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  • im4therecord
    Mr. Roey s explanation was detailed and left little to ponder. Are you a structural engineer or a roofing expert? If so, please tell us what more could or
    Message 1 of 22 , Mar 1 4:42 AM
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      Mr. Roey's explanation was detailed and left little to ponder. Are you a structural engineer or a roofing expert? If so, please tell us what more could or should have been done? If not, please provide us with concrete data to back up your assertion that he is trying to hide something or that the school system failed to do their duty in inspected the roofs.

      Even if he's part of a "status quo" team, Mr. Roey's resume and qualifications make his explanation of events much more believable than your random posting of nonsensical conspiracy theories.

      BTW: I read all the post here, most don't require a degree in psychology to figure out that they are rants from a very angry man, or for that matter, require a response. They are to the point and pass along great information. I respond to yours because, how did you put it, for my entertainment.

      Mary


      --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
      >
      > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
      >
      > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
      >
      > Jack
      >
      > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
      > >
      > > You see Jack.
      > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
      > > Also very trustworthy.
      > > -Jeff D.
      > >
      > >
      > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
      > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
      > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
      > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
      > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
      > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
      > > > view it .
      > > >
      > > > Jack
      > > >
      > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
      > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > >> >
      > > >> >
      > > >> >
      > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
      > > >> >
      > > >> >
      > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
      > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
      > > >> schools
      > > >> > To: pamythompson@
      > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
      > > >> >
      > > >> >
      > > >> >
      > > >> >
      > > >> >
      > > >> >
      > > >> >
      > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
      > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
      > > >> >
      > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
      > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
      > > >> Howard County Government.
      > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
      > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
      > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
      > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
      > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
      > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
      > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
      > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
      > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
      > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
      > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
      > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
      > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
      > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
      > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
      > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
      > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
      > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
      > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
      > > >> checking.
      > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
      > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
      > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
      > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
      > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
      > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
      > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
      > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
      > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
      > > >> >
      > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
      > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
      > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
      > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
      > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
      > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
      > > >> >
      > > >> >                                                        Ken
      > > >> >
      > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
      > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
      > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
      > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
      > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
      > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
      > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
      > > >> >
      > > >> > Ken Roey
      > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
      > > >> > Howard County Public School System
      > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
      > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
      > > >> >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
    • im4therecord
      Please don t. If you can t help yourself, please spend more time thinking through what you want to say and less time just typing anything that comes to your
      Message 2 of 22 , Mar 1 11:06 AM
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        Please don't. If you can't help yourself, please spend more time thinking through what you want to say and less time just typing anything that comes to your mind.

        Mary

        --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
        >
        > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
        >
        > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
        >
        > Jack
        >
        > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
        > >
        > > You see Jack.
        > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
        > > Also very trustworthy.
        > > -Jeff D.
        > >
        > >
        > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
        > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
        > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
        > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
        > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
        > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
        > > > view it .
        > > >
        > > > Jack
        > > >
        > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
        > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
        > > > wrote:
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
        > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
        > > >> schools
        > > >> > To: pamythompson@
        > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
        > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
        > > >> >
        > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
        > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
        > > >> Howard County Government.
        > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
        > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
        > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
        > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
        > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
        > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
        > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
        > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
        > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
        > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
        > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
        > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
        > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
        > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
        > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
        > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
        > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
        > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
        > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
        > > >> checking.
        > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
        > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
        > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
        > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
        > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
        > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
        > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
        > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
        > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
        > > >> >
        > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
        > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
        > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
        > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
        > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
        > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
        > > >> >
        > > >> >                                                        Ken
        > > >> >
        > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
        > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
        > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
        > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
        > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
        > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
        > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Ken Roey
        > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
        > > >> > Howard County Public School System
        > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
        > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
        > > >> >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >
      • pamythompson
        In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs . They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the exception
        Message 3 of 22 , Mar 2 9:39 PM
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          In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
          They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
          exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
          less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
          estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
          a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
          for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
          note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
          ft. The problem here is
          > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
          accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
          not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
          concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
          there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net as
          expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
          weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
          drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
          roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
          seven foot .
          >
          > Jack

          --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
          >
          > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
          >
          > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
          >
          > Jack
          >
          > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
          > >
          > > You see Jack.
          > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
          > > Also very trustworthy.
          > > -Jeff D.
          > >
          > >
          > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
          > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
          > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
          > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
          > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
          > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
          > > > view it .
          > > >
          > > > Jack
          > > >
          > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
          > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
          > > > wrote:
          > > >> >
          > > >> >
          > > >> >
          > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
          > > >> >
          > > >> >
          > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
          > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
          > > >> schools
          > > >> > To: pamythompson@
          > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
          > > >> >
          > > >> >
          > > >> >
          > > >> >
          > > >> >
          > > >> >
          > > >> >
          > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
          > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
          > > >> >
          > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
          > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
          > > >> Howard County Government.
          > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
          > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
          > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
          > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
          > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
          > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
          > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
          > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
          > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
          > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
          > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
          > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
          > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
          > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
          > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
          > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
          > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
          > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
          > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
          > > >> checking.
          > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
          > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
          > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
          > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
          > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
          > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
          > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
          > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
          > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
          > > >> >
          > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
          > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
          > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
          > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
          > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
          > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
          > > >> >
          > > >> >                                                        Ken
          > > >> >
          > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
          > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
          > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
          > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
          > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
          > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
          > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
          > > >> >
          > > >> > Ken Roey
          > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
          > > >> > Howard County Public School System
          > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
          > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
          > > >> >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > >
          >
        • pamythompson
          Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing .. To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans , perform structural
          Message 4 of 22 , Mar 2 9:43 PM
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            Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..

            "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans ,
            perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially time
            consuming task "

            Jack

            --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
            >
            > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
            > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
            > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
            > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
            > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
            > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
            > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
            > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
            > ft. The problem here is
            > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
            > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
            > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
            > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
            > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net as
            > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
            > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
            > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
            > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
            > seven foot .
            > >
            > > Jack
            >
            > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
            > >
            > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
            > >
            > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
            > >
            > > Jack
            > >
            > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > You see Jack.
            > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
            > > > Also very trustworthy.
            > > > -Jeff D.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
            > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
            > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
            > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
            > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
            > > > > view it .
            > > > >
            > > > > Jack
            > > > >
            > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
            > > > > wrote:
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
            > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
            > > > >> schools
            > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
            > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
            > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
            > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
            > > > >> Howard County Government.
            > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
            > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
            > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
            > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
            > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
            > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
            > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
            > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
            > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
            > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
            > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
            > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
            > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
            > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
            > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
            > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
            > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
            > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
            > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
            > > > >> checking.
            > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
            > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
            > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
            > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
            > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
            > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
            > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
            > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
            > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
            > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
            > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
            > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
            > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
            > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> >                                                        Ken
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
            > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
            > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
            > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
            > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
            > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
            > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
            > > > >> >
            > > > >> > Ken Roey
            > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
            > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
            > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
            > > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
            > > > >> >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > >
            > >
            >
          • pamythompson
            The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that it exceeds the
            Message 5 of 22 , Mar 2 10:12 PM
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              The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis of each school would be time consuming .

              Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of Howard county at unnecessary risk .

              Jack

              --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
              >
              > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
              >
              > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans ,
              > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially time
              > consuming task "
              >
              > Jack
              >
              > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
              > >
              > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
              > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
              > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
              > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
              > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
              > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
              > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
              > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
              > > ft. The problem here is
              > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
              > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
              > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
              > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
              > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net as
              > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
              > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
              > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
              > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
              > > seven foot .
              > > >
              > > > Jack
              > >
              > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
              > > >
              > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
              > > >
              > > > Jack
              > > >
              > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > You see Jack.
              > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
              > > > > Also very trustworthy.
              > > > > -Jeff D.
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
              > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
              > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
              > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
              > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
              > > > > > view it .
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Jack
              > > > > >
              > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
              > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
              > > > > > wrote:
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
              > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
              > > > > >> schools
              > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
              > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
              > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
              > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
              > > > > >> Howard County Government.
              > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
              > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
              > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
              > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
              > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
              > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
              > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
              > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
              > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
              > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
              > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
              > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
              > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
              > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
              > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
              > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
              > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
              > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
              > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
              > > > > >> checking.
              > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
              > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
              > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
              > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
              > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
              > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
              > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
              > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
              > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
              > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
              > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
              > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
              > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
              > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >                                                        Ken
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
              > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
              > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
              > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
              > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
              > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
              > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> > Ken Roey
              > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
              > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
              > > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
              > > > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > >
              > > >
              > >
              >
            • pamythompson
              Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of inspections , licenses and permits . Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20
              Message 6 of 22 , Mar 3 8:28 PM
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                Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of inspections , licenses and permits .

                Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the building "

                Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on with warnings and recommendations .

                Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered . This Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts the live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.

                We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10 will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's warning of concern .

