53958Re: KHL challenge for the Stanley Cup
- Jul 5, 2011Oh I strongly agree and disagree with you.
I ran league, I played, I coached, I officiated - just not at the highest level. I developed a rule book for wheelchari hockey and even had a couple of IHL referees moonlight.
Fights did occur in those games too.
You're correct when you say that you can not be black-and-white. I once had a fight between two sons of the coaches, both of whom were mellow kids and the last two people you ever expected in a fight.
I don;t know why the fight started, but we had a an automatic one game suspension for a fight. As the fight occurred in the last regular season game, their first-round opponents naturally wanted the automatic suspension.
I looked at the details, and determined there was no way I was going to reward the other teams for a fight for a reason no one remembers, including the referee, how it started or even why. I did tell the players and the coaches however, if there ever was another fight, the kids and their coach would get a minimum 2-game suspension, no matter the circumstances.
Neither kid was ever a problem.
The differences between myself (then) and the NHL are:
1. No vested interests. I was there for everyone. I didn't pull a referee aside and ask how come my son's team was getting screwed. (Still can't believe that Bettman & Co. see nothing wrong with that.)
2. I was consistent. I would make the exact same ruling if those exact same circumstances came up. I dealt with a 15-year-old giving a two-handed whirlybird in a playoff game to a much bigger opponent and felling him like a lumberjack to an oak tree. He was banished. The agressor was an all-star. He was banished.
3. I didn't make the rules up as I went along, but I did. And I can always defend myself. Two words Sabres fans: Brett Hull.
4. Even though I had friends who were coaches - one of the officiants for my wedding, for instance - I refused to run my league like the Old Boys Network. This was who I was, and what I'm doing. If you don't like it, well, don't let the swinging bench doors hit your fanny on the way out. The Old Boys Club has been so intertwined with the NHL for so many years - one of the Hall of Fame officials told me that the way the Hall elections worked well into the 1980s was that Harold Ballard and Bill Wirtz would have lunch, come to an agreement, and tell the committee that if they liked their prestigious job, this is who gets elected - that the NHL COULDN'T get rid of the Old Boys CLub even if it desired to. The Jacobs' and Sniders have given (and made) way too much to ever let that happen.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "William Underwood" <wausport@...> wrote:
> I think the problem comes when you try to interpret NHL justice like a court
> room today.it does not really apply. To use an analogy I read many years ago
> about NHL refereeing and European refereeing, that said in Europe a ref is
> more like a constable in Europe in the NHL he is more like a sheriff in the
> Old West. To take it to another level, discipline in the NHL it is more like
> a marshall in the Old West or a frontier judge and you get the idea better.
> In those days if a guy was shot and it was a "fair fight" there would be no
> trial. There was the "he asked for it" defense. And every gun fight was seen
> differently. Were they drunk? /was it is a saloon or in the street? Was it
> in a more settled town or not? How did it happen? Who shot first? Who were
> the desperados involved? and it sort of has to be that way. It is hard to
> categorize EVERYTHING that happens on the ice into black and white Remember
> what we have here. We have a contact sport which by its very nature is a
> different standard than most of everyday life. In everyday life you are not
> allowed or encouraged to collide at speeds close 20 MPH. Crashing into walls
> together is discouraged in everyday life. We do not carry long pieces of
> lumber in everyday life that get swung around as apart of our job. Simply
> put, in a world like that just as was the case in the old west when a lot of
> folks were armed, you were along way from conventional authority and there
> were dangerous folks out there, an entirely different sort of justice
> prevailed. In the Old West, you had to be armed and often you DID have to
> shoot.or you would have been dead.there can't be the same consistency of
> justice as unconventional behavior is allowed due to necessity. I very much
> about anyone wants contact out of hockey. Now if you want to see folks lose
> interest try that! You have soccer on ice and maybe even worse.a true
> bore.it becomes skating ping pong...would any of us REALLY want to watch 82
> NHL All star games a year only less skilled? It reverses the issue of no
> scoring to an excess.suddenly it you just are watching them skate back and
> forth and it is a 16-12 score.no passion and the action is so routine that
> it becomes dull and repetitive. Now if you are going to hit at that speed
> you will have problems happen and the issue is to differentiate between
> several levels...clean.clean but accidental problem, carelessness and
> maliciousness. And there are degrees. Now what we strive for is NONE of the
> last, as little as possible of careless but we DON'T want to do a much about
> the other two or you get no check hockey. It is not easy, I have run leagues
> and have had to do it and when you straight jacket it you run into problems.
> You also need to look at each sort of foul differently, a stick foul you
> have to be more strict on, a hit is a technically legal thing that was for
> whatever reason gone badly.
> Now you can take the view that response that public driven justice is not
> justice and it is not but how badly does the public react to it? In Boston
> they are HAPPY. In Vancouver they are pissed. The rest are divided/apathetic
> and most folks really don't care after the next news item hits. In Philly,
> what talk there was died quickly and as soon as you had the big trades it
> was forgotten.this is not a murder trial it is a hockey suspension. The
> folks who talk about it are hockey types who will keep on following because
> they love the sport, for those that complain about, it, well they probably
> use that as an excuse to say why they don't watch hockey when it is really
> that they just don't like the sport. And in the end all law and justice is
> driven by the public, this is why some places allow caning and others will
> lot a murderer out in three years and even in those places murderer A gets
> 20 ye at the start and murderer B gets 5..Even what the DA goes for is in
> part influenced by public opinion. Like I say sports are a microcosm..
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