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  • pamythompson
    Mr. Dyer, That was extremely considerate of you. I always thought all meetings should be made available to the public, even PTA meetings and believed the
    Message 1 of 19 , Apr 2, 2011
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      Mr. Dyer,

      That was extremely considerate of you. I always thought all meetings should be made available to the public, even PTA meetings and believed the students should be the producers of this media in an effort to gain skills.

      Now my honest take on the meeting without the audio. "mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at the table" I find this some what disturbing as I can not differentiate the two from what I would consider the opposition. Actually, I see Marc Blum as serving as a personal advisor for the employees of the hcpss, a far cry from serving the public. The lack of particpation by the public must be more then the time of day thus rectifying this must become a glaring priority. Any governing body which lacks the participation of the people, albeit the elected BOE was present, is without any semblance of credible authority. Again, I applaud your efforts to include the citizens of Howard county. Now, I need to respectfuly take the time to listen to your efforts.

      Jack




      --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@...> wrote:
      >
      > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
      > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that there
      > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i did use
      > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a record. i
      > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is a
      > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
      >
      > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download the
      > retreat recording.
      >
      > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland association
      > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at the
      > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table in
      > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
      > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will get
      > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
      >
      > allen dyer
      > ________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > From: Allen R. Dyer
      > Subject:
      > friday's retreat .wav recording
      >
      > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
      > Cc: Student Member & Board
      >
      > dear kathy,
      >
      > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is too
      > big to send as an email
      > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on monday
      > or tuesday.
      > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a copy
      > can click on the
      > following link and then save the .wav file (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
      > to their computer.
      >
      > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
      >
      > allen
      >
      > ******************************************
      > Allen Dyer, Board Member
      > Howard County Board of Education
      >
    • colleendolphin
      Allen, Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark, Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped? Colleen
      Message 2 of 19 , Apr 3, 2011
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        Allen,
        Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark, Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped?
        Colleen

        --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@...> wrote:
        >
        > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
        > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that there
        > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i did use
        > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a record. i
        > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is a
        > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
        >
        > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download the
        > retreat recording.
        >
        > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland association
        > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at the
        > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table in
        > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
        > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will get
        > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
        >
        > allen dyer
        > ________________________________________________________________________
        >
        > From: Allen R. Dyer
        > Subject:
        > friday's retreat .wav recording
        >
        > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
        > Cc: Student Member & Board
        >
        > dear kathy,
        >
        > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is too
        > big to send as an email
        > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on monday
        > or tuesday.
        > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a copy
        > can click on the
        > following link and then save the .wav file (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
        > to their computer.
        >
        > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
        >
        > allen
        >
        > ******************************************
        > Allen Dyer, Board Member
        > Howard County Board of Education
        >
      • Allen Dyer
        colleen, recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open meetings act. regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after
        Message 3 of 19 , Apr 3, 2011
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          colleen,
           
          recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open meetings act. 
           
          regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last retreat, i asked whether it had been recorded and the response was "no but any one attending the meeting could have recorded it."
           
          i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee meeting. 
           
          allen
          ______________________________
           
          Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
           

              (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the general public is entitled to attend.
           
              (b) Rules. -- A public body shall adopt and enforce reasonable rules regarding the conduct of persons attending its meetings and the videotaping, televising, photographing, broadcasting, or recording of its meetings.
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
          Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording

          Allen,
          Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark, Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped?
          Colleen

          --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@...> wrote:
          >
          > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
          > center at 1:00 pm.  given the time of day, it was understandable that there
          > wasn't any public attendance.  but, in case there is any interest, i did use
          > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a record.  i
          > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is a
          > bit ragged.  still...the price was right.
          >
          > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download the
          > retreat recording.
          >
          > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland association
          > of board of education.  mark blum and judy bresler  were also sitting at the
          > table with board members and board staff.  the olympus was on the table in
          > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine.  as i have
          > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will get
          > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
          >
          > allen dyer
          > ________________________________________________________________________
          >
          > From: Allen R. Dyer
          > Subject:
          > friday's retreat .wav recording
          >
          > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
          > Cc: Student Member & Board
          >
          > dear kathy,
          >
          > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is too
          > big to send as an email
          > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on monday
          > or tuesday.
          > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a copy
          > can click on the
          > following link and then save the .wav file (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
          > to their computer.
          >
          > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
          >
          > allen
          >
          > ******************************************
          > Allen Dyer, Board Member
          > Howard County Board of Education
          >




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        • Allen Dyer
          one of the issues discussed and voted on at the retreat was the availability of closed meeting minutes to board members. prior to the retreat, ms. hanks
          Message 4 of 19 , Apr 3, 2011
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            one of the issues discussed and voted on at the retreat was the availability of closed meeting minutes to board members.  prior to the retreat, ms. hanks contacted other county boards of education to survey how each dealt with the issue of access to closed meeting minutes.  the attached spreadsheet printout, which is a compilation of the results of ms. hanks efforts, was distributed at the retreat.
             
            allen dyer
             

            --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@...> wrote:
            >
            > yesterday was the board's
            retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
            > center at 1:00 pm. 
            given the time of day, it was understandable that there
            > wasn't any
            public attendance.  but, in case there is any interest, i did use
            >
            an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a record.  i
            > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording
            is a
            > bit ragged.  still...the price was right.
            >
            > see
            appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download the
            >
            retreat recording.
            >
            > the first voice you hear will be kitty
            blumsack, from maryland association
            > of board of education.  mark
            blum and judy bresler  were also sitting at the
            > table with board
            members and board staff.  the olympus was on the table in
            > front of
            me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine.  as i have
            >
            cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will get
            > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
            >
            > allen dyer
            >
            ________________________________________________________________________
            >
            > From: Allen R. Dyer
            > Subject:
            > friday's retreat .wav
            recording
            >
            > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
            > Cc: Student Member
            & Board
            >
            > dear kathy,
            >
            > the file size of my
            recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is too
            > big to send as
            an email
            > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the
            office on monday
            > or tuesday.
            > in the interim, i have placed a
            copy on the web so anyone that wants a copy
            > can click on the
            >
            following link and then save the .wav file (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
            > to their computer.
            >
            >
            href="http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav">http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
            >
            > allen
            >
            >
            ******************************************
            > Allen Dyer, Board
            Member
            > Howard County Board of
            Education
            >




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          • colleendolphin
            Thanks Allen- I love learning new things! Colleen
            Message 5 of 19 , Apr 4, 2011
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              Thanks Allen- I love learning new things!
              Colleen