                Jack

                --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
                >
                > The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis of each school would be time consuming .
                >
                > Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                >
                > Jack
                >
                > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                > >
                > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans ,
                > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially time
                > > consuming task "
                > >
                > > Jack
                > >
                > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
                > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
                > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
                > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
                > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
                > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
                > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
                > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
                > > > ft. The problem here is
                > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
                > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
                > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
                > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
                > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net as
                > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
                > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
                > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
                > > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
                > > > seven foot .
                > > > >
                > > > > Jack
                > > >
                > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
                > > > >
                > > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
                > > > >
                > > > > Jack
                > > > >
                > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > You see Jack.
                > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                > > > > > -Jeff D.
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
                > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
                > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
                > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
                > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
                > > > > > > view it .
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Jack
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
                > > > > > > wrote:
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
                > > > > > >> schools
                > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
                > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
                > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
                > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
                > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
                > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
                > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
                > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
                > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
                > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
                > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
                > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
                > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
                > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
                > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
                > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
                > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
                > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
                > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
                > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
                > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
                > > > > > >> checking.
                > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
                > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
                > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
                > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
                > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
                > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
                > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
                > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
                > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
                > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
                > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
                > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
                > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> >                                                        Ken
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
                > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
                > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
                > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
                > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
                > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
                > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
                > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
                > > > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
                > > > > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
                > > > > > >> >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • cynthia vaillancourt
                I am going to be really peeved if the school s roofs are not able to withstand the asteroids that I am convinced will be coming soon. By golly, the HCPSS
                Message 7 of 22 , Mar 3 9:11 PM
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                  I am going to be really peeved if the school's roofs are not able to withstand the asteroids that I am convinced will be coming soon.  By golly, the HCPSS better have a contingency plan in place for asteroids!

                  cv



                  To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                  From: pamythompson@...
                  Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 04:28:40 +0000
                  Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public schools

                   
                  Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of inspections , licenses and permits .

                  Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the building "

                  Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on with warnings and recommendations .

                  Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered . This Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts the live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.

                  We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10 will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's warning of concern .

                  Jack

                  --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@ ...> wrote:
                  >
                  > The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis of each school would be time consuming .
                  >
                  > Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                  >
                  > Jack
                  >
                  > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@ > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                  > >
                  > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans ,
                  > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially time
                  > > consuming task "
                  > >
                  > > Jack
                  > >
                  > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@ > wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
                  > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
                  > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
                  > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
                  > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
                  > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
                  > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
                  > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
                  > > > ft. The problem here is
                  > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
                  > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
                  > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
                  > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
                  > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net as
                  > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
                  > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
                  > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
                  > > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
                  > > > seven foot .
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Jack
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@ > wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Jack
                  > > > >
                  > > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@ > wrote:
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > You see Jack.
                  > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                  > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                  > > > > > -Jeff D.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@ > wrote:
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
                  > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
                  > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
                  > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
                  > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
                  > > > > > > view it .
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Jack
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com
                  > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubli ced%40yahoogroup s.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@ >
                  > > > > > > wrote:
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                  > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
                  > > > > > >> schools
                  > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                  > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
                  > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
                  > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
                  > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                  > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
                  > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
                  > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
                  > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
                  > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
                  > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
                  > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
                  > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
                  > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
                  > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
                  > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
                  > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
                  > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
                  > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
                  > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
                  > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                  > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
                  > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
                  > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
                  > > > > > >> checking.
                  > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
                  > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
                  > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
                  > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
                  > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
                  > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                  > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
                  > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
                  > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
                  > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
                  > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
                  > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
                  > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
                  > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> >                                                        Ken
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
                  > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
                  > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
                  > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
                  > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
                  > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
                  > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                  > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
                  > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
                  > > > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
                  > > > > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
                  > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  >




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                • Jeffrey Dewberry
                  No Cindy, I¹m really worried about the 2012 will the roofs withstand? -Jeff On 3/4/10 12:11 AM, cynthia vaillancourt ... , ...
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                    Re: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public schools No Cindy,
                    I’m really worried about the 2012 will the roofs withstand?
                    -Jeff


                    On 3/4/10 12:11 AM, "cynthia vaillancourt" <CynthiaVaillancourt@...> wrote:


                     
                     
                       

                    I am going to be really peeved if the school's roofs are not able to withstand the asteroids that I am convinced will be coming soon.  By golly, the HCPSS better have a contingency plan in place for asteroids!

                    cv



                    To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                    From: pamythompson@...
                    Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 04:28:40 +0000
                    Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public schools

                     
                     
                     
                       Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of inspections , licenses and permits .

                    Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the building "

                    Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on with warnings and recommendations .

                    Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered . This Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts the live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.

                    We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10 will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's warning of concern .

                    Jack

                    --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >     The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis of each school would be time consuming .
                    >
                    >     Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                    >
                    > Jack
                    >
                    > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                    > >
                    > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans ,
                    > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially time
                    > > consuming task "
                    > >
                    > > Jack
                    > >
                    > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
                    > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
                    > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
                    > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
                    > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
                    > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
                    > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
                    > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
                    > > > ft. The problem here is
                    > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
                    > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
                    > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
                    > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
                    > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net  as
                    > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
                    > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
                    > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
                    > > > roofing industry  encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
                    > > > seven foot .
                    > > > >  
                    > > > > Jack
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > >     In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
                    > > > >
                    > > > >   I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Jack
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > You see Jack.
                    > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                    > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                    > > > > > -Jeff D.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > >  
                    > > > > > >  
                    > > > > > >  
                    > > > > > >    
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >    I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
                    > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
                    > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
                    > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
                    > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
                    > > > > > > view it .
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Jack
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
                    > > > > > > wrote:
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                    > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
                    > > > > > >> schools
                    > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                    > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
                    > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
                    > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
                    > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                    > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
                    > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
                    > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
                    > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
                    > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
                    > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
                    > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
                    > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
                    > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
                    > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
                    > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
                    > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
                    > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
                    > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
                    > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
                    > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                    > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
                    > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
                    > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
                    > > > > > >> checking.
                    > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
                    > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
                    > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
                    > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
                    > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
                    > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                    > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
                    > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
                    > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
                    > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
                    > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
                    > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
                    > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
                    > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> >                                                        Ken
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
                    > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
                    > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
                    > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
                    > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
                    > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
                    > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                    > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
                    > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
                    > > > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
                    > > > > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
                    > > > > > >> >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >  
                    > > > > > >    
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >


                     
                       
                     
                           

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                  • cynthia vaillancourt
                    I don t think we have until 2012. There was an earthquake in taiwan a little while ago. Those roofs better hold up to some serious shaking, too, because we
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                      I don't think we have until 2012.  There was an earthquake in taiwan a little while ago.  Those roofs better hold up to some serious shaking, too, because we are way over due for a good shake.  and there is an asteroid out there with my name on it...
                      cindy v



                      To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                      From: jeffdewber@...
                      Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 00:27:20 -0500
                      Subject: Re: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public schools

                       
                      No Cindy,
                      I’m really worried about the 2012 will the roofs withstand?
                      -Jeff


                      On 3/4/10 12:11 AM, "cynthia vaillancourt" <CynthiaVaillancourt @...> wrote:



                       
                       
                         

                      I am going to be really peeved if the school's roofs are not able to withstand the asteroids that I am convinced will be coming soon.  By golly, the HCPSS better have a contingency plan in place for asteroids!

                      cv



                      To: howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com
                      From: pamythompson@ yahoo.com
                      Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 04:28:40 +0000
                      Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public schools

                       
                       
                       
                         Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of inspections , licenses and permits .

                      Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the building "

                      Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on with warnings and recommendations .

                      Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered . This Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts the live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.

                      We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10 will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's warning of concern .

                      Jack

                      --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@ ...> wrote:
                      >
                      >     The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis of each school would be time consuming .
                      >
                      >     Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                      >
                      > Jack
                      >
                      > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                      > >
                      > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans ,
                      > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially time
                      > > consuming task "
                      > >
                      > > Jack
                      > >
                      > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
                      > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
                      > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
                      > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
                      > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
                      > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
                      > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
                      > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
                      > > > ft. The problem here is
                      > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
                      > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
                      > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
                      > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
                      > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net  as
                      > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
                      > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
                      > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
                      > > > roofing industry  encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
                      > > > seven foot .
                      > > > >  
                      > > > > Jack
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > >     In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
                      > > > >
                      > > > >   I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Jack
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > You see Jack.
                      > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                      > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                      > > > > > -Jeff D.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > >  
                      > > > > > >  
                      > > > > > >  
                      > > > > > >    
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >    I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
                      > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
                      > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
                      > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
                      > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
                      > > > > > > view it .
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Jack
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com
                      > > > > > > <mailto:howardpublic ed%40yahoogroups .com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
                      > > > > > > wrote:
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                      > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
                      > > > > > >> schools
                      > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                      > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
                      > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
                      > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
                      > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                      > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
                      > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
                      > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
                      > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
                      > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
                      > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
                      > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
                      > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
                      > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
                      > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
                      > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
                      > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
                      > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
                      > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
                      > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
                      > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                      > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
                      > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
                      > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
                      > > > > > >> checking.
                      > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
                      > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
                      > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
                      > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
                      > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
                      > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                      > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
                      > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
                      > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
                      > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
                      > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
                      > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
                      > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
                      > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> >                                                        Ken
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
                      > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
                      > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
                      > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
                      > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
                      > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
                      > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                      > > > > > >> >
                      > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                      > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
                      > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
                      > > > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
                      > > > > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
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                    • bobrosebrough21045
                      I m more worried about the ability of Glenelg High to withstand the weight of the black helicopters that will land during the impending invasion by the BOE.
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                        I'm more worried about the ability of Glenelg High to withstand the
                        weight of the black helicopters

                        that will land during the impending invasion by the BOE.


