Re: Samwel and Andrius chat about working together
- Samwel and I continued our chat. He told me his key concept "Motivation
through sacrifice" and his investigatory question: "How I can find for
Myself and live Comfortably while helping others?" I related that to
various projects that he might work on for us. So we're quite on track.
Samwel: Remember to send me the things or ideas you nwant me to
focus while their at the Africa source
Samwel: What went wrong?
Samwel: weather Or what?
Andrius: Yes, it's cold here :: I had to move to a second place
closer to my parents. :: So the temperature drops here :: almost to
freezing and it is hard :: to get it warmer indoors. :: When I come back
to do some work from here. :: Anyways, I want to work with you :: but I
think I need to focus on what you care about :: because otherwise we can
waste a lot of energy :: and I don't have that energy. :: So, if
possible, I would like to know your "key concept" :: and also, an
"investigatory question" that you care about, :: a question that you
don't know the answer to, but want to answer. :: Because then I can
structure our work accordingly.
Samwel: I am also raedy to work with you
Andrius: Great. :: Also, then we can hold you accountable to
yourself :: because I have no interest in holding you accountable to me.
:: So I need to know what you care about, :: so I can understand how you
want to think. :: At least, I think this would be easier for me. :: But
I know these questions are hard. :: Maybe you don't know, that is OK.
Samwel: you know Andrius as amatter of fact you are smarter than me
and your exposure and understanding is more than mine why then strive
but what remains is understanding one another
Andrius: We need to be equals. I think we can be equals if we find
what you care most about. Then you will be stronger than me.
Samwel: I ahve to know what we are putting at hand and what we are
going to do and I will concent your Idea
Andrius: What is it that you care more about than I do? Than
others do? :: What do you care most about? :: Think about that and let
us know. :: Then you will be very strong :: and you can do very
Samwel: You know i sometime think on adiversity but what I am to
you will depend on my integrity and accountability to a joint Understanding
Andrius: Adversity? :: or diversity?
Samwel: This mean we have to be at the equal ends where the loss or
profit befits us all
Andrius: yes :: which word did you mean, diversity? or adversity?
Samwel: some person might be thinking differently while the other
Samwel: eh :: [:D]
Andrius: yes :: I understand you just a little
Samwel: That is a diversity
Andrius: I see :: yes
Samwel: different thinking
Andrius: diversity of interests?
Samwel: what is your wish to work together? :: Yeah :: ...of interests
Andrius: Is that what you care about, Diversity of interests? :: or
Samwel: You have to be specific towards your interests and compare
them with mine then combine efforts to work together
Andrius: That's very helpful :: What can we call that? :: Relating
Samwel: come up and give details of how we are going to work and on
what line of interests :: yaap
Andrius: Can we say that "relating our interests" is your key
concept? :: or something else?
Samwel: concepts will be differing always and changing
Andrius: they may change... :: do you have a deeper one?
Samwel: depending on issues :: Look i have Ideas and You have ideas
Andrius: My experience is that they don't change very much, they
just become clearer. Yes?
Samwel: Suggest one I had the options of working with you and your
concept of this is what :: If you say sustainable idea or investiment it
becomes a concept :: so a concept which brings motivation is
comfortability and sustainable ideas
Andrius: We have a page with many concepts - each person has their
own: http://www.openleader.com/index.php/MinciuSodas/KeyConcept :: so
please think about your own concept. :: If you could choose any concept,
which is most important to you? :: Which one guides your heart in all
things? :: Which one is deepest in you?
Samwel: Let me compare but I have mine which I had told you before
Andrius: Tell me again
Samwel: Sacrifying for greater values to motivate oneself and the
Samwel: Keep it and put it in my Key concept
Samwel: can it suit you?
Andrius: yes :: is there a shorter way to say it? :: Motivation
through sacrifice ?
Samwel: find one but the words carry my value
Andrius: yes :: that's very helpful :: it's very clear :: if we
find a shorter way to say it, that will also help :: Now, is there a
question that you don't know the answer to, but want to answer? :: A
question that you care about? :: That you will answer, and we can help you?
Samwel: (Motivation through sacrifice) let me think
Andrius: What is more important to you, the motivation or the
Samwel: How I can find for Myself and live Comfortably while
helping others? :: The value and rewards of sacrifying
Andrius: Sacrifice as Inspiration ?
Samwel: may be not sure here
Andrius: Good question: How I can find for Myself and live
Comfortably while helping others? :: Excellent.
Samwel: Change my saved concept with one above
Andrius: which one?
Samwel: Motivation through sacrifice :: ...but with success
Andrius: Motivating Sacrifice ? :: Moving Sacrifice ?