              --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@...> wrote:
              >
              > colleen,
              >
              > recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open
              > meetings act.
              >
              > regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last
              > retreat, i asked whether it had been recorded and the response was "no but
              > any one attending the meeting could have recorded it."
              >
              > i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble
              > getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee meeting.
              >
              > allen
              > ______________________________
              >
              > Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
              >
              >
              > (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the
              > general public is entitled to attend.
              >
              > (b) Rules. -- A public body shall adopt and enforce reasonable rules
              > regarding the conduct of persons attending its meetings and the videotaping,
              > televising, photographing, broadcasting, or recording of its meetings.
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: colleendolphin
              > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
              > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
              > recording
              >
              >
              > Allen,
              > Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark,
              > Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped?
              > Colleen
              >
              > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
              > >
              > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
              > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
              > there
              > > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i did
              > use
              > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a
              > record. i
              > > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is
              > a
              > > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
              > >
              > > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download
              > the
              > > retreat recording.
              > >
              > > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland
              > association
              > > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at
              > the
              > > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table
              > in
              > > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
              > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will
              > get
              > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
              > >
              > > allen dyer
              > > ________________________________________________________________________
              > >
              > > From: Allen R. Dyer
              > > Subject:
              > > friday's retreat .wav recording
              > >
              > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
              > > Cc: Student Member & Board
              > >
              > > dear kathy,
              > >
              > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
              > too
              > > big to send as an email
              > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
              > monday
              > > or tuesday.
              > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
              > copy
              > > can click on the
              > > following link and then save the .wav file
              > (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
              > > to their computer.
              > >
              > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
              > >
              > > allen
              > >
              > > ******************************************
              > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
              > > Howard County Board of Education
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
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            • cynthia vaillancourt
              For those who listen to the recording, I was surprised at how similar Ellen and I sound on the recording. I had to listen very hard to the content to figure
              Message 6 of 19 , Apr 4, 2011
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                For those who listen to the recording, 
                I was surprised at how similar Ellen and I sound on the recording.  I had to listen very hard to the content to figure out whether it was her or me speaking.    As a rule of thumb (as has been pointed out here) I don't speak as much as some of the others so chances are it is not me on the tape.  Although, you may assume anything really profound is me ;).
                Cindy V


                To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                From: colleendolphin@...
                Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:07:10 +0000
                Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording

                 
                Thanks Allen- I love learning new things!
                Colleen

                --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@...> wrote:
                >
                > colleen,
                >
                > recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open
                > meetings act.
                >
                > regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last
                > retreat, i asked whether it had been recorded and the response was "no but
                > any one attending the meeting could have recorded it."
                >
                > i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble
                > getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee meeting.
                >
                > allen
                > ______________________________
                >
                > Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
                >
                >
                > (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the
                > general public is entitled to attend.
                >
                > (b) Rules. -- A public body shall adopt and enforce reasonable rules
                > regarding the conduct of persons attending its meetings and the videotaping,
                > televising, photographing, broadcasting, or recording of its meetings.
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: colleendolphin
                > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
                > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
                > recording
                >
                >
                > Allen,
                > Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark,
                > Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped?
                > Colleen
                >
                > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                > >
                > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
                > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
                > there
                > > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i did
                > use
                > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a
                > record. i
                > > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is
                > a
                > > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
                > >
                > > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download
                > the
                > > retreat recording.
                > >
                > > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland
                > association
                > > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at
                > the
                > > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table
                > in
                > > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
                > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will
                > get
                > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
                > >
                > > allen dyer
                > > __________________________________________________________
                > >
                > > From: Allen R. Dyer
                > > Subject:
                > > friday's retreat .wav recording
                > >
                > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
                > > Cc: Student Member & Board
                > >
                > > dear kathy,
                > >
                > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
                > too
                > > big to send as an email
                > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
                > monday
                > > or tuesday.
                > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
                > copy
                > > can click on the
                > > following link and then save the .wav file
                > (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
                > > to their computer.
                > >
                > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
                > >
                > > allen
                > >
                > > ******************************************
                > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
                > > Howard County Board of Education
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------------
                >
                > This is the Howard Public Education Mailing List. All original messages
                > posted here are placed in the public domain unless the poster states
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                >


              • colleendolphin
                Allen, I was just re-reading the code and I am hoping that everyone there (at the re-treat) knew that they were being recorded. Although the meeting was
                Message 7 of 19 , Apr 4, 2011
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                  Allen,
                  I was just re-reading the "code" and I am hoping that everyone there (at the re-treat) knew that they were being recorded. Although the meeting was public, the code states that rules will be adopted in reference to recording and broadcasting. I didn't hear (and can't tell from previous meetings)- did you all agree on the recording and broadcasting process of the meetings? If they didn't, does the MD law about recording override the code?
                  Colleen

                  --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "colleendolphin" <colleendolphin@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Thanks Allen- I love learning new things!
                  > Colleen
                  >
                  > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > colleen,
                  > >
                  > > recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open
                  > > meetings act.
                  > >
                  > > regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last
                  > > retreat, i asked whether it had been recorded and the response was "no but
                  > > any one attending the meeting could have recorded it."
                  > >
                  > > i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble
                  > > getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee meeting.
                  > >
                  > > allen
                  > > ______________________________
                  > >
                  > > Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the
                  > > general public is entitled to attend.
                  > >
                  > > (b) Rules. -- A public body shall adopt and enforce reasonable rules
                  > > regarding the conduct of persons attending its meetings and the videotaping,
                  > > televising, photographing, broadcasting, or recording of its meetings.
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: colleendolphin
                  > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
                  > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
                  > > recording
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Allen,
                  > > Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark,
                  > > Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped?
                  > > Colleen
                  > >
                  > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
                  > > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
                  > > there
                  > > > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i did
                  > > use
                  > > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a
                  > > record. i
                  > > > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is
                  > > a
                  > > > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
                  > > >
                  > > > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download
                  > > the
                  > > > retreat recording.
                  > > >
                  > > > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland
                  > > association
                  > > > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at
                  > > the
                  > > > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table
                  > > in
                  > > > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
                  > > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will
                  > > get
                  > > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
                  > > >
                  > > > allen dyer
                  > > > ________________________________________________________________________
                  > > >
                  > > > From: Allen R. Dyer
                  > > > Subject:
                  > > > friday's retreat .wav recording
                  > > >
                  > > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
                  > > > Cc: Student Member & Board
                  > > >
                  > > > dear kathy,
                  > > >
                  > > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
                  > > too
                  > > > big to send as an email
                  > > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
                  > > monday
                  > > > or tuesday.
                  > > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
                  > > copy
                  > > > can click on the
                  > > > following link and then save the .wav file
                  > > (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
                  > > > to their computer.
                  > > >
                  > > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
                  > > >
                  > > > allen
                  > > >
                  > > > ******************************************
                  > > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
                  > > > Howard County Board of Education
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > This is the Howard Public Education Mailing List. All original messages
                  > > posted here are placed in the public domain unless the poster states
                  > > otherwise. Re-published messages (i.e. newspaper articles) retain their
                  > > original copyright status.Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > >
                  >
                • cynthia vaillancourt
                  Colleen,I don t know the answer to your specific questions - but I was there when the statement was made that the last retreat could have been video taped if
                  Message 8 of 19 , Apr 4, 2011
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                    Colleen,
                    I don't know the answer to your specific questions - but I was there when the statement was made that the last retreat could have been video taped if anyone there had wanted to.  I can also confirm allen's statement that other recording devices were present, and that there were at least 5 in attendance who are not BOE members.  
                    I can also confirm (as can the tape) that it was discussed that this was, in fact, an open meeting and that anything said would be available to the public - and at least one member responded by stating he would not comment on the matter at hand.
                    It would be hard for anyone there to try to argue that there was any question about whether anything they might say would become a matter of pubic disclosure or record.
                    However, I would also like to have a definitive answer to the questions you raise.
                    Cindy V


