## RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale [1 Attachment]

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• I m curious, where would you use 380V AC? Kevin Conlin Heliosolar Design Inc PO Box 1938 Alief, TX 77411 281-202-9629 kevin@heliosolardesign.com From:
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I’m curious, where would you use 380V AC?

Kevin Conlin

PO Box 1938

Alief, TX 77411

281-202-9629

kevin@...

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John M Novar
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:58 PM
To: John M Novar
Subject: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale [1 Attachment]

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We have a 20KW new wind turbine in Miami for sale. Great Price.  Asking \$22,000.00  USD fob Miami.  See attached Pdf.    Please forward to interested parties commission involved.

 Gratefully, John M NovarJohn M Novar, Founder305.251.9630 | 800.639.8796 |F 786.242.8929A Service Disabled Veteran Owned BusinessP Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

• Europe.  380 is the three-phase leg-to-leg voltage of single 220 volt nominal system.   Math is:  220 V X 1.732 = (about) 380 V.    To use it as is in
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Europe.  380 is the three-phase leg-to-leg voltage of single 220 volt nominal system.

Math is:  220 V X 1.732 = (about) 380 V.

To use it "as is" in the US, we would typically just use a step up transformer (380/220 to 480/277 Y) or step down (to 240/120 Delta or 208/120 Y).  Typically this would give a 1% or so overall loss due to heat from that added transformer.

Thing to look out for in European equipment is 50 hertz v. 60 hertz.  But the spec. sheet says the inverter can be set 50 or 60 hertz. So that should be good.

The thing that was not really clear is if it is UL 1741 / IEEE 1547 compliant to allow a US Grid-Tie.  But if not, that may be why it is looking for a home.

--- On Fri, 1/6/12, kevin conlin <kevin@...> wrote:

From: kevin conlin <kevin@...>
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 6, 2012, 12:11 PM

I’m curious, where would you use 380V AC?

Kevin Conlin

PO Box 1938

Alief, TX 77411

281-202-9629

kevin@...

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John M Novar
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:58 PM
To: John M Novar
Subject: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from John M Novar included below]

We have a 20KW new wind turbine in Miami for sale. Great Price.  Asking \$22,000.00  USD fob Miami.  See attached Pdf.    Please forward to interested parties commission involved.

 Gratefully, John M NovarJohn M Novar, Founder305.251.9630 | 800.639.8796 |F 786.242.8929A Service Disabled Veteran Owned BusinessP Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

• I learned something new, thanks Philip Kevin Conlin Heliosolar Design Inc PO Box 1938 Alief, TX 77411 281-202-9629 kevin@heliosolardesign.com From:
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I learned something new, thanks Philip

Kevin Conlin

PO Box 1938

Alief, TX 77411

281-202-9629

kevin@...

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Timmons
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:55 PM
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale

Europe.  380 is the three-phase leg-to-leg voltage of single 220 volt nominal system.

Math is:  220 V X 1.732 = (about) 380 V.

To use it "as is" in the US, we would typically just use a step up transformer (380/220 to 480/277 Y) or step down (to 240/120 Delta or 208/120 Y).  Typically this would give a 1% or so overall loss due to heat from that added transformer.

Thing to look out for in European equipment is 50 hertz v. 60 hertz.  But the spec. sheet says the inverter can be set 50 or 60 hertz. So that should be good.

The thing that was not really clear is if it is UL 1741 / IEEE 1547 compliant to allow a US Grid-Tie.  But if not, that may be why it is looking for a home.

--- On Fri, 1/6/12, kevin conlin <kevin@...> wrote:

From: kevin conlin <kevin@...>
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 6, 2012, 12:11 PM

I’m curious, where would you use 380V AC?

Kevin Conlin

PO Box 1938

Alief, TX 77411

281-202-9629

kevin@...

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John M Novar
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:58 PM
To: John M Novar
Subject: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from John M Novar included below]

We have a 20KW new wind turbine in Miami for sale. Great Price.  Asking \$22,000.00  USD fob Miami.  See attached Pdf.    Please forward to interested parties commission involved.

