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  • Derick Odemba
    Hi Samuel, Please keep me more posted on this.I think you are doing a splendid work Derick ... __________________________________________________ Do You
    Message 1 of 15 , Jun 19, 2006
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      Hi Samuel,

      Please keep me more posted on this.I think you are
      doing a splendid work

      Derick

      --- samuel kongere <samkongere2004@...> wrote:

      > Dear Jeff, Andrius, and all,
      >
      > I have the pleasure to inform you that I am Kenyan
      > Citizen and living in mbita. I am working in more
      > trans-sectional community information and technology
      > improvement in mbita and Rusinga Island. I am
      > working with Rusinga Island Youth development forum
      > initiative(RIYDFI). I am an FOSS activist.
      >
      > I also wish to tell members that I know Ken
      > Onyango and I am ready to work with Jeff in the
      > community multi-Learning Center.This Is a project we
      > wish to explore many thoughts on ECO VILLAGE ideas .
      >
      >
      > Jeff go ahead and have us plan for this and you
      > can have the plan proposal for the Mult-learning
      > center.
      >
      > Thanks,
      > SAM
      >
      > Jeff Buderer <jeff@...> wrote:
      > Andrius,
      >
      > Thanks for the offer. I do think you have put
      > forward a good plan. My
      > suggestion would be to work with Samwell in moving
      > forward on his plan
      > for a learning center. Seeing the value created from
      > his work as
      > potentially usable for our other community
      > development related projects.
      >
      > I think we should keep the focus on developing a
      > community center that
      > could possibly at one point morph into a fully
      > featured ecovillage for
      > Mbita. This is also the sort of groundwork we (OVF)
      > did with Kennedy
      > Onyango when he was director of OVF Kenya in 2004
      > (Kennedy just
      > introduced himself to the Global Villages group). I
      > would suggest that
      > our work in trying to create a Unity Center in Mbita
      > then, could also be
      > considered in regards to this potential initiative.
      > Possibly since both
      > Samwel and Kennedy are in Mbita Kenya, they could
      > work together on this
      > project. This is something that Samwel could
      > consider. I am not sure if
      > he knows Kennedy personally or is aware of his
      > previous work.
      >
      > Jeff
      >
      > Kulikauskas wrote:
      >
      > > Samwel Kongere in Kenya is available to help us
      > with various projects
      > > that we might have at our lab. I have agreed to
      > provide and send him
      > > $100 for him if he can find somebody at our lab
      > that he might work
      > > openly for on some project. This is enough money
      > for two months of
      > > part-time work.
      > >
      > > Lucas, Janet, Jeff, Franz, Pamela and all, please
      > consider if there's a
      > > project that you would like Samwel to help you
      > with. It should be a
      > > project which results in open work including
      > letters to our groups, chat
      > > transcripts sent to our groups, wiki pages
      > created, research done and
      > > shared, or anything like that. You would need to
      > be in touch with
      > > Samwel by email and/or chat and/or possibly Skype.
      > See my thoughts in
      > > my chat further below. Samwel's email is:
      > samkongere2004-AT-yahoo.com
      > >
      > > This is an opportunity to have a field agent in
      > rural Kenya, near Mbita
      > > and Lake Victoria. I think of Michael Franz
      > Reinisch of
      > > http://www.globalmilling.com
      > <http://www.globalmilling.com> who I met
      > > through Franz Nahrada here in
      > > Vienna, and who is looking for buyers of an
      > innovative mobile mill that
      > > keeps a grain's nutritious germ rather than throw
      > it away.
      > >
      > > Or I think of Nikos's work on social housing.
      > Nikos, perhaps you know
      > > of a person who might like to work with Samwel so
      > that Samwel collects
      > > ideas and interviews?
      > >
      > > The best projects for us would be those where
      > Samwel can work openly as
      > > a researcher. And I think he can do his best work
      > if it relates to his
      > > key concept "Motivation through sacrifice" and his
      > investigatory
      > > question "How I can find for myself and live
      > comfortably while helping
      > > others?" Please note also that I will send Samwel
      > my money as soon as
      > > the project is defined and the work has started.
      > This is so that he can
      > > provide for himself and his family, the project be
      > understood as our
      > > co-investment, and the money not be used as
      > pressure.
      > >
      > > I think it is fantastic that we have this
      > opportunity to work with an
      > > intelligent and motivated researcher in rural
      > Africa. This is a very
      > > inexpensive way to give our work great meaning. I
      > can provide the
      > > money, but I need somebody to work directly with
      > Samwel so that the work
      > > is open and visible at our lab, but I do not have
      > to involve myself
      > > directly.
      > >
      > > I share Samwel's letter and our chat.
      > > More about Samwel here:
      > > http://www.openleader.info/wiki.cgi?SamwelKongere
      > >
      > <http://www.openleader.info/wiki.cgi?SamwelKongere>
      > >
      > > Andrius
      > >
      > > Andrius Kulikauskas
      > > Minciu Sodas
      > > http://www.ms.lt <http://www.ms.lt>
      > > ms@... <mailto:ms%40ms.lt>
      > >
      > > samuel kongere wrote:
      > >
      > > > Dear All,
      > > >
      > > > I believe in the concepts and my concept has
      > always been
      > > > "motivativation through suffering".Some
      > sacrifice to help others while
      > > > I also help myself. These are the words of value
      > to me and hope
      > > > through them I will be able to work with or for
      > any member Of our
      > > groups.
      > > >
      > > > I am now doing own community Transectional drive
      > to get some actual
      > > > informations and identify the government
      > protocol in creating
      > > > awareness on sanitation regarding bird flu. This
      > is going to apply
      > > > very well if I have information about groups
      > vetting for information
      > > > and appraisals. In this field I can be happy to
      > work with Lucas as he
      > > > is convasant with our country and his knowledge
      > on bird Flu.
      > > >
      > > > In the other aspect, i am going to get groups
      > environmental
      > > > information to help get them prepared for the
      > Bird flu. Any interested
      > > > person in our groups can get me through to help
      > the projects. This is
      > > > going to make me have community based
      > information and school based
      > > > information. These bases will help in making
      > information monitoring
      > > > and evaluations for calamity preparedness.
      > > >
      > > > I am also of the opinion to find problems
      > affecting our slum dwellers
      > > > and more problems which are being caused by up
      > coming settlements. Any
      > > > body can help if he/ she needs some information
      > about settlement and
      > > > slum improvement.Any interested member can
      > contact me and we see away
      > > > forward to get info about these projects and we
      > can work together.
      > > >
      > > > Thanks I would hope hear your comments and work
      > together.
      > > >
      > > > Samwel
      > >
      > > Samwel and Andrius chat 2006.06.06
      > >
      >
      ----------------------------------------------------------
      > > Samwel: Hello Andrius :: Long time
      > >
      > > Andrius: Hi Samwel!
      > >
      > > Samwel: fine and trying myself to hear from you
      > >
      > > Andrius: yes :: How are you doing? I am happy with
      > your
      > > work for us. Thank you.
      > >
      > > Samwel: how was your trip?
      > >
      > > Andrius: I am still traveling. I am in Vienna
      > visiting Franz
      > > Nahrada.
      > >
      > > Samwel: Pass my regards to Him
      > >
      > > Andrius: Yes, I just did. He says hello. :: He
      > invites you
      > > to write about your local activities as a picture
      > so that an outsider
      > > could understand more of what you and your
      > colleagues are doing. ::
      > > Also, I met with Michael of
      > http://www.globalmilling.com
      > > <http://www.globalmilling.com> :: They are
      > > selling a mobile mill for about 150,000 euros that
      > may be useful in
      > > Kenya because it keeps the grain's germ and thus
      > its nutrition. Modern
      > > milling technologies throw away the germ. Also,
      > this mill can be used
      > > with a variety of crops and moved in different
      > seasons. :: Perhaps
      > > you know somebody who might be interested? :: You
      > can write to
      > > Michael Franz Reinisch at mfr AT globalmilling.com
      > >
      > > Samwel: are you usnig a different version Of
      > Yahoo.
      > >
      > > Andrius: yes :: I am using Kopete messenger
      > >
      > > Samwel: you went missing
      > >
      > > Andrius: I will log out and try the regular Yahoo
      > :: one moment
      > >
      > > Samwel: wonder to me :: ok
      > >
      > > Andrius: Hi Samwel, are you there?
      > >
      > > Samwel: yes tell me what ever plan you have for me
      > >
      > > Andrius: do you have work now for somebody?
      > >
      > > Samwel: i am not working for anybody neither there
      > is no work
      > > for me
      > >
      > > Andrius: My plan for you now is that you find
      > somebody in our
      > > lab that you could help. For example, Lucas.
      > >
      > > Samwel: ok
      > >
      > > Andrius: If you can work with them, then I can
