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  • carolyn erdman
    Jim, you are so correct with what you said about withdrawing from sugar, it is much harder-for me-than any of the others I have given up/become unattached to.
    Message 1 of 7 , Jun 8, 2001
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      Jim, you are so correct with what you said about withdrawing from sugar, it
      is much harder-for me-than any of the others I have given up/become
      unattached to. Adding white flour to that I have found nothing in a 7/11
      store to satisfy the non sugar white flour.
      I think that the rining in the ears may be associated with it but do not
      know for sure. I am trying so stuff but nothing seems to be working as yet.
      If it does I'll let you know.
      What about Dr. Kathie Lang or John Dewalt they night have info.

      See you soon
    • Catherine Mataisz
      reply to Jim Fishers questions ... From: Adam W. Chase [mailto:chase@statetax-law.com] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:15 PM To: hr100@yahoogroups.com Cc:
      Message 2 of 7 , Jun 8, 2001
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        reply to Jim Fishers questions

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Adam W. Chase [mailto:chase@...]
        Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:15 PM
        To: 'hr100@yahoogroups.com'
        Cc: 'richruns@...'; 'jpyra@...'
        Subject: RE: [hr100] Questions fur yu


        I was forwarded your message from some friends who are the HR Group, Roch
        Horton and Catherine Mataisz. They thought I might have some answers
        because I have suffered from some blood sugar problems and do a lot of
        experimentation with different products in doing gear reviews and in an
        effort to improve my running and racing in trail ultras. Most recently I
        have been doing some investigation in the nutrition and running area for a
        book that Nancy Hobbs and I have co-authored, called The Ultimate Guide to
        Trail Running, due out this August from The Lyons Press (see

        The answer to your first question is that there are several low to almost
        no sugar replenishers on the market. One is Conquest, which you won't like
        because it contains Nutrasweet. Ultima is very low in sugar (almost none)
        and gets any sweet flavor from stevia, which is used widely in Japanese
        product but isn't that common in the U.S. Ultima's berry flavors are rather
        strong, but the Passion goes down real nicely and the stuff works very well
        to get the many minerals into your muscles instead of having them sit in
        your stomach because the sugars are blocking the absorption and requiring
        your digestive system to actually pull water away from your working muscles.
        Go figure.

        I understand that the new GU20 product is pretty low in sugar. I tried a
        pre-market sample and it certainly tasted as though it lacked sweetener.
        understanding is that they have dialed the flavor in a bit since then, so
        you may want to try that product when it hits the market in the near future.
        It is designed to work as a complement to sports gels and to facilitate the
        absorption of the minerals into your system.

        Other drinks that you may want to try because they offer a more balanced
        make-up but more than I prefer when running are Revenge, Cytomax, Clip,
        Succeed, and R4. They all have different bells and whistles, but the main
        idea is that they replace most everything you are losing. I tend to favor
        drinking something that is lighter and goes down more quickly and then I use
        salt tablets (Succeed from Ultra Fit, which you can find through
        UltraRunning) to enhance the salt balance, which answers your second

        As far as carbonation, you can always use "aqua con gas" or fizzy water or
        Perrier or Club Soda to get those bubbles into your system. That works very
        well to help with GI problems and bring up some deep belches to release
        pressure. I go for a shot of Coke late in an ultra in part because the
        psychological rush of sugar and caffeine helps push me for a handful of

        Any easier? Why would we do it if it were any easier? I would, however,
        suggest trying some adjustments to your diet both when on the run and during
        those few non-running moments of the day. I am a vegan and have found that
        if I overdo the sugar consumption I can even things out by eating some nuts
        (I prefer soy nuts) in the afternoon and that gets me some needed fat and
        protein to take the edge off for the rest of the day.

        I hope that helps. The hard part is that things change and so what worked
        one year (or one season or one day) may not the next. Its fun trying to get
        it right and otherwise life would be pretty dull.



        Adam W. Chase
        (303) 444-2993

        -----Original Message-----
        From: jfisher [mailto:leptonsunlimited@...]
        Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:33 PM
        To: hr100@yahoogroups.com
        Cc: richruns@...; jpyra@...
        Subject: [hr100] Questions fur yu

        Howdy All

        >From Jim Fisher, 5 time HR100 finisher.
        I have a story and some questions fur y'all.

        As an almost daily routine, for the warmer 6-8 months a year, for the
        last 10-12 years, I would go by the local 7 / 11 style grocery store /
        gas station in the afternoon and buy a super large fountain drink. I
        would drink this on the way up to the ski basin where I did my daily
        training runs. For years this worked out quite well. I was well
        hydrated, had plenty of energy to run, and a can of pringles would
        suffice for dinner.

        Then about 3 years ago I began to have energy problems. These gradually
        got worse to the point that sometimes during the last several years I
        could not train. I would go up to the trailheads as usual, but my entire
        body (not just my legs) was so depleted of energy that pretending to run
        anything more than 100 meters was totally beyond my capability. Not only
        did this mysterious condition sit me down and drag my butt in the dirt,
        it increased to the point that some days I could not focus or
        concentrate to work, even by the lowest standards of ultra running
        decision making and logic.

        Being an addicted runner, I tried every trick in the book to get a
        handle on this condition; every combination of vitamins, minerals, red
        meats, green vegetables, carbo's, DHEA, etc. known to man. I did
        cleanses for intestinal parasites, whether I had then or not,
        acupuncture, got blood tests, you name it. Nothing brought lasting
        relief, and nothing indicated that my body was reacting so badly to

        Finally this spring I concluded that maybe the problem wasn't what I was
        NOT eating. The problem was what I WAS eating; too much SUGAR. A few
        short experiments gave me undisputable evidence that, indeed my body no
        longer liked my prime fuel of all these years. Even a mere day or two of
        fountain drinks or other forms of sugar and I can not run from here to
        the bathroom.

        So my questions are.
        1) Does anyone know of a sports replenishment drink which does not
        contain sugar? (Considering the Hardrock to be a multi-day event, I
        don't want to chance continually ingesting sugar the whole first day)
        2) Does anyone know of a way to maintain bodily salt balance without the
        use of sports replenishment drinks? (Assuming that the Hardrock will be
        a long hot sweaty affair this year)
        3) In the past I have used canned Coke Cola to calm down my stomach and
        keep it under control when it got wierd during ultras. Does anyone know
        of another carbonated beverage, without sugar (forget Nutrasweet, barf)
        , which will serve this purpose?
        4) Does anyone know a way to make this process any easier? (If you think
        quitting sex or alcohol is difficult, then try getting off of sugar.)
        The next time you are out and about the town, try going by the local 7 /
        11 style establishment and seeing if you can find any liquid in their
        cooler cases that does not contain sugar.
        5) About the same time my energy problems began to occurr, I also
        developed ringing in my ears, which appears to be a permanent on-going
        nusiance. Does anyone know of a cure for this condition; western,
        oriental, or otherwise.

        I realize that I am probably going to get a bunch of wise-ass answers,
        but I would appreciate at least a few serious ones.
        Please reply to Jim Fisher directly;
        leptonsunlimited@... unless you just want everybody to
        read your wise-ass comments or you feel that you have some information
        valuable to the whole running community.

        Thank You So Very Much
        Jim Fisher

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