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Re: [socialagriculture] Jeff, Thank you and let's think through

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  • Jeff Buderer
    Andrius, I hope provide a document detailing my project by the end of this week (sunday) and more details abou the workshop in January in Kenya thanks jeff.
    Message 1 of 2 , Oct 27, 2006
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      Andrius,

      I hope provide a document detailing my project by the end of this week
      (sunday) and more details abou the workshop in January in Kenya

      thanks

      jeff.

      ms@... wrote:

      >Jeff,
      >
      >Thank you for your very supportive letters to all of us here.
      >Yes, I can pay through OVF and that will also get around tax issues which
      >arise because we're both US citizens and so I might otherwise have to do
      >extra paperwork if I'm hiring you as an independent contractor.
      >
      >I'm excited about your trip to Africa. Please let us know more about dates
      >and how Samwel Kongere and his team might connect with you. Will George
      >Chan's meeting take place during, after or before the World Social Forum?
      >
      >Also, thank you for writing about Joy Tang
      >http://www.onevillagefoundation.org in India for the Air Jaldi wifi summit!
      >
      >Jeff, could we feature your team in November for http://www.myfoodstory.com?
      >Most of the work could be done later as we're building momentum for the long
      >term. It would certainly help me out a lot and you have already done quite a
      >lot indeed. Then I could focus on looking for a team for December, perhaps in
      >Lithuania or perhaps in India/UK, I'm excited that Stan Thekaekera wrote and I
      >would be very interested to involve Jinan Kodapully. I will also try to make
      >some connections here in Israel with the kibbutz movement.
      >
      >Jeff, Please write more about how you envisage your project and your team and
      >how you will organize, budget your funds ($500 for you plus and $400 for your
      >team). If we could agree during next week then I could send you the money by
      >PayPal. Also, do you know, are you charged a fee on your end?
      >
      >I agree with your holistic approaches (and those of others) but please help
      >me and Greg engage the general public by showing how one particular key (such
      >as farmed fish) can open up the whole can of worms. You get to choose the key
      >and the can (you seem to have chosen well - farmed fish / sustainability /
      >IF&WM ). Which is to say, it's about presenting a natural complexity to the
      >human one-track-minds that we happen to have. Not denying the complexity,
      >just trying to make it humanly digestible! Or think of it as a creative
      >constraint, a constraint that brings out your creativity as you deal with it.
      > Having said that, it's also about bringing attention to what you care about.
      >In other words, how can we shift public interest in fish to public interest in
      >IF&WM and hold all the people together because of their interest in you and
      >sustainability and "back to the root". I remember a US public television
      >series (Connections?) that traced how one historical coincidence led to
      >another and their effects across the ages in terms of the growth and
      >unfolding of ideas, understanding, technology, society. How can stories
      >about "farmed fish" end up telling everything you want to say? I think they
      >can and that is the kind of challenge that I'm hoping you might take up. Or
      >what would you like to investigate, and how can fish be a starting point for
      >that?
      >
      >Thank you for all your work! (470 letters at last count! and not only
      >letters, thank you for your wiki pages and your work on-the-ground and
      >in-your-mind and in-your-heart)
      >
      >Andrius
      >
      >Andrius Kulikauskas
      >Minciu Sodas
      >http://www.ms.lt
      >ms@...
      >+370 (699) 30003
      >
      >Andrius,
      >
      >I will donate all funds to OVF and we have a paypal site. The easiest
      >way would be to go to OVF site
      >http://www.onevillagefoundation.org/ovf/donations.html
      >
      >or i can create a separate PayPal account and you can send the money
      >to me. This money will be used to finance work in developing IF&WMS in
      >Africa, particularly a IF&WMS workshop in Kenya in January that will
      >involve George Chan. I also plan to attend.
      >
      >-----
      >
      >In my view if we are going to consider any kind of commodity
      >production (such as chocolate or coffee) in places like Africa it
      >needs to be part of an integrated approach that includes consideration
      >for urgent domestic needs. So the notion of Fair Trade needs to
      >include where the investment from that commodity or value added
      >product is going:
      >- Is it going to produce more coffee for export, is it going to NYC or
      >is the dividend balanced with some profits (in addition to livable
      >wages) a net outflow and some being invested in local nutritution
      >program?
      >Does the farm impact the surrounding environment?
      >- Is it better to dedicate agricultural lands to local production of
      >staples and finance it with say biodiverity and carbon credits rather
      >than with commodities?
      >- We also need to look carefully at the trend lines of commodity
      >production and consider the sustainable benchmarks for each of the
      >commodities we are looking at. Are they already being exceeded and if
      >so is there room in that benchmark for sustainable production to
      >replace the unsustainable sector of the market?
      >
      >For more about how that integrated approach might be applied in a
      >developing country please see Songhai Farm www.songhai.org (fish,
      >pigs, fruit, etc) or Fantsuam Foundation www.fantsuam.com (fish, ICT,
      >microfinance, etc)
      >
      >An IFS can be developed using the "liquor" from sugar refining (which
      >might otherwise be burned or dumped in a river as a potential
      >pollutant) to produce alcohol which then is inputted into the biogas
      >system and then the integrated farm itself.
      >
      >I hope I am not overdoing it, but the point is that whether it is
      >soyabean, coffee, chocolate, sugar, alcohol or fish, chickens or
      >dairy, the ZERI model itself offers a complete ecosystem approach and
      >the IF&WMS is a particular best practice or emerging best practice
      >upon which that method can be applied.
      >
      >This is in my view the future of agriculture as compared to the
      >current monoculture approach which views agriculture as simply growing
      >a particular crop based on assumption that you can isolate that
      >product from the diversity and complexity of systems that surround it.
      >
      >Jeff
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