      > probably find a
      > > little bit of money.
      > >
      > > Samwel: ON what particularly?
      > >
      > > Andrius: But I need you to work publicly for them,
      > not for me.
      > > :: The best would be to relate it to your key
      > concept "motivation
      > > through sacrifice" and your investigatory question
      > :: What did you
      > > learn from your interviews?
      > >
      > > Samwel: Too much on how information is important
      > for development
      > >
      > > Andrius: One thing that I need help with is
      > writing first hand
      > > accounts of how people learned about their "money
      > mind" :: You are a
      > > good writer
      > >
      > > Samwel: ok go on :: money mind is?
      > >
      > > Andrius: So I will try to write some sample
      > stories of how I
      > > and others learned new principles because our old
      > ways of thinking got
      > > us stuck :: "Money mind" is how we think about
      > money, value, wealth,
      > > giving, working and other such topics.
      > >
      > > Samwel: fine
      > >
      > > Andrius: Another topic to work on is helping Nikos
      > Salingaros,
      > > he is writing a paper on how to make social
      > housing livable.
      > >
      > > Samwel: i had such information in my interview
      > >
      > > Andrius: Yes, very good. :: Do you have housing
      > for the
      > > poor in Kenya?
      > >
      > > Samwel: Ihave seen such
      > >
      > > Andrius: One thing to study is how poor people
      > live in slums
      > > and in state housing.
      > >
      > > Samwel: yes it is A social problem :: definately
      > >
      > > Andrius: What are good "patterns"? What makes the
      > housing more
      > > "alive", "wholesome", "positive"? :: How can it be
      > better?
      > >
      > > Samwel: I have heard about many problems and we
      > have the
      > > langest slums in Africa
      > >
      > > Andrius: Another project is to help Janet somehow.
      > We should
      > > ask her what would be helpful. Perhaps you can be
      > her secretary. She
      > > can give letters for you to help respond to.
      > >
      > > Samwel: going in to the slums and finding
      > Inforamtion on the
      > > government protocol on slums improvement
      > >
      > > Andrius: yes and talking to people :: what they
      > think would
      > > make things better :: or what makes things better
      > >
      > > Samwel: I love the way you are coming up ask Janet
      > about that
      > >
      > > Andrius: Another person to help is Lucas with the
      > bird flu.
      > > :: How can we help people prepare for bird flu?
      > >
      > > Samwel: ...and remember I am only in a new
      > beginning to start
      > > capacity building trainings on FOSS
      > >
      > > Andrius: One idea is for you to go into the slums
      > and see who
      > > the natural leadership is, and how to work with
      > them, how to support
      > > them if there is a human flu pandemic. :: Or, for
      > example, how to
      > > support them with the current HIV/AIDS pandemic.
      > >
      > > Samwel: We had talked with Lucas but I am still
      > waiting His
      > > response
      > >
      > > Andrius: How are they dealing with that? And how
      > can we help?
      > > :: Another person to help is Franz Nahrada. He is
      > working on "video
      > > bridges". Is there a center with good Internet
      > access that has a web
      > > camera and would like to build video bridges with
      > us?
      > >
      > > Samwel: We had gone through this in our discusion
      > with Ken and
      > > Henry and nobody seems to be helping share the
      > info :: Not near me
      > > but a bit far , there are
      > >
      > > Andrius: Another person to help is Jeff Buderer of
      > One Village
      > > http://www.onevillage.biz
      > <http://www.onevillage.biz> And another is
      > > Pamela McLean of CAWD
      > > http://www.cawd.net <http://www.cawd.net> They are
      > interested in
      > > distance learning in Africa.
      > > :: Maybe Pamela would be interested in working
      > with you on the flash
      > > cards.
      > >
      > > Samwel: Get them Across my line please
      > >
      > > Andrius: You have a computer at home now, yes? ::
      > Another
      > > idea is for you to learn PHP/MySQL programming and
      > help us build tools
      > > for our websites.
      > >
      > > Samwel: no at a centre 10 km away
      > >
      > > Andrius: And you could organize distance learning
      > for website
      > > programming.
      > >
      > > Samwel: These are the Tech I need :: surely
      > >
      > > Andrius: So I will share our chat. It's important
      > that you
      > > write letters and see who responds and be patient
      > and try to work with
      > > them. :: You are making great progress.
      > >
      > > Samwel: send me other info
      > >
      > > Andrius: I can provide a little bit of money for
      > your work, but
      > > you need to find somebody to work for and develop
      > a small project with
      > > them, and maintain contact with them. :: This way
      > we involve more
      > > people.
      > >
      > > Samwel: ....and remember Janet is having the
      > proposal
      > >
      > > Andrius: yes :: you mention that "information is
      > important
      > > for development" :: what kind of information is
      > most important to you?
      > >
      > > Samwel: yes :: The money you say will be for what
      > project?
      > > :: Inwardly technology information Updates and
      > such like development
      > > is Important :: Sharing information is also
      > Important to me and My
      > > commuinty for development
      > >
      > > Andrius: I can send you $100 for a project if you
      > can find
      > > somebody in our laboratory who you could do the
      > project for, and who
      > > would work with you.
      > >
      > > Samwel: I had identified Lucas on the prepared for
      > the bird flu
      > >
      > > Andrius: Yes, he might be interested.
      > >
      > > Samwel: And while I was Nairobi before falling
      > sick I had many
      > > loophole
      > >
      > > Andrius: Please tell me more about your family's
      > grain business.
      > >
      > > Samwel: to see how our country can be prepaid not
      > just saying
      > > being free :: Our village people spend with
      > folkens in side their
      > > houses and starting from here is important info ::
      > Yes our grain
      > > business is what my family depends on
      > >
      > > Andrius: Do you sell the grain? Do you mill the
      > grain?
      > >
      > > Samwel: ....and currently we were focusing on
      > buying astore but
      > > we ahven't reaced the amount required for the
      > purcahse :: We had
      > > seling grains on the retail level but hope to
      > expand and this forms the
      > > future plans :: We don't mill the grains but sell
      > to those who mill it
      > >
      > > Andrius: Is it possible that you could find a
      > buyer for an
      > > innovative mill? such as the ones sold by
      > http://www.globalmilling.com
      > > <http://www.globalmilling.com> ?
      > > :: Or that you could prepare a list of potential
      > buyers?
      > >
      > > Samwel: Now this needs too much concentration
      > baseline survey
      > > before giving details
      > >
      > > Andrius: This is one possible work that you could
      > do. I spoke
      > > with Michael Franz Reinisch and I recommend that
      > he hire you for such
      > > work if you are interested. And then the two of
      > you should structure
      > > your relationship so that he pays you a minimum
      > for your time and also a
      > > good commission if you make a sale, or help make a
      > sale.
      > >
      > > Samwel: Wonderful let me check on the link
      > >
      > > Andrius: I think that a next step in all these
      > projects is for
      > > you to write more about yourself and your local
      > activities.
      > >
      > > Samwel: ....and send his contacts :: yes ...and
      > when do you
      > > that
      > >
      > > Andrius: His email is mfr AT globalmilling.com
      > >
      > > Samwel: That will be possibe to be received by
      > you?
      > >
      > > Andrius: You should write to our groups. :: And to
      > him and
      > > you can CC me.
      > >
      > > Samwel: Can i email him now
      > >
      > > Andrius: yes
      > >
      > > Samwel: good
      > >
      > > Andrius: Also, for our lab, it would be helpful if
      > you wrote
      > > more about your question, "How I can find for
      > Myself and live
      > > Comfortably while helping others?" What are you
      > learning about that?
      > >
      > > Samwel: are you prepared to send me the amount
      > sooner
      > >
      > > Andrius: no
      > >
      > > Samwel: thanks
      > >
      > > Andrius: first you'll have to structure a project
      > with
      > > somebody. That may be hard!
      > >
      > > Samwel: Ok I will go ahead and see what to do and
      > proceed
      > >
      > > Andrius: ok
      > >
      > > Samwel: i am sending mails to the and you can as
      > well send some
      > > info about me for those you think can be happy
      > working with me
      > >
      > > Andrius: ok :: thank you for chatting with me! ::
      > and
      > > thank you for your work for our lab!
      > >
      > > Samwel: thanks can you tell janet About this?
      > >
      > > Andrius: yes :: peace
      > >
      > > Samwel: I hope you will keep informed
      > >
      > > Andrius: let's write through our groups
      > >
      > > Samwel: byes
      > >
      > > Andrius: bye
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • masimba biriwasha
      Dear Andrius, In reference to the discussion below, I just want to find out whwther Nikos Salingaros will be interested in doing some write up on Zimbabwe. We
      Message 2 of 15 , Jun 19, 2006
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        Dear Andrius,