                        --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, cynthia vaillancourt
                        <CynthiaVaillancourt@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > I don't think we have until 2012. There was an earthquake in taiwan a
                        little while ago. Those roofs better hold up to some serious shaking,
                        too, because we are way over due for a good shake. and there is an
                        asteroid out there with my name on it...cindy v
                        >
                        > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                        > From: jeffdewber@...
                        > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 00:27:20 -0500
                        > Subject: Re: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof
                        inspections of Howard County public schools
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                        > No Cindy,
                        >
                        > I'm really worried about the 2012 will the roofs withstand?
                        >
                        > -Jeff
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > On 3/4/10 12:11 AM, "cynthia vaillancourt" CynthiaVaillancourt@...
                        wrote:
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                        > I am going to be really peeved if the school's roofs are not able to
                        withstand the asteroids that I am convinced will be coming soon. By
                        golly, the HCPSS better have a contingency plan in place for asteroids!
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > cv
                        >
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                        >
                        >
                        > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                        >
                        > From: pamythompson@...
                        >
                        > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 04:28:40 +0000
                        >
                        > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof inspections
                        of Howard County public schools
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of
                        inspections , licenses and permits .
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go
                        on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and
                        require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the
                        building "
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and
                        anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on
                        with warnings and recommendations .
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches
                        of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both
                        underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no
                        reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered . This
                        Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm
                        in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts the
                        live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or
                        do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale
                        described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10
                        will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's
                        warning of concern .
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Jack
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" pamythompson@
                        wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their
                        professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in
                        that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds
                        the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis
                        of each school would be time consuming .
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted
                        befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the
                        opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision
                        to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is
                        that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of
                        Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > Jack
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson"
                        <pamythompson@> wrote:
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural
                        plans ,
                        >
                        > > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a
                        potentially time
                        >
                        > > > consuming task "
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > Jack
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson"
                        <pamythompson@> wrote:
                        >
                        > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the
                        area roofs .
                        >
                        > > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft
                        with the
                        >
                        > > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of
                        inches of snow
                        >
                        > > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq
                        ft . They then
                        >
                        > > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to
                        18 inches with
                        >
                        > > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow
                        acumulation of 12 inches
                        >
                        > > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this
                        weight however they
                        >
                        > > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total
                        of 48lbs per sq
                        >
                        > > > > ft. The problem here is
                        >
                        > > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous
                        with
                        >
                        > > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In
                        actuality the load
                        >
                        > > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs
                        which is of
                        >
                        > > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs
                        per sq ft and
                        >
                        > > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no
                        safety net as
                        >
                        > > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues
                        such as the
                        >
                        > > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored
                        in . Snow
                        >
                        > > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware
                        of is that the
                        >
                        > > > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings
                        measuring up to
                        >
                        > > > > seven foot .
                        >
                        > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > Jack
                        >
                        > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson"
                        <pamythompson@> wrote:
                        >
                        > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone
                        has gone over them .
                        >
                        > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to
                        be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in
                        snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There
                        are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot
                        more snow . Read carefully .
                        >
                        > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > Jack
                        >
                        > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry
                        <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                        >
                        > > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > > You see Jack.
                        >
                        > > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                        >
                        > > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                        >
                        > > > > > > -Jeff D.
                        >
                        > > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                        >
                        > > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >
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                        > > > > > > >
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                        >
                        > > > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted
                        anything
                        >
                        > > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school
                        , just to put it in
                        >
                        > > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at
                        Thursday's BOE
                        >
                        > > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the
                        issue and that it is
                        >
                        > > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had
                        the time yet to
                        >
                        > > > > > > > view it .
                        >
                        > > > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > > > Jack
                        >
                        > > > > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                        >
                        > > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson
                        <pamythompson@>
                        >
                        > > > > > > > wrote:
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> >
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                        > > > > > > >> >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard
                        County public
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> schools
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> >
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                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions
                        regarding our roof
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general
                        direction, was
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency
                        in collaboration with
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools.
                        It took several
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy
                        equipment was being
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist
                        first responders.
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my
                        Director of School
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer
                        conducted visual
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by
                        the Howard County
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale
                        Associates (see
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and
                        perimeter
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and
                        components inside the
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building,
                        observing any drifting
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other
                        roof penetrations.
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to
                        three different roofing
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per
                        day, conducting snow
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In
                        addition, Building Service
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially
                        focusing on
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the
                        Department of School
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were
                        ready for opening.
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several
                        areas they were
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> checking.
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two
                        corridors and room #112 on
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students
                        were sent home, while
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer
                        from Gale Associates
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report
                        which stated that the
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the
                        observed snow load. We do
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks
                        at various schools,
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the
                        tremendous amount of
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the
                        last few days.
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk
                        management techniques
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate
                        those actions to
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of
                        our collective
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the
                        reception for
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge
                        their efforts during
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at
                        Central Office.
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > Ken
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my
                        qualifications, I hold a MSME
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have
                        been Deputy
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering
                        Directorate for the
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of
                        Shipbuilding Management
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was
                        responsible for
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7
                        Billion dollar annual
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> >
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                        >
                        > > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and
                        Management
                        >
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                        2012, asteroids, earth quakes, black hawks and evil BOE invaders, we re doomed! Lions and tigers and bears, oh my. We better hit the yellow brick road and
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                          2012, asteroids, earth quakes, black hawks and evil BOE invaders, we're doomed! Lions and tigers and bears, oh my. We better hit the yellow brick road and seek help from the almighty wizard to save us.

                          I don't think we're in Kansas anymore!

                          Mary

                          --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "bobrosebrough21045" <bobrosebrough21045@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > I'm more worried about the ability of Glenelg High to withstand the
                          > weight of the black helicopters
                          >
                          > that will land during the impending invasion by the BOE.
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, cynthia vaillancourt
                          > <CynthiaVaillancourt@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > I don't think we have until 2012. There was an earthquake in taiwan a
                          > little while ago. Those roofs better hold up to some serious shaking,
                          > too, because we are way over due for a good shake. and there is an
                          > asteroid out there with my name on it...cindy v
                          > >
                          > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                          > > From: jeffdewber@
                          > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 00:27:20 -0500
                          > > Subject: Re: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof
                          > inspections of Howard County public schools
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
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                          > > No Cindy,
                          > >
                          > > I'm really worried about the 2012 will the roofs withstand?
                          > >
                          > > -Jeff
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > On 3/4/10 12:11 AM, "cynthia vaillancourt" CynthiaVaillancourt@
                          > wrote:
                          > >
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                          > > I am going to be really peeved if the school's roofs are not able to
                          > withstand the asteroids that I am convinced will be coming soon. By
                          > golly, the HCPSS better have a contingency plan in place for asteroids!
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > cv
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                          > >
                          > > From: pamythompson@
                          > >
                          > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 04:28:40 +0000
                          > >
                          > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof inspections
                          > of Howard County public schools
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of
                          > inspections , licenses and permits .
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go
                          > on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and
                          > require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the
                          > building "
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and
                          > anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on
                          > with warnings and recommendations .
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches
                          > of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both
                          > underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no
                          > reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered . This
                          > Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm
                          > in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts the
                          > live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or
                          > do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale
                          > described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10
                          > will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's
                          > warning of concern .
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Jack
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" pamythompson@
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > > The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their
                          > professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in
                          > that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds
                          > the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis
                          > of each school would be time consuming .
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > > Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted
                          > befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the
                          > opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision
                          > to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is
                          > that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of
                          > Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > > Jack
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson"
                          > <pamythompson@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                          > >
                          > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural
                          > plans ,
                          > >
                          > > > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a
                          > potentially time
                          > >
                          > > > > consuming task "
                          > >
                          > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > Jack
                          > >
                          > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson"
                          > <pamythompson@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the
                          > area roofs .
                          > >
                          > > > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft
                          > with the
                          > >
                          > > > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of
                          > inches of snow
                          > >
                          > > > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq
                          > ft . They then
                          > >
                          > > > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to
                          > 18 inches with
                          > >
                          > > > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow
                          > acumulation of 12 inches
                          > >
                          > > > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this
                          > weight however they
                          > >
                          > > > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total
                          > of 48lbs per sq
                          > >
                          > > > > > ft. The problem here is
                          > >
                          > > > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous
                          > with
                          > >
                          > > > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In
                          > actuality the load
                          > >
                          > > > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs
                          > which is of
                          > >
                          > > > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs
                          > per sq ft and
                          > >
                          > > > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no
                          > safety net as
                          > >
                          > > > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues
                          > such as the
                          > >
                          > > > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored
                          > in . Snow
                          > >
                          > > > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware
                          > of is that the
                          > >
                          > > > > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings
                          > measuring up to
                          > >
                          > > > > > seven foot .
                          > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > Jack
                          > >
                          > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson"
                          > <pamythompson@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone
                          > has gone over them .
                          > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to
                          > be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in
                          > snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There
                          > are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot
                          > more snow . Read carefully .
                          > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > Jack
                          > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry
                          > <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > You see Jack.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > -Jeff D.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted
                          > anything
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school
                          > , just to put it in
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at
                          > Thursday's BOE
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the
                          > issue and that it is
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had
                          > the time yet to
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > > view it .
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > > Jack
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson
                          > <pamythompson@>
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard
                          > County public
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> schools
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions
                          > regarding our roof
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general
                          > direction, was
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency
                          > in collaboration with
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools.
                          > It took several
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy
                          > equipment was being
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist
                          > first responders.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my
                          > Director of School
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer
                          > conducted visual
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by
                          > the Howard County
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale
                          > Associates (see
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and
                          > perimeter
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and
                          > components inside the
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building,
                          > observing any drifting
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other
                          > roof penetrations.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to
                          > three different roofing
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per
                          > day, conducting snow
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In
                          > addition, Building Service
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially
                          > focusing on
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the
                          > Department of School
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were
                          > ready for opening.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several
                          > areas they were
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> checking.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two
                          > corridors and room #112 on
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students
                          > were sent home, while
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer
                          > from Gale Associates
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report
                          > which stated that the
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the
                          > observed snow load. We do
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks
                          > at various schools,
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the
                          > tremendous amount of
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the
                          > last few days.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk
                          > management techniques
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate
                          > those actions to
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of
                          > our collective
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the
                          > reception for
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge
                          > their efforts during
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at
                          > Central Office.
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > Ken
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> >
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my
                          > qualifications, I hold a MSME
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have
                          > been Deputy
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering
                          > Directorate for the
                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of
                          > Shipbuilding Management
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                          > >
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                          > >
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                          > >
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                          > >
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                          > >
                          > > > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and
                          > Management
                          > >
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                        • bobrosebrough21045
                          I place my faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster ... we re doomed! Lions and tigers and bears, oh my. We better hit the yellow brick road and seek help from
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                            I place my faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster


