Re: [hockhist] Brian Berard
>I won't try to predict that far down the road...who knows. And no, it won'tthe
>hurt the game if it does come to pass. Although I do sincerely hope that
>suit of armor mentality doesn't prevail, because if it does we could seeour
>first parapalgic.I think this is the nub of our disagreement. The suit of armour mentality
*has* prevailed. It is a fact of life in the NHL, and that is not going to
change. We are going to see a parapalegic sooner or later no matter what we
do. Brian Savage came oh so close last year and that one was entirely
unavoidable. We have to focus on avoidable injuries and live with the
>And honestly, I'm not sureNone
>that all the plethora of new equiptment hasn't lighteeds the risk of lesser
>injuries while increasing it for worse ones. When I plaeyed, you were more
>careful with the stick and just din't nail a guy in no man's land. Why?
>of us is homicidal nor did any of us want to go face first into the boardsI don't think there is any doubt this is the case. When my son went out on
>with no shield!
the ice the first time, injury was virtually impossible. He grew up that
way. By the time the players were big enough and fast enough to hurt each
other, the habits, the muscle memory, the feelings of invulnerability were
already there. We aren't going to take the armour off the kids. The suit of
armour mentality *has* prevailed. It is a fact of life in the NHL, and that
is not going to change.
>Am I advocating to ditch protectionin kids? No. You CAN'T! But I'm just notWe aren't asking players to add equipment when they turn pro. We should
>sure that drssing guys up like mummies at the pro level is a solution
merely insist that they not discard it. They have learned to play dressed
like mummies. They have learned that winning is everything and playing
without fear and giving no quarter is essential to success. They don't
unlearn that when they discard protection. They can't unlearn that.
>All NO BRAINERS and LONG overdue! Plus one thing that should be crackeddown
>on more is the slough foot. It is a despisable tactic!I'll add one more that is sure to be controversial: I don't think we should
allow players to leave their feet to block shots. After the Trent McCleary
incident last year, I decided that should be a two minute penalty.
- Just a comment on the below. I am lifting it from the 1972 book "For Love
Money and Future Considerations" by former Toronto Argonaut tight end Mel
Profit. (By the way that is the finest football book I have ever seen.) Mel
Profit was one of the finest tight ends in the history of the Canadian
Football League and an All-American at UCLA in 1964. He was responding to
the quote from Vince Lombardi "Winning isn't everything, it is the only
" Somebody with a great deal more insight said a long time ago 'It's not
whether you win or lose, but how you play the game.' Its a trite expression,
but it goes a great deal futher toward defining "successful" in my mind than
does Lombardi's philosophy. Winning isn't everything , and when it becomes
the only thing it's a sickness."
>How you play the game - where you carry your stick for example or
>whether you belt somebody from behind - is more important than winning.That
>works up until the time when winning really starts to matter. At thatpoint,
>safety goes out the window. Players will do anything to win, if only tolevels
>>advance their careers.
>Again true. And a lot of that is the coaches and the parents. So many moms
>and dads think that wiining is everything even in summer hockey. And who
>gets the grief--the coach! Which is why so many good guys drop out at
>where they have to deal with parents day in day out...