        In reference to the discussion below, I just want to
        find out whwther Nikos Salingaros will be interested
        in doing some write up on Zimbabwe.

        We have interesting (weell sad) developments over the
        past two years with regards housing for the poor.

        Government, last year, demolished all the shanties in
        the urban areas of Zimbabwe, leaving over 700,000
        people homeless. The argument of government was that
        it wanted to make housing livable for the poor.

        Now, they are in the process of constructing low-cost
        housing for the poor.

        The level of the destruction of shanties is
        incidentally the biggest in the world.

        If Nikos is interested on more information, I need to
        know what exactly he is looking for, otherwise
        Zimbabwe makes an interesting case in this respect.

        Thank You

        God Bless

        Masimba Biriwasha

        > Andrius: Another topic to work on is helping Nikos
        Salingaros,> he is writing a paper on how to make
        social housing livable.
        >
        > Samwel: i had such information in my interview
        >
        > Andrius: Yes, very good. :: Do you have housing for
        the
        > poor in Kenya?
        >
        > Samwel: Ihave seen such
        >
        > Andrius: One thing to study is how poor people live
        in slums
        > and in state housing.

        I have a strong feeling that every person owes it to him/herself, and to the cause which he is serving to keep their body strong and healthy, for better or worse, for disappointments and for trying positions.



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      • Derick Odemba
        Dear all, I hope this finds you all well.For those who do not know me, my name is Derick Odemba, a kenyan national working in Mozambique as a volunteer with
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          Dear all,

          I hope this finds you all well.For those who do not
          know me, my name is Derick Odemba, a kenyan national
          working in Mozambique as a volunteer with
          VSO(Voluntary Service Overseas). Specifically I work
          for Ministry of Education in an ICT project that
          provides ICT services and solutions to the educational
          sector in Mozambique. I work as ICT Trainer and
          Adviser. Above all I am a FOSS enthusiast and I
          deliver training on the same.

          Back in kenya I come from mbita where Samuel comes
          from. I personally know Sam,whom I met at the Africa
          Source II in Uganda early this year.I think i have
          also communicated with kennedy on email once before. I
          believe there's so much I can offer to the proposed
          project in mbita in particular and the group in
          general.

          Sam and Kennedy, i hope to see you soon when I come
          home.

          Cheers

          Derick

          --- Derick Odemba <dodemba@...> wrote:

