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  • Sherrie Noble
    Hello Everyone, Good thought, prayers and care are going out to everyone who has stepped into the horrors in Haiti. I live near Boston as some may already
    Message 1 of 4 , Jan 14, 2010
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      Hello Everyone,

       

      Good thought, prayers and care are going out to everyone who has stepped into the horrors in Haiti. I live near Boston as some may already know. A medical team is being assembled to take experienced personnel into the area and we have reports of US Coast Guard ships already in place to start bring in essentials. Evidently the devastation is so extreme that access is all but impossible in many places.

       

      My thought is looking forward. Andrius, you and others have been developing citizen communications but from all I’ve seen the communications in disaster situations are often non-existent. Can we begin to develop a sort of infrastructure of the citizen sector for emergency communications paralleling the “ham radio” operators of the past? I’ve been reading reports of all but instantaneous translation capabilities coming available very soon, which will help. But what platform, what energy source(the hand cranking mechanism briefly tried on the XO of OLPC past might work and I’ve seen other hand powered radios for receiving but not transmitting) and who would make these available, when and how?

       

      The emergency supply services are heavily organized and still have trouble reaching people. IN the not too distant past the earthquake in China required a military response, Hurricane Katrina showed serious gaps in US disaster planning and the publicity has people trying to improve the situation, Burma’s governmental reaction kept the people isolated and suffering if all reports are accurate. Throughout all of these and now in Haiti perhaps we can best assist those living in the areas by finding ways to help the reconstruction which is done do proceed with the best possible approaches and not in ways guaranteed to set the state for yet another disaster. As we face the possibility of rising ocean levels rebuilding along ocean front land, using inadequate building materials and unimproved water systems are all topics in serious need of the spotlight we might be able to shine on them.

       

      While the “old” media and legal structures and financial  systems are adapting to the realities of technology why shouldn’t we do the obvious—be the media? Somehow we have found the time and skill to stay in touch and reach out to others.  Buildings and materials are different everywhere but basic standard physics and engineering share common features just as people share common internal biological organs no matter where they live. The idea that we can find new, healthier, safer and more life enhancing  ways to also share the experience we have named life in the one place we have as our shared home, earth, might find its strongest supporters in the survivors of disasters. They are the ones closest to knowing how truly fragile our existences all are, every day.

       

      If we come together and recognize this we might be able to begin to design a process which can be adapted(and improved as we learn new things along the way, of course) to almost any disaster, anywhere. Is anyone here experienced in disaster work in any way? What are your thoughts if you are? Andrius, this would need some ongoing structure for interaction with the formalized relief services already working in the world—and financial support, as always.

       

      We all care, we would not be doing what we are doing if we did not. It is my hope we can learn to care smart…in a lasting way, with a long range view toward a better world for everyone. The economists have to put their thinking hats on and devise those new businesses models I keep hearing praised—absent any specifics mind you. The lawyers and politicians need to find better ways to negotiate and we all need accurate data not crystal balls for trying to look into the future as best as we can but personally I prefer a goal of life in life rather than profit as life. Change takes time but can we perhaps start now?

       

      Avatar, the movie, is beautiful, has some interesting concepts but still, the ending is largely redundant. We have nowhere to go(as the invading resource miners did when they were sent “back home” in the movie) and we should be long past needing to kill each other to solve disagreements or manage resources. IF people have never been where we are now, population, tech, networks, etc, then, we do have to find new ways forward. I have listened and read here for quite some time—everyone is smart, determined and truly very impressive(strong, often in rather quiet ways but I’ve not seen many folks leave the discussions or stop the work). If the elders among us are out of ideas then it just might be up to us to come up with some new ones, together. Andrius—your thoughts on this? Tonight I heard the commentators almost in tears describing the buildings” pancaking” down floor by floor as they watched, the President saying he had time to find a bed but now he was working on rescuing the people. Where was he, and his predecessors when the building codes were developed, the construction contracts signed and the inspectors hired, trained and monitored?

