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Re: [holistichelping] Engaging COL for sharing ways of figuring things out

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  • Janet Feldman
    Dear Andrius, Mark, Franz, and All, Thanks for this enthusiastic and inspiring letter, and for communications by Mark and Franz, which move us forward as to
    Message 1 of 2 , Feb 18, 2011
      Dear Andrius, Mark, Franz, and All,

      Thanks for this enthusiastic and inspiring letter, and for communications by Mark and Franz, which move us forward as to sharing and also figuring :)).

      Andrius, I will be delighted to contact Krishna: I actually owe him a letter, so will write to him one-on-one, and mention this in the process. If he agrees, I will also link the two of you directly. It's possible he will not want to engage directly about COL, as he has retired and is no longer with them, but in any case, I'm sure he will have some great suggestions he can make either to you, or to me for you.

      I think these questions, engagements, and concerns are relevant to all of the forums you cc, so I hope you and we continue to do so.

      Mark and Franz, I hope to join the conversation you have just been having at Global Villages! And to respond to your letter in more depth, Andrius.

      For the time being, I'll start with Krishna and COL, and look forward to caring and believing and acting (and to caring-believing-acting about caring-believing-acting too :))!

      Blessings to all (and Happy New Year if I have not said that earlier!!), Janet

      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...>
      >Sent: Feb 16, 2011 11:22 PM
      >To: globalvillages@yahoogroups.com, help group <holistichelping@yahoogroups.com>, livingbytruth@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [holistichelping] Engaging COL for sharing ways of figuring things out
      >Janet, Yes! I write to Holistic Helping
      >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/holistichelping/ because I think your
      >group is more relevant for this discussion than Franz Nahrada's Global
      >Villages. I also share with my own group, Living By Truth,
      >Yes, please do contact Krishna Alluri to ask who and how I might engage
      >within Commonwealth of Learning http://www.col.org I don't expect that
      >this would address my own short-term needs or even longer term needs.
      >But I think it would great if the "ways of figuring things out" might be
      >useful, perhaps in the form of games.
      >Today I drew a picture which I call "The House of Knowledge".
      >I don't expect anybody to understand it, but it summarizes my theory of
      >the ways of figuring things out:
      >I suppose what it says is that the goal of learning is to have the
      >fullness of mind needed to truly obey. On the one hand, it starts with
      >caring (being open to all outside us) and then recursively caring about
      >caring (growing our mind), caring about caring about caring (recognizing
      >our limits), caring about caring about caring about caring
      >(acknowledging what transcends our limits). On the other hand, it
      >starts with believing (referencing the absolute within us), believing in
      >believing (allowing for others), believing in believing in believing
      >(empathizing with their views), believing in believing in believing in
      >believing (fostering the spirit amongst us). This growth in awareness
      >is fueled by "relative learning" on specific matters through a cycle of
      >taking a stand, following through and reflecting. That is essentially
      >the scientific method, but we may apply it subjectively. We can realize
      >that we are vulnerable to evil which may lead us astray in our
      >conclusions. As our caring and believing unfold, we allow for a Person,
      >a person-in-general or simply Jesus, who does what any good person would
      >do, so that Caring about One is the same as Believing in One. Then we
      >live that Person in four ways: Knowing Whether-What-How-Why One Knows.
      >We thereby relate to ourselves in every way as Believers and Carers.
      >Attention goes from whoever believes to whatever they care about in six
      >ways, for example, Believer in Why caring about Whether. These pair
      >ways of giving attention (why:concentrating, how:distinguishing,
      >what:tracking) and what we give attention to (whether:whole, what:part,
      >how:structure). These six ways have us think in terms of a conceptual
      >language of absolute truth. The six ways are united in the perspective
      >that believing is wider than caring, and this common outlook is God's
      >perspective, which we take up by obeying. That's my summary of the big
      >picture and I'm working to flesh it out.
      >More simply, I have trouble making the most of life here and now. There
      >is so much temptation to tune myself out and shut myself down. It's
      >beyond my will to care to live forever. Yet there may be a God who
      >loves me more than I love myself, wants me to be alive, sensitive,
      >responsive more than I do. Such a God wants me to live forever, and
      >grow forever, thus to learn forever. That is the will of God. How
      >might I follow the will of God? I could simply obey. But I fear losing
      >my freedom. Instead, I could believe one who does obey, such as Jesus,
      >and follow his path and thus end up where he ends up. But there are
      >many good reasons not to believe. If I have grown up believing something
      >else, then I should be able to be true to my belief, whatever it is, for
      >otherwise I'm not believing absolutely. Instead of obeying or
      >believing, I claim that it is enough to care. If we care, then we will
      >appreciate the success of the one who believes, and we will walk with