          > Hi Samuel,
          >
          > Please keep me more posted on this.I think you are
          > doing a splendid work
          >
          > Derick
          >
          > --- samuel kongere <samkongere2004@...> wrote:
          >
          > > Dear Jeff, Andrius, and all,
          > >
          > > I have the pleasure to inform you that I am
          > Kenyan
          > > Citizen and living in mbita. I am working in more
          > > trans-sectional community information and
          > technology
          > > improvement in mbita and Rusinga Island. I am
          > > working with Rusinga Island Youth development
          > forum
          > > initiative(RIYDFI). I am an FOSS activist.
          > >
          > > I also wish to tell members that I know Ken
          > > Onyango and I am ready to work with Jeff in the
          > > community multi-Learning Center.This Is a project
          > we
          > > wish to explore many thoughts on ECO VILLAGE ideas
          > .
          > >
          > >
          > > Jeff go ahead and have us plan for this and you
          > > can have the plan proposal for the Mult-learning
          > > center.
          > >
          > > Thanks,
          > > SAM
          > >
          > > Jeff Buderer <jeff@...>
          > wrote:
          > > Andrius,
          > >
          > > Thanks for the offer. I do think you have put
          > > forward a good plan. My
          > > suggestion would be to work with Samwell in moving
          > > forward on his plan
          > > for a learning center. Seeing the value created
          > from
          > > his work as
          > > potentially usable for our other community
          > > development related projects.
          > >
          > > I think we should keep the focus on developing a
          > > community center that
          > > could possibly at one point morph into a fully
          > > featured ecovillage for
          > > Mbita. This is also the sort of groundwork we
          > (OVF)
          > > did with Kennedy
          > > Onyango when he was director of OVF Kenya in 2004
          > > (Kennedy just
          > > introduced himself to the Global Villages group).
          > I
          > > would suggest that
          > > our work in trying to create a Unity Center in
          > Mbita
          > > then, could also be
          > > considered in regards to this potential
          > initiative.
          > > Possibly since both
          > > Samwel and Kennedy are in Mbita Kenya, they could
          > > work together on this
          > > project. This is something that Samwel could
          > > consider. I am not sure if
          > > he knows Kennedy personally or is aware of his
          > > previous work.
          > >
          > > Jeff
          > >
          > > Kulikauskas wrote:
          > >
          > > > Samwel Kongere in Kenya is available to help us
          > > with various projects
          > > > that we might have at our lab. I have agreed to
          > > provide and send him
          > > > $100 for him if he can find somebody at our lab
          > > that he might work
          > > > openly for on some project. This is enough money
          > > for two months of
          > > > part-time work.
          > > >
          > > > Lucas, Janet, Jeff, Franz, Pamela and all,
          > please
          > > consider if there's a
          > > > project that you would like Samwel to help you
          > > with. It should be a
          > > > project which results in open work including
          > > letters to our groups, chat
          > > > transcripts sent to our groups, wiki pages
          > > created, research done and
          > > > shared, or anything like that. You would need to
          > > be in touch with
          > > > Samwel by email and/or chat and/or possibly
          > Skype.
          > > See my thoughts in
          > > > my chat further below. Samwel's email is:
          > > samkongere2004-AT-yahoo.com
          > > >
          > > > This is an opportunity to have a field agent in
          > > rural Kenya, near Mbita
          > > > and Lake Victoria. I think of Michael Franz
          > > Reinisch of
          > > > http://www.globalmilling.com
          > > <http://www.globalmilling.com> who I met
          > > > through Franz Nahrada here in
          > > > Vienna, and who is looking for buyers of an
          > > innovative mobile mill that
          > > > keeps a grain's nutritious germ rather than
          > throw
          > > it away.
          > > >
          > > > Or I think of Nikos's work on social housing.
          > > Nikos, perhaps you know
          > > > of a person who might like to work with Samwel
          > so
          > > that Samwel collects
          > > > ideas and interviews?
          > > >
          > > > The best projects for us would be those where
          > > Samwel can work openly as
          > > > a researcher. And I think he can do his best
          > work
          > > if it relates to his
          > > > key concept "Motivation through sacrifice" and
          > his
          > > investigatory
          > > > question "How I can find for myself and live
          > > comfortably while helping
          > > > others?" Please note also that I will send
          > Samwel
          > > my money as soon as
          > > > the project is defined and the work has started.
          > > This is so that he can
          > > > provide for himself and his family, the project
          > be
          > > understood as our
          > > > co-investment, and the money not be used as
          > > pressure.
          > > >
          > > > I think it is fantastic that we have this
          > > opportunity to work with an
          > > > intelligent and motivated researcher in rural
          > > Africa. This is a very
          > > > inexpensive way to give our work great meaning.
          > I
          > > can provide the
          > > > money, but I need somebody to work directly with
          > > Samwel so that the work
          > > > is open and visible at our lab, but I do not
          > have
          > > to involve myself
          > > > directly.
          > > >
          > > > I share Samwel's letter and our chat.
          > > > More about Samwel here:
          > > >
          > http://www.openleader.info/wiki.cgi?SamwelKongere
          > > >
          > >
          > <http://www.openleader.info/wiki.cgi?SamwelKongere>
          > > >
          > > > Andrius
          > > >
          > > > Andrius Kulikauskas
          > > > Minciu Sodas
          > > > http://www.ms.lt <http://www.ms.lt>
          > > > ms@... <mailto:ms%40ms.lt>
          > > >
          > > > samuel kongere wrote:
          > > >
          > > > > Dear All,
          > > > >
          > > > > I believe in the concepts and my concept has
          > > always been
          > > > > "motivativation through suffering".Some
          > > sacrifice to help others while
          > > > > I also help myself. These are the words of
          > value
          > > to me and hope
          > > > > through them I will be able to work with or
          > for
          > > any member Of our
          > > > groups.
          > > > >
          > > > > I am now doing own community Transectional
          > drive
          > > to get some actual
          > > > > informations and identify the government
          > > protocol in creating
          > > > > awareness on sanitation regarding bird flu.
          > This
          > > is going to apply
          > > > > very well if I have information about groups
          > > vetting for information
          > > > > and appraisals. In this field I can be happy
          > to
          > > work with Lucas as he
          > > > > is convasant with our country and his
          > knowledge
          > > on bird Flu.
          > > > >
          > > > > In the other aspect, i am going to get groups
          > > environmental
          > > > > information to help get them prepared for the
          > > Bird flu. Any interested
          > > > > person in our groups can get me through to
          > help
          > > the projects. This is
          > > > > going to make me have community based
          > > information and school based
          > > > > information. These bases will help in making
          > > information monitoring
          > > > > and evaluations for calamity preparedness.
          > > > >
          > > > > I am also of the opinion to find problems
          > > affecting our slum dwellers
          > > > > and more problems which are being caused by up
          > > coming settlements. Any
          > > > > body can help if he/ she needs some
          > information
          > > about settlement and
          > > > > slum improvement.Any interested member can
          > > contact me and we see away
          > > > > forward to get info about these projects and
          > we
          > > can work together.
          > > > >
          > > > > Thanks I would hope hear your comments and
          > work
          > > together.
          > > > >
          > > > > Samwel
          > > >
          > > > Samwel and Andrius chat 2006.06.06
          > > >
          > >
          >
          ----------------------------------------------------------
          > > > Samwel: Hello Andrius :: Long time
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Hi Samwel!
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: fine and trying myself to hear from you
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: yes :: How are you doing? I am happy
          > with
          > > your
          > > > work for us. Thank you.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: how was your trip?
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: I am still traveling. I am in Vienna
          > > visiting Franz
          > > > Nahrada.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: Pass my regards to Him
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Yes, I just did. He says hello. :: He
          > > invites you
          > > > to write about your local activities as a
          > picture
          > > so that an outsider
          > > > could understand more of what you and your
          > > colleagues are doing. ::
          > > > Also, I met with Michael of
          > > http://www.globalmilling.com
          > > > <http://www.globalmilling.com> :: They are
          > > > selling a mobile mill for about 150,000 euros
          > that
          > > may be useful in
          > > > Kenya because it keeps the grain's germ and thus
          > > its nutrition. Modern
          > > > milling technologies throw away the germ. Also,
          > > this mill can be used
          > > > with a variety of crops and moved in different
          > > seasons. :: Perhaps
          > > > you know somebody who might be interested? ::
          > You
          > > can write to
          > > > Michael Franz Reinisch at mfr AT
          > globalmilling.com
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: are you usnig a different version Of
          > > Yahoo.
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: yes :: I am using Kopete messenger
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: you went missing
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: I will log out and try the regular
          > Yahoo
          > > :: one moment
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: wonder to me :: ok
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Hi Samwel, are you there?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: yes tell me what ever plan you have for
          > me
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: do you have work now for somebody?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: i am not working for anybody neither
          > there
          > > is no work
          > > > for me
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: My plan for you now is that you find
          > > somebody in our
          > > > lab that you could help. For example, Lucas.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: ok
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: If you can work with them, then I can
          > > probably find a
          > > > little bit of money.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: ON what particularly?
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: But I need you to work publicly for
          > them,
          > > not for me.
          > > > :: The best would be to relate it to your key
          > > concept "motivation
          > > > through sacrifice" and your investigatory
          > question
          > > :: What did you
          > > > learn from your interviews?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: Too much on how information is important
          > > for development
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: One thing that I need help with is
          > > writing first hand
          > > > accounts of how people learned about their
          > "money
          > > mind" :: You are a
          > > > good writer
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: ok go on :: money mind is?
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: So I will try to write some sample
          > > stories of how I
          > > > and others learned new principles because our
          > old
          > > ways of thinking got
          > > > us stuck :: "Money mind" is how we think about
          > > money, value, wealth,
          > > > giving, working and other such topics.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: fine
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Another topic to work on is helping
          > Nikos
          > > Salingaros,
          > > > he is writing a paper on how to make social
          > > housing livable.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: i had such information in my interview
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Yes, very good. :: Do you have housing
          > > for the
          > > > poor in Kenya?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: Ihave seen such
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: One thing to study is how poor people
          > > live in slums
          > > > and in state housing.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: yes it is A social problem :: definately
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: What are good "patterns"? What makes
          > the
          > > housing more
          > > > "alive", "wholesome", "positive"? :: How can it
          > be
          > > better?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: I have heard about many problems and we
          > > have the
          > > > langest slums in Africa
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Another project is to help Janet
          > somehow.
          > > We should
          > > > ask her what would be helpful. Perhaps you can
          > be
          > > her secretary. She
          > > > can give letters for you to help respond to.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: going in to the slums and finding
          > > Inforamtion on the
          > > > government protocol on slums improvement
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: yes and talking to people :: what they
          > > think would
          > > > make things better :: or what makes things
          > better
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: I love the way you are coming up ask
          > Janet
          > > about that
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Another person to help is Lucas with
          > the
          > > bird flu.
          > > > :: How can we help people prepare for bird flu?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: ...and remember I am only in a new
          > > beginning to start
          > > > capacity building trainings on FOSS
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: One idea is for you to go into the
          > slums
          > > and see who
          > > > the natural leadership is, and how to work with
          > > them, how to support
          > > > them if there is a human flu pandemic. :: Or,
          > for
          > > example, how to
          > > > support them with the current HIV/AIDS pandemic.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: We had talked with Lucas but I am still
          > > waiting His
          > > > response
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: How are they dealing with that? And how
          > > can we help?
          > > > :: Another person to help is Franz Nahrada. He
          > is
          > > working on "video
          > > > bridges". Is there a center with good Internet
          > > access that has a web
          > > > camera and would like to build video bridges
          > with
          > > us?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: We had gone through this in our
          > discusion
          > > with Ken and
          > > > Henry and nobody seems to be helping share the
          > > info :: Not near me
          > > > but a bit far , there are
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Another person to help is Jeff Buderer
          > of
          > > One Village
          > > > http://www.onevillage.biz
          > > <http://www.onevillage.biz> And another is
          > > > Pamela McLean of CAWD
          > > > http://www.cawd.net <http://www.cawd.net> They
          > are
          > > interested in
          > > > distance learning in Africa.
          > > > :: Maybe Pamela would be interested in working
          > > with you on the flash
          > > > cards.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: Get them Across my line please
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: You have a computer at home now, yes?
          > ::
          > > Another
          > > > idea is for you to learn PHP/MySQL programming
          > and
          > > help us build tools
          > > > for our websites.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: no at a centre 10 km away
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: And you could organize distance
          > learning
          > > for website
          > > > programming.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: These are the Tech I need :: surely
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: So I will share our chat. It's
          > important
          > > that you
          > > > write letters and see who responds and be
          > patient
          > > and try to work with
          > > > them. :: You are making great progress.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: send me other info
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: I can provide a little bit of money for
          > > your work, but
          > > > you need to find somebody to work for and
          > develop
          > > a small project with
          > > > them, and maintain contact with them. :: This
          > way
          > > we involve more
          > > > people.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: ....and remember Janet is having the
          > > proposal
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: yes :: you mention that "information is
          > > important
          > > > for development" :: what kind of information is
          > > most important to you?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: yes :: The money you say will be for
          > what
          > > project?
          > > > :: Inwardly technology information Updates and
          > > such like development
          > > > is Important :: Sharing information is also
          > > Important to me and My
          > > > commuinty for development
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: I can send you $100 for a project if
          > you
          > > can find
          > > > somebody in our laboratory who you could do the
          > > project for, and who
          > > > would work with you.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: I had identified Lucas on the prepared
          > for
          > > the bird flu
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Yes, he might be interested.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: And while I was Nairobi before falling
          > > sick I had many
          > > > loophole
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Please tell me more about your family's
          > > grain business.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: to see how our country can be prepaid
          > not
          > > just saying
          > > > being free :: Our village people spend with
          > > folkens in side their
          > > > houses and starting from here is important info
          > ::
          > > Yes our grain
          > > > business is what my family depends on
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Do you sell the grain? Do you mill the
          > > grain?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: ....and currently we were focusing on
          > > buying astore but
          > > > we ahven't reaced the amount required for the
          > > purcahse :: We had
          > > > seling grains on the retail level but hope to
          > > expand and this forms the
          > > > future plans :: We don't mill the grains but
          > sell
          > > to those who mill it
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Is it possible that you could find a
          > > buyer for an
          > > > innovative mill? such as the ones sold by
          > > http://www.globalmilling.com
          > > > <http://www.globalmilling.com> ?
          > > > :: Or that you could prepare a list of potential
          > > buyers?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: Now this needs too much concentration
          > > baseline survey
          > > > before giving details
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: This is one possible work that you
          > could
          > > do. I spoke
          > > > with Michael Franz Reinisch and I recommend that
          > > he hire you for such
          > > > work if you are interested. And then the two of
          > > you should structure
          > > > your relationship so that he pays you a minimum
          > > for your time and also a
          > > > good commission if you make a sale, or help make
          > a
          > > sale.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: Wonderful let me check on the link
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: I think that a next step in all these
          > > projects is for
          > > > you to write more about yourself and your local
          > > activities.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: ....and send his contacts :: yes ...and
          > > when do you
          > > > that
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: His email is mfr AT globalmilling.com
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: That will be possibe to be received by
          > > you?
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: You should write to our groups. :: And
          > to
          > > him and
          > > > you can CC me.
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: Can i email him now
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: yes
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: good
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: Also, for our lab, it would be helpful
          > if
          > > you wrote
          > > > more about your question, "How I can find for
          > > Myself and live
          > > > Comfortably while helping others?" What are you
          > > learning about that?
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: are you prepared to send me the amount
          > > sooner
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: no
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: thanks
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: first you'll have to structure a
          > project
          > > with
          > > > somebody. That may be hard!
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: Ok I will go ahead and see what to do
          > and
          > > proceed
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: ok
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: i am sending mails to the and you can as
          > > well send some
          > > > info about me for those you think can be happy
          > > working with me
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: ok :: thank you for chatting with me!
          > ::
          > > and
          > > > thank you for your work for our lab!
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: thanks can you tell janet About this?
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: yes :: peace
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: I hope you will keep informed
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: let's write through our groups
          > > >
          > > > Samwel: byes
          > > >
          > > > Andrius: bye
          > > >
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        • Jeff Buderer
          Sam, I am preceeding here in terms of offering suggestions about how it might be best to proceed in terms of how best to organize your effort in a effective
          Message 4 of 15 , Jun 19, 2006
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            Sam,