                    To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                    From: colleendolphin@...
                    Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:43:11 +0000
                    Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording

                     
                    Allen,
                    I was just re-reading the "code" and I am hoping that everyone there (at the re-treat) knew that they were being recorded. Although the meeting was public, the code states that rules will be adopted in reference to recording and broadcasting. I didn't hear (and can't tell from previous meetings)- did you all agree on the recording and broadcasting process of the meetings? If they didn't, does the MD law about recording override the code?
                    Colleen

                    --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "colleendolphin" <colleendolphin@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Thanks Allen- I love learning new things!
                    > Colleen
                    >
                    > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > colleen,
                    > >
                    > > recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open
                    > > meetings act.
                    > >
                    > > regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last
                    > > retreat, i asked whether it had been recorded and the response was "no but
                    > > any one attending the meeting could have recorded it."
                    > >
                    > > i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble
                    > > getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee meeting.
                    > >
                    > > allen
                    > > ______________________________
                    > >
                    > > Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the
                    > > general public is entitled to attend.
                    > >
                    > > (b) Rules. -- A public body shall adopt and enforce reasonable rules
                    > > regarding the conduct of persons attending its meetings and the videotaping,
                    > > televising, photographing, broadcasting, or recording of its meetings.
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: colleendolphin
                    > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
                    > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
                    > > recording
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Allen,
                    > > Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark,
                    > > Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped?
                    > > Colleen
                    > >
                    > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
                    > > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
                    > > there
                    > > > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i did
                    > > use
                    > > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a
                    > > record. i
                    > > > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is
                    > > a
                    > > > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
                    > > >
                    > > > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download
                    > > the
                    > > > retreat recording.
                    > > >
                    > > > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland
                    > > association
                    > > > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at
                    > > the
                    > > > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table
                    > > in
                    > > > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
                    > > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will
                    > > get
                    > > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
                    > > >
                    > > > allen dyer
                    > > > __________________________________________________________
                    > > >
                    > > > From: Allen R. Dyer
                    > > > Subject:
                    > > > friday's retreat .wav recording
                    > > >
                    > > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
                    > > > Cc: Student Member & Board
                    > > >
                    > > > dear kathy,
                    > > >
                    > > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
                    > > too
                    > > > big to send as an email
                    > > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
                    > > monday
                    > > > or tuesday.
                    > > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
                    > > copy
                    > > > can click on the
                    > > > following link and then save the .wav file
                    > > (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
                    > > > to their computer.
                    > > >
                    > > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
                    > > >
                    > > > allen
                    > > >
                    > > > ******************************************
                    > > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
                    > > > Howard County Board of Education
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > This is the Howard Public Education Mailing List. All original messages
                    > > posted here are placed in the public domain unless the poster states
                    > > otherwise. Re-published messages (i.e. newspaper articles) retain their
                    > > original copyright status.Yahoo! Groups Links
                    > >
                    >


                  • robert.rhodeshc
                    Cindy, Who was the BOE member heard on the tape demanding copies of the resumés (without redactions) of the candidates for the Deputy Superintendent position?
                    Message 9 of 19 , Apr 4, 2011
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                      Cindy,

                      Who was the BOE member heard on the tape demanding copies of the resumés (without redactions) of the candidates for the Deputy Superintendent position? Is it now BOE policy that members receive the resumés of all candidates for any vacant leadership position (Principal, Asst. Principal, Coordinator, Manager, Resource Teacher, etc.)? If so, when will the documents be made available (when the Board packet listing the Superintendent's choice for the position is received, after the vote as in the case of the DS...)? What is the rationale for the request of candidate's resumés? Would the content of the resumé influence a member's vote in public session for the Superintendent's choice? Should BOE members be directly involved in the interviews of staff leadership vacancies? Is this a matter of trust in the Superintendent's judgment in hiring? I believe I heard the word "oversight" used in prior discussions on this topic.

                      Are there other BOE members who agree with you on this matter and who have also requested this information? If so, which members exactly?

                      Regardless of whether Board members are entitled to see such documents, this seems a huge departure from prior practice. What motivated this change in prior practice?

                      I hope you can/will answer all of my questions. Now, if the voice on the tape in this case was not you....then never mind.