                            --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "im4therecord" <im4therecord@...>
                            wrote:
                            >
                            > 2012, asteroids, earth quakes, black hawks and evil BOE invaders,
                            we're doomed! Lions and tigers and bears, oh my. We better hit the
                            yellow brick road and seek help from the almighty wizard to save us.
                            >
                            > I don't think we're in Kansas anymore!
                            >
                            > Mary
                            >
                            > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "bobrosebrough21045"
                            bobrosebrough21045@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > I'm more worried about the ability of Glenelg High to withstand the
                            > > weight of the black helicopters
                            > >
                            > > that will land during the impending invasion by the BOE.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, cynthia vaillancourt
                            > > <CynthiaVaillancourt@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > I don't think we have until 2012. There was an earthquake in
                            taiwan a
                            > > little while ago. Those roofs better hold up to some serious
                            shaking,
                            > > too, because we are way over due for a good shake. and there is an
                            > > asteroid out there with my name on it...cindy v
                            > > >
                            > > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > From: jeffdewber@
                            > > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 00:27:20 -0500
                            > > > Subject: Re: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof
                            > > inspections of Howard County public schools
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
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                            > > >
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                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > No Cindy,
                            > > >
                            > > > I'm really worried about the 2012 will the roofs withstand?
                            > > >
                            > > > -Jeff
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > On 3/4/10 12:11 AM, "cynthia vaillancourt" CynthiaVaillancourt@
                            > > wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > I am going to be really peeved if the school's roofs are not able
                            to
                            > > withstand the asteroids that I am convinced will be coming soon. By
                            > > golly, the HCPSS better have a contingency plan in place for
                            asteroids!
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > cv
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                            > > >
                            > > > From: pamythompson@
                            > > >
                            > > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 04:28:40 +0000
                            > > >
                            > > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof
                            inspections
                            > > of Howard County public schools
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county
                            department of
                            > > inspections , licenses and permits .
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and
                            go
                            > > on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and
                            > > require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the
                            > > building "
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved
                            and
                            > > anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on
                            > > with warnings and recommendations .
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20
                            inches
                            > > of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both
                            > > underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no
                            > > reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered .
                            This
                            > > Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable
                            firm
                            > > in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts
                            the
                            > > live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two
                            attachments or
                            > > do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that
                            Gale
                            > > described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb
                            9-10
                            > > will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed
                            GALE's
                            > > warning of concern .
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Jack
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson"
                            pamythompson@
                            > > wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their
                            > > professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern
                            in
                            > > that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or
                            exceeds
                            > > the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed
                            analysis
                            > > of each school would be time consuming .
                            > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted
                            > > befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs ,
                            the
                            > > opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The
                            decision
                            > > to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion
                            is
                            > > that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of
                            > > Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                            > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > Jack
                            > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson"
                            > > <pamythompson@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the
                            folowing ..
                            > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review
                            structural
                            > > plans ,
                            > > >
                            > > > > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a
                            > > potentially time
                            > > >
                            > > > > > consuming task "
                            > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > Jack
                            > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson"
                            > > <pamythompson@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on
                            the
                            > > area roofs .
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq
                            ft
                            > > with the
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number
                            of
                            > > inches of snow
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per
                            sq
                            > > ft . They then
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be
                            12 to
                            > > 18 inches with
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow
                            > > acumulation of 12 inches
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this
                            > > weight however they
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a
                            total
                            > > of 48lbs per sq
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > ft. The problem here is
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the
                            previous
                            > > with
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted .
                            In
                            > > actuality the load
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40
                            lbs
                            > > which is of
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48
                            lbs
                            > > per sq ft and
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was
                            no
                            > > safety net as
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other
                            issues
                            > > such as the
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not
                            factored
                            > > in . Snow
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be
                            aware
                            > > of is that the
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings
                            > > measuring up to
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > seven foot .
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > Jack
                            > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson"
                            > > <pamythompson@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after
                            everyone
                            > > has gone over them .
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live
                            load to
                            > > be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18
                            in
                            > > snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft .
                            There
                            > > are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a
                            lot
                            > > more snow . Read carefully .
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > Jack
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry
                            > > <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > You see Jack.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > -Jeff D.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@>
                            wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I
                            wanted
                            > > anything
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual
                            school
                            > > , just to put it in
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told
                            that at
                            > > Thursday's BOE
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the
                            > > issue and that it is
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not
                            had
                            > > the time yet to
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > view it .
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Jack
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam
                            thompson
                            > > <pamythompson@>
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of
                            Howard
                            > > County public
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> schools
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions
                            > > regarding our roof
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my
                            general
                            > > direction, was
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow
                            emergency
                            > > in collaboration with
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all
                            schools.
                            > > It took several
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy
                            > > equipment was being
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist
                            > > first responders.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my
                            > > Director of School
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead
                            Roofer
                            > > conducted visual
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed
                            by
                            > > the Howard County
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and
                            Gale
                            > > Associates (see
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior
                            and
                            > > perimeter
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and
                            > > components inside the
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building,
                            > > observing any drifting
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other
                            > > roof penetrations.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to
                            > > three different roofing
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men
                            per
                            > > day, conducting snow
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In
                            > > addition, Building Service
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort,
                            especially
                            > > focusing on
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the
                            > > Department of School
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools
                            were
                            > > ready for opening.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several
                            > > areas they were
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> checking.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two
                            > > corridors and room #112 on
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the
                            students
                            > > were sent home, while
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural
                            engineer
                            > > from Gale Associates
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached
                            report
                            > > which stated that the
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the
                            > > observed snow load. We do
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof
                            leaks
                            > > at various schools,
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from
                            the
                            > > tremendous amount of
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over
                            the
                            > > last few days.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk
                            > > management techniques
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and
                            communicate
                            > > those actions to
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely
                            proud of
                            > > our collective
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the
                            > > reception for
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to
                            acknowledge
                            > > their efforts during
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board
                            Room at
                            > > Central Office.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > Ken
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my
                            > > qualifications, I hold a MSME
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I
                            have
                            > > been Deputy
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability
                            Engineering
                            > > Directorate for the
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of
                            > > Shipbuilding Management
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I
                            was
                            > > responsible for
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7
                            > > Billion dollar annual
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> >
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and
                            > > Management
                            > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
                            > > >
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                            is there a low carb version of fsm? To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com From: bobrosebrough21045@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:40:52 +0000 Subject:
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                              is there a low carb version of fsm?



                              To: howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                              From: bobrosebrough21045@...
                              Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:40:52 +0000
                              Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public schools

                               