            I am preceeding here in terms of offering suggestions about how it might
            be best to proceed in terms of how best to organize your effort in a
            effective way (this is not to say that I actually do it this way but
            that I would probably be more successful if I did). Regardless there
            needs to be some process of planning. In many cases the pattern I see is
            that groups simply throw together a proposal. Increasingly I seeing this
            as an ineffective as many questions need to be asked and discussed
            before any work is done on a prospoal. In any project there should be a
            starting point and series of steps to get there in terms of making
            decisions about how and when to start and why. I there needs to be a
            workflow process organized BEFORE any proposals are put together. This
            includes asking every question you can imagine in terms of developing a
            realistic proposal to set up your project. I am by no means an expert on
            this and by no means should the below be taken to be the LAW of writing
            proposal (just a potential example):

            - Who is going to be involved and at what levels?
            - What are the goals to be considered in this project?
            - What is the region of intervention and will or can it be expanded? and
            how?
            - What is the plan for sustainability in terms of organizational,
            financial and social/community considerations?
            - How could and should the project be scaled or phased...considering
            various scenarios.
            - Consider the key deliverables and task to complete and a realistic
            timeline to complete them (including the phasing of a process to answer
            these questions to start)
            - Write a compelling summary statement about the project that suits you
            needs and aspirations as well as the community needs.
            - Consider various options for funding and begin research (who will do
            this and when will it start and be completed. then how will it be
            incorporated into the project planning).
            - Site location (what possible sites are there how will this be decided
            and when will the site selection process be initiated and a final
            decision made)
            - What about the parnters?
            - Organizational documentation (are you part of a registered org and is
            it a fully accredited NGO or a CBO? if not you need to register one or
            get one to support your work). All this needs to be properly documented
            in a template/format that is familar to foundations.

            Sam, I will do my best to help in developing a workable plan to get this
            project moving and I know others here want to help but utlimately it
            will be in your hands.

            Kennedy is quite well versed not only in this process but also the key
            ecovillage concepts. He also was one of the key people that enabled
            GRASSUP to be funded in 2004.

            I suggest you and Kennedy and the rest of your team make a list similar
            to the one above and then also develop a process for making decisions as
            the process evolves (possibly you have done this already). You also need
            to come up with a values statement that should govern the process and
            help keep the focus from beginning to end. This deliberative group could
            be the board of directors itself or a implementation group of
            organizational officers that reports to the board. It might be a good
            idea to proceed step by step down the list of things after prioritizing
            the proposal development tasks. Once all the information is collected
            you can then put together the proposal and supporting documents and then
            take the steps to promote your project to relevant groups.

            Jeff

            > Dear Jeff, Andrius, and all,
            >
            > I have the pleasure to inform you that I am Kenyan Citizen and living
            > in mbita. I am working in more trans-sectional community information
            > and technology improvement in mbita and Rusinga Island. I am working
            > with Rusinga Island Youth development forum initiative(RIYDFI). I am
            > an FOSS activist.
            >
            > I also wish to tell members that I know Ken Onyango and I am ready to
            > work with Jeff in the community multi-Learning Center.This Is a
            > project we wish to explore many thoughts on ECO VILLAGE ideas .
            >
            >
            > Jeff go ahead and have us plan for this and you can have the plan
            > proposal for the Mult-learning center.
            >
            > Thanks,
            > SAM
            >
            > *//*
          • samuel kongere
            Dear JEFF, JANET, ANDRIUS AND ALL, First I must say that through this group I have got much more information and people are very eager in our group to see that
            Message 5 of 15 , Jun 20, 2006
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              Dear JEFF, JANET, ANDRIUS AND ALL,
               
              First I must say that through this group I have got much more information and people are very eager in our group to see that we succeed in Mbita.Great...haha!, this is what we have been looking for and those combrades who were with me at the Africa Source II are grateful friends......And having them here is very much pleasure to me, they are making this forum active and lively.
               
              I am not trying to swift thoughts but trying to say that having a project envisioned for Mbita is great to me and the community that I serve. Janet I say that having the proposal copy given to Jeff through you is a great thought and I will see that the idea that I have is taken care of at the forum of exchange of thoughts. Jeff, I must say the propject I dea which I had before since 1996 to date is the idea I am putting forward.
               
              ......And saying so together with Janet and the rest is great having Mbita as the resourceful area in the rural and spilling to different parts of Kenya through one Initiative with a base in Mbita. I say some people here are having projects and diviating from the theme of a better learned community. Statistics show we are going back in Education Standards compared to the time we had independence. Having a learning Center In Mbita is vital to the fishing community.
               
              I therefore will release the budget when there a serious team to make the idea drive to it's climax. We can have phases yes! and the first is to have a one focal point with computers and internet access then move on and on.......I need initial fund or somebody to give computers as a fast technology step for Open sourcse software campaign.
               
              I hope to your commets JEFF when the copy of the propoasal is with you !!!!!!!
               
              Regards,
              Samwel

              Jeff Buderer <jeff@...> wrote:
              Sam,

              I am preceeding here in terms of offering suggestions about how it might
              be best to proceed in terms of how best to organize your effort in a
              effective way (this is not to say that I actually do it this way but
              that I would probably be more successful if I did). Regardless there
              needs to be some process of planning. In many cases the pattern I see is
              that groups simply throw together a proposal. Increasingly I seeing this
              as an ineffective as many questions need to be asked and discussed
              before any work is done on a prospoal. In any project there should be a
              starting point and series of steps to get there in terms of making
              decisions about how and when to start and why. I there needs to be a
              workflow process organized BEFORE any proposals are put together. This
              includes asking every question you can imagine in terms of developing a
              realistic proposal to set up your project. I am by no means an expert on
              this and by no means should the below be taken to be the LAW of writing
              proposal (just a potential example):

              - Who is going to be involved and at what levels?
              - What are the goals to be considered in this project?
              - What is the region of intervention and will or can it be expanded? and
              how?
              - What is the plan for sustainability in terms of organizational,
              financial and social/community considerations?
              - How could and should the project be scaled or phased...considerin g
              various scenarios.
              - Consider the key deliverables and task to complete and a realistic
              timeline to complete them (including the phasing of a process to answer
              these questions to start)
              - Write a compelling summary statement about the project that suits you
              needs and aspirations as well as the community needs.
              - Consider various options for funding and begin research (who will do
              this and when will it start and be completed. then how will it be
              incorporated into the project planning).
              - Site location (what possible sites are there how will this be decided
              and when will the site selection process be initiated and a final
              decision made)
              - What about the parnters?
              - Organizational documentation (are you part of a registered org and is
              it a fully accredited NGO or a CBO? if not you need to register one or
              get one to support your work). All this needs to be properly documented
              in a template/format that is familar to foundations.

              Sam, I will do my best to help in developing a workable plan to get this
              project moving and I know others here want to help but utlimately it
              will be in your hands.

              Kennedy is quite well versed not only in this process but also the key
              ecovillage concepts. He also was one of the key people that enabled
              GRASSUP to be funded in 2004.

              I suggest you and Kennedy and the rest of your team make a list similar
              to the one above and then also develop a process for making decisions as
              the process evolves (possibly you have done this already). You also need
              to come up with a values statement that should govern the process and
              help keep the focus from beginning to end. This deliberative group could
              be the board of directors itself or a implementation group of
              organizational officers that reports to the board. It might be a good
              idea to proceed step by step down the list of things after prioritizing
              the proposal development tasks. Once all the information is collected
              you can then put together the proposal and supporting documents and then
              take the steps to promote your project to relevant groups.

              Jeff

              > Dear Jeff, Andrius, and all,
              >
              > I have the pleasure to inform you that I am Kenyan Citizen and living
              > in mbita. I am working in more trans-sectional community information
              > and technology improvement in mbita and Rusinga Island. I am working
              > with Rusinga Island Youth development forum initiative(RIYDFI) . I am
              > an FOSS activist.
              >
              > I also wish to tell members that I know Ken Onyango and I am ready to
              > work with Jeff in the community multi-Learning Center.This Is a
              > project we wish to explore many thoughts on ECO VILLAGE ideas .
              >
              >
              > Jeff go ahead and have us plan for this and you can have the plan
              > proposal for the Mult-learning center.
              >
              > Thanks,
              > SAM
              >
              > *//*



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            • lucas.gonzalez@canarias.org
              Sam and all, The linux user group where I m active (on-and-off) here in the Canaries has about 200 recyclable computers and more may be coming; I don t know
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                Sam and all,

                The linux user group where I'm active (on-and-off) here in the Canaries has about 200 recyclable computers and more may be coming; I don't know how useable they are. I guess the same happens in other places. I don't know how new-old those computers are, but I know my computer knowledgeable friends are mostly finishing their exams and some will probably be available to help. Help could be in the form of computer and/or know-how. A maths teacher here helped a nun in mainland Spain set up a computer lab at her school - tele-maintenance has continued and all she has to do is replace an old computer every now and then (placing another old computer in its place).