 Gratefully, John M NovarJohn M Novar, Founder305.251.9630 | 800.639.8796 |F 786.242.8929A Service Disabled Veteran Owned BusinessP Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

• So this is just one new unit looking for a site? Like a remote ranch or coastal location possibly not grid tied? From: hreg@yahoogroups.com
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So this is just one new unit looking for a site?  Like a remote ranch or coastal location possibly not grid tied?

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Timmons
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:55 PM
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale

Europe.  380 is the three-phase leg-to-leg voltage of single 220 volt nominal system.

Math is:  220 V X 1.732 = (about) 380 V.

To use it "as is" in the US, we would typically just use a step up transformer (380/220 to 480/277 Y) or step down (to 240/120 Delta or 208/120 Y).  Typically this would give a 1% or so overall loss due to heat from that added transformer.

Thing to look out for in European equipment is 50 hertz v. 60 hertz.  But the spec. sheet says the inverter can be set 50 or 60 hertz. So that should be good.

The thing that was not really clear is if it is UL 1741 / IEEE 1547 compliant to allow a US Grid-Tie.  But if not, that may be why it is looking for a home.

--- On Fri, 1/6/12, kevin conlin <kevin@...> wrote:

From: kevin conlin <kevin@...>
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 6, 2012, 12:11 PM

I’m curious, where would you use 380V AC?

Kevin Conlin

PO Box 1938

Alief, TX 77411

281-202-9629

kevin@...

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John M Novar
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:58 PM
To: John M Novar
Subject: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from John M Novar included below]

We have a 20KW new wind turbine in Miami for sale. Great Price.  Asking \$22,000.00  USD fob Miami.  See attached Pdf.    Please forward to interested parties commission involved.

 Gratefully, John M NovarJohn M Novar, Founder305.251.9630 | 800.639.8796 |F 786.242.8929A Service Disabled Veteran Owned BusinessP Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

• PS - Since in a former life I worked in the FRP business, I noted the PDF said the blades are manufactured by FRP Lay-up by hand method. That may be a
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PS - Since in a former life I worked in the FRP business, I noted the PDF said the blades are manufactured by 'FRP Lay-up by hand' method. That may be a Chinese-English technical translation simplification, but this term is for a lower tech method used for fiberglass products like bathtubs, showerstalls, or pans or small boat hulls where weight and wall thickness and balance if less critical.

If 'FRP Lay-up by hand' is done correctly by real trained pros with a QA program using patterned woven glass cloth and measured resin weights per sf, this method can work fine for small blades, performance boat hulls or maybe smaller aircraft wings.  But when product performance accuracy is needed in FRP (like for aircraft wings or big wind turbine blades) they are done by a higher tech methods, maybe vacuum resin infusion or some other resin tranfer method (RTM) over a mandrel patern or a foam core insert. This method keeps the blade's FRP wall thickness/weight very uniform and accurate (= stronger).

For for something that turns with a high tip speed and subject to varying loads and vibrations that particular FRP manufacturing term does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling (unless the OEM also provides overspinning test results).

"Sorry to be Conservative"

Gary Beck, P.E., SECB, LEED AP

Eco-Holdings LLC (F-7395) Tel: 713-377-4209 Fax: 832-201-5338

4010 Blue Bonnet Blvd. Suite 114  Houston, Texas 77025

From: Gary Beck [mailto:ecoegr@...]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 5:26 PM
To: 'hreg@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale

So this is just one new unit looking for a site?  Like a remote ranch or coastal location possibly not grid tied?

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Timmons
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:55 PM
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale

Europe.  380 is the three-phase leg-to-leg voltage of single 220 volt nominal system.

Math is:  220 V X 1.732 = (about) 380 V.

To use it "as is" in the US, we would typically just use a step up transformer (380/220 to 480/277 Y) or step down (to 240/120 Delta or 208/120 Y).  Typically this would give a 1% or so overall loss due to heat from that added transformer.

Thing to look out for in European equipment is 50 hertz v. 60 hertz.  But the spec. sheet says the inverter can be set 50 or 60 hertz. So that should be good.

The thing that was not really clear is if it is UL 1741 / IEEE 1547 compliant to allow a US Grid-Tie.  But if not, that may be why it is looking for a home.

