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Re: [hr100] Hardrock - a note concerning the wait list

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  • james varner
    i agree with maurico i think the number of tickets each runner will get in the lottery should be published along with their name on the applicants list posted
    Message 1 of 3 , Feb 8, 2011
      i agree with maurico i think the number of tickets each runner will get in the
      lottery should be published along with their name on the applicants list posted
      on the website prior to the lottery. everyone makes mistakes but there's usually
      ways to minimize the likelihood. and as someone who waited through 7 years of
      applying to the lottery to finally get chosen on super sunday i have wondered in
      the past if i had been granted the right number tickets but i never had a way to

      that said i do believe the hardrock inner circle aka board/staff does a great
      job handling a tough situation (high demand for a very limited number of
      entries) and i trust that they try to be fair and accurate in all that they do.

      thanks everyone and i'm so very excited to finally run this race, my favorite
      race ever, with knowing from from day one that i'm in(the only two times i've
      ran the race i got in off the waitlist--once the day before and they other time
      about three weeks before).

      james "7th time is the charm" varner
      Rainshadow Running 2011 Race Schedule

      Feb 5 Orcas Island 50k/25k Eastsound, WA (SOLD OUT)
      Mar 12 Gorge Waterfalls 50k Cascade Locks, OR
      Apr 3 Yakima Skyline Rim 50k/25k Ellensburg, WA
      May 22 Sun Mountain 50m/50k/25k/1k Winthrop, WA
      Jun 12 Beacon Rock 50k/25k N. Bonneville, WA
      Jun 25 Cle Elum Ridge 50k/25k Cle Elum, WA
      Aug 13 Angels Staircase 50m/50k/25k Carlton, WA
      Sept 18 North Cascades PCT 100k/50k Mazama, WA
      Sept 25 Winthrop Road Marathon Winthrop, WA
      Oct 8 Mt Spokane 50k/25k Spokane, WA
      Nov 26 Christmas at the End of the Road 5k/1k Winthrop, WA
      Dec 10 Deception Pass 50k/25k Oak Harbor, WA

      From: Mauricio Herrera Cuadra <mauricio@...>
      To: hr100@yahoogroups.com; ultra@...
      Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:11:44 AM
      Subject: Re: [hr100] Hardrock - a note concerning the wait list


      I don't know if I'm the only case for this but, I appear in this list with only
      1 ticket for the lottery when I should have had 2 tickets (I was waitlisted last

      year!). It seems to me like there was some confusion with my name or the
      question in the HR entry form that reads "HAVE YOU EVER SUBMITTED AN ENTRY FORM
      TO HARDROCK HUNDRED BEFORE?" and where I answered "YES" wasn't considered at

      I know the lottery results are already out and that there has been a bunch of
      discussion about the HR entry process, but it really saddens me to know that my
      already poor (18.7%) chances of being selected were cut in half (9.8%) due to
      some administrative (human) error. I think it would be fair to publish (or
      notify each runner) the amount of allocated tickets a few days prior to the
      lottery so any confusion could be resolved and people felt a little bit more
      satisfied with the process.

      Just my 0.02 cents.


      From: Blake P. Wood <bwood@...>
      To: ultra@...
      Cc: hr100@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 8:54:17 AM
      Subject: [hr100] Hardrock - a note concerning the wait list

      Judging from the emails we've received, there is a lot of confusion about what
      NOT appearing on the Hardrock wait list means. This note hopefully will clarify

      the situation.

      In the past we kept pulling names in our lottery until the bitter end, so that
      all qualified applicants who did not get in appeared on the wait list. This
      year, facing 600 applicants, we elected to only pull 100 names for the wait
      list. Considering that in recent years we've gone less than 30-deep on the wait

      list, we felt this was enough, and it saved us hours of work on Superbowl

      If you were a qualified applicant and did not get in, you WILL be considered a
      wait lister for purposes of allocating tickets next year, whether or not you
      appear on the wait list.

      We have placed a list of applicants who made neither the entry nor wait list on
      our web page at http://hardrock100.com/hardrock_2011_not_selected_020611.pdf On
      this list, we also show how many tickets each of these applicants had in the
      lottery. We do this to make the point that many, many long-time Hardrockers did

      not get in - again, the result of running a statistically fair lottery where we
      had about 550 runners chasing after about 100 slots. Believe me, that hurts -
      there are many good friends on that list!

      We received 33 "Standard IV" applications, that is, applications from runners
      who hadn't done a qualifier but who were petitioning to get into the lottery
      anyway. In the majority of cases, we accepted these from foreigners (who don't
      have easy access to our qualifying races) if they had run other 100 mile trail
      races. However, we rejected most of those from North American applicants, since

      there were 570 other runners who HAD gone to the trouble and expense of doing a
      qualifier. If you sent us a Standard IV application, and do not appear on any
      of the three lists at http://hardrock.com, your application was rejected and you

      will be hearing from the RD to explain why. Let me emphasize that this is NOT a

      judgement of your ability as an ultrarunner - many of the rejected applications
      were from very good runners.

      - Blake

      Blake P. Wood
      Air Force Systems Design and Assessment, Group XTD-5, MS-T085
      Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos NM 87545
      office/STE: (505) 665-6524 Fax: (505) 665-1231 bwood@...

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