perform audits and recommend repairs or upgrades that are performed by that business or it's affiliate.

      For instance, if a rater gives you a list of items that they claim will improve your homes energy efficiency, including a new more efficient HVAC system, if that company sells/installs (or is affiliated with a HVAC installation company) they are violating the ethical standards of the Texas Home Energy Raters. this could be spray-in foam insulation, radiant barriers or any number of specialties including solar PV.

      Again, it's not illegal but it is un-ethical. Apparently it is a big problem since home rating licensing services receive numerous complaints in this relatively new (in the southern US) business.

      Please investigate closely any offers before you pay your money. Ask for references and don't be sold something you don't need.

      Jim Duncan




      ----- Original Message -----

      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:31 PM

      Subject: [SPAM] [hreg] Standard Renewable Energy



      Have you heard of Standard Renewable Energy Company? I am asking because my electric provider Green Mountain said they will do a free solar audit for our house for free.

      Thank you.

      Kevin Conlin <kconlin@...> wrote:

      Regarding the electrolysis of water into oxygen and hydrogen to inject with the fuel in an internal combustion engine, Myth Busters just did an experiment with a variety of “mileage boosters”, including that one.  Made no difference in mileage, and I’m guessing the additional electrical load placed on the alternator would consume more power than the injection of tiny amounts of hydrogen would provide.  Waste of time and money.

      Kevin Conlin

      Solarcraft, Inc.

      4007C Greenbriar

      Stafford, TX 77477

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      From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandi Booth
      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:41 PM
      To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [hreg] inexpensive, fuel-efficient vehicle guidance

      Interesting you should bring up this issue.  I have put some numbers to the cost of the hybrid cars and for the additional dollars it doesn't pay financially to purchase one unless gas goes up several more dollars a gallon.  Which of course it could.   I would love to alter a car to run on water but it is over my head in reading the schematics.  I was thinking about finding a physics student and a mechanic that would like to do this for me.  Anybody willing to experiment with me?  Check out this website.   http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans.htm
      You can also find videos and pictures of the combustion chamber on U-Tube.

      To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
      From: anniemktx@...
      Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:18:19 -0700
      Subject: Re: [hreg] inexpensive, fuel-efficient vehicle guidance

      I've been driving a Toyota Echo and it is just fine. I can drive to Nacogdoches and back, and still go to work a couple of days on a tank, which costs about $35.00 (I don't keep up well with exact mpgs).  Good luck.

      Mark Venzke <mv.deziner@...> wrote:


      Please extend any information or advice that you may have about inexpensive, fuel-efficient vehicles.

      I am seriously considering purchasing a new or used car or mini-pickup truck very soon.  My research has lead me to consider the following:

      • Kia Rio 5  (a hatchback)
      • Kia Cinco (predecessor to the Kia 5)
      • Hundai Accent
      • Toyota Echo (out of production but very fuel efficient)
      • Toyota, Nissan or pre-Ford Mazda mini-pickup truck

      Sure, I would like to buy a hybrid vehicle, but they are relatively expensive.  Sure, I would like to buy a fuel cell vehicle, but they are still being developed.  Sure, I would like a hydrogen vehicle, but no sub-compact cars offer this system.  Sure, I would like a natural gas vehicle, but fueling stations are few and more than a tankful of natural gas between.  Sure, I would like a bio-fuel vehicle, but I do not want to contribute to food shortages and starvation.  Sure, I would like to buy a vehicle that would have been made in the United States, but such vehicles do not compare favorably in specifications, warranty and crash-test performance to Korean-made Kia and Hyundai vehicles.

      With a vehicle in which investing in fuel-efficiency-enhancement systems of which I have learned, I think that I could "tweak" a new or used vehicle to get substantially better fuel efficiency.  I would, in effect, be "hybridizing" a conventional vehicle.  Like me, many of you have probably happened upon Internet sites that offer on-board, water dissociating systems that introduce into the fuel-air mixture hydrogen and oxygen that add more "bang" to the fuel and yield greatly improved fuel efficiency.

      I am leaning toward the 2008 Rio 5 (2007 if a dealer still has one that it would sell at a bargain price).

      • $13,540
      • 27/32 mpg with a 5-speed, manual transmission
      • 10-year/100,000-mile drive train warranty
      • 5-year/60,000-mile bumper-to-bumper warranty
      • 5-year/100,000-mile corrosion warranty
      • 5-year/60,000-mile roadside assistance service
      • five-star crash test
      • J D Power & Associates highest ranked sub-compact car in initial quality

      I would prefer to buy a three- to five-year-old car, but, ironically, getting financing on a new car appears to me to be easier than getting financing on a used car.  With no money down, non-stellar credit and a very rough, old car for trade-in, I do not think I have the option of considering a used car.  Fortunately, I have two, modest-but-steadily-paying jobs.

      A salesman at a Kia dealership here, in greater Houston, told me on the telephone that he is eager to deal with me despite the particulars of my situation.

      Do you have or have you had one of the vehicles that I am considering?  If you have one or if you have had one, what do you think of it?

      Can you suggest inexpensive, fuel efficient vehicles that I do not list above?

      Can you recommend vehicle dealerships or salespersons?

      Can you recomend any way(s) to make a 1988 Chevrolet Celebrity get thirty or more miles per gallon?  (It presently gets seventeen miles per gallon.)


      Mark Venzke

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