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RE: [hreg] What's the hreg mission

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  • Solar Energy
    Robert, Rest assured we re in agreement except sometimes we lose track of things through lack of proper communications or misunderstanding. I nearly agree
    Message 1 of 47 , Oct 8, 2007
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      Rest assured we're in agreement except sometimes we lose track of things through lack of proper communications or misunderstanding.  I nearly agree on all points you have brought up below.

      Rest assured, I am for renewable energy just like most of you on this discussion forum.  While some people might choose to use renewable energy but most folks around the world will watch their wallets and decide on which form of energy they want to use.   Right now it's fossil fuel.  But that shouldn't stop us from trying alternative energy.   Keep in mind that economics will make the ultimate decision for us.

      Peak Oil will be the ultimate decider for people to start changing over from fossil fuel to renewable energy.  Peak Oil is coming soon!  Is that a blessing or bad omen?  The top expert on Peak Oil is Mat Simmons from Houston.  He believes we're already in it.  But, why we don't hear much about it?  Is it possible that our government and Wall Street downplays it to avoid a big scare & panic? 

      On the other hand there are other consultants who believe we're at least a 100 years away.  As a petroleum consultant, I believe we'll reach Peak Oil sometime between 2013 & 2015.  Why all these experts have differences?  Each uses a basis for his/her calculations.

      Today, what we all should be talking about is Peak Oil.  This will be the ultimate factor to start converting to renewable energy.  Until then let the tinkerers tinker and eventually we'll get there.  Rest assured, it's not too far away.


      Robert Johnston <junk1@...> wrote:
      I think you and I share the perspective that economics is the most important driver, not technology for technology’s sake.  As you read from Charles Mauch and others, the economics are skewed due to subsidies—direct and hidden.  However, except for early adopters like some HREG members, most consumers will make their decisions based on the immediate impact to their wallets.  Just because one technology is “theoretically” more expensive if there were no subsidies doesn’t mean someone won’t buy it now since they don’t “see” the subsidies (or to put it another way, they’ve already paid the subsidy and have no control over it anyway).  There are some consumers who are in a unique situation and are economically advantaged even today to use RE and thus do so.  (Off-grid remote sites, etc.—rather like your pipeline applications) .
      While it is unrealistic to expect widespread adoption without an economic driver, that doesn’t mean we can’t be developing the technology and improving it so that we can accelerate the break-even point.  I think that is part of what HREG can do.  Each member that supports the fledgling industry now helps make it more economically affordable in the future.  An analogy would be the early personal computer industry—many HREG members are tinkerers and hobbyists analogous to the folks that built PC’s in their garages in the early days.  It is on their successes and progress that the affordability and technology is developed for the mass of future users.  That is a role early adopters can play.
      I can’t speak for the group, but for myself, the reasons I’m interested in renewable energy instead of oil and natural gas are many, but a few are:  (1) many renewables have predictable costs, primarily upfront capital costs, and are immune to fuel cost fluctuations; (2) renewables [I’m primarily interested in solar] have no emissions except during manufacture of the solar panels etc.; (3) renewables help preserve a precious resource for future generations—I am in the plastics business and think the value of oil/natural gas as a chemical feedstock is too important to waste by burning it [burn the plastic if you prefer, but at least let the raw materials cycle through useful materials once in their lifetime]; (4) the cost of oil is expected to rise as supplies become more restricted, thus we need to line up alternative technologies to replace oil when it becomes prohibitive to continue using oil as fuel for a majority of applications.  [I personally don’t think we should jump the gun on that via regulation or government mandates as we’d put ourselves at a competitive disadvantage to other countries without such requirements.  And the ethanol fiasco is a great example of how we should NOT want government subsidies of RE decided by politics rather than science; or, better yet, why subsidies should disappear altogether from both renewables AND oil & gas].

      From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto:hreg@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Solar Energy
      Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 8:26 PM
      To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
      Subject: RE: [hreg] What's the hreg mission

      I appreciate you sending me the Mission Statement but it still doesn't answer my questions.  Of course we all know we're engaged in the topic of Renewable Energy but why?  I ask once again, why this group wants to have Renewable Energy in lieu of oil that easily comes out of ground.  For now forget the heavy tar oil?  What's the purpose of changing from oil & natural gas to renewable energy?


      Robert Johnston <junk1@plastability. com> wrote:
      There is an HREG website here:  http://www.txses. org/hreg/ index.php
      If you read the top of the home page you’ll find, among other words, these:  “The Houston Renewable Energy Group (HREG) was established in 1999 with the primary goal of educating the Houston region on the power of renewable energy. Houston 's climate and availability of conventionally- generated power create special challenges and barriers to the incorporation of Renewable Energy (RE) systems. The HREG network of RE enthusiasts, engineers, architects, specialists, and users provides a pathway to sensible energy conservation and generation, as well as a cleaner Houston . HREG is a non-profit volunteer organization and local chapter of the Texas Solar Energy Society, which is a 501 (c) 3 organization.”
      Robert Johnston

      From: hreg@yahoogroups. com [mailto:hreg@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Solar Energy
      Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:56 PM
      To: hreg@yahoogroups. com
      Subject: [hreg] What's the hreg mission

      What's the stated mission of hreg?


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    • anniemktx
      One of the members of our Low Carbon Diet class said she hangs clothes inside to dry. That provides the added benefit of humidifying the house a little. A
      Message 47 of 47 , Oct 11, 2007
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        One of the members of our Low Carbon Diet class said she hangs
        clothes inside to dry. That provides the added benefit of
        humidifying the house a little. A good thing to try for people who
        haven't had luck drying outside. I myself, like Lunce, love those
        ozone smelling sheets!


        In hreg@yahoogroups.com, Garth & Kim Travis <gartht@...> wrote:
        > Greetings,
        > I haven't been to a meeting of HREG for a long time, but the green
        > symposium last February sure made me sick, the majority of the
        > were very fragrant. It would be wonderful if you are correct.
        > Bright Blessings,
        > Kim
        > Ariel Thomann wrote:
        > > Surely nobody on this list is still using those little sheets!
        > >
        > > Ariel
        > > - We are all Human beings here together. We have to help one
        another, since
        > > otherwise there is NO ONE who will help.
        > > - All countries need a NO REGRETS strategic energy policy.
        Think ahead 7
        > > generations.
        > > ------------------------------------
        > >
        > >> Greetings,
        > >> Well said Bashir. Not only that, they smell nice without using
        the poisonous
        > >> chemicals of dryer sheets.
        > >> Bright Blessings,
        > >> Kim
        > >>
        > >>
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