                              I place my faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster

                              --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "im4therecord" <im4therecord@ ...>
                              wrote:
                              >
                              > 2012, asteroids, earth quakes, black hawks and evil BOE invaders,
                              we're doomed! Lions and tigers and bears, oh my. We better hit the
                              yellow brick road and seek help from the almighty wizard to save us.
                              >
                              > I don't think we're in Kansas anymore!
                              >
                              > Mary
                              >
                              > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "bobrosebrough21045 "
                              bobrosebrough21045@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > I'm more worried about the ability of Glenelg High to withstand the
                              > > weight of the black helicopters
                              > >
                              > > that will land during the impending invasion by the BOE.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, cynthia vaillancourt
                              > > <CynthiaVaillancour t@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > I don't think we have until 2012. There was an earthquake in
                              taiwan a
                              > > little while ago. Those roofs better hold up to some serious
                              shaking,
                              > > too, because we are way over due for a good shake. and there is an
                              > > asteroid out there with my name on it...cindy v
                              > > >
                              > > > To: howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com
                              > > > From: jeffdewber@
                              > > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 00:27:20 -0500
                              > > > Subject: Re: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof
                              > > inspections of Howard County public schools
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
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                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > No Cindy,
                              > > >
                              > > > I'm really worried about the 2012 will the roofs withstand?
                              > > >
                              > > > -Jeff
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > On 3/4/10 12:11 AM, "cynthia vaillancourt" CynthiaVaillancourt @
                              > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > I am going to be really peeved if the school's roofs are not able
                              to
                              > > withstand the asteroids that I am convinced will be coming soon. By
                              > > golly, the HCPSS better have a contingency plan in place for
                              asteroids!
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > cv
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > To: howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com
                              > > >
                              > > > From: pamythompson@
                              > > >
                              > > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 04:28:40 +0000
                              > > >
                              > > > Subject: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof
                              inspections
                              > > of Howard County public schools
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county
                              department of
                              > > inspections , licenses and permits .
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and
                              go
                              > > on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and
                              > > require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the
                              > > building "
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved
                              and
                              > > anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on
                              > > with warnings and recommendations .
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20
                              inches
                              > > of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both
                              > > underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no
                              > > reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered .
                              This
                              > > Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable
                              firm
                              > > in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts
                              the
                              > > live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two
                              attachments or
                              > > do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that
                              Gale
                              > > described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb
                              9-10
                              > > will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed
                              GALE's
                              > > warning of concern .
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Jack
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson"
                              pamythompson@
                              > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their
                              > > professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern
                              in
                              > > that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or
                              exceeds
                              > > the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed
                              analysis
                              > > of each school would be time consuming .
                              > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted
                              > > befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs ,
                              the
                              > > opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The
                              decision
                              > > to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion
                              is
                              > > that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of
                              > > Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                              > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > Jack
                              > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson"
                              > > <pamythompson@ > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the
                              folowing ..
                              > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review
                              structural
                              > > plans ,
                              > > >
                              > > > > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a
                              > > potentially time
                              > > >
                              > > > > > consuming task "
                              > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > Jack
                              > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson"
                              > > <pamythompson@ > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on
                              the
                              > > area roofs .
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq
                              ft
                              > > with the
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number
                              of
                              > > inches of snow
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per
                              sq
                              > > ft . They then
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be
                              12 to
                              > > 18 inches with
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow
                              > > acumulation of 12 inches
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this
                              > > weight however they
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a
                              total
                              > > of 48lbs per sq
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > ft. The problem here is
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the
                              previous
                              > > with
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted .
                              In
                              > > actuality the load
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40
                              lbs
                              > > which is of
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48
                              lbs
                              > > per sq ft and
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was
                              no
                              > > safety net as
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other
                              issues
                              > > such as the
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not
                              factored
                              > > in . Snow
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be
                              aware
                              > > of is that the
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings
                              > > measuring up to
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > seven foot .
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > Jack
                              > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, "pamythompson"
                              > > <pamythompson@ > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after
                              everyone
                              > > has gone over them .
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live
                              load to
                              > > be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18
                              in
                              > > snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft .
                              There
                              > > are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a
                              lot
                              > > more snow . Read carefully .
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > Jack
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com, Jeffrey Dewberry
                              > > <jeffdewber@ > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > You see Jack.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > -Jeff D.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@ >
                              wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I
                              wanted
                              > > anything
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual
                              school
                              > > , just to put it in
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told
                              that at
                              > > Thursday's BOE
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the
                              > > issue and that it is
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not
                              had
                              > > the time yet to
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > view it .
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Jack
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@ yahoogroups. com
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubli ced%40yahoogroup s.com> , pam
                              thompson
                              > > <pamythompson@ >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of
                              Howard
                              > > County public
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> schools
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions
                              > > regarding our roof
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my
                              general
                              > > direction, was
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow
                              emergency
                              > > in collaboration with
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all
                              schools.
                              > > It took several
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy
                              > > equipment was being
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist
                              > > first responders.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my
                              > > Director of School
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead
                              Roofer
                              > > conducted visual
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed
                              by
                              > > the Howard County
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and
                              Gale
                              > > Associates (see
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior
                              and
                              > > perimeter
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and
                              > > components inside the
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building,
                              > > observing any drifting
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other
                              > > roof penetrations.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to
                              > > three different roofing
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men
                              per
                              > > day, conducting snow
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In
                              > > addition, Building Service
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort,
                              especially
                              > > focusing on
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the
                              > > Department of School
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools
                              were
                              > > ready for opening.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several
                              > > areas they were
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> checking.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two
                              > > corridors and room #112 on
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the
                              students
                              > > were sent home, while
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural
                              engineer
                              > > from Gale Associates
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached
                              report
                              > > which stated that the
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the
                              > > observed snow load. We do
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof
                              leaks
                              > > at various schools,
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from
                              the
                              > > tremendous amount of
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over
                              the
                              > > last few days.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk
                              > > management techniques
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and
                              communicate
                              > > those actions to
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely
                              proud of
                              > > our collective
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the
                              > > reception for
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to
                              acknowledge
                              > > their efforts during
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board
                              Room at
                              > > Central Office.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > Ken
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my
                              > > qualifications, I hold a MSME
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I
                              have
                              > > been Deputy
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability
                              Engineering
                              > > Directorate for the
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of
                              > > Shipbuilding Management
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I
                              was
                              > > responsible for
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7
                              > > Billion dollar annual
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> >
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and
                              > > Management
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
                              > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
                              > > >
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                              Hammond Middle School Wed , 17 Feb GALE report . Gale made visual observations as well as aproximate measurements and reviewed school drawings . They go on to
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                                Hammond Middle School

                                Wed , 17 Feb GALE report .

                                Gale made visual observations as well as aproximate measurements and reviewed school drawings . They go on to indicate that the roof will hold it's current load of 17 to 20 inches and has the capacity to hold 34 inches .

                                They state "Unfortunately the roof deck is not as elastic as the roof framing components and did not reboumd to it's original position ."

                                This statement ackowledges that at some point prior to their inspection there was enough load on this roof to displace the gypsum decking .

                                For those of you unfamiliar with roofing , the deck is attached to the joists providing a clean , smooth and even surfsce over which the roof is installed . Gypsum decking was usually 2 inches thick and sat on the joists in steel purlins attached to the joists . Gale observed displacement of the gypsum deck from underneath . This indicates that at some point there was enough load on the roof to either bow the joists enough to allow the displacement of the gypsum boards or that the weight caused the decking to bow between the joists or both . It is also clear that at some point the load on the roof was greater then 20 inches of snow and the roof deflection was enough to alter the appearance of the ceiling .

                                Gale used visual observations , aproximate measurements and instead of lbs per sq ft , it used inches of snow to determine that the roof was capable of it's current load however it did not adequately explain the amount of live load that caused this roof to be in this condition to begin with .

                                What is clear from this event is that HCPSS had no idea of the amount of snow on this roof or how much this roof could hold prior to opening and this is probably consistant with all 73 schools . With noticable deflection in the ceiling the school should not have been opened . The decision to close the school while prudent is the consequence of the stupidity of the decision to open .

                                Jack

                                --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of inspections , licenses and permits .
                                >
                                > Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the building "
                                >
                                > Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on with warnings and recommendations .
                                >
                                > Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered . This Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts the live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.
                                >
                                > We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10 will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's warning of concern .
                                >
                                > Jack
                                >
                                > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis of each school would be time consuming .
                                > >
                                > > Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                                > >
                                > > Jack
                                > >
                                > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                                > > >
                                > > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans ,
                                > > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially time
                                > > > consuming task "
                                > > >
                                > > > Jack
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
                                > > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
                                > > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
                                > > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
                                > > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
                                > > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
                                > > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
                                > > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
                                > > > > ft. The problem here is
                                > > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
                                > > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
                                > > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
                                > > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
                                > > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net as
                                > > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
                                > > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
                                > > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
                                > > > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
                                > > > > seven foot .
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Jack
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Jack
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > You see Jack.
                                > > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                                > > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                                > > > > > > -Jeff D.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
                                > > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
                                > > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
                                > > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
                                > > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
                                > > > > > > > view it .
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Jack
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
                                > > > > > > > wrote:
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                                > > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
                                > > > > > > >> schools
                                > > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                                > > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
                                > > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
                                > > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
                                > > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                                > > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
                                > > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
                                > > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
                                > > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
                                > > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
                                > > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
                                > > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
                                > > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
                                > > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
                                > > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
                                > > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
                                > > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
                                > > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
                                > > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
                                > > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
                                > > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                                > > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
                                > > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
                                > > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
                                > > > > > > >> checking.
                                > > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
                                > > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
                                > > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
                                > > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
                                > > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
                                > > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                                > > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
                                > > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
                                > > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
                                > > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
                                > > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
                                > > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
                                > > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
                                > > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> >                                                        Ken
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
                                > > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
                                > > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
                                > > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
                                > > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
                                > > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
                                > > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                                > > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
                                > > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
                                > > > > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
                                > > > > > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
                                > > > > > > >> >
                                > > > > > > >
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                              • Jeffrey Dewberry
                                I do have a question. Lets say I did not clear my own roof? I am I putting my self, and my children at risk the same amount Boe is ³Risking² the children?
                                Message 15 of 22 , Mar 4 11:32 PM
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                                  Re: [howardpubliced] Re: Fw: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public schools I do have a question.
                                  Lets say I did not clear my own roof?
                                  I am I putting my self, and my children at risk the same amount Boe is “Risking” the children?
                                  Just a thought!
                                  -Jeff



                                  On 3/5/10 12:17 AM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:


                                   
                                   
                                     

                                     Hammond Middle School

                                  Wed , 17 Feb GALE report .

                                  Gale made visual observations as well as aproximate measurements and reviewed school drawings . They go on to indicate that the roof will hold it's current load of 17 to 20 inches and has the capacity to hold 34 inches .

                                  They state "Unfortunately the roof deck is not as elastic as the roof framing components and did not reboumd to it's original position ."

                                  This statement ackowledges that at some point prior to their inspection there was enough load on this roof to displace the gypsum decking .

                                  For those of you unfamiliar with roofing , the deck is attached to the joists providing a clean , smooth and even surfsce over which the roof is installed . Gypsum decking was usually 2 inches thick and sat on the joists in steel purlins attached to the joists . Gale observed displacement of the gypsum deck from underneath . This indicates that at some point there was enough load on the roof to either bow the joists enough to allow the displacement of the gypsum boards or that the weight caused the decking to bow between the joists or both . It is also clear that at some point the load on the roof was greater then 20 inches of snow and the roof deflection was enough to alter the appearance of the ceiling .

                                  Gale used visual observations , aproximate measurements and instead of lbs per sq ft , it used inches of snow to determine that the roof was capable of it's current load however it did not adequately explain the amount of live load that caused this roof to be in this condition to begin with .

                                  What is clear from this event is that HCPSS had no idea of the amount of snow on this roof or how much this roof could hold prior to opening and this is probably consistant with all 73 schools . With noticable deflection in the ceiling the school should not have been opened . The decision to close the school while prudent is the consequence of the stupidity of the decision to open .

