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Re: [hr100] Gearing up for Hardrock

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  • GEH@crosslinkinc.com
    Keith, As it says in the runners manual, prepare for ANY kind of weather. Assume you will be on top of Handies at 4-5 am in the dark, with snow on the ground
    Message 1 of 16 , Jun 21, 2001
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      Keith,

      As it says in the runners manual, prepare for ANY kind of weather. Assume you will be on top of Handies at 4-5 am in the dark, with snow on the ground and more coming down, with wind blowing 50 mph. We have had this.

      Seriously, I would take windproof pants, but make sure they have full-length zippers along each leg- this makes them easy to put on. If they are hard to put on or take off, you delay doing so too long beyond when you should have. When I get up high and the wind starts blowing, I find it is better to first put on windproof pants and keep your leg muscles warm, and only put on a jacket if it gets seriously cold. Cyclists will tell you how important it is to keep your leg muscles warm- you will have much less trouble with cramps etc.  Your torso should be left clear to get rid of heat.

      You may want to put extra things in your night bag, either at Ouray or Grouse. A day will have elapsed, who knows what the weather will actually be like..

      I also like to put a second pair of dark glasses in my "morning" bag, so  I don't have to carry them all night. Remember to put on sunscreen in the morning..

      Last year it was pretty warm at Sherman, but we had an afternoon blizzard on Handies- I froze, especially my legs. Always have more than you need..

      I would take more to Silverton- you can watch the last-minute weather and make up your drop bags accordingly. I would take light gloves for the day parts, but don't fool around at night- I use very thick ski gloves. Also, I use a large flashlight. I tried the 2xAA cell route, but those mountains are BIG- you need a corresponding flashlight. Also, assume your feet will be wet for more than half the time, even though this is looking like a relatively dry year from a snow perspective. I apply tons of vaseline, and re-apply it at least once or twice during the run. seems to help with the wet. If you get comfortable with wet feet, it takes your mind off one distraction!

      I tend to wear a ball cap in the day, and a poly-pro ski cap that I can pull down over my ears at night.

      If it is as  hot as it seems to shaping up for, assume you will have to drink from the creeks. I don't bother to treat the water, but if this worries you, get a filter-bottle or the tablets.

      Oh- and a crucifix, rabbits foot or whatever couldn't hurt.....

      Good luck

      Gordon Hardman

      Keith Knipling wrote:

      (Sorry if you get this twice – I sent this to the big ultra list too).

      I wanted to start a discussion on the list regarding Hardrock.I was interested in what people had to say regarding clothes, hydration systems, lights, etc.i.e. should I bring Gore-Tex, is a Camelbak a good idea, what kind of gloves should I bring, etc. etc. etc.Any information regarding anticipated times between aid would also be nice.Please be specific – if there is a specific jacket people recommend, let us know.How critical is having a waterproof/breathable jacket vs. just a waterproof one?Are tights enough or should I have waterproof pants?

      Any web resources would also be nice.

      I am looking forward to seeing several of my good friends from the East Coast out in Silverton in a few weeks (I’m arriving the day before – I want this to be as hard as possible - so I won’t see you guys until the briefing).

      Thanks,

      Keith

      Keith Knipling

      Materials Science and Engineering

      213 Holden Hall

      Virginia Tech

      Blacksburg, VA 24061-0237

      Voice: (540) 231-2105

      Fax: (540) 231-8919

      e-mail: kkniplin@... 



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    • Mike Farris
      BTW, I hear that the latest Outside magazine has the Hardrock article in it... Mike ________________________________________________________________ Dr. Mike
      Message 2 of 16 , Jun 21, 2001
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        BTW, I hear that the latest Outside magazine has the Hardrock article in it...