                      RR

                      --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, cynthia vaillancourt <CynthiaVaillancourt@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > For those who listen to the recording, I was surprised at how similar Ellen and I sound on the recording. I had to listen very hard to the content to figure out whether it was her or me speaking. As a rule of thumb (as has been pointed out here) I don't speak as much as some of the others so chances are it is not me on the tape. Although, you may assume anything really profound is me ;).Cindy V
                      >
                      > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                      > From: colleendolphin@...
                      > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:07:10 +0000
                      > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Thanks Allen- I love learning new things!
                      >
                      > Colleen
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > colleen,
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open
                      >
                      > > meetings act.
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last
                      >
                      > > retreat, i asked whether it had been recorded and the response was "no but
                      >
                      > > any one attending the meeting could have recorded it."
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble
                      >
                      > > getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee meeting.
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > allen
                      >
                      > > ______________________________
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the
                      >
                      > > general public is entitled to attend.
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > (b) Rules. -- A public body shall adopt and enforce reasonable rules
                      >
                      > > regarding the conduct of persons attending its meetings and the videotaping,
                      >
                      > > televising, photographing, broadcasting, or recording of its meetings.
                      >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      >
                      > > From: colleendolphin
                      >
                      > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                      >
                      > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
                      >
                      > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
                      >
                      > > recording
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > Allen,
                      >
                      > > Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark,
                      >
                      > > Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped?
                      >
                      > > Colleen
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
                      >
                      > > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
                      >
                      > > there
                      >
                      > > > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i did
                      >
                      > > use
                      >
                      > > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a
                      >
                      > > record. i
                      >
                      > > > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is
                      >
                      > > a
                      >
                      > > > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download
                      >
                      > > the
                      >
                      > > > retreat recording.
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland
                      >
                      > > association
                      >
                      > > > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at
                      >
                      > > the
                      >
                      > > > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table
                      >
                      > > in
                      >
                      > > > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
                      >
                      > > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will
                      >
                      > > get
                      >
                      > > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > allen dyer
                      >
                      > > > __________________________________________________________
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > From: Allen R. Dyer
                      >
                      > > > Subject:
                      >
                      > > > friday's retreat .wav recording
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
                      >
                      > > > Cc: Student Member & Board
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > dear kathy,
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
                      >
                      > > too
                      >
                      > > > big to send as an email
                      >
                      > > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
                      >
                      > > monday
                      >
                      > > > or tuesday.
                      >
                      > > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
                      >
                      > > copy
                      >
                      > > > can click on the
                      >
                      > > > following link and then save the .wav file
                      >
                      > > (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
                      >
                      > > > to their computer.
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > allen
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > ******************************************
                      >
                      > > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
                      >
                      > > > Howard County Board of Education
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > ------------------------------------
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > This is the Howard Public Education Mailing List. All original messages
                      >
                      > > posted here are placed in the public domain unless the poster states
                      >
                      > > otherwise. Re-published messages (i.e. newspaper articles) retain their
                      >
                      > > original copyright status.Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                    • cynthia vaillancourt
                      Are you saying you only want the answers to your questions if I am the one who made the request?cv To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com From:
                      Message 10 of 19 , Apr 4, 2011
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                        Are you saying you only want the answers to your questions if I am the one who made the request?
                        cv


                        To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                        From: robert.rhodeshc@...
                        Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:59:48 +0000
                        Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording

                         
                        Cindy,

                        Who was the BOE member heard on the tape demanding copies of the resumés (without redactions) of the candidates for the Deputy Superintendent position? Is it now BOE policy that members receive the resumés of all candidates for any vacant leadership position (Principal, Asst. Principal, Coordinator, Manager, Resource Teacher, etc.)? If so, when will the documents be made available (when the Board packet listing the Superintendent's choice for the position is received, after the vote as in the case of the DS...)? What is the rationale for the request of candidate's resumés? Would the content of the resumé influence a member's vote in public session for the Superintendent's choice? Should BOE members be directly involved in the interviews of staff leadership vacancies? Is this a matter of trust in the Superintendent's judgment in hiring? I believe I heard the word "oversight" used in prior discussions on this topic.

                        Are there other BOE members who agree with you on this matter and who have also requested this information? If so, which members exactly?

                        Regardless of whether Board members are entitled to see such documents, this seems a huge departure from prior practice. What motivated this change in prior practice?

                        I hope you can/will answer all of my questions. Now, if the voice on the tape in this case was not you....then never mind.

                        RR

                        --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, cynthia vaillancourt <CynthiaVaillancourt@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > For those who listen to the recording, I was surprised at how similar Ellen and I sound on the recording. I had to listen very hard to the content to figure out whether it was her or me speaking. As a rule of thumb (as has been pointed out here) I don't speak as much as some of the others so chances are it is not me on the tape. Although, you may assume anything really profound is me ;).Cindy V
                        >
                        > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                        > From: colleendolphin@...
                        > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:07:10 +0000
                        > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Thanks Allen- I love learning new things!
                        >
                        > Colleen
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > colleen,
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open
                        >
                        > > meetings act.
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last
                        >
                        > > retreat, i asked whether it had been recorded and the response was "no but
                        >
                        > > any one attending the meeting could have recorded it."
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble
                        >
                        > > getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee meeting.
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > allen
                        >
                        > > ______________________________
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the
                        >
                        > > general public is entitled to attend.
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > (b) Rules. -- A public body shall adopt and enforce reasonable rules
                        >
                        > > regarding the conduct of persons attending its meetings and the videotaping,
                        >
                        > > televising, photographing, broadcasting, or recording of its meetings.
                        >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >
                        > > From: colleendolphin
                        >
                        > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                        >
                        > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
                        >
                        > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
                        >
                        > > recording
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > Allen,
                        >
                        > > Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark,
                        >
                        > > Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped?
                        >
                        > > Colleen
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
                        >
                        > > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
                        >
                        > > there
                        >
                        > > > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i did
                        >
                        > > use
                        >
                        > > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a
                        >
                        > > record. i
                        >
                        > > > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is
                        >
                        > > a
                        >
                        > > > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download
                        >
                        > > the
                        >
                        > > > retreat recording.
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland
                        >
                        > > association
                        >
                        > > > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at
                        >
                        > > the
                        >
                        > > > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table
                        >
                        > > in
                        >
                        > > > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
                        >
                        > > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will
                        >
                        > > get
                        >
                        > > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > allen dyer
                        >
                        > > > __________________________________________________________
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > From: Allen R. Dyer
                        >
                        > > > Subject:
                        >
                        > > > friday's retreat .wav recording
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
                        >
                        > > > Cc: Student Member & Board
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > dear kathy,
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
                        >
                        > > too
                        >
                        > > > big to send as an email
                        >
                        > > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
                        >
                        > > monday
                        >
                        > > > or tuesday.
                        >
                        > > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
                        >
                        > > copy
                        >
                        > > > can click on the
                        >
                        > > > following link and then save the .wav file
                        >
                        > > (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
                        >
                        > > > to their computer.
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > allen
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > ******************************************
                        >
                        > > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
                        >
                        > > > Howard County Board of Education
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > ------------------------------------
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > This is the Howard Public Education Mailing List. All original messages
                        >
                        > > posted here are placed in the public domain unless the poster states
                        >
                        > > otherwise. Re-published messages (i.e. newspaper articles) retain their
                        >
                        > > original copyright status.Yahoo! Groups Links
                        >
                        > >
                        >


                      • robert.rhodeshc
                        Allen, Would you answer Colleen s question about prior knowledge? Were all in attendance at Friday s meeting (Board members, lawyers, MABE person, Mrs. Hanks)
                        Message 11 of 19 , Apr 4, 2011
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                          Allen,

                          Would you answer Colleen's question about prior knowledge? Were all in attendance at Friday's meeting (Board members, lawyers, MABE person, Mrs. Hanks) made aware by you of your intent to record and distribute the audio file from this meeting?