                I'd be happy to help with human networking in this regard. I'm not at all sure old computers can be shipped easily from here; some affectionate reception may be needed on your end, or whatever. I looked for ways to send computers and found nothing directly useful, but might try again.

                I'd bet "abundance shipping" might be somewhat an option to "local reparing", or maybe this is just silly. Franz had comments about this on his blog. We might want to try several things at once in this regard. Resilience.

                I think you want links with Ubuntu in South-Africa. Did you or Henry Migingo finally join the linux user group in Kenya? It's active (I know because I'm still subscribed).

                Lucas
              • Jeff Buderer
                Lucas,. Franz s comments when put together are a cautionary tale for us. Kenya is not Spain for one thing....You dont have a lot of the infrastructure that
                Message 7 of 15 , Jun 20, 2006
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                  Lucas,.

                  Franz's comments when put together are a cautionary tale for us. Kenya
                  is not Spain for one thing....You dont have a lot of the infrastructure
                  that Spain has in Africa and so maintaining a center becomes a lot more
                  challenging.

                  There's a whole economy/industry dedicated to used computers. I am not
                  going to say I am well acqiainted with this but it is my understanding
                  that it is best to ship these in bulk if you are going to do it
                  yourself. It does not make sense to ship small quantities of used
                  computers or even new ones to Africa. So we are talking really about the
                  need to set up a distribution system and so the costs for shipping and
                  moving them and if needed refurbishing them and installing software in
                  them also need to be considered. Groups like Computer Aid provide the
                  computers at relatively low cost.

                  In terms of any project to ship 200 computers over there would be
                  several things to consider:
                  - Project sustainability - You want to make sure the computers are
                  properly utilized and go to their desired locations.
                  - Network development - With that many computers you would need a whole
                  network of centers and so each one need to address the sustainability issue.
                  - Ecological sustainability - Should we think of what is going to done
                  with this computers when they break and can no longer be used? As more
                  computers get sent over the Africa this may become more of an issue.
                  - Condition of Computers - Those 200 computers need to be inventoried
                  and what about upgrades, repairs and software installs.
                  - Shipping details - A portion of a shipping container would need to
                  purchased to ship these over and so research needs to be done to find
                  the details about this process
                  - Project documentation -It would be good to document every step well so
                  that others following these steps would not have to reinvent the wheel
                  so to speak. Maybe the documentation could be posted onto the wiki.

                  So then the key thing - if we would actually decide to move on this -
                  would be to sequence this as part of a larger proposal such as the one
                  which I discussed with Sam in the other email thread. My view is that I
                  would need to see certain sets of information about the specific centers
                  these computers would go into and a demonstration of sustainability
                  before I would do much work on this proposal. Or that this proposal
                  would complement a more generalized and comprehensive funding plan.

                  The point is that it does not make a great deal of sense to put a great
                  effort to ship a bunch of computers into Kenya until and unless you
                  have a concrete program or series of programs to direct the computers
                  to. Possibly GRASSUP could form the backbone of this network? Still my
                  concern would be that there needs to be computers and cash to properly
                  fund these centers and trained staff to maintain and staff them.

                  So then Lucas if we can spare some computers why cant we spare some cash
                  to make sure they are used properly? A fundraising effort might be a
                  great complement to this campaign to collect, process and then ship
                  these computers to Africa to fund the centers as well as more
                  ambitiously a capacity building program.

                  Jeff



                  gonzalez@... wrote:

                  > Sam and all,
                  >
                  > The linux user group where I'm active (on-and-off) here in the
                  > Canaries has about 200 recyclable computers and more may be coming; I
                  > don't know how useable they are. I guess the same happens in other
                  > places. I don't know how new-old those computers are, but I know my
                  > computer knowledgeable friends are mostly finishing their exams and
                  > some will probably be available to help. Help could be in the form of
                  > computer and/or know-how. A maths teacher here helped a nun in
                  > mainland Spain set up a computer lab at her school - tele-maintenance
                  > has continued and all she has to do is replace an old computer every
                  > now and then (placing another old computer in its place).
                  >
                  > I'd be happy to help with human networking in this regard. I'm not at
                  > all sure old computers can be shipped easily from here; some
                  > affectionate reception may be needed on your end, or whatever. I
                  > looked for ways to send computers and found nothing directly useful,
                  > but might try again.
                  >
                  > I'd bet "abundance shipping" might be somewhat an option to "local
                  > reparing", or maybe this is just silly. Franz had comments about this
                  > on his blog. We might want to try several things at once in this
                  > regard. Resilience.
                  >
                  > I think you want links with Ubuntu in South-Africa. Did you or Henry
                  > Migingo finally join the linux user group in Kenya? It's active (I
                  > know because I'm still subscribed).
                  >
                  > Lucas
                  >
                  >
                • Jeff Buderer
                  Lucas,. Franz s comments regarding the project he tried to help (in was it Cameroon?) when put together are a cautionary tale for us. Kenya is not Spain for
                  Message 8 of 15 , Jun 20, 2006
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                    Lucas,.

                    Franz's comments regarding the project he tried to help (in was it
                    Cameroon?) when put together are a cautionary tale for us. Kenya is not
                    Spain for one thing....You dont have a lot of the infrastructure that
                    Spain has in Africa and so maintaining a center becomes a lot more
                    challenging.

                    There's a whole economy/industry dedicated to used computers. I am not
                    going to say I am well acqiainted with this but it is my understanding
                    that it is best to ship these in bulk if you are going to do it
                    yourself. It does not make sense to ship small quantities of used
                    computers or even new ones to Africa. So we are talking really about the
                    need to set up a distribution system and so the costs for shipping and
                    moving them and if needed refurbishing them and installing software in
                    them also need to be considered. Groups like Computer Aid provide the
                    computers at relatively low cost.

                    In terms of any project to ship 200 computers over there would be
                    several things to consider:
                    - Project sustainability - You want to make sure the computers are
                    properly utilized and go to their desired locations.
                    - Network development - With that many computers you would need a whole
                    network of centers and so each one need to address the sustainability issue.
                    - Ecological sustainability - Should we think of what is going to done
                    with this computers when they break and can no longer be used? As more
                    computers get sent over the Africa this may become more of an issue.
                    - Condition of Computers - Those 200 computers need to be inventoried
                    and what about upgrades, repairs and software installs.
                    - Shipping details - A portion of a shipping container would need to
                    purchased to ship these over and so research needs to be done to find
                    the details about this process
                    - Project documentation -It would be good to document every step well so
                    that others following these steps would not have to reinvent the wheel
                    so to speak. Maybe the documentation could be posted onto the wiki.

                    So then the key thing - if we would actually decide to move on this -
                    would be to sequence this as part of a larger proposal such as the one
                    which I discussed with Sam in the other email thread. My view is that I
                    would need to see certain sets of information about the specific centers
                    these computers would go into and a demonstration of sustainability
                    before I would do much work on this proposal. Or that this proposal
                    would complement a more generalized and comprehensive funding plan.

                    The point is that it does not make a great deal of sense to put a great
                    effort to ship a bunch of computers into Kenya until and unless you
                    have a concrete program or series of programs to direct the computers
                    to. Possibly GRASSUP could form the backbone of this network? Still my
                    concern would be that there needs to be computers and cash to properly
                    fund these centers and trained staff to maintain and staff them.

                    So then Lucas if we can spare some computers why cant we spare some cash
                    to make sure they are used properly? A fundraising effort might be a
                    great complement to this campaign to collect, process and then ship
                    these computers to Africa to fund the centers as well as more
                    ambitiously a capacity building program.

                    Jeff



                    gonzalez@... wrote:

                    > Sam and all,
                    >
                    > The linux user group where I'm active (on-and-off) here in the
                    > Canaries has about 200 recyclable computers and more may be coming; I
                    > don't know how useable they are. I guess the same happens in other
                    > places. I don't know how new-old those computers are, but I know my
                    > computer knowledgeable friends are mostly finishing their exams and
                    > some will probably be available to help. Help could be in the form of
                    > computer and/or know-how. A maths teacher here helped a nun in
                    > mainland Spain set up a computer lab at her school - tele-maintenance
                    > has continued and all she has to do is replace an old computer every
                    > now and then (placing another old computer in its place).
                    >
                    > I'd be happy to help with human networking in this regard. I'm not at
                    > all sure old computers can be shipped easily from here; some
                    > affectionate reception may be needed on your end, or whatever. I
                    > looked for ways to send computers and found nothing directly useful,
                    > but might try again.
                    >
                    > I'd bet "abundance shipping" might be somewhat an option to "local
                    > reparing", or maybe this is just silly. Franz had comments about this
                    > on his blog. We might want to try several things at once in this
                    > regard. Resilience.
                    >
                    > I think you want links with Ubuntu in South-Africa. Did you or Henry
                    > Migingo finally join the linux user group in Kenya? It's active (I
                    > know because I'm still subscribed).
                    >
                    > Lucas
                    >
                    >
                  • lucas.gonzalez@canarias.org
                    Jeff and all, It looks like the plot thickens; i.e., we need to take many factors into consideration, and we re doing just that. Now I see why you want to
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                      Jeff and all,

                      It looks like the plot thickens; i.e., we need to take many factors into consideration, and we're doing just that.

