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New Cold War in Hockey Erupting?

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  • craigw@mountaincable.net
    Today s column from Damien Cox. Interesting reading. Craig
    Message 1 of 5 , Jan 5, 2011
    • Lloyd Davis
      There s an oxymoron.
      Message 2 of 5 , Jan 5, 2011
        There's an oxymoron.


        On 5-Jan-11, at 6:00 AM, craigw@... wrote:

        > Today's column from Damien Cox. Interesting reading.
      • MoreyH
        Who starts the war? Sounds like Canada, since there are exactly 0 kids in the Canadian Development Program playing in Russia s junior leagues... Morey
        Message 3 of 5 , Jan 5, 2011
          Who starts the war? Sounds like Canada, since there are exactly 0 kids in the Canadian Development Program playing in Russia's junior leagues...

          Morey

          --- In hockhist@yahoogroups.com, craigw@... wrote:
          >
          > Today's column from Damien Cox. Interesting reading.
          >
          > Craig
          >
          > http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/juniorhockey/article/916197--cox-after-the-thaw-canada-russia-growing-apart-again
          >
        • Coach Rob (Nestle Baseball)
          Man, the first words which came into my mind were non sequitir and reductio ad absurdum , but Oxymoron!  That s it! ... From: Lloyd Davis
          Message 4 of 5 , Jan 5, 2011
            Man, the first words which came into my mind were "non sequitir" and "reductio ad absurdum", but Oxymoron!  That's it!

            --- On Wed, 1/5/11, Lloyd Davis <ldaviseditor@...> wrote:


            From: Lloyd Davis <ldaviseditor@...>
            Subject: Re: [hockhist] New Cold War in Hockey Erupting?
            To: hockhist@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 12:45 PM


             



            There's an oxymoron.

            On 5-Jan-11, at 6:00 AM, craigw@... wrote:

            > Today's column from Damien Cox. Interesting reading.











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          • William Underwood
            A statement of the obvious. However one correction and footnote.I believe he meant 69 Russians in the NHL not OHL Secondly footnote.Kitsyn is joining St
            Message 5 of 5 , Jan 6, 2011
              A statement of the obvious. However one correction and footnote.I believe he
              meant 69 Russians in the NHL not OHL Secondly footnote.Kitsyn is joining St
              Mikes.



              In all honesty while I am disappointed I am not surprised. A scribe asked me
              a month ago about the tourney and I said "it would not surprise me at all if
              we saw a European champ this time." Why? Team USA pulled an UPSET off last
              year and was not NEARLY as good this year. And this may be the worst
              Canadian line up I remember seeing in quite a while. Where are the big guns?
              Brayden Schenn? Exactly who projects him to be a 50 goal guy in the NHL?
              Heck the most gifted skill player was smallish D man in Ellis. Not the
              formula of greatness.The Russians had two guys who would be the most skilled
              Canadian forwards (if they were born is say Toronto
              ) and it would not be all that close in Tarasenko and Kuznetsov. They also
              had others, many of whom are not drafted who were very good. In game one you
              saw their potential for a god part of that game when it was close. They have
              SPEED! I said to a colleague "when they play as a team they can be great but
              all too often they play like a bunch of great players playing pond hockey".
              They got over that.



              And yes they will have an edge in all probability at future WJC as they will
              have more returnees. But I ask isn't that good for the tourney? To have
              another major player we maybe even revive that spirit of 1972. Lets face
              cold facts the US will never be able to challenge Canada year in year out
              and if not one else can it can be a cake walk. Sure the Swedes have a great
              program, and others like the Czechs and Finns can challenge but due to
              smaller populations it is tough to do it over time. The Russians are the one
              bunch that could feasibly make this interesting year after year. And it may
              blow some dust of complacency out of Canada's tires. And it will help the
              tourney in Europe.



              It doesn't mean the end of hockey as we know it. The top Russians will
              mostly still go to the NHL. And you even will still see some come to major
              junior. Does a revival of Russian hockey mean anything bad? To the contrary
              it is GOOD. At one point there was worry about the loss of infra structure
              and a real loss of meaning. That was BAD for the game. I've said it MANY
              times the real route for the games growth is not south but east. You will
              never see America embrace hockey, Russia already HAS. Once the economy
              matures it is the sleeping giant. And this is sport, a little bit of rivalry
              is a GOOD thing and nice inter continental rivalry can only be a real
              positive. Even the rise of the KHL can be a good thing. The NHL treats
              Europe a hell of a lot like the government treated the native tribes 150
              years ago. Yet when one looks at it there are probably more hockey fans in
              Europe than in all of North America..in fact there are in Russia alone.
              Think of it gang, last nights game was televised on a major Canadian cable
              network on a VERY minor specialist station in the US and on the largest over
              the air NETWORK in Russia! All of that says we are just seeing nature take
              its course. No big news nor is it really bad news. Disappointing, you bet.no
              one wanted to see Canadian gold in that game than me. But I did call it a
              month back, and I look at it this way what can be more exciting than
              thinking "Canada/Russia" again? It was nice to be able to set the clock each
              year for a Canadian Gold but it was getting tiring to Europe. Comer to think
              of it, which was more exciting at the senior level, seeing senior clubs go
              over rand kick the tar out of the world or the spirit of the various Summit
              Series, us versus them and nothing decided in advance? We may be getting
              that back again. And if the Russians start to play well at the senior level
              again doesn't that get more interesting too.on one note I may agree with
              Damian Cox, we may be seeing the dawn of a "new old era" of sorts at least
              at the junior level--- an old era of some CLASSIC hockey and if this era can
              produce HALF of that excitement it is pretty good!



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