                                  Jack

                                  --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >     Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of inspections , licenses and permits .
                                  >
                                  >     Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the building "
                                  >
                                  >   Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on with warnings and recommendations .
                                  >
                                  >    Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered . This Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts the live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.
                                  >
                                  >   We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10 will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's warning of concern .
                                  >
                                  > Jack
                                  >
                                  > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > >     The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis of each school would be time consuming .
                                  > >
                                  > >     Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                                  > >
                                  > > Jack
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans ,
                                  > > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially time
                                  > > > consuming task "
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Jack
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
                                  > > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
                                  > > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
                                  > > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
                                  > > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
                                  > > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
                                  > > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
                                  > > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
                                  > > > > ft. The problem here is
                                  > > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
                                  > > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
                                  > > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
                                  > > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
                                  > > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net  as
                                  > > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
                                  > > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
                                  > > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
                                  > > > > roofing industry  encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
                                  > > > > seven foot .
                                  > > > > >  
                                  > > > > > Jack
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >     In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >   I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Jack
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > You see Jack.
                                  > > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                                  > > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                                  > > > > > > -Jeff D.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >  
                                  > > > > > > >  
                                  > > > > > > >  
                                  > > > > > > >    
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >    I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
                                  > > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
                                  > > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
                                  > > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
                                  > > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
                                  > > > > > > > view it .
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Jack
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
                                  > > > > > > > wrote:
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                                  > > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
                                  > > > > > > >> schools
                                  > > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                                  > > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
                                  > > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
                                  > > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
                                  > > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                                  > > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
                                  > > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
                                  > > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
                                  > > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
                                  > > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
                                  > > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
                                  > > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
                                  > > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
                                  > > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
                                  > > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
                                  > > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
                                  > > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
                                  > > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
                                  > > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
                                  > > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
                                  > > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                                  > > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
                                  > > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
                                  > > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
                                  > > > > > > >> checking.
                                  > > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
                                  > > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
                                  > > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
                                  > > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
                                  > > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
                                  > > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                                  > > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
                                  > > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
                                  > > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
                                  > > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
                                  > > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
                                  > > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
                                  > > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
                                  > > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> >                                                        Ken
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
                                  > > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
                                  > > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
                                  > > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
                                  > > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
                                  > > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
                                  > > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                                  > > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
                                  > > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
                                  > > > > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
                                  > > > > > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
                                  > > > > > > >> >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >  
                                  > > > > > > >    
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                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  >

                                   
                                     


                                • im4therecord
                                  Yet, in the end decision to open the schools allowed the students to get back on track, resulted in no injuries and brought to light the need to further
                                  Message 16 of 22 , Mar 5 4:54 AM
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                                    Yet, in the end decision to open the schools allowed the students to get back on track, resulted in no injuries and brought to light the need to further inspect and clear all the school roofs.

                                    By the recent mocking, yet very amusing post, it is apparent that the group is ready to move on to a new subject. Most likely because there's very little if any snow on the roofs now. The urgent nature of the problem is over, the school system learned from the ordeal and the kids are back on schedule. All in all not a bad result. Take the hint, move on.

                                    Mary



                                    --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Hammond Middle School
                                    >
                                    > Wed , 17 Feb GALE report .
                                    >
                                    > Gale made visual observations as well as aproximate measurements and reviewed school drawings . They go on to indicate that the roof will hold it's current load of 17 to 20 inches and has the capacity to hold 34 inches .
                                    >
                                    > They state "Unfortunately the roof deck is not as elastic as the roof framing components and did not reboumd to it's original position ."
                                    >
                                    > This statement ackowledges that at some point prior to their inspection there was enough load on this roof to displace the gypsum decking .
                                    >
                                    > For those of you unfamiliar with roofing , the deck is attached to the joists providing a clean , smooth and even surfsce over which the roof is installed . Gypsum decking was usually 2 inches thick and sat on the joists in steel purlins attached to the joists . Gale observed displacement of the gypsum deck from underneath . This indicates that at some point there was enough load on the roof to either bow the joists enough to allow the displacement of the gypsum boards or that the weight caused the decking to bow between the joists or both . It is also clear that at some point the load on the roof was greater then 20 inches of snow and the roof deflection was enough to alter the appearance of the ceiling .
                                    >
                                    > Gale used visual observations , aproximate measurements and instead of lbs per sq ft , it used inches of snow to determine that the roof was capable of it's current load however it did not adequately explain the amount of live load that caused this roof to be in this condition to begin with .
                                    >
                                    > What is clear from this event is that HCPSS had no idea of the amount of snow on this roof or how much this roof could hold prior to opening and this is probably consistant with all 73 schools . With noticable deflection in the ceiling the school should not have been opened . The decision to close the school while prudent is the consequence of the stupidity of the decision to open .
                                    >
                                    > Jack
                                    >
                                    > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of inspections , licenses and permits .
                                    > >
                                    > > Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the building "
                                    > >
                                    > > Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on with warnings and recommendations .
                                    > >
                                    > > Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered . This Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts the live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.
                                    > >
                                    > > We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10 will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's warning of concern .
                                    > >
                                    > > Jack
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis of each school would be time consuming .
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Jack
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans ,
                                    > > > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially time
                                    > > > > consuming task "
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Jack
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
                                    > > > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
                                    > > > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
                                    > > > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
                                    > > > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
                                    > > > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
                                    > > > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
                                    > > > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
                                    > > > > > ft. The problem here is
                                    > > > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
                                    > > > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
                                    > > > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
                                    > > > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
                                    > > > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net as
                                    > > > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
                                    > > > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
                                    > > > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
                                    > > > > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
                                    > > > > > seven foot .
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Jack
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Jack
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > You see Jack.
                                    > > > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                                    > > > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                                    > > > > > > > -Jeff D.
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
                                    > > > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
                                    > > > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
                                    > > > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
                                    > > > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
                                    > > > > > > > > view it .
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Jack
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
                                    > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                                    > > > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
                                    > > > > > > > >> schools
                                    > > > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                                    > > > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
                                    > > > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
                                    > > > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
                                    > > > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                                    > > > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
                                    > > > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
                                    > > > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
                                    > > > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
                                    > > > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
                                    > > > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
                                    > > > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
                                    > > > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
                                    > > > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
                                    > > > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
                                    > > > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
                                    > > > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
                                    > > > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
                                    > > > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
                                    > > > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
                                    > > > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                                    > > > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
                                    > > > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
                                    > > > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
                                    > > > > > > > >> checking.
                                    > > > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
                                    > > > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
                                    > > > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
                                    > > > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
                                    > > > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
                                    > > > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                                    > > > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
                                    > > > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
                                    > > > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
                                    > > > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
                                    > > > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
                                    > > > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
                                    > > > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
                                    > > > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> >                                                        Ken
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
                                    > > > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
                                    > > > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
                                    > > > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
                                    > > > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
                                    > > > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
                                    > > > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                                    > > > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
                                    > > > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
                                    > > > > > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
                                    > > > > > > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
                                    > > > > > > > >> >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
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                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
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                                  • im4therecord
                                    If that s the case, then I m guilty too. Although, since most of us were concentrating our efforts on simply get out of our driveway, making it safely down
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                                      If that's the case, then I'm guilty too. Although, since most of us were concentrating our efforts on simply get out of our driveway, making it safely down the road and hunting down milk for the kids cereal, I say we can claim extenuating circumstances and ask for a PBJ.

                                      But..if you neglected to find milk, then you just might have been in serious danger.

