53166Re: NHL affiliate analysis
- Apr 1, 2010Ralph-
My best guess would be to check individual team media guides or yearbooks, as least as far as NHL teams are concerned. I do know that NY Rangers media guides/yearbooks going as far back as the early/mid 1960s listed the affiliates they had a working agreement with, or owned outright.
Otherwise, I would suggest looking for local newspaper accounts. I know that changes in minor league affiliations are sometimes reported upon by an NHL team's hometown papers. Often, especially nowadays, the papers in a minor league town will mention affiliate changes.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Ralph" <slater@...> wrote:
> I am cross-posting this from the SIHR list, I apologize if you see it
> twice, but I think there are a bunch of people here who might be
> interested in this.
> I am trying to compile team affiliations, both NHL and for other
> leagues. Although some of this information has been published in rec ent
> guidebooks, am I finding that it isn't as easy as one might think.
> For example, I pulled out a copy of an NHL guide from the 1967-68
> season. I did not find any farm teams listed in the NHL section. In the
> CPHL section, I found the NHL affiliate of each CPHL team. There was
> nothing for the AHL listed.
> I have created an application which some might find useful to research
> this information. Here is an example:
> I don't have a fancy interface; in order to change leagues and seasons,
> just change the parameters in the URL. Feel free to use it, but treat it
> like a "beta" feature.
> This will return any other team/league where players on the parent team
> played that season, provided that more than one player played on the
> same child team (I put that filter in because it screens out a lot of
> "false positives" resulting
> from trades and unrelated & amateur player signings).
> For 1968, this is what I get back:
> Season League Parent Team Child League Child Team Count
> 1968 NHL Boston Bruins CPHL Oklahoma City Blazers 5
> 1968 NHL Chicago Blackhawks CPHL Dallas Black Hawks 9
> 1968 NHL Detroit Red Wings CPHL Fort Worth Wings 18
> 1968 NHL Detroit Red Wings WHL San Diego Gulls 2
> 1968 NHL Los Angeles Kings AHL Springfield Kings 13
> 1968 NHL Minnesota North Stars CPHL Memphis South Stars 12
> 1968 NHL Minnesota North Stars AHL Rochester Americans 10
> 1968 NHL Minnesota North Stars WHL Phoenix Roadrunners 3
> 1968 NHL Montreal Canadiens CPHL Houston Apollos 6
> 1968 NHL New York Rangers AHL Buffalo Bisons 7
> 1968 NHL Oakland Seals WHL Vancouver Canucks 8
> 1968 NHL Oakland Seals AHL Buffalo Bisons 3
> 1968 NHL Philadelphia Flyers AHL Quebec Aces 12
> 1968 NHL Pittsburgh Penguins AHL Baltimore Clippers 9
> 1968 NHL St. Louis Blues CPHL Kansas City Blues 16
> 1968 NHL St. Louis Blues AHL Buffalo Bisons 2
> 1968 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs AHL Rochester Americans 9
> 1968 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs CPHL Tulsa Oilers 5
> This analysis would seem to indicate the following affiliations:
> Boston -> OKC (CPHL)
> Chicago -> Dallas CPHL)
> Detroit -> Fort Worth (CPHL)
> Los Angeles -> Springfield (AHL)
> Minnesota -> Memphis (CPHL), Rochester (AHL)
> Montreal -> Houston (CPHL)
> NY Rangers -> Buffalo (AHL)
> Oakland -> Vancouver (WHL)
> Philadelphia -> Quebec (AHL)
> Pittsburgh -> Baltimore (AHL)
> St. Louis -> Kansas City (CPHL)
> Toronto -> Rochester (AHL), Tulsa (CPHL)
> There are a couple of "maybes" too.
> St. Louis -> Buffalo (AHL) (2 players)
> Oakland -> Buffalo (AHL)
> Minnesota -> Phoenix (WHL)
> Detroit -> San Diego (WHL)
> These could either be secondary affiliations, or perhaps just artifacts
> of trades or unrelated player movement.
> Doing a little deeper analysis:
> * The 2 St. Louis/Buffalo players appear to be an artifact of a possible
> trade between St. Louis and NY Rangers (Barclay Plager & Ron Attwell)
> * I can't figure out the Oakland/Buffalo connection.
> * The Minnesota/Phoenix may be a secondary relationship.
> * The Detroit/San Diego seems like a secondary relationship, or perhaps
> a relationship between Fort Worth and San Diego (5 players common to
> both those teams).
> This analysis tool works really well to ferret out potential
> relationships, particularly between non-NHL teams. I was surprised to
> see a pipeline of 7 players between the Springfield Kings and the
> Portland Buckaroos in the 1973-74 season.
> Here's my question -- can anyone thing of a way to verify these
> assumptions? Outside of the CPHL list, I couldn't find any other source
> for this -- neither the AHL nor WHL guide lists parent teams.
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