      >them and end up in the same place. But our path will likely be much
      >longer and harder. So be it. As people who care, we can share a
      >culture of truth where, in each little domain, we can take our little
      >leap of faith, and exercise our particular way of figuring things out.
      >Through the integrity of those ways we can all vouch for the truth and
      >participate in a culture of absolute knowledge as evident in our
      >figuring things out so that all truth is available and tangible. As we
      >practice this, and as we grow familiar with God who we engage in each
      >particular way, then we can dare to try out many other ways, so that God
      >and truth become absolutely real. Thus we appreciate the sense of
      >believing, and even more, the sense in obeying. Yet we also see that
      >forever we can learn by engaging others in the particular domains where
      >they feel safe and learning along with them to grow beyond that. And so
      >we all grow as one in the truth.
      >Here's a letter I wrote to http://groups.google.com/group/mathfuture/
      >where I write more about my current goals.
      >Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
      >My real passion is to build a directory of "ways of figuring things out"
      >in all manner of fields, including math, science, engineering, medicine,
      >law, finance, theater, art, music, governance, agriculture, sports,
      >ethics, teaching, learning and many more. Here's my proposal:
      >http://www.selflearners.net/Business/Proposal and here are 200+ ways
      >that I've figured things out in my philosophy and my life:
      >http://www.selflearners.net/ways/ Ultimately, I want to express them as
      >games. Thus I'm active in the Gamestorming community for business
      >innovation: http://www.gogamestorm.com/?p=536
      >How might I best seek support, private or public, for such Public Domain
      >Andrius, What sort of support do you seek? Suppose you have all the
      >support you need - what will the support and your tasks look like?
      >Cheers, Maria Droujkova'
      >Thank you for asking!
      >I look forward to writing a longer reply.
      >What I plan to do these next few years, regardless of support, is:
      >* Create a conceptual map of how various ways of figuring things out are
      >related. Today I improved my sketch and I hope to put that up soon.
      >That makes the big picture navigable.
      >* Write up the hundreds of ways that I myself have used, with personal
      >examples, and relate them to other people's work, too.
      >* In each domain, interview creative people, document ways that they've
      >figured things out, and relate that to the big picture.
      >So there will be a growing web resource. I plan to start it out myself
      >until it's quite clear what it looks like. I very much like the idea
      >that Mike and Linda had about documenting people's solving process.
      >Yes, I very much want to do that. But I'd like to do it especially with
      >real life problems. Here's a method that I wrote up, "Deduce geometry
      >from network", which includes a philosophical investigation where math
      >is relevant:
      >Here I describe how I thought through my Gamestorming cheat sheet:
      >At some point I hope to work out a template by which people could
      >contribute thousands of solutions.
      >As a business, the simplest would be if I could find "angel customers"
      >and ultimately, real customers, who would pay me $5,000 or $10,000 to
      >share and document methods in their field of interest. Here's my list
      >of prospects:
      >For example, Stephen Wolfram of Wolfram Alpha, Mathematica and "A New
      >Kind of Science" could fund me to work this out in Mathematics. The
      >Dachis Group could fund me to research business innovation methods.
      >Jeff Arnold and ShareCare could fund me to document and share the ways
      >conclusions are drawn in medicine. There are dozens of domains and
      >dozens of wealthy innovators who could sponsor me. We could surely
      >structure my work to benefit them. In particular, I could be engaging
      >online communities and crediting them for their support. I and my lab,
      >Minciu Sodas, in 2008 pioneered such online outreach as an authentic and
      >effective form of advertising:
      >There are so many domains, that I could work for my whole life and do
      >quite well, serving 6 to 12 customers per year at $5,000 to $10,000. At
      >this point, it's my best idea, but not too likely.
      >So support would look like:
      >* Some income.
      >* Customers who care about specific domains and outreach to online
      >* Creative people who I could interview in the Public Domain.
      >* Feedback on the write-ups, what's useful, if anything. Which domains
      >are most interesting.
      >* I can code and draw and design, but at some point, it could be great
      >to have help, but that's not key now.
      >* I look forward to people contributing directly, but it's too early for
      >As this progresses, I want to create all manner of games, like my
      >Face-the-Facts Phonics Flash Cards http://www.face-the-facts.com or
      >related to my math book that I'm working on, and some of those could
      >certainly generate income. I like the Kickstarter
      >http://www.kickstarter.com "all or nothing" way of pooling, but
      >unfortunately, they rejected my proposal for the phonics flash cards:
      >I'm in the heart of Chicago's South Side, a huge Black American
      >community, both distraught and inspiring, where I am very loved. I
      >believe it's a perfect place for launching a culture, much like Lord
      >Baden-Powell did with scouting. I want a culture of self learners as I
      >write at http://www.selflearners.net The point of all of these ways