Samwel: you had got it before don't confuse your excelency ::
Motivation through sacrifice
Samwel: not whatever but that
Andrius: It's quite similar to what you had before, which was
"Motivation" :: so now it is just a bit clearer. :: That's very helpful.
:: And your investigatory question is: How I can find for Myself and
live Comfortably while helping others? :: yes?
Andrius: OK, so that's excellent :: I suggest a few projects. ::
One is our Open Leader network
Samwel: go on :: ok
Andrius: you can be building our network and finding ways to both
help yourself and to help others
Andrius: and that's very useful :: Another is the Literacy project
because you can focus on Motivation
Andrius: How do we structure the literacy games so that people are
able to motivate themselves :: to teach themselves
Samwel: you will give me the Ideas you superb
Andrius: At Africa Source II the most valuable thing you can do ::
is get people's permission to sign them up for our working groups. ::
Most important is Janet Feldman's working group Holistic Helping.
Andrius: But also Franz' for Global Villages, and Lucas' for
Samwel: the idea is good
Andrius: You need to ask people and make sure you get their
permission. :: Also, very helpful is to have them fill out the Open
Leader survey :: because then we can include them in our network :: and
we can know that their work is in the Public Domain. :: Another project
is that we want to set up Online tutoring for programming and other
online skills like using wikis. :: So we'll try to set up a webchat page
Samwel: in which these I am a member and would like to get all the
other deeper I deas for these forums
Andrius: and related wiki pages. :: And then we can try to organize
African software developers for business projects to get work for us all.
Samwel: This what you can elaborate on and get me the applicables
Andrius: If you sign them up for our discussion groups and our Open
Leader network :: then we will be sure to be in touch with them in the
Samwel: vefore going there without
Andrius: That is why that is most important. :: So these are my
Andrius: It would be good if you could work part-time on them until
the end of February. Is that OK? :: You could choose to work on what
you find most useful to yourself. :: For the Literacy project we would
focus for now on experimentation.
Samwel: Do you think I can get the Template for all these to make
then understand our group's ideas
Andrius: Also, we'll try to get you some materials so that people
may have ideas at Africa Source II. :: I will try. :: Yes.
Samwel: great in power point or what?
Andrius: No, just maybe print out some of the flashcards. :: And
some of the surveys. :: And I will try to put up more survey answers at
our PmWiki :: and then you might put up the rest. :: I will try to work
on that this week.
Samwel: and print :: printing the flash cards
Andrius: Samwel, I'm glad that we could chat, it has been very
helpful. What you have done today was very hard, but I think it helps
us know what to work on together. We know what you care about, so we
know how to invest in you. :: Yes :: and start practicing with them. ::
And also I will try to set up pages with answers to the surveys :: so
people can see how we can use that information.
Samwel: this will be very useful to me also :: WHAT DO YOU THINK
ABOUT ME GETTING A PERMANET EMAIL @ SAMWEL....
Andrius: we can give you an email samwel@... if you like
Samwel: ..or hosting such becomes expensive?
Andrius: or get a gmail account
Samwel: let it be Kongere@...
Andrius: I suggest that you wait for a few months before getting a
domain :: You would like that?
Samwel: domain for my email or web
Andrius: Yes I think you should have your own domain :: but wait
unit :: until you know what you want to call it.
Samwel: I will wait
Andrius: Let's try to chat Saturday :: and I will try to have our
wiki set up with your Open Leader questionnaires by then.
Samwel: What time?
Andrius: I'm not sure, :: maybe this time is OK. :: Also, try to
print out the flash cards at
Samwel: It is evening Here and Ihere is usually closed two hours later
Samwel: good time time what do think Janet is asying about the
purchase of the comps?
Andrius: I don't know. :: Maybe wait until you come back. :: Maybe
they will have ideas at Africa Source II on getting a computer.
Samwel: I have spared something for paying deposit to one when I
Samwel: ok :: Are you living In America Or lithuaniA?
Andrius: Can you work for me until the end of February for the
money that I gave you? :: I am living in Lithuania.
Samwel: I did Get money biut I was very troubled when I fill a form
but the money originated from USA
Andrius: oh :: I used a credit card from the US :: I was born in
Samwel: You will Channel the work
Samwel: do get me the adress from US as this will make be somebody
who is fully understand ANDIUS?
Andrius: ANDRIUS :: 6726 S Parnell Ave, Chicago, IL 60621 :: that
is my mailing address in the US :: but I am here in Lithuania.
Samwel: I was about to be caught and a lady said I am the owner
because of my ID card
Andrius: oh, I am sorry :: I am glad you tell me. :: I am sorry.
Samwel: ..and this saved My day :: and you didn't send me the codes
Andrius: Yes, I forgot.
Samwel: no worry this was to clarify
Andrius: That's important. Thank you.
