Re: [holistichelping] Sasha, Ken, Fred, Thank you for helping with My Food Story
- Dear Andrius,Pleasure to see great movements, Ken Owino and Fred has demostrated their love for the activities and their working for us is good. I love to say here that these two are making our lab a healthy forum and trust their involovement will make things more interesting.We hope to reach more stories on food stories.Sam
Sasha Mrkailo and I chatted today about MyFoodStory
http://www.myfoodstory.info I am very happy that he has started work to add
stories. He is also helping us start discussion in Serbian-Bosnian-Croatian
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_BOS/ It would be great to
hear in this language about farmers and their personal stories.
Sasha is a beekeeper and his deepest value is "rightful living". He asks:
How to live in this world without harming others or myself? This is a very
important question, but I think especially in Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia and
neighboring countries. I invite our letters, thoughts and stories.
Sasha, I am very happy if you might provide 500 entries for our directory. I
will send you a check for 200 USD for the first 200. May I send you a
personal check or do you need a cashier check from a bank?
Sasha, has I think good Internet access and so he can find us stories from
around the world that are on the Internet. He will collect them to help our
investigators with their work on their questions so that they have relevant
first hand experiences and people they can ask further as needed.
Ken Owino and Fred Kayiwa, I also look forward to you working for pay on
MyFoodStory. Ken and Fred, may I send you personal checks? Can you cash
them? Will you receive them if I send them in the mail? Fred, I plan to
send you 200 USD for you to go to the Omidyar meeting for us, to sign up
people for our groups, and also to collect 100 food stories for us. Ken,
would you be able to collect 100 food stories for us for 100 USD? These are
short descriptions of farmers or others who work with food, why they are
interesting and how we can contact them.
I hope to write more soon. Others who are interested, please let me know.
I share my chat with Sasha.
Andrius: Hi Sasha
Thank you for your great work!
Sasha: hi andrius!
just a second please.
You are welcome Andrius
it is a great opportunity for me to earn some really needed cash
Sasha: besides I really enjoy it
Andrius: How should I send money to you?
Sasha: hm I dont have paypal,can you send it via moneybookers or
or maybe with a check.Western union is the simplest but it is too costly
Andrius: I have moneybookers.
I will look into that.
Also, I can send a check.
Sasha: ok I have a question, I thought it would not be good idea to take
many entries from this site with 1000 stories?
It would be easiest for me but...I dont think it would be really all right
Andrius: Yes, I will write to them and see.
They don't have 1000 stories, I think it is just their goal.
And we may help give them our stories.
Also, we're not taking the full stories.
Sasha: Yes but they have more of them.
Andrius: But more useful for our laboratory would be
if we collected stories that related to an investigation.
Sasha: Yes butwhat is the point to just take all from one place?
What kind of investigation?
Andrius: Something meaningful for us to research or explore and
But first I ask you: Do you have a deepest value in life, that includes all
of your other values?
Sasha: That is not a question I can answer this moment
Andrius: ok that is fine
Andrius: And another: Is there a question that you don't know the
answer to, but would like to answer?
Sasha: too deep question,I am not used to think so deeply
Andrius: Yes but very helpful for leadership!
Sasha: Yes,how to live in this world without harming others or
Andrius: very good
Andrius: So I'd like you to collect stories that would help you answer
Also, is "rightful living" your deepest value, perhaps?
Sasha: I know it is good,I have wrote you some years ago, I was
interested,I am interested in truth and living by it
truth, and living by truth
Sasha: that would be it,I think
Andrius: do you have a link to your older letters?
Sasha: but what the truth is I cant define
Andrius: I will post your answers above
Sasha: I have sent it to you just a sec
ok, why not.
Sasha: I cant find it now so quickly
Sasha: can I change that somewhat later?
there is an "edit" link
Sasha: maybe some better definition
you know I have found you long ago on the net and I liked all your
efforts,but cant really understand the method or the final point in this all
the point is to support independent thinkers
Sasha: I mean it is a litle bit confusing
Andrius: yes it is
Sasha: it is a great field,everything
Andrius: because we can only support independent thinkers through their
are you thinking about our lab or about my philosophy?
Sasha: well both of them,it is really close connected
Andrius: yes so the purpose of the lab is to serve individual
and the overall direction these next ten years is to organize a supportive
Sasha: what do you mean by serve?
