Lucas and Andrius chat about Samwel and bird flu
- Lucas: hi Andrius - news about Samwel and how I might send him 100
euros? I'm glad about your networking with Kirchbach (spelling?)
Andrius: Hi Lucas :: Samwel is offline until the 30th
Andrius: Hi :: Do you want to wait until you come back so that
you could work together? :: Or do you want him to work while you are gone?
Lucas: ah, ok - so we might do two things - either i send him/you the
money and we'll see, or we wait - i think it's best if he moves on
without me - it's a full month!
Andrius: Also, does the work plan in my letter sound good?
Lucas: he'll be doing things in any case, so i leave it to his
judgment which is probably better than mine anyway :)
:: yes it does
Andrius: ok, great :: but what's very helpful is building the
relationship between both of you
Lucas: so how do i send the money operationally? do you have the data
Andrius: yes I can send it to you
Lucas: yes, but i think we'll have time - we have chatted already and
we'll go on :: but we'll have something to talk about if he works
without waiting :: in any case, i'm taking a laptop to my holiday and
have collected a few things to try and draft "the" booklet - maybe - i
need to rest before i think ;)
Andrius: yes you should rest! :: you may have a busy year!
Lucas: i hope it will be busy because i want to and not because i'm
forced to ;) :: top-down may get some things down, but grass-roots may
be more productive
Andrius: what do you mean?
Lucas: panflu prepping :: i hope i'll be busy but not because there's
:: and i hope to move from the grassroots and not just helping the
Lucas: i'm starting to understand jeff buderer more
Andrius: yes? :: in what way?
Lucas: integration of things is a thing in itself :: like the nervous
system is an organ too - sort of :: so we need to look into how to
create projects in prowiki - i'll try when i come back and i may also
ask for some handholding if needed
:: projects as in "a set of related wiki pages"
Andrius: yes I'll help :: I'm wondering, how active might we
be in the Canaries? :: I'm thinking that we have some "hot spots" around
the world :: Rusinga Island/Mbita, Lithuania, Vienna-Kirchbach ::
potentially Dorset & Wales in the UK
Lucas: not sure - just today i talked to a friend who was interested
in small windmills and who - to my surprise - "studied electricity" - so
there are people who i might give information to - same with wireless
and videobridges - i'm nagging my linux friends and will try to move
more in that area :: yes i would like us to join that network :: i
personally don't have the muscle but i can talk, talk, talk :)
Andrius: I wonder if there might be an opportunity for me to
work from Canarias for a few months during the year? :: much like I
proposed to do at Kirchbach :: I could get fluent in my Spanish
Lucas: who would pay and who would you work with? i'll think about it,
yes - but so far i don't think we have a network to speak of :-?
Andrius: I imagine you do have a network locally? :: I would
come to help organize
Lucas: or maybe we do - we have stella in the island of La Palma -
permaculture - with "students" in other islands - who by the way i
shoudl try and contact in august
Andrius: Yes, that's a good idea, she is very experienced.
Perhaps we could work more together? Also, I think it would be good to
make a list of global village technologies that we'd like to invest
ourselves in. Perhaps a top ten list.
Lucas: not much of a network - linux people focused in linux,
permaculturers focused in their own thing - there's need for some
networking but not sure if things are mature enough yet - maybe i might
"prepare your coming"
Lucas: yes, that list sounds great - i've already mentioned two
(communications and permaculture) and we could move some more
Andrius: Perhaps we could find a way to register our interest,
a form of voting :: Like just ranking our interest in the technologies
Lucas: yes, but there's also a few criteria to select the top ten -
jeff would have some ideas in this regard, i bet :: some technologies
are more basic, easier, more integrative, or whatever those criteria are
Andrius: yes, certainly :: I'm not the one to decide! ::
except perhaps locally here
Lucas: and some will be easier to the local people involved - but a
"commented menu" would be a good thing to have
Lucas: sure! you're a local too :) :: (right now i've started asking a
friend who will be near in august, for a "tech network" :))
Andrius: a tech network? :: oh yes, I wanted to ask, who do
you think might hire our lab to work on bird flu preparedness? or who
would be the best people to work for?
Lucas: a network of people who want to learn to build their own small
windmills, solarcookers, wireless connections - and also talk to each other
Lucas: some people are more into doing than into thinking - or so they
believe ;) :: a hands-on network :: re flu - hire someone to work for
us? or we work for others? hmm - needs some thinking, that one does!
Andrius: we work for others
Lucas: i'll think about it - we'd work where? in all our locations?
Andrius: sure :: primarily I'm looking for work for myself ::
but certainly leveraging our lab
Lucas: the question for me is - what does panflu preparedness needs
that we could offer as a piece of (probably distributed) research? is
that it? :: offer while we gain and strengthen ourselves, of course
Andrius: yes that would be good :: yes
Lucas: i hope i'll have time to think! :)
Andrius: for example, research in redundancy risks :: as we'll
do with Samwel
Lucas: "redundancy risks"?
Andrius: I mean lack of redundancy
Lucas: ah, i see
Andrius: the weak points in our systems if somebody gets sick
or leaves town :: perhaps we can find ways to help build redundancy into
Lucas: Samwel might be looking at that in his place - but that has
been researched - aparently - in richer countries - but nobody wants to
look into that too directly :: yes, that would be great! :: i think the
main strategies go way beyond what fluwikians suggest
Andrius: how do volunteers take over
Lucas: they equate prepping with stocking up
Andrius: yes I think prepping up is preparing ourselves and
then :: we want to be ready to help others
Lucas: yes, that's something Jody Lanard http://www.psandman.com has
suggested: setting up ways to recruit volunteers among first-week survivors
Lucas: in a way, the more intense a wave is (in terms of more people
falling ill quickly) the more survivors you have - all conditioned to
severity of disease in survivors, of course
Lucas: so if we want to look into volunteers, we need to look into
Volunteers for what? How do we protect them? etc :: How do we
crosstrain them (accelerated learning)?
Andrius: My thought is to identify volunteers now
Lucas: will you save this? i have to go, sorry! and please send me the
details so i can send 100 euros to Samwel - and trust his judgment on
what he'll do
Andrius: peace :: I will share our chat
Lucas: yes, identify them and strengthen them and gather around them
:: please do! :: see you! lots to think about! :: saved this in case
you lose it :)