Samwel and Andrius chat about proposals
- Samwel Kongere and I chatted today, see below. Samwel is not able to
join us at our chat room because of restrictions by his Internet Service
Provider during the week. So instead he has to rely on Yahoo Instant
Samwel is interested in "knowledge based approaches" and we discussed
what that means. It's the "caring about thinking" that should be part of
every task. As we do each task, we take care to discover and share the
knowledge involved. And we give tasks to those who might learn the most
from them, instead of to experts or to beginners.
This is very much at the heart of Marcin Jakubowski's Open Source
Ecology and also the many different angles that we bring to "pattern
languages" for developing "global villages". As I look for new clients,
I will be writing proposals to link areas across the world that might
participate in "open source" knowledge sharing. For example, Steve
Bosserman's community in Columbus, Ohio and "nearby" initiatives like
Marcin's in Missouri might benefit from having their innovative
practices attempted in Africa and elsewhere where it might cost less to
explore them and document the results. Or Samwel Kongere and others
might visit and help at the farm as Marcin has suggested and also learn
and document. Or others might visit Samwel as has already started thanks
to CouchSurfing.org and such sites like HospitalityClub.org which we
learned of from Dante Gabryell-Monson, Markus Petz, Eric Schneider,
Synnove Mathe, our nomad friends.
In August, I will be focused on finding new clients. I am writing
proposals, see http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Proposals My first
proposal is to create a system for our colleagues, like Wendi in
Cameroon, to download all the new content from our lab (letters, wiki
pages, chat) from the past week or month so they can take it home and
read it at their leisure at their own computer rather than pay $3 per
hour for Internet access. And then write responses using their browser
results. I want to find somebody to pay me (and us) to work on this. I
think that it is very valuable but there are also many business
opportunities because people could download various kinds of knowledge
work and then upload it when they are done. Perhaps Amazon might fund
this work, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Mechanical_Turk
My second project would be to create a Global Villages Index for
self-rating "Hubs" for Co-working along many different dimensions. My
thought (or I suppose it is One Village's thought) is that "unity
centers" are vibrant when people can come to them with any manner of issue.
My third project would be to encourage the documentation of a pattern
language for such hubs (seeds of Global Villages) that is based on
I appreciate our thoughts on any related (or unrelated) projects or client.
Also, good news is that our Minciu Sodas lab is part of the COMMUNIA
team that won the competition to organize the European Union thematic
network for the Public Domain. This means that we will receive 4,800 EUR
per year for three years to pay our travel costs to participate in three
workshops and one conference per year. If we are careful with our costs
(and make use of HospitalityClub, etc.!) then we should be able to pay
for at least one person to travel to join me at these events. Indeed, it
may be possible to invite our African colleagues, perhaps starting with
Samwel Kongere in the spring so I will inquire. The first meeting is
September 28 in Torino, Italy so I will go there and then plan to visit
Maria Agnese Giraudo in Rome and then travel to Kirchbach, Austria for
the MIR meeting in mid-October. I will also see if we can fund Sasha
Mrkailo to attend in Torino. I would also like to visit the Balkans. It
will depend on my cash flow and how things go looking for work.
Thanks in part to Sasha Mrkailo's research, I am getting close to buying
two projectors for our video bridges, an Optoma EP780 that is 4,000
lumens and an Optoma EP773 that is 3,500 lumens for a total price of
+370 (699) 30003
Andrius Kulikauskas: Hi Samwel, how are you?
… Would you like to talk? [...]
Samwel Kongere: this and yahoo are my only free space [...]
Andrius Kulikauskas: what do you mean free space? [...]
… I still need to calculate I think there is still some money for your team
Samwel Kongere: There is restriction here from our ISP
Andrius Kulikauskas: I sent you 1000 USD for you as team leader for
… and I think that I also sent about 200 USD for your team's project
… and 100 USD in equipment [...]
... and so there should be 200 USD left [...]
Samwel Kongere: just do the calculations
… I am sending another mail now from the partner ICT
Andrius Kulikauskas: ok
Samwel Kongere: You can view the info I sending now!
Andrius Kulikauskas: I am now writing proposals to find new client
… Would you like to be involved, yes?
Samwel Kongere: wonderful
… as always
Andrius Kulikauskas: Excellent
… It would be very interesting to hear from you some time about your
… what you have learned from your experiences
Samwel Kongere: I see you must allow me to train in video editing and
Andrius Kulikauskas: How I can find for Myself and live Comfortably
while helping others?