       

      Simple truth—for every human life needlessly lost in an early death, for whatever reason, whatever potential that person held within themselves has been destroyed, forever. Tomorrow need not repeat yesterday—if we care enough to work to see the patterns we already know to be wrong identified, changed and stopped if necessary. For stopping I do not mean war, rather a holding pattern and conversations, education or new solutions in new ways. We are one whole—earth, people and nature. If we choose maybe we can help, holistically, to make life, for us all, better.

       

      If this idea meets with your approval Andrius and those who have set this up and have been far more active than I have been(although I do much the same work but elsewhere and a bit more quietly) I am willing to share ideas and try to find ways to effectively and responsibly move forward, together. No one can do this alone. Happily, we are not alone.

       

      Sherrie Ann Noble

      Sherrie@...

      Director

      NGIC

       

      From: holistichelping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:holistichelping@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janet Feldman
      Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:46 PM
      To: holistichelping@yahoogroups.com; nafsiafrikasaana@yahoogroups.com; help group
      Subject: Re: [holistichelping] Helping Haitians after their earthquake

       

       

      Dear Andrius, Philipp, and All,

      Immense thanks for forwarding my email, Andrius, which I was going to post here at Holistic Helping tonight. I have been trying to mull over ways in which I think we at HH and MS generally can be helpful in the immediate situation (I can imagine an ongoing "crisis response protocol", but that will be a longer term endeavor).

      Philipp, are you Haitian, or in Haiti? I have not been aware of any Haitian members in our MS-family forums.

      Andrius and anyone else, any ideas about how we can be helpful? The communications challenge--due to lack of Internet access and weak signal strength for cellphones--is fairly daunting, but if I can establish and maintain contact with friends there, we might be able to brainstorm with them about what we could do.

      Immense thanks, all, and I look forward to working together in whatever way might be valuable for the Haitian people! All best wishes and blessings, Janet