                      Now I see why you want to document the process on wikipages, create the big picture with all the details before moving too fast, and outreaching to others who are good at specific things (e.g. moving computers around). Please consider Linux User Groups (and probably ours specifically) as a probable asset in this regard, as a source of "refurbished oldish computers with a mission". You're on your way to providing a clear picture of "the mission". We need to get in touch with people good at moving computers around, and some fund-raising. Yes, it does start to look like a wikipage. A bit like one of those "I'll pay if you pay" pledges, in the making.

                      I can help with our local LUG, if that's seen to be helpful. As I said, my geek friends are finishing their exams and soon we'll be able to know how many computers, how old, how useful, etc. And, if I may insist, there's a LUG in Kenya:
                      * http://www.linux.org/groups/kenya.html
                      * http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=kenya+linux&submit=Search (4 groups)
                      * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kenyalinux/ (the one I'm subscribed at, 222 members)

                      Lucas

                      ----- Mensaje original -----
                      De: Jeff Buderer <jeff@...>
                      Fecha: Martes, Junio 20, 2006 1:49 pm
                      Asunto: Re: [holistichelping] Know
                      A: holistichelping@yahoogroups.com

                      > Lucas,.
                      >
                      > Franz's comments when put together are a cautionary tale for us.
                      > Kenya
                      > is not Spain for one thing....You dont have a lot of the
                      > infrastructure
                      > that Spain has in Africa and so maintaining a center becomes a
                      > lot more
                      > challenging.
                      >
                      > There's a whole economy/industry dedicated to used computers. I
                      > am not
                      > going to say I am well acqiainted with this but it is my
                      > understanding
                      > that it is best to ship these in bulk if you are going to do it
                      > yourself. It does not make sense to ship small quantities of
                      > used
                      > computers or even new ones to Africa. So we are talking really
                      > about the
                      > need to set up a distribution system and so the costs for
                      > shipping and
                      > moving them and if needed refurbishing them and installing
                      > software in
                      > them also need to be considered. Groups like Computer Aid
                      > provide the
                      > computers at relatively low cost.
                      >
                      > In terms of any project to ship 200 computers over there would
                      > be
                      > several things to consider:
                      > - Project sustainability - You want to make sure the computers
                      > are
                      > properly utilized and go to their desired locations.
                      > - Network development - With that many computers you would need
                      > a whole
                      > network of centers and so each one need to address the
                      > sustainability issue.
                      > - Ecological sustainability - Should we think of what is going
                      > to done
                      > with this computers when they break and can no longer be used?
                      > As more
                      > computers get sent over the Africa this may become more of an issue.
                      > - Condition of Computers - Those 200 computers need to be
                      > inventoried
                      > and what about upgrades, repairs and software installs.
                      > - Shipping details - A portion of a shipping container would
                      > need to
                      > purchased to ship these over and so research needs to be done to
                      > find
                      > the details about this process
                      > - Project documentation -It would be good to document every step
                      > well so
                      > that others following these steps would not have to reinvent the
                      > wheel
                      > so to speak. Maybe the documentation could be posted onto the wiki.
                      >
                      > So then the key thing - if we would actually decide to move on
                      > this -
                      > would be to sequence this as part of a larger proposal such as
                      > the one
                      > which I discussed with Sam in the other email thread. My view is
                      > that I
                      > would need to see certain sets of information about the specific
                      > centers
                      > these computers would go into and a demonstration of
                      > sustainability
                      > before I would do much work on this proposal. Or that this
                      > proposal
                      > would complement a more generalized and comprehensive funding
                      > plan.
                      >
                      > The point is that it does not make a great deal of sense
                      > to put a great
                      > effort to ship a bunch of computers into Kenya until and
                      > unless you
                      > have a concrete program or series of programs to direct
                      > the computers
                      > to. Possibly GRASSUP could form the backbone of this network?
                      > Still my
                      > concern would be that there needs to be computers and cash to
                      > properly
                      > fund these centers and trained staff to maintain and staff them.
                      >
                      > So then Lucas if we can spare some computers why cant we spare
                      > some cash
                      > to make sure they are used properly? A fundraising effort might
                      > be a
                      > great complement to this campaign to collect, process and then
                      > ship
                      > these computers to Africa to fund the centers as well as more
                      > ambitiously a capacity building program.
                      >
                      > Jeff
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > gonzalez@... wrote:
                      >
                      > > Sam and all,
                      > >
                      > > The linux user group where I'm active (on-and-off) here in the
                      > > Canaries has about 200 recyclable computers and more may be
                      > coming; I
                      > > don't know how useable they are. I guess the same happens in
                      > other
                      > > places. I don't know how new-old those computers are, but I
                      > know my
                      > > computer knowledgeable friends are mostly finishing their
                      > exams and
                      > > some will probably be available to help. Help could be in the
                      > form of
                      > > computer and/or know-how. A maths teacher here helped a nun in
                      > > mainland Spain set up a computer lab at her school - tele-
                      > maintenance
                      > > has continued and all she has to do is replace an old computer
                      > every
                      > > now and then (placing another old computer in its place).
                      > >
                      > > I'd be happy to help with human networking in this regard. I'm
                      > not at
                      > > all sure old computers can be shipped easily from here; some
                      > > affectionate reception may be needed on your end, or whatever.
                      > I
                      > > looked for ways to send computers and found nothing directly
                      > useful,
                      > > but might try again.
                      > >
                      > > I'd bet "abundance shipping" might be somewhat an option to
                      > "local
                      > > reparing", or maybe this is just silly. Franz had comments
                      > about this
                      > > on his blog. We might want to try several things at once in
                      > this
                      > > regard. Resilience.
                      > >
                      > > I think you want links with Ubuntu in South-Africa. Did you or
                      > Henry
                      > > Migingo finally join the linux user group in Kenya? It's
                      > active (I
                      > > know because I'm still subscribed).
                      > >
                      > > Lucas
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                    • samuel kongere
                      Dear Jeff, Lucas, Andrius, Janet and All, I presume we are doing the right job for mbita and wish to join the global limelight concerning information and
                      Message 10 of 15 , Jun 25, 2006
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                        Dear Jeff, Lucas, Andrius, Janet and All,
                         
                        I presume we are doing the right job for mbita and wish to join the global limelight concerning information and technology. We are very much impressed with the different comments the people in our lab are taking to see that a combined effort is put to have Mbita in the global limelight and this is very suitable for marketing and hence community development as a whole.
                         
                        We are working together with Ken to see things are in place for the proposals made. Our hope as always is to see that we become the next global village with the ICT service deemed for international development, it is an excellent conference to see people wonder on how to help the less previleged in the globe. It was exciting and very interesting. The good thing about it, was that all the pieces  of mind were there to bring thinking together in  technology unity development, the packed programme, the people from all over. It built a sense of community that has not happened before. We really treasure the thoughts brought in by Lucas and we are looking forward to see the thought come true when we indulge in global sharing.
                         
                        Somebody tells me Africa information revolution is wireless and this tells me that Local social information network has no boundary and this is why when people give information and hope to compare development is good in our lab. The question is, are we able to get funds to finalise our dream in Mbita? Or are we on the oughing that things are talked and never reach compromises? Think loud as we are independent thinkers. Is there anybody against the wish of many? We better concentrate and do one project and ride on to see the sense of the forum discussion.
                         
                        Helmut
                         
                         I wish you will come clear I am preparing the mail for the project we are running together with you and Andrius. Be specific as the base line survey is near completion and your proWiki version in English should be received to make me have the full details. I am always thinking loud and this is what makes the man ou of me.
                         
                        Andrius
                         
                        I am very much happy to receive your short notes and i am much hoping to succeed, I am about to be through with the drawing of the map and you know much of my efforts are lost when I walk 10 km to write reports, I just wanted a bit more value to help me have portable laptop which can be used anywhere when work is on, I will contact you for away out.
                         
                        Janet
                         
                        I am through with the form and sent it to Caroline, I am still waiting to get her reply for the completed form. We are going to work with Ken In Grass up Now, I wanted to meet James and Francis when they came to Mbita, we missed one another, haha! I wanted to know if I can help you as one of your secretaries doing something as Andrius had suggested for me. I not very committed now that i am doing part time work for CCF here. There is also good news that electricity is now here and having computers here is paramount and destined to succeed may be putting the said project in the proposal  to be in Phases, we can divide the Idea in phases as you suggested.
                         
