Re: [socialagriculture] Jeff, Thank you and let's think through
I hope provide a document detailing my project by the end of this week
(sunday) and more details abou the workshop in January in Kenya
>Thank you for your very supportive letters to all of us here.
>Yes, I can pay through OVF and that will also get around tax issues which
>arise because we're both US citizens and so I might otherwise have to do
>extra paperwork if I'm hiring you as an independent contractor.
>I'm excited about your trip to Africa. Please let us know more about dates
>and how Samwel Kongere and his team might connect with you. Will George
>Chan's meeting take place during, after or before the World Social Forum?
>Also, thank you for writing about Joy Tang
>http://www.onevillagefoundation.org in India for the Air Jaldi wifi summit!
>Jeff, could we feature your team in November for http://www.myfoodstory.com?
>Most of the work could be done later as we're building momentum for the long
>term. It would certainly help me out a lot and you have already done quite a
>lot indeed. Then I could focus on looking for a team for December, perhaps in
>Lithuania or perhaps in India/UK, I'm excited that Stan Thekaekera wrote and I
>would be very interested to involve Jinan Kodapully. I will also try to make
>some connections here in Israel with the kibbutz movement.
>Jeff, Please write more about how you envisage your project and your team and
>how you will organize, budget your funds ($500 for you plus and $400 for your
>team). If we could agree during next week then I could send you the money by
>PayPal. Also, do you know, are you charged a fee on your end?
>I agree with your holistic approaches (and those of others) but please help
>me and Greg engage the general public by showing how one particular key (such
>as farmed fish) can open up the whole can of worms. You get to choose the key
>and the can (you seem to have chosen well - farmed fish / sustainability /
>IF&WM ). Which is to say, it's about presenting a natural complexity to the
>human one-track-minds that we happen to have. Not denying the complexity,
>just trying to make it humanly digestible! Or think of it as a creative
>constraint, a constraint that brings out your creativity as you deal with it.
> Having said that, it's also about bringing attention to what you care about.
>In other words, how can we shift public interest in fish to public interest in
>IF&WM and hold all the people together because of their interest in you and
>sustainability and "back to the root". I remember a US public television
>series (Connections?) that traced how one historical coincidence led to
>another and their effects across the ages in terms of the growth and
>unfolding of ideas, understanding, technology, society. How can stories
>about "farmed fish" end up telling everything you want to say? I think they
>can and that is the kind of challenge that I'm hoping you might take up. Or
>what would you like to investigate, and how can fish be a starting point for
>Thank you for all your work! (470 letters at last count! and not only
>letters, thank you for your wiki pages and your work on-the-ground and
>in-your-mind and in-your-heart)
>+370 (699) 30003
>I will donate all funds to OVF and we have a paypal site. The easiest
>way would be to go to OVF site
>or i can create a separate PayPal account and you can send the money
>to me. This money will be used to finance work in developing IF&WMS in
>Africa, particularly a IF&WMS workshop in Kenya in January that will
>involve George Chan. I also plan to attend.
>In my view if we are going to consider any kind of commodity
>production (such as chocolate or coffee) in places like Africa it
>needs to be part of an integrated approach that includes consideration
>for urgent domestic needs. So the notion of Fair Trade needs to
>include where the investment from that commodity or value added
>product is going:
>- Is it going to produce more coffee for export, is it going to NYC or
>is the dividend balanced with some profits (in addition to livable
>wages) a net outflow and some being invested in local nutritution
>Does the farm impact the surrounding environment?
>- Is it better to dedicate agricultural lands to local production of
>staples and finance it with say biodiverity and carbon credits rather
>than with commodities?
>- We also need to look carefully at the trend lines of commodity
>production and consider the sustainable benchmarks for each of the
>commodities we are looking at. Are they already being exceeded and if
>so is there room in that benchmark for sustainable production to
>replace the unsustainable sector of the market?
>For more about how that integrated approach might be applied in a
>developing country please see Songhai Farm www.songhai.org (fish,
>pigs, fruit, etc) or Fantsuam Foundation www.fantsuam.com (fish, ICT,
>An IFS can be developed using the "liquor" from sugar refining (which
>might otherwise be burned or dumped in a river as a potential
>pollutant) to produce alcohol which then is inputted into the biogas
>system and then the integrated farm itself.
>I hope I am not overdoing it, but the point is that whether it is
>soyabean, coffee, chocolate, sugar, alcohol or fish, chickens or
>dairy, the ZERI model itself offers a complete ecosystem approach and
>the IF&WMS is a particular best practice or emerging best practice
>upon which that method can be applied.
>This is in my view the future of agriculture as compared to the
>current monoculture approach which views agriculture as simply growing
>a particular crop based on assumption that you can isolate that
>product from the diversity and complexity of systems that surround it.
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