--- On Fri, 1/6/12, kevin conlin <kevin@...> wrote:

From: kevin conlin <kevin@...>
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 6, 2012, 12:11 PM

I’m curious, where would you use 380V AC?

Kevin Conlin

PO Box 1938

Alief, TX 77411

281-202-9629

kevin@...

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John M Novar
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:58 PM
To: John M Novar
Subject: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from John M Novar included below]

We have a 20KW new wind turbine in Miami for sale. Great Price.  Asking \$22,000.00  USD fob Miami.  See attached Pdf.    Please forward to interested parties commission involved.

 Gratefully, John M NovarJohn M Novar, Founder305.251.9630 | 800.639.8796 |F 786.242.8929A Service Disabled Veteran Owned BusinessP Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

• I noticed the same thing, a lot of key components are handmade……………..what do you do for spares? Kevin Conlin Heliosolar Design Inc PO Box 1938 Alief,
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I noticed the same thing, a lot of key components are handmade……………..what do you do for spares?

Kevin Conlin

PO Box 1938

Alief, TX 77411

281-202-9629

kevin@...

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Beck
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 5:28 PM
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale

PS - Since in a former life I worked in the FRP business, I noted the PDF said the blades are manufactured by 'FRP Lay-up by hand' method. That may be a Chinese-English technical translation simplification, but this term is for a lower tech method used for fiberglass products like bathtubs, showerstalls, or pans or small boat hulls where weight and wall thickness and balance if less critical.

If 'FRP Lay-up by hand' is done correctly by real trained pros with a QA program using patterned woven glass cloth and measured resin weights per sf, this method can work fine for small blades, performance boat hulls or maybe smaller aircraft wings.  But when product performance accuracy is needed in FRP (like for aircraft wings or big wind turbine blades) they are done by a higher tech methods, maybe vacuum resin infusion or some other resin tranfer method (RTM) over a mandrel patern or a foam core insert. This method keeps the blade's FRP wall thickness/weight very uniform and accurate (= stronger).

For for something that turns with a high tip speed and subject to varying loads and vibrations that particular FRP manufacturing term does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling (unless the OEM also provides overspinning test results).

"Sorry to be Conservative"

Gary Beck, P.E., SECB, LEED AP

Eco-Holdings LLC (F-7395) Tel: 713-377-4209 Fax: 832-201-5338

4010 Blue Bonnet Blvd. Suite 114  Houston, Texas 77025

From: Gary Beck [mailto:ecoegr@...]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 5:26 PM
To: 'hreg@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale

So this is just one new unit looking for a site?  Like a remote ranch or coastal location possibly not grid tied?

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Timmons
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:55 PM
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale

Europe.  380 is the three-phase leg-to-leg voltage of single 220 volt nominal system.

Math is:  220 V X 1.732 = (about) 380 V.

To use it "as is" in the US, we would typically just use a step up transformer (380/220 to 480/277 Y) or step down (to 240/120 Delta or 208/120 Y).  Typically this would give a 1% or so overall loss due to heat from that added transformer.

Thing to look out for in European equipment is 50 hertz v. 60 hertz.  But the spec. sheet says the inverter can be set 50 or 60 hertz. So that should be good.

The thing that was not really clear is if it is UL 1741 / IEEE 1547 compliant to allow a US Grid-Tie.  But if not, that may be why it is looking for a home.

--- On Fri, 1/6/12, kevin conlin <kevin@...> wrote:

From: kevin conlin <kevin@...>
Subject: RE: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 6, 2012, 12:11 PM

I’m curious, where would you use 380V AC?

Kevin Conlin

PO Box 1938

Alief, TX 77411

281-202-9629

kevin@...

From: hreg@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hreg@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John M Novar
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:58 PM
To: John M Novar
Subject: [hreg] Offer 20KW wind turbine in Miami for Sale [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from John M Novar included below]

We have a 20KW new wind turbine in Miami for sale. Great Price.  Asking \$22,000.00  USD fob Miami.  See attached Pdf.    Please forward to interested parties commission involved.

 Gratefully, John M NovarJohn M Novar, Founder305.251.9630 | 800.639.8796 |F 786.242.8929A Service Disabled Veteran Owned BusinessP Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

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