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Re: [ntreg] Re: [hreg] First National Certification Exam Completed for Solar PV Installers

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  • Texas Solar Energy Society
    Just for clarity s sake, TREIA and TXSES are, of course, two entirely separate legal entities. I can not speak for TREIA, but as the Executive Director of
    Message 1 of 8 , Nov 3, 2003
      Just for clarity's sake, TREIA and TXSES are, of course, two entirely separate legal entities.  I can not speak for TREIA, but as the Executive Director of TXSES I can tell you with all certainty that not one single utility is a member nor does TXSES derive one cent of income from a utility.  The Green Building Program, housed at Austin Energy, is a sponsor for the Renewable Energy Roundup.  This hardly qualifies as "supplying both organizations with the majority of their funding."  TXSES continues to be supported by its grassroots members, EarthShare of Texas work place giving campaigns, and sometimes profits from major events such as the national conference or The Roundup in a good year.
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:21 PM
      Subject: Re: [ntreg] Re: [hreg] First National Certification Exam Completed for Solar PV Installers

      Steve,

      Can you document your assertion that TXSES and TREIA "are
      now dominated by utilities.  Utilities now supply both organizations
      the majority of their funding."?

      Inquiring minds want to know.

      Thanks,
      Chuck Wright
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:07 AM
      Subject: Re: [hreg] First National Certification Exam Completed for Solar PV Installers

      IMHO this is a load of bunk.  There have long been standards and regulations in place to control the electrical industry at large.  Those standards are the NEC and licensing of qualified installers called Engineers and electricians.  When the time comes that we allow a bunch of unqualified industry pundits to dictate to consumers and business practitioners alike who, what, where, how and why renewable energy technology will be applied it can only be a mistake.  The NABCEP is populated with political insiders and utilities more interested in controlling this industry, this economy and the people at large.  Both TREIA and TXSES support the NABCEP mission because they are now dominated by utilities.  Utilities now supply both organizations the majority of their funding.  Utility companies are not your friend.  Don't fall for this crap.
       
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      Boerne, Texas 78006
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      FAX: 210-698-7147
      www.sbtdesigns.com

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    • Steven Shepard
      I doubt you are qualified to speak for NEC, UL or the IEEE but you do make my point that the NABCEP is reinventing the wheel and adding additional and
      Message 2 of 8 , Nov 4, 2003
        I doubt you are qualified to speak for NEC, UL or the IEEE but you do make my point that the NABCEP is reinventing the wheel and adding additional and unnecessary rules and regulations on top of an industry and technology that does not require their input.
         
        Rarely is there a situation where additional laws, rules and regulations add any value except perhaps with non-profits who tailor their structure in order to invite additional funding.
         
        SBT Designs
        25581 IH-10 West
        San Antonio, Texas 78255
        210-698-7109
        FAX: 210-698-7147
        www.sbtdesigns.com
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:59 AM
        Subject: Re: [hreg] First National Certification Exam Completed for Solar PV Installers

        Steven Shepard wrote:
         
        There have long been standards and regulations in place to control the electrical industry at large.
         
        And the NEC, IEEE and UL, among others, have been in place for decades for that very reason. Now that solar is becoming mainstream, these highly regarded agencies have come to recognize the importance of standards in the solar installation industry. Would you buy an inverter that doesn't carry certification by these 3 agencies? The state of California and the other states following their lead won't certify a PV system without it. This only adds legitimacy to the PV Industry.
         
        ...licensing of qualified installers called Engineers and electricians.
         
        Just because you are a licensed Electrician doesn't mean that you automatically know the technical points of designing or installing a PV system. And, from 20 years of related  personal experience, I know that, just because you are an Electrical Engineer, doesn't automatically qualify you to design a PV system.
         
        bunch of unqualified industry pundits...
         
        "The North American Board of Certified Energy Practitioners (NABCEP) is a volunteer board of renewable energy stakeholder representatives."  http://www.nabcep.org/ 
        These volunteers include the likes of those slackers from:
         
          Southwest Technology Development Institute
            National Joint Apprenticeship & Training Committee
            National Renewable Energy Laboratory
            Shell Solar
            Southwest Technology Development Institute
            Florida Solar Energy Center
            International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
            Sacramento Municipal Utility District
            Sandia National Laboratories
            National Electrical Contractors Association
            Endecon Engineering
            Solar Energy Industries Association
            Sharp Electronics Corporation
            National Renewable Energy Laboratory
            Interstate Renewable Energy Council
            RWE SCHOTT Solar, Inc.
            Photovoltaic Energy Applied Research, BCIT
            Climate Institute
            University of Nevada, Reno/SRCC
            SunWize
         
        This doesn't even include the handfull of PV installers on the board.
         
