8278Re: Nuclear Energy-its long, sorry....
- Oct 30, 2008Hey Kim :)
My math isn't faulty - it is simplified. At least I hope it isn't
faulty - someone should still check it :)
My assumptions aren't perfect but you -do- have to put some numbers on
the page at some point. People will just keep talking about things in
the abstract if you let them. Ask them to send you a quote and lets
see how the numbers work out - people suddenly get more grounded in
reality when they realize they are going to have to actually buy it or
I am very familiar with this because I am running the numbers for my
I picked $.14 because it was the going price on "Power To Choose".
I'll go ahead and take it past your $.187 and make it $0.20 and that
still makes the repayment period... 26.8 years.
My point is that 15 year repayments are not old news, they are present
reality - and actually pretty optimistic views of present reality,
which I was "granting" the anti-nuclear crowd with all their most
optimistic projections. 30 years is a lot more realistic.
In the meantime, we will be burning coal and buying oil. We need to
"exercise the nuclear option"!
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Garth & Kim Travis <gartht@...> wrote:
> My rate is $0.187 per kwh, as long as I don't use much. Taking the
> listed rate to figure things out isn't reality, the real rate is the
> entire bill divided by the total usage. Those hidden, extra charges
> must be included. However, I could run on a 4KW system and have power
> left over.
> When I bought my place in 1992, I paid $0.07kwh so there is a dramatic
> rise in rates, your math is faulty as you are not taking inflation and
> rising rates into account when figuring out the payback. And while you
> are at it, figure out the cost of power outages in spoiled food, eating
> out, fuel to go and eat out as the power is out, etc.
> Every time I get my usage down, the power company raises the rates, so
> my bill never gets any smaller.
> Bright Blessings,
> Jay Ring wrote:
> > I don't like my new role as "Mr Grim Reality"! I'm not going to keep
> > doing it either :) So this will likely be one of my last posts on
> > this topic -
> > But Thin-File tech? Does your company recommend or even sell that
> > stuff? Could you get your hands on it even if you wanted to?
> > It seems like wishful thinking to me. I'll grant you "forward
> > thinking". Maybe it is the way of the future - but that's my point -
> > we're talking about the future.
> > Meanwhile, waaaay back in the stone ages of late 2008 (today) - what
> > does a 4kw system cost, and what is the payback on it? Someone should
> > check my math, but:
> > 4 kW DC (installed PV)
> > 85% system efficiency
> > 3.4 kW AC (available)
> > Houston is about 4.8 mean solar hours per day:
> > 4.8 SH * 3.4WK = 16.32 kWH/day, 489.6kWH / month, or 5956.8 kWH/year
> > Market rate in my area is currently about $0.14 / kWH, So the value of
> > the electricity is about $833.95/year
> > Your own company, North Texas Renewable Energy, quotes on their
> > homepage an approximate cost of $8000 per installed KW, which is
> > maybe a little high, but about in line with other companies. So you
> > guys charge about $32000 for this system.
> > $32,000 / $833.95
> > 38 years.
> > Q.E.D.
> > BTW - I am still going to get one :)
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