Re: [holistichelping] Re: My position: to stop
- Salut Agnese, Andrius and all,I am here to side along with the bond with Andrius and Agnese, praying for the genuine siding along needed, growing up as God's children who are answering the calling of spreading the Kingdom of God with the seed of eternal life.When I was 20 years old, I told my parents that we were brothers and sister. They both agreed to disagreed with me.Twenty years later, my dad said during a 3 ways phone conversation along with my mom on another phone in the house: "You know Benoit, the more we grow older, the more we realize that parents is only there until we become brothers and sisters!"I asked them both, do you remember when I told you that when I was 20?""No", they said...At the source of all authorities, there is The Authority. Extended families or natural nuclear families or just plain neighbourhoods, God's blessing is bring each and all from the spiritual division of human DNA to the organic experience of spiritual unity, where the source of empowerment is, personally and communally.The parenting is the authority, brotherhood and sisterhood is the celebration of THE AUTHORITY, where the gates of hell shall not prevail!Let us all learn to breath-in-and-out The Perpetual Celebration of Easter upon The Land of Emmanuel, so that the Spirit of Chrismas and of Easter may spread everywhere that we are, at all time, as opposed to going on traditionally with some kind of religiously man-made calendar!Jesus calls us to such spiritual health with these last words of His, in the gospel of Matthiew:"Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Mt 28, 16-20From Agness, Andrius, myself and all of MS people who pray, I call upon all authorities on earth and in the heavenlies, to guide each and all in the settlement as one in the truth of God's blessing upon all the families of the Earth...In closing this letter, I offer the words of the apostle Paul who completes nicely what I wish to convey, as one who experiences those words of Jesus above:"For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— to know the love of Christ which surpasses all knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen. Ep 3,14-21Such is the scope of independent thinking we are offered to use. Shall we move on with Faith?...may all blessings be with us all...Benoit
--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
From: Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...>
Subject: [holistichelping] Re: My position: to stop
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Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 7:14 AMAgnese,
I appreciate your clarity. I am glad for your recent successes in Italy.
Last December I visited you in Rome and I encouraged you to work with
Kenyans locally and I think you said that was impossible. But you make
the impossible possible.
Thank you for the 450 letters that you have written since June 2006.
http://www.ms. lt/news.php? thinker=Maria_ Agnese_Giraudo
You've been a bridge builder who has shaped our activity in Africa. Your
original concern was to find a constructive relationship with your
"adopted son" William Wambura in Tanzania, who was a bit of a rascal at
that time. You were so impressed with Samwel Kongere's activity at our
lab that you traveled to visit Samwel in Kenya. You were the first person
among us to meet him, indeed I have never met him. You gave him a laptop,
his own computer, and you sent him to Tanzania several times, where he
established Uyoga, which is doing remarkable work. I am very happy for
William's intensely thoughtful contributions at our wiki and I hope to
work with him more.
http://www.worknets .org/wiki. cgi?WilliamWambu ra
http://www.worknets .org/wiki. cgi?Child
http://www.worknets .org/wiki. cgi?BweniNetIncl uderProject
I think through Samwel you met Kennedy Owino and the Nafsi Afrika Acrobats
who you have helped perform in Europe. We enjoyed them so much when they
came to Lithuania and I am glad you were there! and that you met Pamela
McLean there as well. This year you and all of us helped to save Samwel's
life when he fell sick in the middle of the Kenyan crisis. Now you have
overcome all of the hurdles and Samwel is visiting you in Italy, which is
a dream come true!
Agnese, your dreams have had a great impact on our activity. I will lose
the benefit of your critique. You and all are welcome, although I do take
responsibility for our Minciu Sodas culture. I think what you have
achieved in two years is because of our culture, not in spite of it. I
compare your positive outlook with the great frustrations you felt then.
I encourage you, as you are doing, to assert your own endeavors, your own
questions, your own values, and not simply "help" others.
Minciu Sodas is for independent thinkers. Yes, our culture is both
paternalistic and top-down. Independent thinkers project their reality and
create their worlds. What they believe is what happens. We are our own
parents. After a conflict with my parents not so long ago, I told them, I
was my own parent, I shaped myself from early childhood, and that is true
and helpful to know, both for them and for me. I expect all of us to be
our own parents, so that we might all be examples for each other, as we
each nurture our own growth, as we each take top-down leadership for our
own lives and our own worlds. We treat others as we treat ourselves, and
so those who are lost in life may very well find in us - in Samwel, in
Janet, in Kennedy, in you, in Pamela, in me - their "adopted parents"
until they grow up and act as parents for themselves and for others. This
kind of parenthood by example is very liberating and I find very fruitful
in Africa where we are blessed with such great leaders who project their
leadership onwards - and out to us all - in the very same way - as in a
I am writing from David Ellison-Bey' s home in the heart of Chicago's South
Side. Last night I heard shooting. The police come by and put parking
tickets on his car (which doesn't run) because his license plates are
expired. Every day some acquaintance of David comes by to work on his
house or car. Some of them have a good heart and great talent, but all of
them are trapped in drugs, selling crack or using heroin or whatever.
It's utterly depressing, but we persist. Meanwhile, David is buffeted
again and again by the "caste system" of bills, abusive, manipulative or
simply impersonal. I have too much to learn here for Africa to be so very
interesting. I am much more interested for Africans to come here, as you
have made possible in Europe, which is profoundly helpful, as I learned
from you. I also care about our challenges in Lithuania, where it has
taken so long to encourage people to write openly and grow openly, but now
we are making good progress.
We are so successful in Africa that I feel confident to write proposals by
which I might earn income. What I want to learn in Africa, and what I
think I can contribute, is to understand well how people can benefit,
spiritually and practically, from micro-research projects. I believe that
in Africa we are ready to work this out as a model for all the world.
Agnese, we have known each other for a few years, and I hope we do for
many more. Thank you and best wishes in all you do and hi to Samwel,
Kennedy and all the acrobats!
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> Dear Andrius and all,
> I would like to be very clear about my expectations. I'm fully personal
> involved In East Africa with my Tanzanian family and personal business
> projects in Tanzania with local people but also with our friends in Kenya
> and Uganda. I'm collaborating with Kenyans in Italy and I hope to
> strength contacts with East African diasphora in Europe to affect together
> the political trends in Europe regarding immigration.
> I appreciate a lot Chris and Pam effort to spread Yunus ideas and
> knowledge and Janet always excellent contribution in writing projects and
> searching for funds. I don't believe in Minciu Sodas paternalistic and
> confuse top-down approach. I like more free, flexible and spontaneous
> collaborations driven by local experts and skilled people (there are so
> many in Africa!!!). Andrius, you'll really learn a lot when you stay in
> Africa. There we become aware of our arrogance and we learn to.....
> So please, cancel me from Minciu Sodas Lab. I'm always available to be in
> touch with everybody, as I'm used to. I wish MSLab evolves seriously...
> With dreams and loving a real extended family!
> Maria Agnese
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