1542Re: [hr100] Shoes for Hardrock?
- May 2 2:55 PMAs far a Five Fingers in snow goes, I tried to do ski hill repeats in
a pair this winter. Traction was pretty good up the slopes but my toes
froze pretty quickly. Very painful, wouldn't recommend it.
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Matt Mahoney <matmahoney@...> wrote:
> I am wondering what shoes to wear for Hardrock this year. There is
> more snow than usual, meaning more than usual water crossings. I would
> like a shoe that dries quickly but grips well on steep snow and mud.
> My last two attempts were DNFs. In 2006 I wore some 7 oz. Nike Zoom
> racing flats without socks. These were well worn so that the bottoms
> were smooth. This was not too much of a problem because it was a dry
> year. However, I did not finish the course. For those familiar with
> the area, I made it to the Silverton ski hut when I heard the town
> clock strike 6 signaling that my 48 hours were up.
> In 2007 there was average snow and we ran counterclockwise. I wore
> Walsh PB trainers ordered from the UK. These are heavier (about 10 oz
> dry) and have an excellent grip due to a grid of monster spikes on the
> bottom. However they don't drain well so they are heavy when wet.
> Anyway, I did slightly better than last year, making it to the corner
> of Snowdon and 11'th St (behind the Silverton library) before time was
> I think there is room for improvement. We will be going clockwise this
> year. They normally set up an outdoor "living room" under a canopy
> with a sofa, lamp, table, etc. for runners to lounge in. Usually it is
> about 20 feet before the Hardrock. I would like to make it at least
> that far.
> Anyway I looked at the PB racers but the new racers are about the same
> weight as the old trainers (progress, I guess). So instead I ordered
> some Vibram Five Fingers KSO (nfi). I got them yesterday and did a 3
> mile test run on a mix of flat roads and grass. They felt good,
> although my calves got a better than usual workout. It isn't exactly
> like Hardrock terrain, but I live in Florida so it is the best I can
> Anyway the KSOs are really light, about 5 oz. with a thin mesh upper
> that ought to dry quickly. The sole is contoured to fit the foot,
> including a pocket for each toe so they can move independently. It
> varies in thickness. The thickest areas (about 1/8 inch or 3 mm) are
> around the heel and ball of the foot. I like the flexibility. You can
> roll the shoes up into a ball and put them in your pockets.
> In my test run, I really get a good feel for the ground. There is an
> obvious difference between smooth and rough pavement. So I know I will
> feel every pebble. It does not have an aggressive tread so I wondered
> about steep snow. On the Huaraches list someone said you could dig
> your toes into the snow so it wasn't a problem. Also, I believe some
> rock climbers use them. The traction comes from fitting your foot to
> the ground, which you can't do in a stiff soled shoe.
> I plan to do some longer test runs first (Wickham Park) before I
> decide. But has anyone run on mountain terrain in these shoes? I know
> Barefoot Ted ran Angeles Crest in a slightly different model of
> FiveFingers and said the only slippery areas were sloping granite slabs
> with gravel on top.
> -- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...
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