Samwel: I am planning to have A bank account and later we will
change right away
Andrius: Here are the flashcards:
http://www.openleader.com/selfeducation/clusters1.png :: see if they can
make sense :: and I will try to explain more later. :: You should cut
them up with scissors. :: And pair one with another.
Samwel: Thanks again for mbilizing funds for me and the children
will something to eat and I will start working on them
Andrius: Samwel, thank you for approaching us :: You are a great
encouragement. :: And your children encourage us, too.
Samwel: I also thank you I only have one Gap left to have me stay
comfortable :: that is where the ends of connections and internet
payments :: but these will be solved by time :: ilove your insights
Andrius: yes :: thank you :: you make our work very meaningful ::
it's a great privilege to work with you!
Samwel: I think we can talk later and remember our agreement and
send what me to do
Andrius: yes :: Thank you, Samwel!
Samwel: ....and inform Janet to connect me there before... I also
met an entertaiment troupe in nairobi and they are going to work with me
Samwel: I can sign them in our Open leader forum :: They are arts
Expets and working with them will give us more talents in arts
Samwel: Another group from our main group are going to hold arts
exibition In Mombasa-Kenya
Andrius Kulikauskas wrote:
> Samwel, Thank you for your letters and for chatting. Steve, Henry,
> Thank you likewise! I hope to write more in the next few days. Samwel,
> there's a lot that we can do, but it helps me greatly if I might know
> more about what you care about. Perhaps there is a number where I might
> call you? Or Henry might reach you? Andrius, http://www.ms.lt
> Samwel: hi Andrius :: How are you are dear?
> Andrius: Hi Samwel! :: I'm fine :: Thank you for your letter
> Samwel: It is good to see you online. :: can you give siome minutes
> to thank you and imagine the future together
> Andrius: Yes, I am free
> Samwel: i didn't see the letter in our pulic domain, WHAT IS WRONG?
> Andrius: which letter? :: I saw your thansk
> Samwel: is there some other , the one i sent thanking the members
> for the help :: did yopu see it
> Andrius: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalvillages/message/853
> :: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalvillages/message/845
> Samwel: even today i tried sending it but ...... :: let me check on
> them but I didn't see them in my mail box
> Andrius: I have some thoughts on what you might do for us at Africa
> Source and also afterwards :: maybe your email is bouncing?
> Samwel: ok :: go on and tell me more
> Andrius: Maybe first we should think more about your key concept.
> You said it was "motivation", yes?
> Samwel: this might be the b :: yeah
> Andrius: What concept is most important to you, what is deepest in
> your life, and encompasses all the others?
> Samwel: To me and others
> Andrius: For you personally :: so that we could understand you and
> support you.
> Samwel: you see Andrius I have too much on me and i have to
> deliever to boast my family and my community
> Andrius: yes
> Samwel: if my community is having atleast something from my efforts
> I can be immpressed
> Andrius: that is why we want to focus on the right things when we
> work with you :: we are investing in you, and I am investing in you, so
> we need you to be a strong person :: especially strong as a leader ::
> which means that you are able to focus on your values :: and respond to
> them :: So it help for us to know how to understand you
> Samwel: saying that i ahve something which benefits my family at
> the same time benefiting community
> Andrius: what do you mean?
> Samwel: This will give me the exposure I want like now some of my
> group members will be going to Mombasa for a arts exbition but they have
> to strive much for the travels
> Andrius: yes :: But let's focus on you
> Samwel: I mean something which can benefit me as for of income and
> can expand to the community
> Andrius: OK :: That can be many things. :: But let's start with the
> more important question. :: Because many people are investing in you. ::
> And I am investing a lot in you.
> Samwel: I told you that I need some business joint to expand on the
> ones I have in selling cereals and be comfrtable
> Andrius: So I want to know who I'm investing in. :: Yes. :: But I
> can't be very interested in your business. :: :: I can be interested in
> you. :: That is why I want to focus on you. :: What is important to you
> in life?
> Samwel: I am currently selling cereals in retail and wished that i
> SELL in large scale which can enable the family move :: What is
> important in in life now is media hadling and advocacy through several
> tutorials and exposure to help others
> Andrius: I'm not asking what's important now :: I'm asking, what's
> important in the long run
> Samwel: sustainable
> Andrius: What I'm trying to say is that for me to work with you
> takes a lot of energy. :: So I need to be able to get a lot of energy in
> return. :: In order for me to do that I need to focus on what is deepest
> in your life.
> Samwel: A working plan which can be developed to give time to what
> we are doing together and this will mean taking another way of finding
> ways to communicate promptly and reaserch
> Andrius: I need to focus on you as a person. Yes. Is there a
> phone number where I can call you?