      -----Original Message-----

      >From: Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...>
      >Sent: Jan 14, 2010 11:24 PM
      >To: nafsiafrikasaana@yahoogroups.com,
      help group <holistichelping@yahoogroups.com>
      >Subject: [holistichelping] Helping Haitians after their earthquake
      >
      >philipp h wrote:
      >>
      >>
      >> Will you do something for Haiti?
      >>
      >Hi Philipp,
      >
      >Will you?
      >
      >Here's a letter from Janet Feldman of Holistic Helping
      >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/holistichelping/
      >She has many contacts in Haiti.
      >
      >Andrius
      >
      >Andrius Kulikauskas
      >Minciu Sodas
      >http://www.ms.lt
      >ms@...
      >+370 699 30003
      >
      >--------------------------------
      >
      >Dear Friends,
      >
      >Following the devastating earthquake in Haiti on Tuesday, there have
      >been several citizen-media related resources posted that might be
      >helpful to members. Are there any Rising Voices members in Haiti? If so,
      >know that we are thinking of you and praying for your safety, as well as
      >for massive relief and reconstruction efforts!
      >
      >Below are some links to health materials in Kreyol, and a link to a
      >crisis reporting and mapping platform called Ushahidi, which was used
      >very successfully during the 2008 post-election violence in Kenya.
      >
      >Ushahidi in general is especially interested to work with women's groups
      >(the creator/founder is a Kenyan woman), so if you know of any in Haiti
      >or elsewhere who would be interested in this service, please contact me
      >and I will pass that information along to them (unless there is a
      >Ushahidi rep here in this forum!).
      >
      >There is also a request from AMARC for reports about how community radio
      >stations in Haiti have fared, so if anyone knows anything, that would be
      >great. And the url for a new blog by journalist-filmmaker Anne-christine
      >d'Adesky, who has Haitian roots. Anne-christine helped Ushahidi to adapt
      >its platform for the crisis in Haiti.
      >
      >David, Solana, and/or anyone at GV-RV, are there any ideas or plans for
      >actions by GV-RV? It would be great to brainstorm about how citizen
      >media might be useful at such a time, and what is possible in this
      >particular situation, especially since blogging and other media that
      >rely on the Internet may not be that available within/from Haiti itself.
      >
      >Thanks to everyone for your caring, prayers, and actions, and blessings
      >to all!
      >
      >Janet Feldman
      >kaippg@...
      >
      >
      >Materials available in Haitian Creole from Hesperian Publications:
      >
      >Here is a link to a pdf of the the Haitian Creole edition of "Where
      >There is No Doctor":
      >
      href="http://www.hesperian.info/assets/Where_There_is_no_Doctor_Creole.pdf">http://www.hesperian.info/assets/Where_There_is_no_Doctor_Creole.pdf
      >Also available as a printed book from 4 The World Resource Distributers
      >www.4WRD.org
      >Tel: 417-862-4448
      >Fax: 417-863-9994
      >orders@...
      >
      >Link to a pdf of the Haitian Creole edition of "Where Women Have No
      Doctor":
      >
      href="http://www.hesperian.info/assets/hesperian_wwhnd_haitian%20creole_2000.pdf">http://www.hesperian.info/assets/hesperian_wwhnd_haitian%20creole_2000.pdf
      >
      >Link to a pdf of the Haitian Creole edition of Sanitation and
      >Cleanliness booklet:
      >
      href="http://www.hesperian.info/assets/PDF%20Kreyol%20sanitation%20book-1.pdf">http://www.hesperian.info/assets/PDF%20Kreyol%20sanitation%20book-1.pdf
      >produced by Hesperian partner, SOIL (Sustainable Organic Integrated
      >Livelihoods)
      >www.oursoil.org
      >
      >Link to a pdf of a cholera fact sheet in English:
      >http://www.hesperian.info/assets/environmental/Cholera_EN.pdf
      >
      >All of the above and other health materials in English and Spanish can
      >be downloaded here:
      >http://www.hesperian.org/publications_download.php
      >
      >*****************************************
      >News from Ushahidi (forwarded by journalist Anne-christine d'Adesky):
      >
      >Our colleagues at Ushahidi have adapted their interactive mobile
      >user-friendly online platform for crisis reporting and mapping of the
      >situation in Haiti following yesterday's devastating earthquake.
      >
      >Please let people know that within and outside Haiti one can report
      >directly to the site via a mobile phone or computer for oral, written,
