Re: RE: [hockhist] Re: Ice Guys Finish Last
> From: "William Underwood" <wausport@...>I'm currently quite fond of the Allman Arena in Stratford, Ontario (Morey Holzman and Joe Nieforth have
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:09:38 -0500
> Oh well, at least college, minor pro and junior barns still have
grown tired of my going on about the place, since I spent a weekend there when I was supposed to be
editing their book!).
Built in the early '20s, and it has a grand old vaulted barn-style roof -- made of wood, of course. Some
of the advertising signs look as if they were there when the building went up. Row upon row of those
old-style double seats. I love to look up at the roof and note which boards have been replaced and
have yet to be painted white to match the others.
Pictures of Howie Morenz (who didn't play there, I was disappointed to learn) everywhere, and display
cases full of treasures like Craig Hartsburg's Minnesota North Stars jersey. The local junior B team
has never finished lower than third out of ten teams, and in the 80s and early 90s, the Cullitons sent a
string of players to the NHL -- Ed Olczyk, Boyd Devereaux, Chris Pronger, and Rob Blake spring to
Tickets are seven bucks. You can buy five chances in the 50/50 draw for nine bucks. (Never won the
jackpot, although I did win a free haircut last season at Fan Appreciation Night.)
Lloyd Davis Publishing Services
201-488 Danforth Avenue
Toronto, ON M4K 1P6
416-465-6999 (tel.) /// 416-462-0326 (fax)
- And even with Clement the ratings are subterrainian. It all comes back
to the game. People don't watch TV for listening content, it is a VISUAL
medium. Hell, many people watch games in bars or other places where you
can't hear over the music or the noise. And bars FILL UP for football,
and are dead for hockey. You can't have a special hockey night, hell, if
half of the patrons realize you will have hockey on, they'll go
elsewhere if there is another event to watch! You can build ENITIRE
NIGHTS around football, boxing, baseball playoffs, key hoop game but not
hockey. And the announcers don't even come into play!
The announcers are just another lame thing to blame. You could have two
chimps scream during an NFL game and still have it sell. In fact, the
NFL experimented with NO announcers once and the ratings STILL were
decent. Hockey can bring in Al Micheals or whomever but the ratings stay
static, somewhere between the late unlamented XFL and a TV blight that
wiped out every cathode ray tube in the country.
From: James Karkoski [mailto:austin@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [hockhist] Re: Ice Guys Finish Last
>Subject: [hockhist] Re: Ice Guys Finish LastI think the difference is that all the football guys, at least the ones
>Sent: 20.3.5 9:23 AM
>Received: 03.3.6 11:28 AM
>From: jpdornberger <jpdornberger@...>,
>--- In email@example.com, mtlhockey@a... wrote:
>> In a message dated 3/4/03 11:36:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>> jpdornberger@c... writes:
>> > I don't understand beating up ESPN.
>> > The product is THE GAME.
>> > THE GAME is not selling.
>> > 90% of the NFL announcers are horrible too but people watch THE
>> > GAME. You can say the same things about them as you say about
>> > Melrose and Co. (Just don't dis our Billy Clement!)
>> I dont agree with that at all. I watch football and for the most
>> broadcasters are fine. In the NHL they are HORRIBLE!! Gary Thorne
>> pronounced or does not know the names of players at least 10 times
>> When Pat Summerall did it once in a game they said he should retire.
>> Of course, no one watches hockey so they dont have any money to pay
>You keep saying Gary Thorne over and over again.
>Well, I give you Pat Sumerall, Don Criqui, Dan Dierdorf, Randy Cross,
>Deion Sanders, Cris Collinsworth and even OJ Simpson.
sitiing in the broadcast booths, have personalities and a screen
prescence. The only one who does on the ESPN hockey telecasts is Bill
The only way I can explain Brian Engblom is that ESPN is paying the NHL
back for moving out of Hartford.
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