        Mike
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        Associate Professor of Biology Hamline University, St. Paul, MN
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      • Laura Turvey & Todd Burgess
        Keith, I ll skip what I wear (your preferences are probably nailed down by now) and dive straight into what I carry. I have a Camelbak Hawg, which is my
        Message 3 of 16 , Jun 21, 2001
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          Keith,
          I'll skip what I wear (your preferences are probably nailed down by now) and dive straight into what I carry.
          I have a Camelbak Hawg, which is my mountain buddy. It holds 100 ounces of water, two short-sleeve shirts, one long-sleeve shirt, one pair of packable, waterproof pants (which ride on the outside of the Camelbak), a small container of sunscreen, a pair of thin, waterproof gloves (cotton is useless; if you use your hands to stop a glissade, they're wet for the duration), a skullcap (extremely lightweight cap made of polyester that is helpful when it gets really cold), a glasses case (my prescription sunglasses go in here at night and my regular prescription glasses go here during the day) and my most important article of clothing, a Pneumatic Pullover: lightweight, wind-resistant and water-resistant. When I put that baby on in the wind or rain, I'm fine. I do tend to sweat a lot, though, if I wear it when I'm climbing and it's not windy or raining. I use it only in bad conditions.
          I try to have my dropbags well-stocked, including a pair of shoes and socks in each.
          Most important, I think (after suffering hypothermia on the second night twice): Have a heavy, Gortex-type jacket for the second night. When you've been going for 40-plus hours your tired body doesn't feel like producing extra heat (it just wants to go to bed).
          Todd Burgess
          -----Original Message-----
          From: Keith Knipling <kkniplin@...>
          To: hr100@yahoogroups.com <hr100@yahoogroups.com>
          Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 4:29 PM
          Subject: [hr100] Gearing up for Hardrock

          (Sorry if you get this twice – I sent this to the big ultra list too).

           

          I wanted to start a discussion on the list regarding Hardrock.  I was interested in what people had to say regarding clothes, hydration systems, lights, etc.  i.e. should I bring Gore-Tex, is a Camelbak a good idea, what kind of gloves should I bring, etc. etc. etc.  Any information regarding anticipated times between aid would also be nice.  Please be specific – if there is a specific jacket people recommend, let us know.  How critical is having a waterproof/breathable jacket vs. just a waterproof one?  Are tights enough or should I have waterproof pants?

           

          Any web resources would also be nice. 

           

          I am looking forward to seeing several of my good friends from the East Coast out in Silverton in a few weeks (I’m arriving the day before – I want this to be as hard as possible - so I won’t see you guys until the briefing).

           

          Thanks,

           

          Keith

           

           

          Keith Knipling

          Materials Science and Engineering

          213 Holden Hall

          Virginia Tech

          Blacksburg, VA 24061-0237

          Voice: (540) 231-2105

          Fax: (540) 231-8919

          e-mail: kkniplin@...

           




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        • robert boeder
          Moved to Silverton from Telluride??!!? What the hell is going on our there?
          Message 4 of 16 , Jun 21, 2001
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            Moved to Silverton from Telluride??!!? What the hell is going on our there?

            At 08:32 AM 6/21/2001 -0600, you wrote:
            >Just got a call from some new folks in town that have moved here from
            >Telluride. I have no connection at all nor have seen the place I know nothing.
            >Anyway this guy has rooms for rent on main street, 85 a day and 450 a week,
            >2 double beds in each cooking stuff, tv, vcr, kitchen, fridge, his name is
            >Jim Weller 70-387-5334
            >
            >Snow is a melting!!
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          • Keith Knipling
            Hello everyone, I still feel like crap, lungs are congested, but I am basking in thick, sticky, humid air that you westerners can only dream of. Oh, to be
            Message 5 of 16 , Jul 18, 2001
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              Hello everyone,

              I still feel like crap, lungs are congested, but I am basking in thick,
              sticky, humid air that you westerners can only dream of. Oh, to be able to
              breathe again. I’ll have a report on the way, but I thought you all might
              enjoy some pictures in the mean time:

              http://filebox.vt.edu/users/kkniplin/Hardrock%20Web%20Images/

              Keith



              Keith Knipling
              Materials Science and Engineering
              213 Holden Hall
              Virginia Tech
              Blacksburg, VA 24061-0237
              Voice: (540) 231-2105
              Fax: (540) 231-8919
              e-mail: kkniplin@...



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            • reno_debra@emc.com
              Great photos, Keith... bummer about the race, I know exactly how you feel in not getting a finish. But what an experience, huh? It was great! I m still
              Message 6 of 16 , Jul 18, 2001
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                Great photos, Keith...

                bummer about the race, I know exactly how you feel in not getting a finish.
                But what an experience, huh? It was great! I'm still coughing too... not
                unusual I understand.
                I'm planning on doing a bit of sketching of some of the course.... might
                even try to send in a candidate for the "print" for next years run. Would
                you consider letting me use some of your pictures as a guide?
                thanks,
                deb
                see ya at Masochist?

