7066RE: [hreg] Automakers adding more MPG to new cars
- Dec 2, 2007and as far as you claim that we're sending
"all the jobs to china"
I drive a Honda Civic that is 15 years old. with
170,000+ miles on it. still starts and runs smoothly,
and passes emissions.
with it's ten gallon tank it still gets 330 miles
My wife has a Honda Civic, 8 years old. still starts
and runs smoothly, passes emissions, new it got 42
miles to the gallon, now it still gets 39 miles to the
gallon after being driven over 200,000 miles....one
day my dream is to own a diesel car and convert it to
a bio...but for now I work for not a whole lot of
money and for practicality I will not pay money for a
car that i have to spend 30 bucks on every three days.
the only cars I've seen so far that have the most bang
for the buck are the hondas
the hondas are several thousand dollars cheaper than
an american car with the same amount of engine
power.....even then you could find a cheaper american
car, but I am an extremely frugal consumer and from
what I've found, the only american cars that have a
cheaper price tag, have less power(do not do well at
all on the highways) and by reputation don't have the
long life you get from a honda or even toyota.
Are the asian car makers smarter than us?
do they have some secret that we don't know about?
I don't know why the u.s. auto quality is the way it
I'm guessing what they are doing is nothing we can't
do oursleves......so are we sending all the jobs to
if that's the case
why is the concern of losing jobs to the overseas car
makers not a big issue?
why has it been decades and no real substantial change
has been made to the way cars are made here in the
what does it all boil down to?
you guessed it
well then why haven't things changed sooner?
because by webster dictionary, the definition of
"one that consumes" that is the first entry in the
we are consumers.
the corpoartions convince us to eat something, we eat
they convince us that something is "cool" we must have
when no one is there to tell the makers, "don't do
that, it will kill people" they wil continue to sell
as long as there are people to consume and since we
live in an age of consumerism...well, the numbers
simply add up.
the car is a MACHINE that has proven itself time and
time again over decades that it is capable of Great
destruction. Stricter and greater numbers of
regulations should have been put on these contraptions
a long long time ago.
--- Robert Johnston <junk1@...> wrote:
> This is so wrong. Congress is the last organization<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51731/*http:/mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qD
> I want to see
> micromanaging vehicle design and corporate
> operations. Might as well shut
> down Detroit and send all the jobs to China.
> If we believe we need to legislate conservation,
> wouldn't it be better to
> simply charge a large gasoline tax and then let the
> market dictate car
> design according to consumer demand?
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> Subject: [hreg] Automakers adding more MPG to new
> Energy plan pushes automakers on mpg
> By KEN THOMAS, Associated Press Writer
> WASHINGTON - The groundbreaking deal in Congress to
> raise mile-per-gallon
> standards will compel the auto industry to churn out
> more fuel-efficient
> vehicles on a faster timeline than the companies
> wanted, though with
> flexibility to get the job done.
> The auto industry's fleet of new cars, sport utility
> vehicles, pickup trucks
> and vans will have to average 35 mpg by 2020,
> according to the agreement
> that congressional negotiators announced late
> Friday. That compares with the
> 2008 requirement of 27.5 mpg average for cars and
> 22.5 mpg for light trucks.
> It would be first increase ordered by Congress in
> three decades.
> Majority Democrats plan to include the requirement
> in broader energy
> legislation to be debated in the context of
> $90-per-barrel oil, $3-plus pump
> prices and growing concerns about climate change.
> The House plans to begin
> debate this week.
> "It is a major milestone and the first concrete
> legislation to address
> global warming," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein,
> While Senate Democrats were quick to embrace the
> compromise, the energy bill
> may face problems over requirements for nonpublic
> electric utilities to
> produce 15 percent of their power from renewable
> energy sources such as wind
> or solar.
> Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M., on Saturday said that
> idea "will make this bill
> untenable for many in the Senate."
> Environmentalists have sought stricter mileage
> standards for years, saying
> that is the most effective way to curb greenhouse
> gas emissions and oil
> The energy bill will help accelerate plans by
> automakers to bring more
> fuel-efficient technologies to conventional engines
> and alternatives such as
> gas-electric hybrids and vehicles running on ethanol
> blends. For the first
> time, for example, manufacturers will receive
> credits for building vehicles
> running on biodiesel fuel.
> Domestic automakers and Toyota Motor Corp.
> vehemently opposed a Senate bill
> approved passed in June that contained the same
> mileage requirements and
> timeline. They warned the measure would limit the
> choice of vehicles,
> threaten jobs and drive up costs.
> The companies backed an alternative of 32 mpg to 35
> mpg by 2022. At the
> time, Chrysler LLC executive Tom LaSorda told
> employees the Senate bill
> would "add up to a staggering $6,700 - almost a 40
> percent increase - to the
> cost of every Chrysler vehicle."
> But the compromise worked out by Rep. John Dingell,
> D-Mich., House Speaker
> Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate leaders,
> maintains a significant boost in
> mileage standards while giving the industry more
> flexibility and certainty
> as they plan new vehicles.
> The proposal would continue separate standards for
> cars and trucks, extend
> credits for producing vehicles that run on ethanol
> blends, and allow
> automakers to receive separate credits for exceeding
> the standards and then
> apply those credits to other model years.
> Michigan lawmakers secured an extension of the
> current 1.2 mpg credit for
> the production of each "flexible fuel" vehicle,
> capable of running on
> ethanol blends of 15 percent gasoline and 85 percent
> ethanol. Without the
> extension, the credits may have run out by 2010, but
> under the deal, they
> will be phased out by 2020.
> The United Auto Workers union also won a provision
> intended to prevent
> companies from shifting production of less
> profitable small cars to overseas
> plants. At stake are an estimated 17,000 jobs.
> The House's energy bill, approved in August, did not
> include mileage
> standards, and lawmakers had worked since then to
> include them.
> Rick Wagoner, General Motors Corp.'s chairman and
> chief executive, said the
> new rules would "pose a significant technical and
> economic challenge to the
> industry." He said GM would tackle the changes "with
> an array of
> engineering, research and development resources."
> GM, Chrysler and Ford Motor Co. have announced plans
> to double their
> production by 2010 of flex-fuel vehicles. Toyota has
> said it will bring the
> option to the Tundra pickup.
> Among hybrids, Toyota has dominated the market with
> the Prius, but several
> automakers are beginning to bring the technology to
> large SUVs and pickups.
> Environmental groups estimate the deal would save
> the country 1.2 million
> barrels of oil per day by 2020 while helping
> motorists save at the pump.
> "Cars are going to be more attractive to consumers
> because they won't cost
> as much to own and operate," said David Doniger,
> director of the climate
> center for the Natural Resources Defense Council.
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