… perhaps you solved this question?
… to your satisfaction or not yet?
Samwel Kongere: not yet?
… read this mail I send now
Andrius Kulikauskas: I think you made a lot of progress in your personal
life which was a very difficult question. It would be great if you might
share what you learned and think and suggest.
… Yes I'm waiting for your letter
… Also you have another question: How can i change our people's mind set
to knowledge based approach?
… That is also good - if you write more about that we can understand
better how we might work with you on many projects. What do you mean by
"knowledge based approach"? How do you imagine it?
Samwel Kongere: You know you have made me the hero
Andrius Kulikauskas: I think you are a hero
… and we need many heroes!
Samwel Kongere: considering technology and education in general
Andrius Kulikauskas: but maybe we can chat in our chat room?
Samwel Kongere: We may be approaching development vaguely or ignorantly
without proper knowledge but skill is necessary
… no I cann't access it here it is blocked, only on Weekends
Andrius Kulikauskas: oh
Samwel Kongere: this has been my problem and internet in only here in mbita
Andrius Kulikauskas: The "knowledge based approach" is important for how
we might help with disease prevention and response
Samwel Kongere: yes with information we can avoid mistakes for survival
Andrius Kulikauskas: It would be good if we might think of a proposal
on-the-ground in Rusinga Island and other places that we can do and I
can look for clients for.
Samwel Kongere: great
Andrius Kulikauskas: Something that relates to this question.
Samwel Kongere: Asif is looking for the same and Chris
Andrius Kulikauskas: yes
… How would you relate "knowledge based approach" with "outreach"?
… For example, we have a diagram of our endeavors:
… and I'm interested where a knowledge based approach fits with that.
Samwel Kongere: and if you joined us hands then we start an information
hub here in Rusinga
… I did sent some videos to GUilhem in london today and he can receive
them this week
… I had friends from polland who satyed with me for 7 days and were
going back to london before polland
… I mean if we are not knowledgeable we are not going to succeed
Andrius Kulikauskas: How did you meet your friends from Poland?
Samwel Kongere: Through couch surfing and before from US
Andrius Kulikauskas: that's great!
… we should encourage more of us to join, yes?
Samwel Kongere: at the sametime we had visitors from Uk who promised to
work with later
… In ICT concerning knowledge based appraoch in primary schools
Andrius Kulikauskas: it is good if you can sign people up for Mendenyo
Samwel Kongere: yes I must get concerned people
… not just signing
Andrius Kulikauskas: yes but it is hard to know who is concerned and who
… if 10% participate that is pretty good
… and they may not participate but they will remember you
Samwel Kongere: ok
Andrius Kulikauskas: and they may recommend you or help some day
… and also it is meaningful for them often I think
… ask them and they will say yes or no
Samwel Kongere: yes those from America are willing to come back
Andrius Kulikauskas: Samwel, what do you think is the difference between
a knowledge based approach and the usual way of doing things?
Samwel Kongere: I thought I could make photos and upload them easily and
found out without knowledge you can't
Andrius Kulikauskas: I see
Samwel Kongere: this approach is necessary for success
Andrius Kulikauskas: knowledge as the missing ingredient?
Samwel Kongere: are you seeing the sense
Andrius Kulikauskas: yes, having the knowledge that you need for an activity
Samwel Kongere: It is not assuming but must be fluent for a job through
Andrius Kulikauskas: and also I think discovering and sharing that knowledge
Samwel Kongere: yes ...sure
Andrius Kulikauskas: yes - "not assuming" - that is very important in
our work ethic
… because so often people assume and become sloppy
… we suffer from this
… and for our global teams it is very important
Samwel Kongere: Our people are messed up in parliament do the same
Andrius Kulikauskas: to have a high standard of consideration
… and not be lazy in our thinking.
Samwel Kongere: this is may observation knowledge first
Andrius Kulikauskas: For me it also means that every time we do
something we should be concerned for the related knowledge
… to learn something as we are doing
… to cultivate that knowledge
… with every task
… and to share that knowledge
… to give the work to the person who will learn the most from it
… not the person who is already an expert
… and not the beginner who is not capable
… but to the person who will grow the most from the challenge
… I try to do this at our lab.
Samwel Kongere: good you are getting the point
Andrius Kulikauskas: So your investigatory question is How can we change
people's mindset to such an approach?
… Do you have any thoughts on how to investigate that?