> Samwel: This will mean I m fully connected to the internet and i
> had told you ealier about the problem I am facing in connections
> Andrius: yes
> Samwel: I need more than one computer and and a connection to the
> Andrius: But a deeper issue is connecting heart-to-heart. :: What
> idea is most important to you? So that I could understand you? And
> connect with you? And work with you? And invest in you?
> Samwel: these will be very important..... do you mean interms of
> our operations!!!
> Andrius: What value is most important to you? :: I mean in terms of
> understanding you. :: For example, for me personally most important is
> "living by truth". :: So because of that, I care about honesty. :: And
> knowing everything. :: And independent thinkers. :: And caring about
> thinking. :: And integrity.
> Samwel: I had lost cell phone and couldnot buy another one up to
> this time i don't have one
> Andrius: OK :: So if you want to help me, then you help me in
> "living by truth". :: So I also want to know about you. :: What idea do
> you care about? :: So that I could learn to think as you do. :: What is
> most important to you? :: If we understand each other well, then we
> don't need a good connection. :: We can act on each other's behalf
> because we know each other's values. :: But if we don't want to
> understand each other well, a good connection won't help.
> Samwel: I care about honestty truth and trust and more over
> Anmdrius I was brought up A straight forwrad guy and would be very much
> happy to get one like me
> Andrius: Good. So, do you know yourself? :: If you know yourself,
> then we can know you. :: And if we can know you, then we can act on your
> behalf. :: And we can be helpful.
> Samwel: This one means i know myself well :: ..and my interrity can
> be found out from here :: I had lived to trust you and I am still on the
> process of doing, so if we live to our concepts
> Andrius: I have been very careful so that it would be easy for you
> to trust me, to check me. :: Now I want to know you so that I could work
> well with you.
> Samwel: That is the meaning of a long lasting friendship and
> knowing you once won't help us but learning to know one another :: ...is
> very important
> Andrius: yes
> Samwel: you have to entrust me with an idea and find out
> Andrius: I think if a person knows themselves, then they can be a
> friend to themselves, and then it is easy for them to show themselves to
> others, and for others to know them. :: It is very hard to know oneself.
> :: But that is what is important to me. :: That is what the Open Leader
> network is about. :: That we are open about ourselves. :: So that people
> can support us, and we can be strong.
> Samwel: i have seen your trust and help to some levels and I must
> say that you have a blessed , heart , working with you is good but we
> must agree on terms good to our knowing one another
> Andrius: yes?
> Samwel: Helping others to help themselves
> Andrius: that is important to you?
> Samwel: The ventures in both of us in this level can be of
> paramount good to our future plans and integrity :: I mean I must be
> comfortable to work :: not ....to beg for support always as it lowers
> some leader's integruty...!!!
> Andrius: I don't know. It's 5 degrees Celsius here indoors. ::
> It's not very comfortable.\ :: As for begging,
> Samwel: it is cold there?
> Andrius: if a person doesn't know what they really care about,
> Samwel: Here it is Hot :: For support :: I have to be comfortable
> even to support
> Andrius: then they are worse than a beggar.
> Samwel: >>>others
> Andrius: I would say my life is not very comfortable :: but I am
> extremely privileged :: that I can work on what I think is important. ::
> And I have given you such privilege. :: That is why I want to know what
> is important to you. :: Because otherwise you are wasting my precious
> life. :: My life is very precious.
> Samwel: Let's hope to communicate through phone if I buy one in the
> early months of the year and I will let you know ::
> Andrius: For me, it's important that you think about what you care
> about :: and write to us. :: If you know how to do that, :: then you can
> help others do that. :: Then we can focus on helping you. :: And then
> you don't need many things :: and you don't need a large business. ::
> But if you don't know what you care about :: then it is extremely
> wasteful. :: If you know, then you can help others know themselves ::
> and then we can have a strong network. :: If you can do this, then we
> can be strong and I can work with you. :: But if you can't do this, then
> I can't work with you :: because it doesn't help me. :: So then look for
> other people. :: I will share our chat. :: See what other people can
> advise. :: Perhaps Henry Migingo can advise you. :: I know it is very hard.
> Message from hmigingo at 2005 12 23 08:32
> Little girl and her father were crossing a bridge. The father was kind
> of scared so he asked his little daughter, "Sweetheart, please hold my
> hand so that you don't fall into the river." The little girl said, "No,
> Dad. You hold my hand." "What's the difference?" Asked the puzzled
> father. "There's a big difference," replied the little girl. "If I hold
> your hand and something happens to me, chances are that I may let your
> hand go. But if you hold my hand, I know for sure that no matter what
> happens, you will never let my hand go." In any relationship, the
> essence of trust is not in its bind, but in its bond. So hold the hand
> of the person whom you love rather than expecting them to hold yours...
> This message is too short..........but carries a lot of feeling.