Cameroon & Markus Petz: Food stories for societal responsibility
- Markus Petz and I chatted today about his team for My Food Story which we will
feature in March. His deepest value is "meaningful inclusion". His team will
focus especially on various kinds of (herbal) tea. The related
technology/methodology is "societal responsibility".
I asked him to provide a question that we might explore with him as we
collect food stories. His question is:
How can individual and collective efficacies be empowered without sacrificing
individual liberty nor cultivating societal decadence (liberal but not
libertine being the goal)?
I am very interested that our leaders provide and explore such questions
because by collecting related food stories we ensure the long term
significance of our work and also we show to potential clients and funders
why it is very useful to accumulate such first hand accounts.
Also, we're very interested that Wendi and her colleagues in Cameroon work
for us so that they could have a computer. We can provide the computer in
advance and you can do the work afterwards. Please let us know, is it better
to send a computer or for you to buy one? I imagine that it may be better
for you to buy one. How much would that cost? I can send 200 USD if you
agree to collect 200 short stories for us about individual farmers in your
area, why are they interesting and how might we contact them. If you can pay
special attention to herbal tea growers and show a variety of social
conditions and social arrangements, then that is especially helpful.
I share our chat.
Andrius: My goals are:
… 1) meet targets so that we get our bonuses
Markus: and then the number of stiroies
… to get bonuses
Andrius: that is 300 directory entries and 10 stories
Markus: so far the stories have been v few
Andrius: or more if possible.
Markus: SO I will be working directly to get a lot of stories all next
Andrius: 2) have a related direction where we expect to build momentum
out into the future
Markus: status on the subteams
Markus: Ruben - sent mails to various folks he has some positive replies,
but so far 1 story
… heather - she has connected with 1 person
… 'and submitted 1 story
Markus: I asked her for update on progress etc, no more yet
… He sent an email saying hwo importnat food is and wnats to motivate folksl
… BUT so far no stiries
… 1 indian guy in his team eager to do stuff, but the leadrership has not
… Prakesh sent that mail to social agriculture
… so will try and work more closely with him on this
… and possibly change team leader
… Finninsh contact no reply yet
… this is 4 subteams
… for 4 areas
… not sure why they are NOT producing stories
Andrius: Let's back up a step
Markus: so I will put some example stories there and hopefully it will be
clearer what is OK
Andrius: What is your overall goal?
… What would you like to achieve going out into the future?
Markus: 2 goals
… 1. Get stories for MY FOOD STORY and thus bonuses
… these shoudl eb examples and show MEaningful inclusion as you need for
… 2. Get several peoepl together who have an interst and network together so
collectively we can explore aspects of meaningful inclusion
Andrius: OK so let's focus on2
Markus: I want to develop the Meaningful Inclusion so that it is a model
that others can apply in different spheres
Andrius: what do you mean by meaningful inclusion?
Markus: so for example Ecosynnergy Art
… well I put a little on the website
… but in this case Ecosynnergy art woudl be non-exploitative
… artists would be respected, but also promoters
… 'and public coming to view
… so artists woudl have some control of how it was exhibited, arranging of
workshops for example
… Art would be sold with arrangements that prevent profiteering
… and public would be able to interavct with process
… it would also be sumpathetic to cultural aspects and environemntal aspects
… so a gallery might include art descriptions in say lithuanian and english
… and there would be waste minimization wherever possible
… so food for opening locally sourced organic'
… packing and tarnsport of materials and those coming to gallery woudl aim
for low carbon footprints
… You will see that meaningful inclusion is quite wide
… But lets look at 1 for a ,momemt
… WITH MY FOOD STORY
… I knwo the sort of stories I want to find (I am sure osme exist)
… but its a case of looking them out
… so the farming colective rather than exploitative capitalism
Andrius: Markus, I will update you and others on my thinking.
Markus: the trade cards as produced by sellers that consumers swapped
stregnthening comunities etc.
… I am all ears
Andrius: What I think would be most helpful is if you and other leaders
might work as investigators.
Andrius: So you have an Investigatory question
… and you use the base of stories as a way to test your question.
… so its a Hypothesis
Andrius: So, for example, what is a question that you'd like to explore
regarding Meaningful Inclusion?
Markus: Are peopel happier in a meaninfgful included environment?
… So I might measure that in sickness in employment place
… staff turn over
Andrius: So why is that question important to you?
Markus: Hmnn its hard to say WHY its important to me.
Andrius: I ask because it's an Are question.
Markus: I thin it taps into avoiding problems
Andrius: So it may just generate a Yes or a No. But that's not a lot
of information. So it seems that there's perhaps other questions lurking
… Or that it's not a question at all, it's a presumption.
… Or a set up for a justificiation.
… It's not open ended.
Markus: and avoiding problems gives greater freedom to persue other
… and explore, suceed
Andrius: Whereas Why, How, What questions are more open and so allow
for knowledge to reach us.
