Re: [hr100] Shoes for Hardrock?
- hi matt
i second twiggy's response that there's probably
better ways to shave ounces but i know you like those
super light shoes and you gotta go with what you like
if you're willing to go a little heavier i love my
invo8 305's i've never had a better shoe but for you
it's pretty heavy at 10.76 oz. invo8 has a bunch of
other shoes even lighter all the way down to 8+ oz and
they all have plenty of traction for hardrock.
and i know 2 young trail speedsters who love their new
balance 790's whiich i think weigh 7 oz. so if those
shoes are lite enough of skaggs and krupicka they
could be lite enough for you.
have fun and see ya in s-town!
--- Matt Mahoney <matmahoney@...> wrote:
> I am wondering what shoes to wear for Hardrock this____________________________________________________________________________________
> year. There is
> more snow than usual, meaning more than usual water
> crossings. I would
> like a shoe that dries quickly but grips well on
> steep snow and mud.
> My last two attempts were DNFs. In 2006 I wore some
> 7 oz. Nike Zoom
> racing flats without socks. These were well worn so
> that the bottoms
> were smooth. This was not too much of a problem
> because it was a dry
> year. However, I did not finish the course. For
> those familiar with
> the area, I made it to the Silverton ski hut when I
> heard the town
> clock strike 6 signaling that my 48 hours were up.
> In 2007 there was average snow and we ran
> counterclockwise. I wore
> Walsh PB trainers ordered from the UK. These are
> heavier (about 10 oz
> dry) and have an excellent grip due to a grid of
> monster spikes on the
> bottom. However they don't drain well so they are
> heavy when wet.
> Anyway, I did slightly better than last year, making
> it to the corner
> of Snowdon and 11'th St (behind the Silverton
> library) before time was
> I think there is room for improvement. We will be
> going clockwise this
> year. They normally set up an outdoor "living room"
> under a canopy
> with a sofa, lamp, table, etc. for runners to lounge
> in. Usually it is
> about 20 feet before the Hardrock. I would like to
> make it at least
> that far.
> Anyway I looked at the PB racers but the new racers
> are about the same
> weight as the old trainers (progress, I guess). So
> instead I ordered
> some Vibram Five Fingers KSO (nfi). I got them
> yesterday and did a 3
> mile test run on a mix of flat roads and grass.
> They felt good,
> although my calves got a better than usual workout.
> It isn't exactly
> like Hardrock terrain, but I live in Florida so it
> is the best I can
> Anyway the KSOs are really light, about 5 oz. with a
> thin mesh upper
> that ought to dry quickly. The sole is contoured to
> fit the foot,
> including a pocket for each toe so they can move
> independently. It
> varies in thickness. The thickest areas (about 1/8
> inch or 3 mm) are
> around the heel and ball of the foot. I like the
> flexibility. You can
> roll the shoes up into a ball and put them in your
> In my test run, I really get a good feel for the
> ground. There is an
> obvious difference between smooth and rough
> pavement. So I know I will
> feel every pebble. It does not have an aggressive
> tread so I wondered
> about steep snow. On the Huaraches list someone
> said you could dig
> your toes into the snow so it wasn't a problem.
> Also, I believe some
> rock climbers use them. The traction comes from
> fitting your foot to
> the ground, which you can't do in a stiff soled
> I plan to do some longer test runs first (Wickham
> Park) before I
> decide. But has anyone run on mountain terrain in
> these shoes? I know
> Barefoot Ted ran Angeles Crest in a slightly
> different model of
> FiveFingers and said the only slippery areas were
> sloping granite slabs
> with gravel on top.
> -- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...
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