        ...Utility companies are not your friend.
         
        Maybe utilities do represent a huge obstacle to National Interconnection Standards and fair consumer payment for net-metering nationwide, but utilities have lost one of their biggest arguments against PV over the safety of grid-tied PV systems; Inverter Certification by NEC, IEEE and UL allow for guaranteed safe grid-tied installations. Any other sort of certification, including installers, is going to further weaken their monopoly hold on their ratepayers.
        Some form of National Interconnection Standards are a part of the Bush Secret Energy Bill. If those standards don't get approved this time, it's only because not enough people are screaming at Congress to get a clue.
         
        ...NABCEP mission because they are now dominated by utilities
        I don't know who NABCEP gets its funding from. Maybe you should call Peter Sheehan, their Executive Director at (518) 889-8126 and ask him.
        Jim Duncan
        North Texas Renewable Energy Inc.
        4029 Aragon Drive
        Fort Worth,Texas 76133
        817.917.0527
        ntrei@...
        **************************
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:07 AM
        Subject: Re: [hreg] First National Certification Exam Completed for Solar PV Installers

        IMHO this is a load of bunk.  There have long been standards and regulations in place to control the electrical industry at large.  Those standards are the NEC and licensing of qualified installers called Engineers and electricians.  When the time comes that we allow a bunch of unqualified industry pundits to dictate to consumers and business practitioners alike who, what, where, how and why renewable energy technology will be applied it can only be a mistake.  The NABCEP is populated with political insiders and utilities more interested in controlling this industry, this economy and the people at large.  Both TREIA and TXSES support the NABCEP mission because they are now dominated by utilities.  Utilities now supply both organizations the majority of their funding.  Utility companies are not your friend.  Don't fall for this crap.
         
        SBT Designs
        25840 IH-10 West #1
        Boerne, Texas 78006
        210-698-7109
        FAX: 210-698-7147
        www.sbtdesigns.com
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:44 AM
        Subject: [hreg] First National Certification Exam Completed for Solar PV Installers

        Great news for the PV industry nationwide. The North American Board of Certified Energy Practitioners,  the first national PV installers certification program, finished it's first certification testing last month. Having NABCEP Certified installers will add a whole new level of integrity to the business of PV and wind installation.
        All the early details are here though it will be several weeks before the total results will be available.
        Jim Duncan
        Fort Worth



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      • Michael Christie
        Steve, It is apparent that Jim Duncan has hit a sore spot with you. I am curious as to why your replies are so caustic. Perhaps there is more here than meets
        Message 3 of 8 , Nov 5, 2008
          Steve,
           
          It is apparent that Jim Duncan has hit a sore spot with you. I am curious as to why your replies are so caustic. Perhaps there is more here than meets the eye of us uneducated masses? Could you explain your views a little more calmly and informatively? Or refrain??? I tune into this discussion group to learn, so your specific comments as to why NABCEP is so bogus would be appreciated.
           
          For the benifit of anyone who is interested in home wind energy, here is a site with honest real life data on several different wind generators: http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/ndsu/klemen/index.htm. It is a very informative site.
           
          Michael Christie
           
           -----Original Message-----
          From: Steven Shepard [mailto:sbtdesigns@...]
          Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:41 AM
          To: hreg@yahoogroups.com; ntreg@yahoogroups.com; SolarAustin@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [hreg] First National Certification Exam Completed for Solar PV Installers

          I doubt you are qualified to speak for NEC, UL or the IEEE but you do make my point that the NABCEP is reinventing the wheel and adding additional and unnecessary rules and regulations on top of an industry and technology that does not require their input.
           
          Rarely is there a situation where additional laws, rules and regulations add any value except perhaps with non-profits who tailor their structure in order to invite additional funding.
           
