428RE: [hreg] Compact Fluorescents
- Nov 20, 2000Robert, check out the CF's at IKEA. They may not be exactly apples to
apples for the unit you are talking about. IKEA is basically subsidizing
CF's because they are in the $5.00 range.
From: Robert Johnston [mailto:rjohnsto@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:41 PM
Subject: RE: [hreg] Compact Fluorescents
It would be nice if HL&P would have a rebate program of some kind.
Incidentally, I'm still looking for the best place to buy CF's. I
just found an even better deal online than the one I mentioned
before. Looks like www.energyguide.com has them really cheap. I
can get a dimmable CF for half the cost of what RealGoods charges
for the same thing. A 23W TechnaBright dimmable SpringLight
(1500 lumens or close to a 100W bulb) is only $12.75. A Harmony
20W standard CF (non-dimmable) is equivalent to a 75W incandescent
and only costs $7.25! If you figure that during its 10,000 hr lifetime
you would buy 10 incandescents at $0.25 each, that means the cost is
only $4.75. You'll recover that in energy savings at $0.08/kwh in
just 1080 hours, or probably in less than one year. The other 9000
hours worth of savings will be gravy.
At the www.energyguide.com website, they say that several utilities
offer 2 for 1 instant rebates when you purchase from them. However,
HL&P was not one of them. Perhaps this is something we could interest
them in doing, if they don't want to do the same deal as the New York
utility? From my calculations above, it is obvious that if they do
a 2 for 1 instant rebate, then consumers can buy these bulbs for almost
the cost of the equivalent lifetime incandescents. The energy savings
will all be pure profit then--for both the consumer and the environment.
I like the idea of HREG buying in bulk if there are enough interested
members. I don't know if we can do any better than www.energyguide.com.
Does anyone know of better deals?
If we really wanted to be ambitious, we could import them. I see that
they are mostly made in China. I looked at some China websites and see
where they sell what looks like the same bulb as I bought labeled
SpringLamp. They are sold wholesale in cases of 100. I have no idea
what the markup is, but if www.energyguide.com is selling them for half
of what RealGoods is, then perhaps we can estimate another 50% reduction
possible if we imported? I have no idea what would be involved in
importation, but suspect it might be more hassle than it is worth. On
the other hand, maybe a useful fundraiser?
Anyway, again, I'm still interested in suggestions from others as to the
places (online or offline) to buy CF's cheaply.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ChasMauch@... [mailto:ChasMauch@...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:10 PM
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: [hreg] Compact Fluorescents
> Great idea, marge! Maybe we should get more details about the
> power company
> in NY that sold the CFs as an energy-saving promotion and
> approach HL&P (aka
> Reliant Energy or Verizon or whatever) and ask them to do the
> same thing. If
> they can pay $300 million for the naming rights on an arena just for
> publicity (although why a monopoly needs to advertise is
> beyone me) they
> should be able to do this.
> Also, I heard that the city of Austin will pay to have cars
> there converted
> to run on natural gas which is a lot cheaper and cleaner than
> gasoline and
> improves the air quality. This usually costs about $2,000.
> Also heard that
> you could get it done even if you are from out of town if you
> have a friend
> who lives in Austin. Can any of our Austin friends tell us if
> this is true?
> Charlie Mauch
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