                          Thank you.

                          RR

                          --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > one of the issues discussed and voted on at the retreat was the availability
                          > of closed meeting minutes to board members. prior to the retreat, ms. hanks
                          > contacted other county boards of education to survey how each dealt with the
                          > issue of access to closed meeting minutes. the attached spreadsheet
                          > printout, which is a compilation of the results of ms. hanks efforts, was
                          > distributed at the retreat.
                          >
                          > allen dyer
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
                          > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
                          > there
                          > > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i did
                          > use
                          > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a record.
                          > i
                          > > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is a
                          > > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
                          > >
                          > > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download
                          > the
                          > > retreat recording.
                          > >
                          > > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland association
                          > > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at
                          > the
                          > > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table in
                          > > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
                          > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will
                          > get
                          > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
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                          > > allen dyer
                          > > ________________________________________________________________________
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                          > > From: Allen R. Dyer
                          > > Subject:
                          > > friday's retreat .wav recording
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                          > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
                          > > Cc: Student Member & Board
                          > >
                          > > dear kathy,
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                          > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
                          > too
                          > > big to send as an email
                          > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
                          > monday
                          > > or tuesday.
                          > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
                          > copy
                          > > can click on the
                          > > following link and then save the .wav file
                          > (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
                          > > to their computer.
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                          > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
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                          > > allen
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                          > > ******************************************
                          > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
                          > > Howard County Board of Education
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                            --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, cynthia vaillancourt <CynthiaVaillancourt@...> wrote:
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                            > Are you saying you only want the answers to your questions if I am the one who made the request?cv
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                            > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                            > From: robert.rhodeshc@...
                            > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:59:48 +0000
                            > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording
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                            > Who was the BOE member heard on the tape demanding copies of the resumés (without redactions) of the candidates for the Deputy Superintendent position? Is it now BOE policy that members receive the resumés of all candidates for any vacant leadership position (Principal, Asst. Principal, Coordinator, Manager, Resource Teacher, etc.)? If so, when will the documents be made available (when the Board packet listing the Superintendent's choice for the position is received, after the vote as in the case of the DS...)? What is the rationale for the request of candidate's resumés? Would the content of the resumé influence a member's vote in public session for the Superintendent's choice? Should BOE members be directly involved in the interviews of staff leadership vacancies? Is this a matter of trust in the Superintendent's judgment in hiring? I believe I heard the word "oversight" used in prior discussions on this topic.
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                            > Are there other BOE members who agree with you on this matter and who have also requested this information? If so, which members exactly?
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                            > Regardless of whether Board members are entitled to see such documents, this seems a huge departure from prior practice. What motivated this change in prior practice?
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                            > I hope you can/will answer all of my questions. Now, if the voice on the tape in this case was not you....then never mind.
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                            > RR
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                            > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, cynthia vaillancourt <CynthiaVaillancourt@> wrote:
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                            > > For those who listen to the recording, I was surprised at how similar Ellen and I sound on the recording. I had to listen very hard to the content to figure out whether it was her or me speaking. As a rule of thumb (as has been pointed out here) I don't speak as much as some of the others so chances are it is not me on the tape. Although, you may assume anything really profound is me ;).Cindy V
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                            > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
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                            > > From: colleendolphin@
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                            > > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:07:10 +0000
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                            > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording
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                            > > Thanks Allen- I love learning new things!
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                            > > Colleen
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                            > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
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                            > > > colleen,
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                            > > > recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open
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                            > > > regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last
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                            > > > i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble
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                            > > > getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee meeting.
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                            > > > allen
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                            > > > ______________________________
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                            > > > Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
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                            > > > (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the
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                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
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                            > > > From: colleendolphin
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                            > > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
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                            > > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
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                            > > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
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                            > > > Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark,
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                            > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
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                            > > > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
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                            > > > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
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                            > > > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a
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                            > > > > allen dyer
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                            > > > > __________________________________________________________
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                            > > > > From: Allen R. Dyer
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                            > > > > Subject:
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                            > > > > friday's retreat .wav recording
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                            > > > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
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                            > > > > Cc: Student Member & Board
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                            > > > > dear kathy,
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                            > > > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
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                            > > > > allen
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                            > > > > ******************************************
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                            > > > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
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                            > > > This is the Howard Public Education Mailing List. All original messages
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                          • cynthia vaillancourt
                            ? Now, if the voice on the tape in this case was not you....then never mind. RR To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com From: robert.rhodeshc@yahoo.com Date:
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                              Now, if the voice on the tape in this case was not you....then never mind.



                              > RR

                              To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                              From: robert.rhodeshc@...
                              Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:03:01 +0000
                              Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording

                               
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                              --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, cynthia vaillancourt <CynthiaVaillancourt@...> wrote:
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                              > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                              > From: robert.rhodeshc@...
                              > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:59:48 +0000
                              > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording
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                              > > For those who listen to the recording, I was surprised at how similar Ellen and I sound on the recording. I had to listen very hard to the content to figure out whether it was her or me speaking. As a rule of thumb (as has been pointed out here) I don't speak as much as some of the others so chances are it is not me on the tape. Although, you may assume anything really profound is me ;).Cindy V
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                              > > From: colleendolphin@
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                              > > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:07:10 +0000
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                              > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
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                              > > > recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open
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                              > > > meetings act.
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                              > > > regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last
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                              > > > i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble
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                              > > > getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee meeting.
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                              > > > allen
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                              > > > ______________________________
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                              > > > Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
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                              > > > (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the
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                              > > > (b) Rules. -- A public body shall adopt and enforce reasonable rules
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                              > > > regarding the conduct of persons attending its meetings and the videotaping,
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                              > > > televising, photographing, broadcasting, or recording of its meetings.
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                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
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                              > > > From: colleendolphin
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                              > > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
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                              > > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
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                              > > > Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark,
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                              > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
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                              > > > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
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                              > > > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
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                              > > > there
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                              > > > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a
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                              > > > > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download
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                              > > > > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland
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                              > > > > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at
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                              > > > > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table
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                              > > > in
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                              > > > > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
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                              > > > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will
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                              > > > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
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                              > > > > allen dyer
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                              > > > > __________________________________________________________
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                              > > > > From: Allen R. Dyer
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                              > > > > Subject:
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                              > > > > friday's retreat .wav recording
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                              > > > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
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                              > > > > Cc: Student Member & Board
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                              > > > > dear kathy,
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                              > > > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
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                              > > > > big to send as an email
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                              > > > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
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                              > > > monday
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                              > > > > or tuesday.
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                              > > > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
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                              > > > > can click on the
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                              > > > > following link and then save the .wav file
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                              > > > > to their computer.
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                              > > > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
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                              > > > > allen
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                              > > > > ******************************************
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                              > > > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
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                              > > > > Howard County Board of Education
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                              > > > This is the Howard Public Education Mailing List. All original messages
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                              I am not at all sure what you are saying? However, I can assure you that I am quite serious in my request for answers to the questions asked. It was clear on
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                                I am not at all sure what you are saying? However, I can assure you that I am quite serious in my request for answers to the questions asked. It was clear on the tape that a woman was dominating this topic of conversation. So, if that woman was not you, then I know to whom I must go to get answers, hence the nevermind.

