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5872Re: [hreg] Power from Water

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  • Edward Kramer
    Mar 14, 2007
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      When an inventor or a company is talking about a water powered car, they are talking about using the water as a source of hydrogen and oxygen, using the dc current from the alternator to split the hydrogen and oxygen gas through electrolysis, and introducing the separate gases into the air mixing system after the air filter to enchance the combustion of gas. Since hydrogen has 3 times the btu value per unit of weight than gas, it is much more energy efficient not to mention 100% renewable. In using hydrogen as part of the hybred fuel mixture, The hydrogen removes the carbon deposits left in your engine, actually cleaning your engine and improving the performance. When you install an onboard generator, your oil turns black in 3 days. The extended life your engine will get is another benefit. . The key to the electrolysis is finding a way to use as little energy as possible to create the hydrogen=the holy grail of energy production. Just as an opra singer is able to shatter a wine glass with a vocal frequency ,Stanley Meyers was able to find the "sweet spot", where he found the right frequency that  could crack the water with milliamps and high voltage.(48) for a very positive COP for the generation of hydrogen gas. His vehicle ran on 100% water-which is quite incredible. There is no commereical 100% water unit that I am aware of
      powering any vehicle at this point. Another inventor who worked for NASA is Daniel Dingel who has a 100% unit.   When gas hits 3.50-4.00 a gallon, I won't feel bad that I spent the money for an on board generator that will double my mileage. There are other more improved units coming out that will run on a 50/50 mixture and get maybe a 400-600% increase in mileage,
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      Subject: [hreg] Power from Water

      There have been some misunderstandings in the media about cars driving on water.  Water does not contain any energy, and so it can not power a car.  So how did all these misunderstandings get started?  The following are two "water" improvements that make scientific sense (maybe not economic sense):
      Water can be used to capture heat and convert that heat to mechanical work.  Currently, engines are water cooled with water externally removing heat from the metal surrounding the combustion zone.  The heat is wasted by throwing it away to the air via the radiator.  Some of that heat can be recovered by injecting water into the cylinder during the power stroke and the resulting vaporization and thermal expansion of the steam will recover some of that heat and convert it into mechanical work - thus improving the efficiency.  I guess the added cost of water injection and storage is more than the benefit of the improvement.  Maybe that will change with increasing fuel costs, or a higher mandated fuel efficiency (MPG).  Are there any companies modifying engines this way?
      There is also an invention for improved burning of fuel when hydrogen is injected into the cylinder with the fuel. The efficiency gain by the combustion apparently is worth more energy than that used to create hydrogen by electrolysis.  I don't know to much about this, but I think the overall efficiency improvements are very small and do not justify the high cost of equipment for the hydrogen on-board generation.  Does any one else know more?

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