                                      Mary

                                      --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > I do have a question.
                                      > Lets say I did not clear my own roof?
                                      > I am I putting my self, and my children at risk the same amount Boe is
                                      > ³Risking² the children?
                                      > Just a thought!
                                      > -Jeff
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > On 3/5/10 12:17 AM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Hammond Middle School
                                      > >
                                      > > Wed , 17 Feb GALE report .
                                      > >
                                      > > Gale made visual observations as well as aproximate measurements and reviewed
                                      > > school drawings . They go on to indicate that the roof will hold it's current
                                      > > load of 17 to 20 inches and has the capacity to hold 34 inches .
                                      > >
                                      > > They state "Unfortunately the roof deck is not as elastic as the roof framing
                                      > > components and did not reboumd to it's original position ."
                                      > >
                                      > > This statement ackowledges that at some point prior to their inspection there
                                      > > was enough load on this roof to displace the gypsum decking .
                                      > >
                                      > > For those of you unfamiliar with roofing , the deck is attached to the joists
                                      > > providing a clean , smooth and even surfsce over which the roof is installed .
                                      > > Gypsum decking was usually 2 inches thick and sat on the joists in steel
                                      > > purlins attached to the joists . Gale observed displacement of the gypsum deck
                                      > > from underneath . This indicates that at some point there was enough load on
                                      > > the roof to either bow the joists enough to allow the displacement of the
                                      > > gypsum boards or that the weight caused the decking to bow between the joists
                                      > > or both . It is also clear that at some point the load on the roof was greater
                                      > > then 20 inches of snow and the roof deflection was enough to alter the
                                      > > appearance of the ceiling .
                                      > >
                                      > > Gale used visual observations , aproximate measurements and instead of lbs per
                                      > > sq ft , it used inches of snow to determine that the roof was capable of it's
                                      > > current load however it did not adequately explain the amount of live load
                                      > > that caused this roof to be in this condition to begin with .
                                      > >
                                      > > What is clear from this event is that HCPSS had no idea of the amount of snow
                                      > > on this roof or how much this roof could hold prior to opening and this is
                                      > > probably consistant with all 73 schools . With noticable deflection in the
                                      > > ceiling the school should not have been opened . The decision to close the
                                      > > school while prudent is the consequence of the stupidity of the decision to
                                      > > open .
                                      > >
                                      > > Jack
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "pamythompson" <pamythompson@>
                                      > > wrote:
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of
                                      > >> inspections , licenses and permits .
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go on
                                      > >> to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and require that
                                      > >> it be incorporated into the structural design of the building "
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and
                                      > >> anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on with
                                      > >> warnings and recommendations .
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches of
                                      > >> additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both underestimated
                                      > >> the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no reports after the Feb 9 -
                                      > >> 10 storm from either has been offered . This Howard county office offers no
                                      > >> numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm in the industry , knowledgeable of
                                      > >> industry standards , clearly puts the live load into perspective and very
                                      > >> clearly notes a concern.
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or do
                                      > >> we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale described
                                      > >> and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10 will remove that
                                      > >> net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's warning of concern .
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Jack
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >> <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "pamythompson" <pamythompson@>
                                      > >> wrote:
                                      > >>> > >
                                      > >>> > > The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their
                                      > >>> professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that
                                      > >>> it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds the 60%
                                      > >>> safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis of each
                                      > >>> school would be time consuming .
                                      > >>> > >
                                      > >>> > > Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted
                                      > >>> befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the
                                      > >>> opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision to
                                      > >>> open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is that his
                                      > >>> decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of Howard county at
                                      > >>> unnecessary risk .
                                      > >>> > >
                                      > >>> > > Jack
                                      > >>> > >
                                      > >>> > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >>> <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "pamythompson" <pamythompson@>
                                      > >>> wrote:
                                      > >>>> > > >
                                      > >>>> > > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                                      > >>>> > > >
                                      > >>>> > > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural
                                      > >>>> plans ,
                                      > >>>> > > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially
                                      > time
                                      > >>>> > > > consuming task "
                                      > >>>> > > >
                                      > >>>> > > > Jack
                                      > >>>> > > >
                                      > >>>> > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >>>> <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "pamythompson" <pamythompson@>
                                      > >>>> wrote:
                                      > >>>>> > > > >
                                      > >>>>> > > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the
                                      > >>>>> area roofs .
                                      > >>>>> > > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft
                                      > >>>>> with the
                                      > >>>>> > > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of
                                      > >>>>> inches of snow
                                      > >>>>> > > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft
                                      > >>>>> . They then
                                      > >>>>> > > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to
                                      > >>>>> 18 inches with
                                      > >>>>> > > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow
                                      > >>>>> acumulation of 12 inches
                                      > >>>>> > > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this
                                      > >>>>> weight however they
                                      > >>>>> > > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of
                                      > >>>>> 48lbs per sq
                                      > >>>>> > > > > ft. The problem here is
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous
                                      > with
                                      > >>>>> > > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In
                                      > >>>>> actuality the load
                                      > >>>>> > > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs
                                      > >>>>> which is of
                                      > >>>>> > > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs
                                      > >>>>> per sq ft and
                                      > >>>>> > > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no
                                      > >>>>> safety net as
                                      > >>>>> > > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues
                                      > >>>>> such as the
                                      > >>>>> > > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored
                                      > >>>>> in . Snow
                                      > >>>>> > > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of
                                      > >>>>> is that the
                                      > >>>>> > > > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings
                                      > >>>>> measuring up to
                                      > >>>>> > > > > seven foot .
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > > Jack
                                      > >>>>> > > > >
                                      > >>>>> > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >>>>> <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , "pamythompson" <pamythompson@>
                                      > wrote:
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after
                                      > >>>>>> everyone has gone over them .
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load
                                      > >>>>>> to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in
                                      > >>>>>> snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There
                                      > >>>>>> are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot
                                      > >>>>>> more snow . Read carefully .
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > > Jack
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >>>>>> <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , Jeffrey Dewberry
                                      > >>>>>> <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                                      > >>>>>>> > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>> > > > > > > You see Jack.
                                      > >>>>>>> > > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                                      > >>>>>>> > > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                                      > >>>>>>> > > > > > > -Jeff D.
                                      > >>>>>>> > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>> > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>> > > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                      > >>>>>>> > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I
                                      > >>>>>>>> wanted anything
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual
                                      > >>>>>>>> school , just to put it in
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that
                                      > >>>>>>>> at Thursday's BOE
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the
                                      > >>>>>>>> issue and that it is
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not
                                      > >>>>>>>> had the time yet to
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > view it .
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > Jack
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >>>>>>>> <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson
                                      > >>>>>>>> <pamythompson@>
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > wrote:
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> Howard County public
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> schools
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> regarding our roof
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> general direction, was
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency
                                      > >>>>>>>>> in collaboration with
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> schools. It took several
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy
                                      > >>>>>>>>> equipment was being
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist
                                      > >>>>>>>>> first responders.
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> Director of School
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead
                                      > >>>>>>>>> Roofer conducted visual
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed
                                      > >>>>>>>>> by the Howard County
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and
                                      > >>>>>>>>> Gale Associates (see
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and
                                      > perimeter
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and
                                      > >>>>>>>>> components inside the
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building,
                                      > >>>>>>>>> observing any drifting
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other
                                      > >>>>>>>>> roof penetrations.
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> three different roofing
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men
                                      > >>>>>>>>> per day, conducting snow
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In
                                      > >>>>>>>>> addition, Building Service
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort,
                                      > >>>>>>>>> especially focusing on
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> Department of School
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools
                                      > >>>>>>>>> were ready for opening.
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several
                                      > >>>>>>>>> areas they were
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> checking.
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> corridors and room #112 on
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students
                                      > >>>>>>>>> were sent home, while
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural
                                      > >>>>>>>>> engineer from Gale Associates
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report
                                      > >>>>>>>>> which stated that the
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the
                                      > >>>>>>>>> observed snow load. We do
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> leaks at various schools,
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from
                                      > >>>>>>>>> the tremendous amount of
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the
                                      > last few days.
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> management techniques
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and
                                      > >>>>>>>>> communicate those actions to
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud
                                      > >>>>>>>>> of our collective
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the
                                      > reception for
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge
                                      > >>>>>>>>> their efforts during
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room
                                      > >>>>>>>>> at Central Office.
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>>                                                        Ken
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> qualifications, I hold a MSME
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I
                                      > >>>>>>>>> have been Deputy
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability
                                      > >>>>>>>>> Engineering Directorate for the
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of
                                      > >>>>>>>>> Shipbuilding Management
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I
                                      > >>>>>>>>> was responsible for
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7
                                      > >>>>>>>>> Billion dollar annual
                                      > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and
                                      > Management
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > 410-313-1527 (O)
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > 410-869-2143 (C)
                                      > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>>> > > > > > >
                                      > >>>>>> > > > > >
                                      > >>>>> > > > >
                                      > >>>> > > >
                                      > >>> > >
                                      > >> >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
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                                    • pamythompson
                                      Against all those opposed I believe I will finish this . Snow removal operations were conducted at over half the schools which means that on the other almost
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                                        Against all those opposed I believe I will finish this .

                                        Snow removal operations were conducted at over half the schools which means that on the other almost half of the schools recommended clearing aroumd drains and other measures did not happen . For the schools that had roof top snow removal , it was very limited to temporary buildings , some overhangs and a few other areas .

                                        Roof contractors provided 60 to 100 men per day but most were not journeymen roofers , many were far less experienced and laborers . This number , 60 to 100 , equals 1 or 2 men , posibly 3 per building . This is no where nesr enough men to adequately address the situation . They were assisted by staff from the HCPSS . We will give the staff that worked on the roofs credit for their hard work however roofing is a very dangerous business . To clear snow from a roof one must first consider the risk to the men on the roof and question if the risk to their lives is worth their efforts . To place inexperienced men on the roofs in the snow puts their lives at risk , puts the lives of those with them at risk and endangers everyone below them . To give these HCPSS staff credit for their labor is one thing but to put their lives at risk is another .

                                        "As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations."

                                        The problem here is that no qualified roofer or arcitechtural engineer with expertise in this area inspected these roofs before the schools opened . The window of oportunity between when these buildings were accessible and the start of school was not sufficient to allow for an adequate inspection especially from the roof . No calculations of the weight of snow on the roofs were made and no blueprints of the schools have been mentioned in these evaluations .

                                        Because nothing bad occured is not an excuse . HCPSS did not know if these buildings were safe . For the superintendent to place 50 thousand children and 7 thousand staff in these buildings under these circumstances for three half days was stupid .

                                        Mr. Roey , his secretary and his staff have been very helpful and very forthright in addressing my questions . I have no issues with any of these people and expressed that to them . No where do you see any direction from the state in this , Our school system like the rest in Maryland were left without guidance . Ultimately it is our superintendents which must decide the fate of our children and clearly ours lacked both the man power as well as the expertise to make such a decision .