… Also, that is what Marcin Jakubowski is doing with Open Source
Ecology. He is documenting all the knowledge in an "open source" way for
starting a farm. And I think the practical question is, What is the
practical way to share our knowledge about life's activities?
Samwel Kongere: if you are challenged through konwledge you will succeed
… this approach is wonderful
… yes he has been requesting me to go there for some months and wanted
Andrius Kulikauskas: oh that's great
Samwel Kongere: but I must posses knowledge to go
Andrius Kulikauskas: yes and also have a network for sharing his
knowledge in your area, and your area in his
… so that is something that we could have a project for
… is sharing the knowledge for our projects
… because somethings it is better to document in Mbita and other things
it is better to document in Missouri
… depending on the nature of the project and the resources available
Samwel Kongere: he need me to buy my ticket but I have to come to Europe
for knowledge if you agree and do the others later
… i see
Andrius Kulikauskas: lets develop a proposal and Steve Bosserman will be
very interested because he is not too far away in Columbus, Ohio
Samwel Kongere: ok this can do
Andrius Kulikauskas: maybe about 1000 kilometers
… but the idea is to start "open source ecology" networks in the US and
… and share knowledge, especially from small-projects
Samwel Kongere: great if this is known by our other members it can be great
Andrius Kulikauskas: for example, Fred Kayiwa is interested in beekeeping
… and he can do 10 hives for 300 USD or so
… and he could document what he does
… and that could be useful for beekeepers in the US
… because it would save them work.
Samwel Kongere: i See
Andrius Kulikauskas: to document is a lot of work.
… And also we can create a "pattern language" kind of thinking
… how each activity connects with other activities and supports them
… So I think that is another proposal we want to do is a pattern
language for global villages.
Samwel Kongere: yes this was our initail idea
Andrius Kulikauskas: It's important to write publicly wherever we can
because otherwise people don't know and can't be included! That is also
a knowledge based approach I think.
Samwel Kongere: yes
… I first make an approach and sell it
… I like your ideas
… I will try to define our mission with Marcin and see our members responces
Andrius Kulikauskas: Samwel, may I share our chat? That would be very
helpful. I can remove any parts as you wish.
Samwel Kongere: Check on it and share it
… Send the reagrds for not attending the chat sessions
Andrius Kulikauskas: yes
Samwel Kongere: Tell them my situation and our great interests
… and you can before you share this, inform of the arrangement and plans
you have for my Europe tripe?
Andrius Kulikauskas: I don't know yet let's think. But I'm certainly
interested. We have one possibility perhaps with the COMMUNIA project
for the Public Domain that we just got accepted to.
… We should also look for partners here in Europe and try to relate it
to a proposal and business opportunities.
… This would be for the Spring of 2008 I imagine.
Samwel Kongere: ok
Andrius Kulikauskas: These ideas that we have for the "knowledge based
approach" and "pattern languages" would be very good.
… So let's keep developing that and relate it to different aspects that
you are interested to learn
Samwel Kongere: ok
Andrius Kulikauskas: all of your themes like literacy, wireless,
computer assembly, etc.
… Also we should make a plan what KennedyOwino might bring back to Africa
… for example computer parts and wireless equipment to get started with
… experiments on doing this
… So this will be an ongoing process, let's keep thinking.
Samwel Kongere: yes Immeddiately he is back we will connect to plant
Andrius Kulikauskas: I think it would be very helpful if you came to Europe
… One idea is that you come to Europe and we plan more about these kinds
… and then I try to go to Africa to learn more about what kind of
on-the-ground projects are possible
… maybe in fall of 2008?
Samwel Kongere: me and you
Andrius Kulikauskas: We will see a lot depends on clients that I should
work to find.
Samwel Kongere: great idea
Andrius Kulikauskas: My interest in Africa would be to see how the
on-the-ground projects might connect with helping independent thinkers grow.
… What is the relationship?
Samwel Kongere: i see
Andrius Kulikauskas: Or what do you think that I could do that would be
Samwel Kongere: This what will enhance momentum
… If we base our pirioties on knowledge and education for sustainbility
Andrius Kulikauskas: Yes knowledge is good because it can "bootstrap"
itself - it can help us pull ourselves up - but only if we keep applying
the knowledge in every way as we learn more.
Samwel Kongere: Thanks I am greatful, meet on wednesday and I need to go
Andrius Kulikauskas: ok, good bye!
Samwel Kongere: I am in did doing this, I am not a hero without knowldge
… Ok bye greetings to your family