      >and video upload posts. The Ushahidi site will then map the reports and
      >verify sources. They are hoping this can help people who are donating
      >to relief efforts, and mapping services to people urgently needing help.
      >
      >This platform has been used very successfully during the 2008 Kenya
      >post-election crisis, and the DRC war crisis. It can greatly aid relief
      >agencies know where help is most needed, and can document a range of
      >issues, including incidents of deaths, injuries, problems, crimes, and
      >where help is being offered. The site could be adapted to help track
      >reports of missing persons.
      >
      >Please spread the word as quickly as you can. Though cell phone and
      >landline use is very limited in Port-au-Prince, Skype reports are
      >getting through, and so are satellite phones.
      >
      >Link is: http://haiti.ushahidi.com
      >
      >Anne-christine d'Adesky--a journalist, filmmaker, part Haitian-American
      >in origin--has launched her own blog, as well as helping Ushahidi
      >develop its site for Haiti reporting: www.haitivox.com (a translation
      >tool for multiple language reading is available)
      >
      >**************************************
      > Hi Janet and all,
      >
      >I'd like to draw everyone's attention to the Special Coverage page at
      >Global Voices:
      >
      >
      href="http://globalvoicesonline.org/specialcoverage/haiti-earthquake-2010/">http://globalvoicesonline.org/specialcoverage/haiti-earthquake-2010/
      >
      >Our volunteers have been pulling together to bring coverage from
      >bloggers and twitterers in Haiti and the diaspora. Some of it has been
      >translated into English (and other languages via our Lingua project).
      >
      >If anyone has information that should be included in the Special
      >Coverage page, which also includes the Ushahidi initiative that you
      >mentioned, you may contact Janine Mendes-Franco, who is coordinating the
      >coverage. She can be contacted via her profile page:
      >http://globalvoicesonline.org/author/janine-mendes-franco/
      >
      >Thanks
      >
      >Eddie Avila
      >********************************************
      >
      >Dear Eddie and All,
      >
      >This is fantastic, thanks so much!! I have daily contact with Haitians
      >(in this country and in Haiti), and also with a listserv that is
      >featuring numerous reports from Haiti--including areas like Jacmel, far
      >from Port-au-Prince, the most reported-about area to be affected--so I
      >will contact Janine and pass along whatever seems relevant.
      >
      >I would be very interested to develop a "plan of action" or
      protocol for
      >these crisis situations, within the context of Rising Voices and Global
      >Voices. In fact, some of the participants in the Blogging Positively
      >project mentioned that using that e-guide in crisis situations--where
      >health matters, including HIV/AIDS, are so important--could be a highly
      >valuable contribution.
      >
      >We might link that to what Ushahidi is doing, too, so as to increase our
      >mutual effectiveness. I know the creator-founder of Ushahidi, and more
      >recently have been in touch with their international and Kenya reps, who
      >hope to expand use of the Ushahidi model and platform into any
      >situations of crisis, and also--from what I gather--into peace
      >"maintenance" (once re-established) situations, too.
      >
      >How to get the word out in situations where communications modes are
      >severely compromised (even moreso than usual in
      >infrastructure-challenged places generally) is a major consideration and
      >issue, and something we could discuss related to any plan or model for
      >action we might develop.
      >
      >Immense thanks again, Eddie and all, and very best wishes, Janet
      >(Feldman, kaippg@...)
      >
      >
      >
      >------------------------------------
      >
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    • Andrius Kulikauskas
      Philipp, Shellie, Janet, Thank you for your concern and practical suggestions. I share with some of our other groups. Jeff Archambeault tweeted about
      Message 2 of 4 , Jan 15, 2010
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        Philipp, Shellie, Janet, Thank you for your concern and practical
        suggestions. I share with some of our other groups. Jeff Archambeault
        tweeted about http://crisiscamp.org which is taking place this weekend
        in Washington DC, Silicon Valley, London.
        Andrius Kulikauskas, Minciu Sodas, http://www.ms.lt, ms@...