Markus: part of natural drive within us all
Andrius: So how would you phrase the "avoiding problems" as a question
you don't know the answer to, but wish to answer?
Markus: well its about eficacies
… And you have that with FIND BETTER WAYS
… but for me it is - how can we empower collective efficacy rather than
… How can we empower collective efficacy rather than individual?
Markus: sorry that is now a question
… it also links in with a question on liberty and machines
Andrius: why would you want to empower the one over the other?
Markus: Because I think that largely individual efficacy has been well
explored and is easily seen in the Wesytern culture I grew up in
… and yet collective is not seen so much
… it is more common in the Asian and Arabic cultures
… still ther is a balance of the 2
… and also exploring how both can be balanced and increased.
… But that is again another question.
Andrius: The "rather than" sticks out I guess.
… Because it's a built in assumption that perhaps is not relevant.
… Would it be enough to ask: How can we empower collective efficacy?
Markus: How can individual and collective efficacies be empowered without
sacrificing individual liberty nor societal degredation?
Andrius: That is a strong question I think.
Markus: degredation is the wrong word
… i search the word
… that is the word
… 'like liberty to libertine
Markus: liberal to libertine
… yes it is a stronger question
Andrius: Please phrase it again...
Markus: and its very broad!
Andrius: are you for or against social decadence?
Markus: How can individual and collective efficacies be empowered without
sacrificing individual liberty (liberalness and not libertine being the goal)
nor societal decadence?
… well I am a Green Black anarchist
… so decadence is not something i support
… this get s complicated!
… The Balck Panther Party
… developed Marx' idea of the Lumpen Proletartiat
… Black Panther Party
Andrius: yes but your question says "without sacrificign societal
Markus: said that the Lumpen Proletariat (that is those that are not
workers and not owners)
… could be divided into the criminal and non criminal
… marx said they were only criminal
… I am interstefd i nthe non-criminal
… and that aspect then has big questions about society
… yes my syntax still needs improving!
… shoudl be sacrificing society to decadence
… so I am infavor of society but not decadence
… but then I need to define what I regard as society
… abnd as
… and what decadence is
Andrius: How can individual and collective efficacies be empowered
without sacrificing individual liberty nor cultivating societal decadence
(liberal but not libertine being the goal)?
… that is correct
… i do not want decadence
… i want society to function
… as a skeleton to give supprt
… nota straight jacket to stiffle
… there is an element that has been looked at with the progression of a
society from foundation
… by pioneers
… to a middle period looking back with nostlagia at heroes
… and then to decline and dissolution and possible disappearance
… i am intersted in not having the decline
… or how transition is managed
… how it keeps vibrant
… when there is a pressure to cope with new stresses societies tend to be
creative and growing
… but after a while this goes
… how can we keep that creativity?
… It links in with Hobbes Machines that he talks of in the Leviathan.
… and i think the answers may lie in creating and destroying machines
… and that this creates a society
… But I did not explore enough to be sure
… for example some US laws used to forbid corporations lasting longer thana
certain time. they were not legal persons and had to be woudl up and assets
… at that time the US grew a huge amount
… and the corps were essentially benign
… or maybe not
… haven't been able to do research on that yet
Markus: also need to rsch more in individual
… and parts they play
Andrius: so one goal is to collect stories that are related to your
Markus: history is made my movements but shaped by individuals - discuss
as my Advanced Level History apaper asked
Andrius: Now in order to flesh it out even further
… it would be helpful to try to focus at least partly on a particular crop,
… as you are, yes?
Markus: yes I am focussin on teas!
… hence mail to Roy Moxham
Andrius: and now is there a particular technology or methodology or
innovation that you're interested in?
Markus: and Billy Connolly stry
… well for me at crop level it will be what motivates the workers to do a
… weed the teas
… harvest the right leaves
… so is that profit share?
… collective ownership?
… fair price in europe?
… participation with the consumers?
… that is the meaningful inclusion aspect
Andrius: What economic arrangement is the best motivation for tea
… but maybe i find other things too
… but "economy" is narrow
… in Venezual they are working for less than minimum wage
… so the money is not the thing
… not the only thing
Andrius: What social arrangement is the best motivation for tea
Markus: but yes there is a wider use of economics
… is a good way to put it!
Andrius: What socio-economic arrangement is the best motivation for tea
Markus: What socio-economic arrangement is the best motivation for tea
… we agree!
… and that does encompass the consumer end too
Andrius: Now, what do you think or suppose is the answer?
Markus: as they are part of that arrangement
… Well if I was to guesstimate
… I would say one where they are getting a good amount of the profit
… they feel that they are appreciated as producers
… Remember I have worked in fields
… harvesting crops
… and that they feel all the workers along the chain are benefiting
… Chavez - Hugo Chavez I think
… who was a Mexican activist looked at this
Andrius: so what is your guess as to a helpful arrangement?
