RE: [hreg] What's the hreg mission
Rest assured we're in agreement except sometimes we lose track of things through lack of proper communications or misunderstanding. I nearly agree on all points you have brought up below.
Rest assured, I am for renewable energy just like most of you on this discussion forum. While some people might choose to use renewable energy but most folks around the world will watch their wallets and decide on which form of energy they want to use. Right now it's fossil fuel. But that shouldn't stop us from trying alternative energy. Keep in mind that economics will make the ultimate decision for us.
Peak Oil will be the ultimate decider for people to start changing over from fossil fuel to renewable energy. Peak Oil is coming soon! Is that a blessing or bad omen? The top expert on Peak Oil is Mat Simmons from Houston. He believes we're already in it. But, why we don't hear much about it? Is it possible that our government and Wall Street downplays it to avoid a big scare & panic?
On the other hand there are other consultants who believe we're at least a 100 years away. As a petroleum consultant, I believe we'll reach Peak Oil sometime between 2013 & 2015. Why all these experts have differences? Each uses a basis for his/her calculations.
Today, what we all should be talking about is Peak Oil. This will be the ultimate factor to start converting to renewable energy. Until then let the tinkerers tinker and eventually we'll get there. Rest assured, it's not too far away.
Robert Johnston <junk1@...> wrote:Ahmad,I think you and I share the perspective that economics is the most important driver, not technology for technologys sake. As you read from Charles Mauch and others, the economics are skewed due to subsidiesdirect and hidden. However, except for early adopters like some HREG members, most consumers will make their decisions based on the immediate impact to their wallets. Just because one technology is theoretically more expensive if there were no subsidies doesnt mean someone wont buy it now since they dont see the subsidies (or to put it another way, theyve already paid the subsidy and have no control over it anyway). There are some consumers who are in a unique situation and are economically advantaged even today to use RE and thus do so. (Off-grid remote sites, etc.rather like your pipeline applications) .
While it is unrealistic to expect widespread adoption without an economic driver, that doesnt mean we cant be developing the technology and improving it so that we can accelerate the break-even point. I think that is part of what HREG can do. Each member that supports the fledgling industry now helps make it more economically affordable in the future. An analogy would be the early personal computer industrymany HREG members are tinkerers and hobbyists analogous to the folks that built PCs in their garages in the early days. It is on their successes and progress that the affordability and technology is developed for the mass of future users. That is a role early adopters can play.I cant speak for the group, but for myself, the reasons Im interested in renewable energy instead of oil and natural gas are many, but a few are: (1) many renewables have predictable costs, primarily upfront capital costs, and are immune to fuel cost fluctuations; (2) renewables [Im primarily interested in solar] have no emissions except during manufacture of the solar panels etc.; (3) renewables help preserve a precious resource for future generationsI am in the plastics business and think the value of oil/natural gas as a chemical feedstock is too important to waste by burning it [burn the plastic if you prefer, but at least let the raw materials cycle through useful materials once in their lifetime]; (4) the cost of oil is expected to rise as supplies become more restricted, thus we need to line up alternative technologies to replace oil when it becomes prohibitive to continue using oil as fuel for a majority of applications. [I personally dont think we should jump the gun on that via regulation or government mandates as wed put ourselves at a competitive disadvantage to other countries without such requirements. And the ethanol fiasco is a great example of how we should NOT want government subsidies of RE decided by politics rather than science; or, better yet, why subsidies should disappear altogether from both renewables AND oil & gas].
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- One of the members of our Low Carbon Diet class said she hangs
clothes inside to dry. That provides the added benefit of
humidifying the house a little. A good thing to try for people who
haven't had luck drying outside. I myself, like Lunce, love those
ozone smelling sheets!
In firstname.lastname@example.org, Garth & Kim Travis <gartht@...> wrote:
> I haven't been to a meeting of HREG for a long time, but the green
> symposium last February sure made me sick, the majority of the
> were very fragrant. It would be wonderful if you are correct.another, since
> Bright Blessings,
> Ariel Thomann wrote:
> > Surely nobody on this list is still using those little sheets!
> > Ariel
> > - We are all Human beings here together. We have to help one
> > otherwise there is NO ONE who will help.Think ahead 7
> > - All countries need a NO REGRETS strategic energy policy.
> > generations.the poisonous
> > ------------------------------------
> >> Greetings,
> >> Well said Bashir. Not only that, they smell nice without using
> >> chemicals of dryer sheets.
> >> Bright Blessings,
> >> Kim