          SBT Designs
          25581 IH-10 West
          San Antonio, Texas 78255
          210-698-7109
          FAX: 210-698-7147
          www.sbtdesigns.com
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:59 AM
          Subject: Re: [hreg] First National Certification Exam Completed for Solar PV Installers

          Steven Shepard wrote:
           
          There have long been standards and regulations in place to control the electrical industry at large.
           
          And the NEC, IEEE and UL, among others, have been in place for decades for that very reason. Now that solar is becoming mainstream, these highly regarded agencies have come to recognize the importance of standards in the solar installation industry. Would you buy an inverter that doesn't carry certification by these 3 agencies? The state of California and the other states following their lead won't certify a PV system without it. This only adds legitimacy to the PV Industry.
           
          ...licensing of qualified installers called Engineers and electricians.
           
          Just because you are a licensed Electrician doesn't mean that you automatically know the technical points of designing or installing a PV system. And, from 20 years of related  personal experience, I know that, just because you are an Electrical Engineer, doesn't automatically qualify you to design a PV system.
           
          bunch of unqualified industry pundits...
           
          "The North American Board of Certified Energy Practitioners (NABCEP) is a volunteer board of renewable energy stakeholder representatives."  http://www.nabcep.org/ 
          These volunteers include the likes of those slackers from:
           
            Southwest Technology Development Institute
              National Joint Apprenticeship & Training Committee
              National Renewable Energy Laboratory
              Shell Solar
              Southwest Technology Development Institute
              Florida Solar Energy Center
              International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
              Sacramento Municipal Utility District
              Sandia National Laboratories
              National Electrical Contractors Association
              Endecon Engineering
              Solar Energy Industries Association
              Sharp Electronics Corporation
              National Renewable Energy Laboratory
              Interstate Renewable Energy Council
              RWE SCHOTT Solar, Inc.
              Photovoltaic Energy Applied Research, BCIT
              Climate Institute
              University of Nevada, Reno/SRCC
              SunWize
           
          This doesn't even include the handfull of PV installers on the board.
           
          ...Utility companies are not your friend.
           
          Maybe utilities do represent a huge obstacle to National Interconnection Standards and fair consumer payment for net-metering nationwide, but utilities have lost one of their biggest arguments against PV over the safety of grid-tied PV systems; Inverter Certification by NEC, IEEE and UL allow for guaranteed safe grid-tied installations. Any other sort of certification, including installers, is going to further weaken their monopoly hold on their ratepayers.
          Some form of National Interconnection Standards are a part of the Bush Secret Energy Bill. If those standards don't get approved this time, it's only because not enough people are screaming at Congress to get a clue.
           
          ...NABCEP mission because they are now dominated by utilities
          I don't know who NABCEP gets its funding from. Maybe you should call Peter Sheehan, their Executive Director at (518) 889-8126 and ask him.
          Jim Duncan
          North Texas Renewable Energy Inc.
          4029 Aragon Drive
          Fort Worth,Texas 76133
          817.917.0527
          ntrei@...
          **************************
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:07 AM
          Subject: Re: [hreg] First National Certification Exam Completed for Solar PV Installers

          IMHO this is a load of bunk.  There have long been standards and regulations in place to control the electrical industry at large.  Those standards are the NEC and licensing of qualified installers called Engineers and electricians.  When the time comes that we allow a bunch of unqualified industry pundits to dictate to consumers and business practitioners alike who, what, where, how and why renewable energy technology will be applied it can only be a mistake.  The NABCEP is populated with political insiders and utilities more interested in controlling this industry, this economy and the people at large.  Both TREIA and TXSES support the NABCEP mission because they are now dominated by utilities.  Utilities now supply both organizations the majority of their funding.  Utility companies are not your friend.  Don't fall for this crap.
           
          SBT Designs
          25840 IH-10 West #1
          Boerne, Texas 78006
          210-698-7109
          FAX: 210-698-7147
          www.sbtdesigns.com
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:44 AM
          Subject: [hreg] First National Certification Exam Completed for Solar PV Installers

          Great news for the PV industry nationwide. The North American Board of Certified Energy Practitioners,  the first national PV installers certification program, finished it's first certification testing last month. Having NABCEP Certified installers will add a whole new level of integrity to the business of PV and wind installation.
          All the early details are here though it will be several weeks before the total results will be available.
          Jim Duncan
          Fort Worth



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