Markus: you can read his and similar stories on this in José Bove's book
Andrius: which would help us focus our efforts
… 'you are helpful in this regard!
… Pour la désobéissance civique (2004) with Gilles Luneau
… is the book
… hey andrius anything else you want to discuss??
Markus: book only available in french
Andrius: OK so how would you call that approach in English?
Markus: how is the trip?
… José calls is Civil Disobeidiance
… BUT I woudl say rather its Societal Responsibility
Andrius: Societal Responsibility - we can list that as your
Markus: for example the US constituion says the Right to bear arms to
defend liberty is an example of this
… Or maybe Societal Duty
… Responsibility sounds better
Andrius: OK, Societal Duty
… OK, Societal Responsibility
Markus: Social Responsibility
Andrius: yes OK
… Social Responsibility
Markus: no you are right Societal Responsibility
… Societal Responsibility
Markus: is better as its to a society rather than just social
Andrius: So now our goal is to collect related stories.
… Of course, if we get some extra stories that's fine for our bonuses.
Andrius: But at least there is an overall direction so we can be
helpful to each other.
… we have clarity
Andrius: So I can ask our workers in Africa to look for different
societal arrangements, yes?
Markus: do you want to distil or shall I?'
Andrius: And see both the good or the bad
… I will share our whole chat
… and then we can rewrite parts of it.
Markus: and then post to wiki and social ag and mf grps
… share all!
Andrius: So I have some funds that I will use to get you extra workers,
Markus: hey on aslightly realted matter
… cameroon sounds good
Andrius: and make sure that your team
Markus: what is the story there?
Andrius: knows your question and
… pursues it from its angle.
Andrius: And please lets involve Prakash
… and share your communication through Meaningful Inclusion so I can see,
Markus: I will try - did you chat with him via skype yet?
Andrius: try to write publicly wherever you can
… no I have not
Andrius: but great if you can
Markus: one other aside thing
… I am trying to set up a Baltic art show
… new talent
… or newish
… can you show stuff in Lithuania
… and do you have some artists interested in showing abroad
… so far here in Finalnd
… and Riga
Andrius: I have some great artist friends
… you gave me an artist book when ou came to UK
… and i saw some art stuff in your place
… its with Benesek
Andrius: yes we have artisits
… best if I can have 1 contact
… and then can develop
Andrius: in Cameroon, Franz Nahrada has old contacts in a women's
organization Actwid Kongadzem
… so I ask Franz?
Andrius: and he sent them computers many years ago but it didnt' work
out because they didn't have Linux administrator
… and now also Janet Feldman knows them
… but now we're trying again
Andrius: to get them a computer
Markus: you know about Computer Aid
… in the UK?
… biggest in world
Andrius: that's good to know
Markus: you can apply online
… also ISOC
… is worth approachin
… I think Samwel has some contacts there
Markus: and they fit more in stuff we are doing
Andrius: so they grow a tea called artimesium
… I will explore!
Andrius: ok this has been great
… and I will work with others to work in a similar way.
Markus: for me too!
Andrius: And please lets keep adding entries!
… Do you know how to do them?
Markus: as I know lab funding is importamt
Andrius: yes indeed
Markus: well I am an ISOC member before leaving for UK
… and I used to work in PC industry
… leaving from UK I mean'
… there is a good UK contact
… and now there is a pan african office to support funding and projects
… in Sudan I think?
… here is the African buro
… anyway others can explore that I am too busy for much in africa
Andrius: Yes, you just provide a direction.
… And "include" everybody.
… well i go now
… so take care!
- Dear all,I would love to share this with you from Tanzania,Samwel Okech kongereNyamuga primary schoolP.O BOX 191,MBITA 040305-KENYA.Cell: +254 725 600 439FOSS ADMIRERCommunity DevelopmentUDOGO youth development group-coordinator
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- Dear Helen, William, Josephat and Samwel,I really enjoyed reading Uyoga report. I appreciate you strategy to contact associations to learn from their experience. I think that involving children in environmental issues and sport is very important too. Please answer soon to Andrius email providing your personal information for myfoodstory project.By my side I'm working, as a member of "Miche" with other small associations in Rome dealing with Africa to coordinate our efforts to find financial support, sharing ideas and possibly know how and facilities.Do you plan to coordinate foodstory collection in other areas too? I could contact some friends in Ifakara and put you in touch with them.Keep in touch. All the best!Maria Agnesesamuel kongere <samkongere2004@...> ha scritto:Dear all,I would love to share this with you from Tanzania,Samwel Okech kongereNyamuga primary schoolP.O BOX 191,MBITA 040305-KENYA.Cell: +254 725 600 439FOSS ADMIRERCommunity DevelopmentUDOGO youth development group-coordinator
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