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  • chasmauch@aol.com
    I knew Austin owned its own electrical system but was not aware San Antonio did too. Have often wondered how their prices compare to our privately owned power
    Message 1 of 4 , Jul 5, 2006
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      I knew Austin owned its own electrical system but was not aware San Antonio did too. Have often wondered how their prices compare to our privately owned power sources here in Houston. If this article (forwarded below) is right, it looks like they are much cheaper. Does anyone have other figures?
      Charlie
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    • Roy Holder
      Yes, we in Austin pay less. I think the LCRA has figures for the whole state somewhere, .. after a quich search I cant find it. you might be able to e-mail
      Message 2 of 4 , Jul 5, 2006
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        Yes, we in Austin pay less. I think the LCRA has figures for the whole
        state somewhere, .. after a quich search I cant find it. you might be able
        to e-mail them.
        Be glad you dont live in El Paso, which IRC, has some of the highest rates
        in the state.


        At 11:26 PM 7/5/2006 EDT, you wrote:
        > I knew Austin owned its own electrical system but was not aware San
        >Antonio did too. Have often wondered how their prices compare to our
        >privately owned power sources here in Houston. If this article (forwarded
        >below) is right, it looks like they are much cheaper. Does anyone have
        >other figures? Charlie _____________________
        >
        <snip!>
      • Roy Holder
        I did find Austins residential rates for you to compare. http://www.austinenergy.com/About%20Us/Rates/residential.htm before you freak out about 7.8 cent
        Message 3 of 4 , Jul 5, 2006
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          I did find Austins residential rates for you to compare.
          http://www.austinenergy.com/About%20Us/Rates/residential.htm

          before you freak out about 7.8 cent energy, there is also a fuel charge
          added to the bill.
          http://www.austinenergy.com/About%20Us/Rates/Fuel%20Adjustment%20Factors.htm
          currently 3.6cents.

          total cost is 11.5 cents or so.

          hope this helps you.
          At 11:26 PM 7/5/2006 EDT, you wrote:
          > I knew Austin owned its own electrical system but was not aware San
          >Antonio did too. Have often wondered how their prices compare to our
          >privately owned power sources here in Houston. If this article (forwarded
          >below) is right, it looks like they are much cheaper. Does anyone have
          >other figures? Charlie _____________________
          >
          >
          snip again!
        • David Power
          Houston is still dealing with the effects of deregulation. The PUC set an artificially high Price to beat to ensure that there would be enough margin to
          Message 4 of 4 , Jul 6, 2006
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            Houston is still dealing with the effects of deregulation. The PUC set an artificially high "Price to beat" to ensure that there would be enough margin to attract new companies to a market that was once a monopoly. Competition is supposed to drive the price to market levels, one of the odd things failed to happen is most of the market stayed with Reliant even though they have higher prices, 80% of the rate payers failed to switch and Reliant had to pay a fine because of it.
            The price to beat goes away Jan 2007, we will have to see if this does encourage lower prices and more competition in the market.
            CPS also spends considerably less on efficiency programs. The state mandate for regulated areas is 10% of new generation needs to be spent on efficiency programs. TXU,CNP and AEP spent over 70 million ( one of the smallest amounts in states that have these programs) CPS spent just over a million. CPS also had the largest rate increase its ever passed just recently, but its still pretty cheep.
             
            Houston also has a problem with its air quality (duh) so most of its generation is powered by gas, you couldn't get a coal plant permitted any where close to Houston. High gas prices,cleaner air but high electric prices. San Antonio is a near non-attainment area but got a new coal plant permitted and broke ground on it even though the need for the additional generation was in question. They are up for an air quality review in 2007 and if they move into a non attainment status (very likely as they have already exceeded the max number of ozone alert days this year) then they would not have been allowed to build this plant. Coal is currently the cheapest way to generate electricity, TXU has put most of their gas plants up for sale and is looking to build more than 10 new coal plants ( the actual number that will get built is still in question). NRG has announced that they are going to build two new reactors at the nuke plant. All that money has to come from some where.
            One thing Texas has figured out is how to build new power plants and transmission lines.
             
            David
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            I knew Austin owned its own electrical system but was not aware San Antonio did too. Have often wondered how their prices compare to our privately owned power sources here in Houston. If this article (forwarded below) is right, it looks like they are much cheaper. Does anyone have other figures?
            Charlie
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