        philipp h wrote:
        > Because I saw that the only one airport is overflowed, and the helpers
        > want avoid logistic problems,
        > because a need of specialists and doctors, emergency medicaments...
        > I think the only things that we can do is to
        > make a gift to an NGo organism like Red cross or an other (depending
        > of the choice of each of us).
        >
        > With each sit or blog we get and create it simply to put a link as
        > this example:
        >
        > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq1uFln67QM
        >
        > This link retake some of the most important organisations of help. You
        > can use this link on your website if you want and as you want, to copy
        > it, or to retake it entirely. If you are inside one of these
        > organisations or an other wich is implicated in helping for Haiti, you
        > can contact me to had yours on the link.
        >
        > Philipp.
        >
        > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
        > To: holistichelping@yahoogroups.com; nafsiafrikasaana@yahoogroups.com;
        > holistichelping@yahoogroups.com
        > From: kaippg@...
        > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:46:01 -0500
        > Subject: [nafsiafrikasaana] Re: [holistichelping] Helping Haitians
        > after their earthquake
        >
        >
        > Dear Andrius, Philipp, and All,
        >
        > Immense thanks for forwarding my email, Andrius, which I was going to
        > post here at Holistic Helping tonight. I have been trying to mull over
        > ways in which I think we at HH and MS generally can be helpful in the
        > immediate situation (I can imagine an ongoing "crisis response
        > protocol", but that will be a longer term endeavor).
        >
        > Philipp, are you Haitian, or in Haiti? I have not been aware of any
        > Haitian members in our MS-family forums.
        >
        > Andrius and anyone else, any ideas about how we can be helpful? The
        > communications challenge--due to lack of Internet access and weak
        > signal strength for cellphones--is fairly daunting, but if I can
        > establish and maintain contact with friends there, we might be able to
        > brainstorm with them about what we could do.
        >
        > Immense thanks, all, and I look forward to working together in
        > whatever way might be valuable for the Haitian people! All best wishes
        > and blessings, Janet
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > >From: Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@... <mailto:ms@...>>
        > >Sent: Jan 14, 2010 11:24 PM
        > >To: nafsiafrikasaana@yahoogroups.com
        > <mailto:nafsiafrikasaana@yahoogroups.com>, help group
        > <holistichelping@yahoogroups.com <mailto:holistichelping@yahoogroups.com>>
        > >Subject: [holistichelping] Helping Haitians after their earthquake
        > >
        > >philipp h wrote:
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> Will you do something for Haiti?
        > >>
        > >Hi Philipp,
        > >
        > >Will you?
        > >
        > >Here's a letter from Janet Feldman of Holistic Helping
        > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/holistichelping/
        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/holistichelping/>
        > >She has many contacts in Haiti.
        > >
        > >Andrius
        > >
        > >Andrius Kulikauskas
        > >Minciu Sodas
        > >http://www.ms.lt <http://www.ms.lt>
        > >ms@... <mailto:ms@...>
        > >+370 699 30003
        > >
        > >--------------------------------
        > >
        > >Dear Friends,
        > >
        > >Following the devastating earthquake in Haiti on Tuesday, there have
        > >been several citizen-media related resources posted that might be
        > >helpful to members. Are there any Rising Voices members in Haiti? If so,
        > >know that we are thinking of you and praying for your safety, as well as
        > >for massive relief and reconstruction efforts!
        > >
        > >Below are some links to health materials in Kreyol, and a link to a
        > >crisis reporting and mapping platform called Ushahidi, which was used
        > >very successfully during the 2008 post-election violence in Kenya.
        > >
        > >Ushahidi in general is especially interested to work with women's groups
        > >(the creator/founder is a Kenyan woman), so if you know of any in Haiti
        > >or elsewhere who would be interested in this service, please contact me
        > >and I will pass that information along to them (unless there is a
        > >Ushahidi rep here in this forum!).
        > >
        > >There is also a request from AMARC for reports about how community radio
        > >stations in Haiti have fared, so if anyone knows anything, that would be
        > >great. And the url for a new blog by journalist-filmmaker Anne-christine
        > >d'Adesky, who has Haitian roots. Anne-christine helped Ushahidi to adapt
        > >its platform for the crisis in Haiti.
        > >
        > >David, Solana, and/or anyone at GV-RV, are there any ideas or plans for
        > >actions by GV-RV? It would be great to brainstorm about how citizen
        > >media might be useful at such a time, and what is possible in this
        > >particular situation, especially since blogging and other media that
        > >rely on the Internet may not be that available within/from Haiti itself.
        > >
        > >Thanks to everyone for your caring, prayers, and actions, and blessings
        > >to all!
        > >
        > >Janet Feldman
        > >kaippg@... <mailto:kaippg@...>
        > >
        > >
        > >Materials available in Haitian Creole from Hesperian Publications:
        > >
        > >Here is a link to a pdf of the the Haitian Creole edition of "Where
        > >There is No Doctor":
        > >http://www.hesperian.info/assets/Where_There_is_no_Doctor_Creole.pdf
        > <http://www.hesperian.info/assets/Where_There_is_no_Doctor_Creole.pdf>
        > >Also available as a printed book from 4 The World Resource Distributers
        > >www.4WRD.org
        > >Tel: 417-862-4448
        > >Fax: 417-863-9994
        > >orders@... <mailto:orders@...>
