RE: beware the number crunchers....Re: [howardpubliced] Projections forecast school crowding:
I missed this. Big school, small lunch room? New school? Design brilliance?
Is the lunch room too small or are they just mismanaging the food service?
Roger J. Lerner
From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Ray Lischner
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: beware the number crunchers....Re: [howardpubliced] Projections forecast school crowding:
On Monday 23 June 2008 12:20 pm, Allen Dyer wrote:
> i doubt that the spreadsheetsI do not know how the school district quantified educational environment
> used by the central office planners were sophisticated enough
> to take into account the impact of school size on the students'
> educational environment. 788 students in an elementary school
> is obscene.
when they did they calculations.
On the one hand, I agree that 788 is a large number of students for an
elementary school. Of the three elementary schools I attended (not
because I moved, but because my community underwent rapid growth, and I
moved from school to school as fast as the school district could build
them--sound familiar?), two were half that size. I don't remember size
of the third, but I suspect it was larger. (I later attended the same
school after it was reconfigured as a junior high. It was large enough
to hold grades 7 and 8 for one third of the school district, or about 7
elementary schools feeding into it.)
On the other hand, a smaller school has more limited opportunities. Only
the large school had a separate gym; the others used a single
all-purpose room as gym, cafeteria, and more. We did not have a
separate music room, or any room for G-T or other enrichment classes.
That said, when i had a choice of universities, I picked the smaller
one, in large part because it was smaller. (Freshman class size of
about 220 students; my second choice school was about 1000 students in
each class.) Sometimes, smaller is better.
The teachers that I have witnessed do an excellent job at managing their
classes, even if there are six such classes in the grade. The biggest
problem I've personally witnessed in regards to a large school is
lunch. In my son's school, they get 30 minutes for lunch. If you want
to buy lunch, the kids spend as much as 20 minutes standing in line to
get lunch simply because there are too many kids and the lunch room is
too small. My son would then drink the milk, eat a little bit, and
throw the rest away because recess was more important to him than
lunch. (Last year, 100 students were redistricted out of the school; at
the same time, we started packing a lunch, so I can't say whether the
smaller school size has addressed this problem.)
- Waaaay back when I was in elementary school and we had ONE teacher per
class, I know there were students who could not focus because of the
drone of the teacher's voice put the students to sleep. I think
having two teachers in the room will enliven the instruction (kind of
like the local evening news when there are two anchors on TV).
I would have loved to have had a second teacher in the room to help me
get over the humps in learning the more challenging lessons.
I would have also loved having a second teacher who could have given
me more challenging work to do at my seat when the lessons were too
easy for me.
What an ideal world that would have been!
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Roger Lerner <RLerner@...> wrote:
> In this instance the data is clear; co-teaching appears to be the
single most effective method of improving learning and performance
since the invention of the alphabet. What occurs, as I understand it,
is that one teacher professes the lesson while the other move around
the room assisting students with the work being taught, thus solving
the problem a single teacher faces of not being able to be two places