                                If it was you, I would appreciate you taking this seriously, provide responses to my questions, and continue without the glibness and game-playing.

                                --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, cynthia vaillancourt <CynthiaVaillancourt@...> wrote:
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                                > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording
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                                > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording
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                                > > > For those who listen to the recording, I was surprised at how similar Ellen and I sound on the recording. I had to listen very hard to the content to figure out whether it was her or me speaking. As a rule of thumb (as has been pointed out here) I don't speak as much as some of the others so chances are it is not me on the tape. Although, you may assume anything really profound is me ;).Cindy V
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                              • colleendolphin
                                Robert, I am sure Ms. Vaillancourt can stand on her own but I would like to take a stab at this. I appreciate that some Board members want more oversight on
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                                  Robert,
                                  I am sure Ms. Vaillancourt can stand on her own but I would like to take a stab at this.
                                  I appreciate that some Board members want more "oversight" on appointed positions. Did you know that the year (FY10)employees were furloughed to save $112,000, Cabinet hired someone from their family to fill a resource position (that was never approved) at a cost of a little over $87,000? Did you know that there were several "qualified" candidates for Deputy (that didn't vacation with the Superintendent)? I am not saying that anything "unethical" was done with the filling of these positions but I am saying, it would be nice for some oversight so they could be completely beyond reproach.
                                  Why does is matter if one Board member wants the information or all of them want it? Does is make it more (or less) meaningful depending on who (or how many) make the request?

                                  Colleen

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                                  > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording
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                                  > > Are you saying you only want the answers to your questions if I am the one who made the request?cv

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                                  > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording

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                                  > > Cindy,
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                                  > > Who was the BOE member heard on the tape demanding copies of the resumés (without redactions) of the candidates for the Deputy Superintendent position? Is it now BOE policy that members receive the resumés of all candidates for any vacant leadership position (Principal, Asst. Principal, Coordinator, Manager, Resource Teacher, etc.)? If so, when will the documents be made available (when the Board packet listing the Superintendent's choice for the position is received, after the vote as in the case of the DS...)? What is the rationale for the request of candidate's resumés? Would the content of the resumé influence a member's vote in public session for the Superintendent's choice? Should BOE members be directly involved in the interviews of staff leadership vacancies? Is this a matter of trust in the Superintendent's judgment in hiring? I believe I heard the word "oversight" used in prior discussions on this topic.
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                                  > > Regardless of whether Board members are entitled to see such documents, this seems a huge departure from prior practice. What motivated this change in prior practice?
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                                  > > > > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will
                                  >
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                                  > > > > get
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                                  > > > > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
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                                  > > > > > allen dyer
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                                  > > > > > __________________________________________________________
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                                  > > > > > From: Allen R. Dyer
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                                  > > > > > Subject:
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                                  > > > > > friday's retreat .wav recording
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                                  > > > > >
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                                  > > > > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
                                  >
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                                  > > >
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                                  > > > > > Cc: Student Member & Board
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                                  > > > > >
                                  >
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                                  >
                                  > > > > > dear kathy,
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                                  > > > > >
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                                  > > > > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
                                  >
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                                  > > > > too
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                                  > > > > > big to send as an email
                                  >
                                  > >
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                                  > > >
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > > > > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > > >
                                  >
                                  > >
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                                  > > > > monday
                                  >
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                                  > > > > > or tuesday.
                                  >
                                  > >
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                                  > > >
                                  >
                                  > >
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                                  > > > > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > > >
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > > > > copy
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > > >
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > > > > > can click on the
                                  >
                                  > >
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                                  > > >
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > > > > > following link and then save the .wav file
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > > >
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > > > > (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
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                                  > > >
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                                  > > > > > to their computer.
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                                  > > > > >
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                                  > > > > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
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                                  > > > > >
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                                  > > > > > allen
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                                  > > > > >
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                                  > > > > > ******************************************
                                  >
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                                  > > > > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
                                  >
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                                  > > > > > Howard County Board of Education
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                                  > > > > This is the Howard Public Education Mailing List. All original messages
                                  >
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                                  > > > > posted here are placed in the public domain unless the poster states
                                  >
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                                • The Sola's
                                  Robert, Seriously, I would want all data on all candidates for the position. It cannot be the Administrator role to send some packets through and retain or
                                  Message 16 of 19 , Apr 4, 2011
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                                    Robert,

                                     

                                    Seriously,  I would want all data on all candidates for the position. It cannot be the Administrator  role to send some packets through and retain or modify  others. If Board members want to sift through the applicants it is their right since  they will make the final decision.

                                     

                                    Peter Sola

                                     

                                    From: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com [mailto:howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of robert.rhodeshc
                                    Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:00 PM
                                    To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording

                                     

                                     

                                    Cindy,

                                    Who was the BOE member heard on the tape demanding copies of the resumés (without redactions) of the candidates for the Deputy Superintendent position? Is it now BOE policy that members receive the resumés of all candidates for any vacant leadership position (Principal, Asst. Principal, Coordinator, Manager, Resource Teacher, etc.)? If so, when will the documents be made available (when the Board packet listing the Superintendent's choice for the position is received, after the vote as in the case of the DS...)? What is the rationale for the request of candidate's resumés? Would the content of the resumé influence a member's vote in public session for the Superintendent's choice? Should BOE members be directly involved in the interviews of staff leadership vacancies? Is this a matter of trust in the Superintendent's judgment in hiring? I believe I heard the word "oversight" used in prior discussions on this topic.

                                    Are there other BOE members who agree with you on this matter and who have also requested this information? If so, which members exactly?

                                    Regardless of whether Board members are entitled to see such documents, this seems a huge departure from prior practice. What motivated this change in prior practice?

                                    I hope you can/will answer all of my questions. Now, if the voice on the tape in this case was not you....then never mind.