        > >
        > >Link to a pdf of the Haitian Creole edition of "Where Women Have No
        > Doctor":
        > >http://www.hesperian.info/assets/hesperian_wwhnd_haitian%20creole_2000.pdf
        > <http://www.hesperian.info/assets/hesperian_wwhnd_haitian%20creole_2000.pdf>
        > >
        > >Link to a pdf of the Haitian Creole edition of Sanitation and
        > >Cleanliness booklet:
        > >http://www.hesperian.info/assets/PDF%20Kreyol%20sanitation%20book-1.pdf
        > <http://www.hesperian.info/assets/PDF%20Kreyol%20sanitation%20book-1.pdf>
        > >produced by Hesperian partner, SOIL (Sustainable Organic Integrated
        > >Livelihoods)
        > >www.oursoil.org
        > >
        > >Link to a pdf of a cholera fact sheet in English:
        > >http://www.hesperian.info/assets/environmental/Cholera_EN.pdf
        > <http://www.hesperian.info/assets/environmental/Cholera_EN.pdf>
        > >
        > >All of the above and other health materials in English and Spanish can
        > >be downloaded here:
        > >http://www.hesperian.org/publications_download.php
        > <http://www.hesperian.org/publications_download.php>
        > >
        > >*****************************************
        > >News from Ushahidi (forwarded by journalist Anne-christine d'Adesky):
        > >
        > >Our colleagues at Ushahidi have adapted their interactive mobile
        > >user-friendly online platform for crisis reporting and mapping of the
        > >situation in Haiti following yesterday's devastating earthquake.
        > >
        > >Please let people know that within and outside Haiti one can report
        > >directly to the site via a mobile phone or computer for oral, written,
        > >and video upload posts. The Ushahidi site will then map the reports and
        > >verify sources. They are hoping this can help people who are donating
        > >to relief efforts, and mapping services to people urgently needing help.
        > >
        > >This platform has been used very successfully during the 2008 Kenya
        > >post-election crisis, and the DRC war crisis. It can greatly aid relief
        > >agencies know where help is most needed, and can document a range of
        > >issues, including incidents of deaths, injuries, problems, crimes, and
        > >where help is being offered. The site could be adapted to help track
        > >reports of missing persons.
        > >
        > >Please spread the word as quickly as you can. Though cell phone and
        > >landline use is very limited in Port-au-Prince, Skype reports are
        > >getting through, and so are satellite phones.
        > >
        > >Link is: http://haiti.ushahidi.com <http://haiti.ushahidi.com>
        > >
        > >Anne-christine d'Adesky--a journalist, filmmaker, part Haitian-American
        > >in origin--has launched her own blog, as well as helping Ushahidi
        > >develop its site for Haiti reporting: www.haitivox.com (a translation
        > >tool for multiple language reading is available)
        > >
        > >**************************************
        > > Hi Janet and all,
        > >
        > >I'd like to draw everyone's attention to the Special Coverage page at
        > >Global Voices:
        > >
        > >http://globalvoicesonline.org/specialcoverage/haiti-earthquake-2010/
        > <http://globalvoicesonline.org/specialcoverage/haiti-earthquake-2010/>
        > >
        > >Our volunteers have been pulling together to bring coverage from
        > >bloggers and twitterers in Haiti and the diaspora. Some of it has been
        > >translated into English (and other languages via our Lingua project).
        > >
        > >If anyone has information that should be included in the Special
        > >Coverage page, which also includes the Ushahidi initiative that you
        > >mentioned, you may contact Janine Mendes-Franco, who is coordinating the
        > >coverage. She can be contacted via her profile page:
        > >http://globalvoicesonline.org/author/janine-mendes-franco/
        > <http://globalvoicesonline.org/author/janine-mendes-franco/>
        > >
        > >Thanks
        > >
        > >Eddie Avila
        > >********************************************
        > >
        > >Dear Eddie and All,
        > >
        > >This is fantastic, thanks so much!! I have daily contact with Haitians
        > >(in this country and in Haiti), and also with a listserv that is
        > >featuring numerous reports from Haiti--including areas like Jacmel, far
        > >from Port-au-Prince, the most reported-about area to be affected--so I
        > >will contact Janine and pass along whatever seems relevant.
        > >
        > >I would be very interested to develop a "plan of action" or protocol for
        > >these crisis situations, within the context of Rising Voices and Global
        > >Voices. In fact, some of the participants in the Blogging Positively
        > >project mentioned that using that e-guide in crisis situations--where
        > >health matters, including HIV/AIDS, are so important--could be a highly
        > >valuable contribution.
        > >
        > >We might link that to what Ushahidi is doing, too, so as to increase our
        > >mutual effectiveness. I know the creator-founder of Ushahidi, and more
        > >recently have been in touch with their international and Kenya reps, who
        > >hope to expand use of the Ushahidi model and platform into any
        > >situations of crisis, and also--from what I gather--into peace
        > >"maintenance" (once re-established) situations, too.
        > >
        > >How to get the word out in situations where communications modes are
        > >severely compromised (even moreso than usual in
        > >infrastructure-challenged places generally) is a major consideration and
        > >issue, and something we could discuss related to any plan or model for
        > >action we might develop.
        > >
        > >Immense thanks again, Eddie and all, and very best wishes, Janet
        > >(Feldman, kaippg@... <mailto:kaippg@...>)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >------------------------------------
        > >
        > >http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?HolisticHelping
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