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                -----Original Message-----
                From: Keith Knipling [mailto:kkniplin@...]
                Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:00 PM
                To: hr100@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [hr100] Hardrock pics


                Hello everyone,

                I still feel like crap, lungs are congested, but I am basking in thick,
                sticky, humid air that you westerners can only dream of. Oh, to be able to
                breathe again. I'll have a report on the way, but I thought you all might
                enjoy some pictures in the mean time:

                http://filebox.vt.edu/users/kkniplin/Hardrock%20Web%20Images/

                Keith



                Keith Knipling
                Materials Science and Engineering
                213 Holden Hall
                Virginia Tech
                Blacksburg, VA 24061-0237
                Voice: (540) 231-2105
                Fax: (540) 231-8919
                e-mail: kkniplin@...



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              • GoJohnRun@aol.com
                hi keith, i can t figure out how to bring up the pics. that was some run wasn t it. i m still coughing and somewhat congested myself. it does take awhile to
                Message 7 of 16 , Jul 30, 2001
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                  hi keith, i can't figure out how to bring up the pics. that was some run
                  wasn't it. i'm still coughing and somewhat congested myself. it does take
                  awhile to recover. hope to see you and dad sometime this fall. best regards,
                  john dewalt


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                • John Robinson
                  Hi John, It was great to meet you at HR this year. Congratulations on a great run. It was really impressive. I was struggling and was happy to make it to the
                  Message 8 of 16 , Jul 30, 2001
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                    Hi John,

                    It was great to meet you at HR this year.
                    Congratulations on a great run. It was really
                    impressive. I was struggling and was happy to make it
                    to the finish, but it was a good learning experience
                    and still fun.

                    I saw your post about Keith's HR pictures. Just
                    thought I'd let you know that I took a few shots of
                    you. If you want to check them out they're on my
                    website at http://www.geocities.com/timberlinejohn

                    The pictures of you are on the 4th page of Virginius
                    pictures & the 2nd page of Mineral-KT pictures.



                    John Robinson
                    Portland, Oregon




                    --- GoJohnRun@... wrote:
                    > hi keith, i can't figure out how to bring up the
                    > pics. that was some run
                    > wasn't it. i'm still coughing and somewhat
                    > congested myself. it does take
                    > awhile to recover. hope to see you and dad sometime
                    > this fall. best regards,
                    > john dewalt
                    >
                    >
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                    > removed]
                    >
                    >


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                  • John Robinson
                    Oops, I didn t mean to send that last message to the HR group. Anyway, I did want to let everyone know that i ve posted quite a few of my pictures from this
                    Message 9 of 16 , Jul 30, 2001
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                      Oops,

                      I didn't mean to send that last message to the HR
                      group.

                      Anyway, I did want to let everyone know that i've
                      posted quite a few of my pictures from this years race
                      and i'm working on the rest.

                      My website is at:
                      http://www.geocities.com/timberlinejohn

                      It's really an incredible run -- even if I didn't see
                      any "mythical beasts" out there. (Unless John DeWalt
                      counts)


                      John Robinson

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                    • Keith Knipling
                      Hardrockers, They are on the VHTRC site ( www.vhtrc.org ) if you can t see them on my filebox. I think it s easier to browse through
                      Message 10 of 16 , Jul 31, 2001
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                        Hardrockers,

                        They are on the VHTRC site ( www.vhtrc.org <http://www.vhtrc.org/> ) if you
                        can't see them on my filebox. I think it's easier to browse through them on
                        the VHTRC site anyway, plus you can see Scott Mills' feet. Next time (if
                        there is one) I'll go out more than 30 hours before the start. It was
                        obvious to tell that most people acclimated, and even more obvious that I
                        wasn't one of them! Oh well, if it were easy I would have been
                        disappointed, and 85 miles ain't bad. I had your splits, John, from last
                        year on an index card - I knew if I could maintain those, I would finish. I
                        think anyone would put a lot of money on John DeWalt finishing Hardrock.
                        Great run.

                        Keith Knipling
                        Materials Science and Engineering
                        213 Holden Hall
                        Virginia Tech
                        Blacksburg, VA 24061-0237
                        Voice: (540) 231-2105
                        Fax: (540) 231-8919
                        e-mail: kkniplin@...

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: GoJohnRun@... [mailto:GoJohnRun@...]
                        Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 10:50 PM
                        To: hr100@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [hr100] Hardrock pics

                        hi keith, i can't figure out how to bring up the pics. that was some run
                        wasn't it. i'm still coughing and somewhat congested myself. it does take
                        awhile to recover. hope to see you and dad sometime this fall. best
                        regards,
                        john dewalt


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