      >and games is to connect with people in a deep way where we can truly be
      >substitutes for each other as we figure out all there is in life. So it
      >will be extremely relevant to apply "figuring things out" to life at the
      >bottom of the racial caste system.
      >I'll write more. I appreciate our thoughts, questions, suggestions.
      >I write to "Math Future" http://groups.google.com/group/mathfuture/ and
      >also my working group "Living by Truth"
      >Andrius Kulikauskas
      >+1 (773) 306-3807
      >Twitter: @selflearners
      >2011.02.16 00:14, Janet Feldman rašė:
      >> Dear All,
      >> Great discussion, to which I hope to make a more in-depth contribution at some point. For now, I wanted to jump in to say that I would be happy to ask Krishna Alluri--formerly of COL, and with whom I am still in touch--about who to approach within COL, and/or how to approach COL, with what Mark is suggesting.
      >> Our mutual relationship with COL started with a chance meeting in an eforum between myself and Krishna--an education specialist at COL--and from that developed the Kenya-based GRASSUP NOW, which stands for "Grassroots Underpinnings: Poverty alleviation, Nutrition, ODL/ICTs, Women." KAIPPG (www.kaippg.org), oneVillage (via its Kenya country office at the time), and two other Kenyan nonprofits participated.
      >> Krishna and I first had personal discussions about how COL might be helpful in a development project with certain elements (these eventually became reflected in the project title), and I in turn invited several groups to participate in the discussions--among them oneVillage--which led to creation of the project.
      >> Mark was especially helpful in working to "concretize" the template I proposed for the project, and those details became invaluable to its acceptance. OVF then went on to develop and implement their own project linked to their Ghana office.
      >> GRASSUP NOW operated outside of the usual COL grants structure. There are grants that COL gives every couple years, as part of its COL-Protein program, but--as far as I recall and know--there is no ongoing grants program to which one can apply. Mark, was the OVF Ghana project a COL-Protein grantee, or did you do the same thing with Krishna that happened in Kenya, ie an individual project developed with help from Krishna?
      >> I think whatever might be proposed in this setting would benefit from the "individualized" track GRASSUP took. I'm not sure if there is someone now who has taken over Krishna's position and capacity to work outside the usual "system," but we can ask. I can also ask about opportunities for individuals, like Andrius.
      >> Thanks for putting on your thinking cap, Mark, as the results are always exciting and beneficial (and definitely worth toasting with a night cap :))! With thanks and appreciation, Janet
      >Hello Janet!
      >Thank you very much for this review, which is helping me to remember
      >those intensely interesting events, and telling me bits I did not really
      >understand then, about the back-story. However, I still do not remember
      >whether Ghana was part of COL-protein.
      >I do think that, based on who Andrius is and what he has to offer, as
      >well as his sometimes strong preferences, it is important to at least
      >explore with COL the idea of adding his perspective to their training,
      >rather than giving him some money to do something. Partly because they
      >only fund people from / working in the British Commonwealth, and already
      >deeply engaged with communities. I am looking for the process to result
      >in some sort of staff role for Andrius, worked out in a way that enables
      >him to thrive by contributing, and hopefully, takes his emphasis on
      >individuals to the next level -- individuals making a difference in
      >community, by making their perspectives relevant and powerful within it.
      >I thought his list was a good starting point for a training kit.
      >Once COL people can see and appreciate Andrius in such a role, he might
      >work with a community to develop an Open and Distance Learning (ODL)
      >module that teaches the tools in his training kit. ODL is the common
      >denominator in COL grants, and it was emphasized in the last 3 or 5 year
      >plan they wrote that I read, a few years ago. Andrius, (switching to
      >second person now), you can find abundant literature on ODL theory and
      >development in their website (they Google-ized a million bibliographical
      >links, about half on education and about half on sustainability). If you
      >get to Vancouver, you can also have free run of their physical library,
      >and probably sit in on ODL training sessions.
      >The reason for the emphasis on ODL is that they zeroed in on the
      >drop-out rate in the transition from primary to secondary school, in
      >places where poverty is entrenched. They are committed to developing the
      >informal educational sector, as are both Janet and Andrius, and Ed
      >Cherlin as well, in order to meet the needs of millions of children
      >whose parents can no longer keep them in the formal education system.
      >Andrius, another possible avenue to explore is Ed's new book on what
      >children can figure out for themselves, and what adults need to show
      >them, in the XO computer. Ed is also a mathematician, as you are, and
      >has developed ideas for teaching math at the levels children are
      >actually capable of absorbing; you might find a way of cooperating with
      >each other on that.
      >Please note our rule: Each letter sent to the Holistic Helping group enters the PUBLIC DOMAIN unless it explicitly states otherwise. Thank you! http://www.ethicalpublicdomain.org
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