I understand about the culture
Andrius: Serve means support, be helpful and supportive, provide
services, free or paid
Sasha: yes I know what the word means ,I ent how can it serve, that was
more my question
Andrius: 1) provide more minds, 2) provide a social framework so their
ideas can become real, 3) provide moral support, 4) challenge them to grow,
5) help them earn a living
I wish it is working right now and providing all above
that would be great
Andrius: in a sense we are
Is it OK if I send you a check in US dollars?
Sasha: How do you endure all this because it seems to me that you are
bearing the most of the weight?
sure why not
Andrius: well I have nothing better to do
Sasha: that is a good answer :)
Andrius: I will your need address and also your tax number because I
will be reporting this in Lithuania as an "authorship agreement" and paying
an extra 15% to our government
Sasha: I want to tell you I would most like to work this in an open source
mode without payment,but I am in a real financial troubles now...
Andrius: I think it is normal to pay for work
but it is helpful to know that people are able to work for free, as you are
Sasha: I have great respect for the open source model,I would realy like
it to move to all areas...
my adress is:
have you been in Serbia?
Sombor is the town name
Andrius: yes Novi Sad
Sasha: I am close about 80 km away near croatian and hungaarian border
You are invited to my humble home if you ever come nearby
I think most of my entries are related to my investigation, how to earn
some money in agriculture,no not money but how to get a good life
and now if you can do that in Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia
and write in your language to our Minciu_Sodas_BOS group
Sasha: It seems to me the group is empty
yes why not
Andrius: well it is 150 people but I haven't been able to start it
Sasha: really? interesting
but you know many war wounds are stil open
Andrius: so that would be fantastic if you could involve people
yes but these are people who care
Sasha: I dont know what the reaction will be
Andrius: and you are very sensitive
Andrius: if we focus on "rightful living" then it will be very good
Sasha: I will try to start some conversation
Andrius: do you have a tax number?
so I can report?
Sasha: ah that
no not that I can remember of
Sasha: maybe I can find it out?
Andrius: yes, please do
and please write a letter about yourself
and afterwards I will send you a check for 100 USD by mail
for the first 100 entries?
and if you can do more than I can send you more
Sasha: do you think I am making too many entries in m yfoodstory?
Andrius: no, not at all
we need them for our bonuses
it's very very important
the more you can work, the better
I would be happy to send you 500 USD for 500 entries
Sasha: ok I will push it as much as I can in the time ahead
Sasha: I would really be happy :)
Andrius: I would be happy, too
especially if you can do them fast
Sasha: but you know I have read fantastic articles doing this
I lose mucht time by reading them but they are excellent
Is it a problem I have heavily used the beekeping theme?
since I am a beekeeper
that is a familiar territry to me
Andrius: no, it is good if you focus on a particular crop
Sasha: I can do them fast
Andrius: and it is excellent if you can focus on a crop that is in
Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia
so if you find a crop that seems very relevant to "meaningful inclusion"
that is excellent
and if you find a technology or methodology that is related, that is very
and then I can look for additional funding
Also, if we can encourage people in our BOS group to write about farmers,
that is good.
They can write in Bosnian-Serbian-Croatian.
Sasha: yeah, I have meet with with a young men from England he had made a
film related to beekeeping in Yugoslavia and theinfluences of war
Andrius: My policy is to be extra supportive of the Bosnians because
they have suffered greatly.
Sasha: I wass his translator in an OS mode
We have all sufered greatly
Sasha: not to diminsh anyone
Andrius: But some because of what they have inflicted upon themselves
and others because of what was inflicted upon them by others.
Sasha: hm, I understand what are you saying.
Andrius: And it is very sad when the victim has to go to the other side
and encourage them to heal and be ignored.
Sasha: I dont agree completely,but ...
Andrius: I take this approach because I believe it will help all heal.
Sasha: yes I know
Andrius: I appreciate your great sensitivity.
Not very conflict is "symmetric".
Sasha: dont worry Andrius talking had not killed anyone
Andrius: OK, this is a great start
and please keep in touch
you are a great worker
Sasha: Yes Andrius you have a typical westerner view on all this,
we will discuss it if we see each other in reallity sometimes
Andrius: and also online
Sasha: thanks Andrius,you are the first one to tell me this
yes why not.
do you love history?
Andrius: we'll see where your quest for "rightful living" takes us
I am a little interested
but I should go now
Sasha: all right
rightfull living takes me to the future not past
but they are somewhat conected...
thanks for the chat, I will inform you about the work...
Andrius: I will share our chat
except for your address
maybe also not the part about history since that can be troublesome maybe
Andrius: it would be best for us to show it. May I?
Sasha: Yes, why not
Andrius: thank you very much
Sasha: Thank you!
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