                                    RR

                                    --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, cynthia vaillancourt <CynthiaVaillancourt@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > For those who listen to the recording, I was surprised at how similar Ellen and I sound on the recording. I had to listen very hard to the content to figure out whether it was her or me speaking. As a rule of thumb (as has been pointed out here) I don't speak as much as some of the others so chances are it is not me on the tape. Although, you may assume anything really profound is me ;).Cindy V
                                    >
                                    > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                    > From: colleendolphin@...
                                    > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:07:10 +0000
                                    > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat recording
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
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                                    >
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                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Thanks Allen- I love learning new things!
                                    >
                                    > Colleen
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > colleen,
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the open
                                    >
                                    > > meetings act.
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last
                                    >
                                    > > retreat, i asked whether it had been recorded and the response was "no but
                                    >
                                    > > any one attending the meeting could have recorded it."
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble
                                    >
                                    > > getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee meeting.
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > allen
                                    >
                                    > > ______________________________
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the
                                    >
                                    > > general public is entitled to attend.
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > (b) Rules. -- A public body shall adopt and enforce reasonable rules
                                    >
                                    > > regarding the conduct of persons attending its meetings and the videotaping,
                                    >
                                    > > televising, photographing, broadcasting, or recording of its meetings.
                                    >
                                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    >
                                    > > From: colleendolphin
                                    >
                                    > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                    >
                                    > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
                                    >
                                    > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
                                    >
                                    > > recording
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > Allen,
                                    >
                                    > > Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark,
                                    >
                                    > > Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped?
                                    >
                                    > > Colleen
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner ridge
                                    >
                                    > > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
                                    >
                                    > > there
                                    >
                                    > > > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i did
                                    >
                                    > > use
                                    >
                                    > > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a
                                    >
                                    > > record. i
                                    >
                                    > > > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording is
                                    >
                                    > > a
                                    >
                                    > > > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and download
                                    >
                                    > > the
                                    >
                                    > > > retreat recording.
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland
                                    >
                                    > > association
                                    >
                                    > > > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at
                                    >
                                    > > the
                                    >
                                    > > > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table
                                    >
                                    > > in
                                    >
                                    > > > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
                                    >
                                    > > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested will
                                    >
                                    > > get
                                    >
                                    > > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > allen dyer
                                    >
                                    > > > __________________________________________________________
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > From: Allen R. Dyer
                                    >
                                    > > > Subject:
                                    >
                                    > > > friday's retreat .wav recording
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
                                    >
                                    > > > Cc: Student Member & Board
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > dear kathy,
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which is
                                    >
                                    > > too
                                    >
                                    > > > big to send as an email
                                    >
                                    > > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
                                    >
                                    > > monday
                                    >
                                    > > > or tuesday.
                                    >
                                    > > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
                                    >
                                    > > copy
                                    >
                                    > > > can click on the
                                    >
                                    > > > following link and then save the .wav file
                                    >
                                    > > (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
                                    >
                                    > > > to their computer.
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > allen
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > ******************************************
                                    >
                                    > > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
                                    >
                                    > > > Howard County Board of Education
                                    >
                                    > > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > ------------------------------------
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > This is the Howard Public Education Mailing List. All original messages
                                    >
                                    > > posted here are placed in the public domain unless the poster states
                                    >
                                    > > otherwise. Re-published messages (i.e. newspaper articles) retain their
                                    >
                                    > > original copyright status.Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >

                                  • robert.rhodeshc
                                    Peter, I completely agree. What did I either write or imply in my post for Mrs. Vaillancourt that would lead you to come at me with the tone to wording of
                                    Message 17 of 19 , Apr 5, 2011
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                                      Peter,

                                      I completely agree. What did I either write or imply in my post for Mrs. Vaillancourt that would lead you to come at me with the tone to wording of your post?

                                      I find this topic very interesting as it has been past practice of the HCPSS to publicly rubber stamp any and all appointments to positions of leadership, from Deputy Superintendent to Chiefs, to Principal/Assistant Principal, to Directors, to Coordinators, Facilitators, Specialists, and Resource Teachers. In open meeting, the Superintendent or his designee read out a name or list of names for promotions/appointments to positions of leadership within any of the four divisions, and a vote is taken to approve the promotions/ appointments of al names put forward. I have always assumed that Board Members received this list some days/weeks ahead of the public meeting and that if they had any questions/concerns about one or more candidates, these were taken to the Superintendent in private. In fact, as I've either read transcripts/minutes of all BOE meetings or, more recently, watched all meeting on HCPSS TV, I cannot recall even one instance when the Board failed to approve a candidate. Only recently, has a Board member interrupted "the dance" to ask questions about and/or speak directly to candidates in the room at the time of their public appointment. In at least two recent cases, Board members voted against the appointments I believe citing lack of sufficient information to make an informed decision.

                                      I am not sure what else I can say or do to convince you to sheath the sword as I continue to ask Mrs. Vaillancourt and/or others questions about this process.