                                        Jack

                                        --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Hammond Middle School
                                        >
                                        > Wed , 17 Feb GALE report .
                                        >
                                        > Gale made visual observations as well as aproximate measurements and reviewed school drawings . They go on to indicate that the roof will hold it's current load of 17 to 20 inches and has the capacity to hold 34 inches .
                                        >
                                        > They state "Unfortunately the roof deck is not as elastic as the roof framing components and did not reboumd to it's original position ."
                                        >
                                        > This statement ackowledges that at some point prior to their inspection there was enough load on this roof to displace the gypsum decking .
                                        >
                                        > For those of you unfamiliar with roofing , the deck is attached to the joists providing a clean , smooth and even surfsce over which the roof is installed . Gypsum decking was usually 2 inches thick and sat on the joists in steel purlins attached to the joists . Gale observed displacement of the gypsum deck from underneath . This indicates that at some point there was enough load on the roof to either bow the joists enough to allow the displacement of the gypsum boards or that the weight caused the decking to bow between the joists or both . It is also clear that at some point the load on the roof was greater then 20 inches of snow and the roof deflection was enough to alter the appearance of the ceiling .
                                        >
                                        > Gale used visual observations , aproximate measurements and instead of lbs per sq ft , it used inches of snow to determine that the roof was capable of it's current load however it did not adequately explain the amount of live load that caused this roof to be in this condition to begin with .
                                        >
                                        > What is clear from this event is that HCPSS had no idea of the amount of snow on this roof or how much this roof could hold prior to opening and this is probably consistant with all 73 schools . With noticable deflection in the ceiling the school should not have been opened . The decision to close the school while prudent is the consequence of the stupidity of the decision to open .
                                        >
                                        > Jack
                                        >
                                        > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Now let us look at the attachment from the Howard county department of inspections , licenses and permits .
                                        > >
                                        > > Feb 9 , They anticipate an additional 10 to 20 inches of snow and go on to say "our building codes anticipate this type of loading and require that it be incorporated into the structural design of the building "
                                        > >
                                        > > Further "although the absolute amount of snowfall we have recieved and anticipate has not exceeded expected design loads " They continue on with warnings and recommendations .
                                        > >
                                        > > Now , they are in line with GALE with a prediction of 10 to 20 inches of additional snowfall (Gale predicted 12 to 18 inches) amd both underestimated the amount of snow which actually fell . Further no reports after the Feb 9 - 10 storm from either has been offered . This Howard county office offers no numbers whereas Gale , a reputable firm in the industry , knowledgeable of industry standards , clearly puts the live load into perspective and very clearly notes a concern.
                                        > >
                                        > > We now see a very serious discrepancy between these two attachments or do we ? Both are probably banking on that safety net of 60% that Gale described and both are well into it . The actual snowfall of Feb 9-10 will remove that net . At this point it would be prudent to heed GALE's warning of concern .
                                        > >
                                        > > Jack
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > The GALE attachment clearly informs us that not only is it their professional opinion that the live load on the roofs is of concern in that it exceeds the structural limits but that it also meets or exceeds the 60% safety factor . Secondly it informs us that a detailed analysis of each school would be time consuming .
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Based on this attachment , a detailed analysis was not conducted befor the schools reopened . Based on the live load on these roofs , the opening of schools was akin to a game of Russian roulette . The decision to open the schools would come from the superintendent . My opinion is that his decision was stupid and potentially placed the children of Howard county at unnecessary risk .
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Jack
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Another item of interest in the GALE attachment is the folowing ..
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > "To determine actual load capacities , one must review structural plans ,
                                        > > > > perform structural analysis , and know the building , a potentially time
                                        > > > > consuming task "
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Jack
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > In particular is their estimate of snow load (live load ) on the area roofs .
                                        > > > > > They estimate capacity for live load to be at 30 lbs per sq ft with the
                                        > > > > > exception of older buildings . They then estimate the number of inches of snow
                                        > > > > > less 25% due to wind and calculate a live load of 25lbs per sq ft . They then
                                        > > > > > estimate or predict the upcoming Feb 9-10 snow storm to be 12 to 18 inches with
                                        > > > > > a live load of 15lbs per sq ft which is based on a snow acumulation of 12 inches
                                        > > > > > for a total of 40 lbs per sq ft . They note concern for this weight however they
                                        > > > > > note a cushion of 60% added to the 30 lbs per sq ft or a total of 48lbs per sq
                                        > > > > > ft. The problem here is
                                        > > > > > > that the Feb 9-10 storm was a heavier snow then the previous with
                                        > > > > > accumulations much greater then their estimate predicted . In actuality the load
                                        > > > > > not only exceeded 30lbs , as well as their estimate of 40 lbs which is of
                                        > > > > > concern but in reality it was closer to or exceeding the 48 lbs per sq ft and
                                        > > > > > there fore not only were the roofs overloaded but there was no safety net as
                                        > > > > > expressed in the additional 60% above the 30lbs . Other issues such as the
                                        > > > > > weight from ponding or ice from previous storms are not factored in . Snow
                                        > > > > > drifts on roofs are mentioned and here what you should be aware of is that the
                                        > > > > > roofing industry encountered drifts on comercial buildings measuring up to
                                        > > > > > seven foot .
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Jack
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > In a couple of days I will post a few comments after everyone has gone over them .
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > I will give you one to ponder . They estimate the live load to be 25lbs with the anticipation of another 15lbs based on a 12 to 18 in snow fall on Feb 9 - 10 for a total estimate of 40lbs per sq ft . There are a lot of details left out but most notably that we recieved a lot more snow . Read carefully .
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Jack
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Dewberry <jeffdewber@> wrote:
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > You see Jack.
                                        > > > > > > > They are smarter then the average Bear.
                                        > > > > > > > Also very trustworthy.
                                        > > > > > > > -Jeff D.
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > On 2/27/10 11:33 PM, "pamythompson" <pamythompson@> wrote:
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > >
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                                        > > > > > > > > I was kindly told by Mr. Roey's secretary that if I wanted anything
                                        > > > > > > > > specific such as the roof damage at each individual school , just to put it in
                                        > > > > > > > > writing and they would gather it . I was also told that at Thursday's BOE
                                        > > > > > > > > meeting that the superintendant may have addressed the issue and that it is
                                        > > > > > > > > recorded at hcpss.org although I admit that I have not had the time yet to
                                        > > > > > > > > view it .
                                        > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > > Jack
                                        > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > > --- In howardpubliced@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > > > > <mailto:howardpubliced%40yahoogroups.com> , pam thompson <pamythompson@>
                                        > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@> wrote:
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> > From: Ken P. Roey <Ken_Roey@>
                                        > > > > > > > >> > Subject: Questions regarding roof inspections of Howard County public
                                        > > > > > > > >> schools
                                        > > > > > > > >> > To: pamythompson@
                                        > > > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
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                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> > Mr. Thompson- I understand you had some questions regarding our roof
                                        > > > > > > > >> assessment process. To summarize:
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> > - The Department of School Facilities, under my general direction, was
                                        > > > > > > > >> responsible for responding to the recent snow emergency in collaboration with
                                        > > > > > > > >> Howard County Government.
                                        > > > > > > > >> > - The first priority was to gain access to all schools. It took several
                                        > > > > > > > >> days to do so since all of the school systems heavy equipment was being
                                        > > > > > > > >> utilized by the County to clear main roads and assist first responders.
                                        > > > > > > > >> > - As soon as access was provided, a team led by my Director of School
                                        > > > > > > > >> Facilities, Manager of Building Services and Lead Roofer conducted visual
                                        > > > > > > > >> assessments at each school using guidelines developed by the Howard County
                                        > > > > > > > >> Department of Inspections, Licenses and Permits and Gale Associates (see
                                        > > > > > > > >> attached). In general, the team looked at interior and perimeter
                                        > > > > > > > >> doors/frames, sprinkler heads, ceiling tiles and components inside the
                                        > > > > > > > >> schools. They also got on the roof of each building, observing any drifting
                                        > > > > > > > >> conditions, transition points and skylights and other roof penetrations.
                                        > > > > > > > >> > - Based on the initial assessment, we contracted to three different roofing
                                        > > > > > > > >> companies with average manning of between 60-100 men per day, conducting snow
                                        > > > > > > > >> removal operations at over 50% of our schools. In addition, Building Service
                                        > > > > > > > >> personnel were used to supplement this effort, especially focusing on
                                        > > > > > > > >> portables and roof drainage areas.
                                        > > > > > > > >> > - The day prior to school opening teams from the Department of School
                                        > > > > > > > >> Construction did a final walkthru to ensure schools were ready for opening.
                                        > > > > > > > >> Deflection of interior components was one of several areas they were
                                        > > > > > > > >> checking.
                                        > > > > > > > >> > - Hammond MS reported bowed ceiling tile in two corridors and room #112 on
                                        > > > > > > > >> the first day of school. As a precaution, the students were sent home, while
                                        > > > > > > > >> snow removal operations continued. A structural engineer from Gale Associates
                                        > > > > > > > >> who responded that morning provided the attached report which stated that the
                                        > > > > > > > >> existing roof framing was capable of supporting the observed snow load. We do
                                        > > > > > > > >> not have these reports for other schools.
                                        > > > > > > > >> > - We are continuing to respond to reports of roof leaks at various schools,
                                        > > > > > > > >> including Glenwood MS and Glenelg HS, resulting from the tremendous amount of
                                        > > > > > > > >> snow and ice remaining which has been melting over the last few days.
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> > In summary, the school system used operational risk management techniques
                                        > > > > > > > >> to assess the risk, take immediate action and communicate those actions to
                                        > > > > > > > >> administrators within the schools. I'm extremely proud of our collective
                                        > > > > > > > >> efforts and would invite you to join the Board at the reception for
                                        > > > > > > > >> Department of School Facility employees to acknowledge their efforts during
                                        > > > > > > > >> the snow emergency on Thursday @3:30 in the Board Room at Central Office.
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> >                                                        Ken
                                        > > > > > > > >> >
                                        > > > > > > > >> > PS: Concerning your question regarding my qualifications, I hold a MSME
                                        > > > > > > > >> with a focus on materials. Among my past positions I have been Deputy
                                        > > > > > > > >> Director of the Structural and Survivability Engineering Directorate for the
                                        > > > > > > > >> United State Navy, and Director of the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Management
                                        > > > > > > > >> Group, Naval Sea Systems Command. In this position I was responsible for
                                        > > > > > > > >> contract administration efforts nationwide of the 7 Billion dollar annual
                                        > > > > > > > >> shipbuilding and ship repair budget for the Navy.
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                                        > > > > > > > >> > Ken Roey
                                        > > > > > > > >> > Executive Director of Facilities Planning and Management
                                        > > > > > > > >> > Howard County Public School System
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