                        Jeff
                         
                        I believe by now you have received my proposal copy from Janet but I can still send it accross to you today I hope you get it and Advice for implementation. When I was writing it, we never had power but now there is electricity and putting the project here is well felt.
                         
                        Thanks to all willing to see that we succeed in the Idea of Eco Village learning center.
                         
                        From
                        Samwel


                        lucas.gonzalez@... wrote:
                        Jeff and all,

                        It looks like the plot thickens; i.e., we need to take many factors into consideration, and we're doing just that.

                        Now I see why you want to document the process on wikipages, create the big picture with all the details before moving too fast, and outreaching to others who are good at specific things (e.g. moving computers around). Please consider Linux User Groups (and probably ours specifically) as a probable asset in this regard, as a source of "refurbished oldish computers with a mission". You're on your way to providing a clear picture of "the mission". We need to get in touch with people good at moving computers around, and some fund-raising. Yes, it does start to look like a wikipage. A bit like one of those "I'll pay if you pay" pledges, in the making.

                        I can help with our local LUG, if that's seen to be helpful. As I said, my geek friends are finishing their exams and soon we'll be able to know how many computers, how old, how useful, etc. And, if I may insist, there's a LUG in Kenya:
                        * http://www.linux. org/groups/ kenya.html
                        * http://groups. yahoo.com/ search?query= kenya+linux& submit=Search (4 groups)
                        * http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/kenyalinux / (the one I'm subscribed at, 222 members)

                        Lucas

                        ----- Mensaje original -----
                        De: Jeff Buderer <jeff@onevillagefoun dation.org>
                        Fecha: Martes, Junio 20, 2006 1:49 pm
                        Asunto: Re: [holistichelping] Know
                        A: holistichelping@ yahoogroups. com

                        > Lucas,.
                        >
                        > Franz's comments when put together are a cautionary tale for us.
                        > Kenya
                        > is not Spain for one thing....You dont have a lot of the
                        > infrastructure
                        > that Spain has in Africa and so maintaining a center becomes a
                        > lot more
                        > challenging.
                        >
                        > There's a whole economy/industry dedicated to used computers. I
                        > am not
                        > going to say I am well acqiainted with this but it is my
                        > understanding
                        > that it is best to ship these in bulk if you are going to do it
                        > yourself. It does not make sense to ship small quantities of
                        > used
                        > computers or even new ones to Africa. So we are talking really
                        > about the
                        > need to set up a distribution system and so the costs for
                        > shipping and
                        > moving them and if needed refurbishing them and installing
                        > software in
                        > them also need to be considered. Groups like Computer Aid
                        > provide the
                        > computers at relatively low cost.
                        >
                        > In terms of any project to ship 200 computers over there would
                        > be
                        > several things to consider:
                        > - Project sustainability - You want to make sure the computers
                        > are
                        > properly utilized and go to their desired locations.
                        > - Network development - With that many computers you would need
                        > a whole
                        > network of centers and so each one need to address the
                        > sustainability issue.
                        > - Ecological sustainability - Should we think of what is going
                        > to done
                        > with this computers when they break and can no longer be used?
                        > As more
                        > computers get sent over the Africa this may become more of an issue.
                        > - Condition of Computers - Those 200 computers need to be
                        > inventoried
                        > and what about upgrades, repairs and software installs.
                        > - Shipping details - A portion of a shipping container would
                        > need to
                        > purchased to ship these over and so research needs to be done to
                        > find
                        > the details about this process
                        > - Project documentation -It would be good to document every step
                        > well so
                        > that others following these steps would not have to reinvent the
                        > wheel
                        > so to speak. Maybe the documentation could be posted onto the wiki.
                        >
                        > So then the key thing - if we would actually decide to move on
                        > this -
                        > would be to sequence this as part of a larger proposal such as
                        > the one
                        > which I discussed with Sam in the other email thread. My view is
                        > that I
                        > would need to see certain sets of information about the specific
                        > centers
                        > these computers would go into and a demonstration of
                        > sustainability
                        > before I would do much work on this proposal. Or that this
                        > proposal
                        > would complement a more generalized and comprehensive funding
                        > plan.
                        >
                        > The point is that it does not make a great deal of sense
                        > to put a great
                        > effort to ship a bunch of computers into Kenya until and
                        > unless you
                        > have a concrete program or series of programs to direct
                        > the computers
                        > to. Possibly GRASSUP could form the backbone of this network?
                        > Still my
                        > concern would be that there needs to be computers and cash to
                        > properly
                        > fund these centers and trained staff to maintain and staff them.
                        >
                        > So then Lucas if we can spare some computers why cant we spare
                        > some cash
                        > to make sure they are used properly? A fundraising effort might
                        > be a
                        > great complement to this campaign to collect, process and then
                        > ship
                        > these computers to Africa to fund the centers as well as more
                        > ambitiously a capacity building program.
                        >
                        > Jeff
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > gonzalez@canarias. org wrote:
                        >
                        > > Sam and all,
                        > >
                        > > The linux user group where I'm active (on-and-off) here in the
                        > > Canaries has about 200 recyclable computers and more may be
                        > coming; I
                        > > don't know how useable they are. I guess the same happens in
                        > other
                        > > places. I don't know how new-old those computers are, but I
                        > know my
                        > > computer knowledgeable friends are mostly finishing their
                        > exams and
                        > > some will probably be available to help. Help could be in the
                        > form of
                        > > computer and/or know-how. A maths teacher here helped a nun in
                        > > mainland Spain set up a computer lab at her school - tele-
                        > maintenance
                        > > has continued and all she has to do is replace an old computer
                        > every
                        > > now and then (placing another old computer in its place).
                        > >
                        > > I'd be happy to help with human networking in this regard. I'm
                        > not at
                        > > all sure old computers can be shipped easily from here; some
                        > > affectionate reception may be needed on your end, or whatever.
                        > I
                        > > looked for ways to send computers and found nothing directly
                        > useful,
                        > > but might try again.
                        > >
                        > > I'd bet "abundance shipping" might be somewhat an option to
                        > "local
                        > > reparing", or maybe this is just silly. Franz had comments
                        > about this
                        > > on his blog. We might want to try several things at once in
                        > this
                        > > regard. Resilience.
                        > >
                        > > I think you want links with Ubuntu in South-Africa. Did you or
                        > Henry
                        > > Migingo finally join the linux user group in Kenya? It's
                        > active (I
                        > > know because I'm still subscribed).
                        > >
                        > > Lucas
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        >



                        Samwel Okech kongere
                        Nyamuga primary school
                        P.O BOX 191,
                        MBITA  040305-KENYA.
                        Cell: +254 725 600 439
                        Computer specielist
                        Community Development
                        UDOGO youth development group-coordinator
                         


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                      • Jeff Buderer
                        Masimba, Thought the links below might be of interest to you: Changemakers.org is now accepting applications for a contest on low cost housing
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                          Masimba,

                          Thought the links below might be of interest to you:

                          Changemakers.org is now accepting applications for a contest on low cost
                          housing http://www.changemakers.net/journal/300606/

                          Paul Cohen <http://www.ashoka.org/fellows/viewprofile3.cfm?reid=97498>
                          an Ashoka fellow has been pioneering low cost building technologies in
                          South Africa.

                          Keep in touch.

                          Jeff Buderer
                          oneVillage Foundation



                          > Dear Andrius,
                          >
                          > In reference to the discussion below, I just want to
                          > find out whwther Nikos Salingaros will be interested
                          > in doing some write up on Zimbabwe.
                          >
                          > We have interesting (weell sad) developments over the
                          > past two years with regards housing for the poor.
                          >
                          > Government, last year, demolished all the shanties in
                          > the urban areas of Zimbabwe, leaving over 700,000
                          > people homeless. The argument of government was that
                          > it wanted to make housing livable for the poor.
                          >
                          > Now, they are in the process of constructing low-cost
                          > housing for the poor.
                          >
                          > The level of the destruction of shanties is
                          > incidentally the biggest in the world.
                          >
                          > If Nikos is interested on more information, I need to
                          > know what exactly he is looking for, otherwise
                          > Zimbabwe makes an interesting case in this respect.
                          >
                          > Thank You
                          >
                          > God Bless
                          >
                          > Masimba Biriwasha
                          >
                          > > Andrius: Another topic to work on is helping Nikos
                          > Salingaros,> he is writing a paper on how to make
                          > social housing livable.
                          > >
                          > > Samwel: i had such information in my interview
                          > >
                          > > Andrius: Yes, very good. :: Do you have housing for
                          > the
                          > > poor in Kenya?
                          > >
                          > > Samwel: Ihave seen such
                          > >
                          > > Andrius: One thing to study is how poor people live
                          > in slums
                          > > and in state housing.
                          >
                          > I have a strong feeling that every person owes it to him/herself, and
                          to the cause which he is serving to keep their body strong and healthy,
                          for better or worse, for disappointments and for trying positions.
                          >
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