                                      RR

                                      --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "The Sola's" <pmbsola@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Robert,
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Seriously, I would want all data on all candidates for the position. It
                                      > cannot be the Administrator role to send some packets through and retain or
                                      > modify others. If Board members want to sift through the applicants it is
                                      > their right since they will make the final decision.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Peter Sola
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > From: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com [mailto:howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com]
                                      > On Behalf Of robert.rhodeshc
                                      > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:00 PM
                                      > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
                                      > recording
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Cindy,
                                      >
                                      > Who was the BOE member heard on the tape demanding copies of the resumés
                                      > (without redactions) of the candidates for the Deputy Superintendent
                                      > position? Is it now BOE policy that members receive the resumés of all
                                      > candidates for any vacant leadership position (Principal, Asst. Principal,
                                      > Coordinator, Manager, Resource Teacher, etc.)? If so, when will the
                                      > documents be made available (when the Board packet listing the
                                      > Superintendent's choice for the position is received, after the vote as in
                                      > the case of the DS...)? What is the rationale for the request of candidate's
                                      > resumés? Would the content of the resumé influence a member's vote in public
                                      > session for the Superintendent's choice? Should BOE members be directly
                                      > involved in the interviews of staff leadership vacancies? Is this a matter
                                      > of trust in the Superintendent's judgment in hiring? I believe I heard the
                                      > word "oversight" used in prior discussions on this topic.
                                      >
                                      > Are there other BOE members who agree with you on this matter and who have
                                      > also requested this information? If so, which members exactly?
                                      >
                                      > Regardless of whether Board members are entitled to see such documents, this
                                      > seems a huge departure from prior practice. What motivated this change in
                                      > prior practice?
                                      >
                                      > I hope you can/will answer all of my questions. Now, if the voice on the
                                      > tape in this case was not you....then never mind.
                                      >
                                      > RR
                                      >
                                      > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , cynthia vaillancourt
                                      > <CynthiaVaillancourt@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > For those who listen to the recording, I was surprised at how similar
                                      > Ellen and I sound on the recording. I had to listen very hard to the content
                                      > to figure out whether it was her or me speaking. As a rule of thumb (as has
                                      > been pointed out here) I don't speak as much as some of the others so
                                      > chances are it is not me on the tape. Although, you may assume anything
                                      > really profound is me ;).Cindy V
                                      > >
                                      > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > From: colleendolphin@
                                      > > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:07:10 +0000
                                      > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
                                      > recording
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
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                                      > >
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                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Thanks Allen- I love learning new things!
                                      > >
                                      > > Colleen
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > colleen,
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > recording of any board open meeting is authorized by § 10-507 of the
                                      > open
                                      > >
                                      > > > meetings act.
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > regular board open meetings are recorded by staff but, after the last
                                      > >
                                      > > > retreat, i asked whether it had been recorded and the response was "no
                                      > but
                                      > >
                                      > > > any one attending the meeting could have recorded it."
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > i also audio record audit committee meetings altho i did have trouble
                                      > >
                                      > > > getting my digital recorder to operate for the last audit committee
                                      > meeting.
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > allen
                                      > >
                                      > > > ______________________________
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > Md. STATE GOVERNMENT Code Ann. § 10-507. Attendance at open session
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > (a) In general. -- Whenever a public body meets in open session, the
                                      > >
                                      > > > general public is entitled to attend.
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > (b) Rules. -- A public body shall adopt and enforce reasonable rules
                                      > >
                                      > > > regarding the conduct of persons attending its meetings and the
                                      > videotaping,
                                      > >
                                      > > > televising, photographing, broadcasting, or recording of its meetings.
                                      > >
                                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > >
                                      > > > From: colleendolphin
                                      > >
                                      > > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > >
                                      > > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:16 PM
                                      > >
                                      > > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: for the flies on the wall...boe retreat
                                      > >
                                      > > > recording
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > Allen,
                                      > >
                                      > > > Although I appreciate you posting this audio, did the Board, Judy, Mark,
                                      > >
                                      > > > Kathy and Kitty all give permission to be taped?
                                      > >
                                      > > > Colleen
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "Allen Dyer" <aldyer@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > yesterday was the board's retreat in the potomac room at faulkner
                                      > ridge
                                      > >
                                      > > > > center at 1:00 pm. given the time of day, it was understandable that
                                      > >
                                      > > > there
                                      > >
                                      > > > > wasn't any public attendance. but, in case there is any interest, i
                                      > did
                                      > >
                                      > > > use
                                      > >
                                      > > > > an inexpensive olympus vn-4100pc digital voice recorder to make a
                                      > >
                                      > > > record. i
                                      > >
                                      > > > > didn't use any external microphones, so, the quality of the recording
                                      > is
                                      > >
                                      > > > a
                                      > >
                                      > > > > bit ragged. still...the price was right.
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > see appended and attached for instructions on how to access and
                                      > download
                                      > >
                                      > > > the
                                      > >
                                      > > > > retreat recording.
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > the first voice you hear will be kitty blumsack, from maryland
                                      > >
                                      > > > association
                                      > >
                                      > > > > of board of education. mark blum and judy bresler were also sitting at
                                      > >
                                      > > > the
                                      > >
                                      > > > > table with board members and board staff. the olympus was on the table
                                      > >
                                      > > > in
                                      > >
                                      > > > > front of me so the loudest voice you hear will be mine. as i have
                                      > >
                                      > > > > cautioned, not great audio quality, but, i think anyone interested
                                      > will
                                      > >
                                      > > > get
                                      > >
                                      > > > > a pretty good feel for the discussions that took place.
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > allen dyer
                                      > >
                                      > > > > __________________________________________________________
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > From: Allen R. Dyer
                                      > >
                                      > > > > Subject:
                                      > >
                                      > > > > friday's retreat .wav recording
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > To: Kathleen V. Hanks
                                      > >
                                      > > > > Cc: Student Member & Board
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > dear kathy,
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > the file size of my recording of friday's retreat is 98,335 KB which
                                      > is
                                      > >
                                      > > > too
                                      > >
                                      > > > > big to send as an email
                                      > >
                                      > > > > attachment. instead i will burn a CR-ROM and drop it by the office on
                                      > >
                                      > > > monday
                                      > >
                                      > > > > or tuesday.
                                      > >
                                      > > > > in the interim, i have placed a copy on the web so anyone that wants a
                                      > >
                                      > > > copy
                                      > >
                                      > > > > can click on the
                                      > >
                                      > > > > following link and then save the .wav file
                                      > >
                                      > > > (110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav)
                                      > >
                                      > > > > to their computer.
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > http://www.lawlab.com/retreat/110401_BOE_Retreat_DW_D0007.wav
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > allen
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > ******************************************
                                      > >
                                      > > > > Allen Dyer, Board Member
                                      > >
                                      > > > > Howard County Board of Education
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
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                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
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                                      > >
                                      > > > posted here are placed in the public domain unless the poster states
                                      > >
                                      > > > otherwise. Re-published messages (i.e. newspaper articles) retain their
                                      > >
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                                      > > >
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                                        Robert,

                                         

                                        All of the below.

                                         

                                        Peter

                                        > > > Cindy,

                                        >
                                        > Who was the BOE member heard on the tape demanding copies of the resumés
                                        > (without redactions) of the candidates for the Deputy Superintendent
                                        > position? Is it now BOE policy that members receive the resumés of all
                                        > candidates for any vacant leadership position (Principal, Asst. Principal,
                                        > Coordinator, Manager, Resource Teacher, etc.)? If so, when will the
                                        > documents be made available (when the Board packet listing the
                                        > Superintendent's choice for the position is received, after the vote as in
                                        > the case of the DS...)? What is the rationale for the request of candidate's
                                        > resumés? Would the content of the resumé influence a member's vote in public
                                        > session for the Superintendent's choice? Should BOE members be directly
                                        > involved in the interviews of staff leadership vacancies? Is this a matter
                                        > of trust in the Superintendent's judgment in hiring? I believe I heard the
                                        > word "oversight" used in prior discussions on this topic.
                                        >
                                        > Are there other BOE members who agree with you on this matter and who have
                                        > also requested this information? If so, which members exactly?
                                        >
                                        > Regardless of whether Board members are entitled to see such documents, this
                                        > seems a huge departure from prior practice. What motivated this change in
                                        > prior practice?
                                        >
                                        > I hope you can/will answer all of my questions. Now, if the voice on the
                                        > tape in this case was not you....then never mind.
                                        >
                                        > RR
                                        >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                        > > > ______________________________
                                        > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
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