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  • StoneTool
    Burning the soot off is a standard practice when normalizing chrome moly aircraft tubing after welding a cluster . The flame is then pulled back allowing a
    Message 1 of 13 , May 20, 2012
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      Burning the soot off is a standard practice when "normalizing" chrome
      moly aircraft tubing after welding a "cluster". The flame is then
      pulled back allowing a slow cooling so it won't get hard and brittle....
      Not exactly an annealing process, but related.......... aluminum of
      course has different characteristics.

      Here is a page which details annealing procedures very clearly and simply:

      http://www.mlevel3.com/BCIT/heat%20treat.htm





      Howard



      On 05/20/2012 11:39 AM, Stephen Lovely wrote:
      > I read once about a person forming aluminum sheet for car bodywork
      > or something. He worked it until it got hard, then got out the acetylene
      > torch. He sooted it up with an all acetylene flame, then put the oxygen
      > in the flame and heated it from clean side. When the soot disappeared
      > from the side opposite the flame it was ready to be worked again.
      > I'd suggest practice on a scrap piece before you committed good
      > material if you try doing it this way.
      >
      > Stephen C. Lovely
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    • Rod
      ... Lance You may be making more work than necessary. Quarter inch aluminum should be able to be annealed with a torch, either by sooting or soaping and
      Message 2 of 13 , May 20, 2012
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        --- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, "crashbone256" <wheezer606@...> wrote:
        >
        > I am involved in a metal spinning project.
        > I want to anneal 0.025Ó sheet aluminum at 650*F for 2 hours.
        >
        > A toaster oven on bake goes to 500*.
        > A hot plate on high with kaowool cover reaches 500*.
        > A propane furnace set low goes to 1000*, but is unstable at lower settings.
        >
        > IÕd like ideas how to hold 650*F (+/- 5*) for two hours.
        >
        > Thanks
        > lance
        > +++++
        >

        Lance

        You may be making more work than necessary. Quarter
        inch aluminum should be able to be annealed with
        a torch, either by sooting or soaping and burning
        the black off.

        However, some alloys of aluminum just plain refuse
        to be annealed. Ask me how I know.<g> My suggestion
        is to get some 1100-O aluminum which is already
        annealed. McMaster is one source where I get mine.

        Check out my YouTube video showing a demo
        of spinning from start to finish in my shop.

        <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7QB0-AlwtI&feature=plcp>

        Rod
      • Lyle
        Heat treat rock? I gotta know why and what for? Thanks, LL
        Message 3 of 13 , May 21, 2012
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          Heat treat rock?
          I gotta know why and what for?
          Thanks,
          LL


          --- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, Dallas Richardson <classicpoints@...> wrote:
          >
          > Lance;
          > I heat treat a lot of rock so it can be worked and a lot of times , I use a turkey roaster.
          > Take the inside pan out and fill abot 3/4 full of viculite and it will go to 500 deg. and
          > hold it all day..
          >
          >  "A positive attitude may not solve all your problems but it will annoy enough people to be worth the effort"
          >
          >                Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, its about learning to dance in the rain
          >
          >                                                                     Dallas  IMAX 1340
          >
          > From: crashbone256 <wheezer606@...>
          > To: hobbicast@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:34 AM
          > Subject: [hobbicast] anneal aluminum sheet
          >
          >
          >  
          > I am involved in a metal spinning project.
          > I want to anneal 0.025Ã" sheet aluminum at 650*F for 2 hours.
          >
          > A toaster oven on bake goes to 500*.
          > A hot plate on high with kaowool cover reaches 500*.
          > A propane furnace set low goes to 1000*, but is unstable at lower settings.
          >
          > IÕd like ideas how to hold 650*F (+/- 5*) for two hours.
          >
          > Thanks
          > lance
          > +++++
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
        • Eggleston Lance
          I have a Weber Q BBQ. Set on high, top closed it records 700*F +/-2*F in today’s ambient conditions. So I adjusted the burner flame and annealed the aluminum
          Message 4 of 13 , May 21, 2012
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            I have a Weber Q BBQ.
            Set on high, top closed it records 700*F +/-2*F
            in today�s ambient conditions.

            So I adjusted the burner flame and annealed the aluminum sheet.

            BTW, I previously had tried the acetylene soot and burn-off method
            but with this thin sheet, the burn-off / melt temp are too close.

            Thanks for all the ideas.

            I will build an annealing oven some crappy weather day.

            lance
            +++++



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          • Dallas Richardson
            Lyle; Sorry that just kinds slipped out..  Did you ever hear of the term Knapper or knapping ??  Knapping is the art of making arrow heads, the old way,
            Message 5 of 13 , May 21, 2012
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              Lyle;
              Sorry that just kinds slipped out..  Did you ever hear of the term Knapper
              or knapping ??  Knapping is the art of making arrow heads, the old way,
              like what the Indians done hundreds of years ago.. I am a knapper.
              Flint has to be heat treated before you can work it.. Its kind of like taking
              the temper out of steel before you can make a knife out of it... As in making
              a knife out of a "Bastard" file..  If you want to know more?? Lets take it OFF
              line..

                                               Lord, today please Keep your arm around my shoulder
                                                        and your hand placed firmly over my mouth 

                             Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, its about learning to dance in the rain

                                                                                  Dallas  IMAX 1340

              From: Lyle <creepinogie@...>
              To: hobbicast@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:54 AM
              Subject: [hobbicast] Re: anneal aluminum sheet


               
              Heat treat rock?
              I gotta know why and what for?
              Thanks,
              LL

              --- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, Dallas Richardson <classicpoints@...> wrote:
              >
              > Lance;
              > I heat treat a lot of rock so it can be worked and a lot of times , I use a turkey roaster.
              > Take the inside pan out and fill abot 3/4 full of viculite and it will go to 500 deg. and
              > hold it all day..
              >
              >  "A positive attitude may not solve all your problems but it will annoy enough people to be worth the effort"
              >
              >                Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, its about learning to dance in the rain
              >
              >                                                                     Dallas  IMAX 1340
              >
              > From: crashbone256 <wheezer606@...>
              > To: hobbicast@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:34 AM
              > Subject: [hobbicast] anneal aluminum sheet
              >
              >
              >  
              > I am involved in a metal spinning project.
              > I want to anneal 0.025Ã" sheet aluminum at 650*F for 2 hours.
              >
              > A toaster oven on bake goes to 500*.
              > A hot plate on high with kaowool cover reaches 500*.
              > A propane furnace set low goes to 1000*, but is unstable at lower settings.
              >
              > IÕd like ideas how to hold 650*F (+/- 5*) for two hours.
              >
              > Thanks
              > lance
              > +++++
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >




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            • Lyle
              OK, that makes sense now. I also know stone masons would depending on the type of stone, heat stones proior to splitting them. Man, knapping is a real art. I
              Message 6 of 13 , May 22, 2012
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                OK, that makes sense now. I also know stone masons would depending on the type of stone, heat stones proior to splitting them. Man, knapping is a real art. I was just curious.
                Lyle


                --- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, Dallas Richardson <classicpoints@...> wrote:
                >
                > Lyle;
                > Sorry that just kinds slipped out..  Did you ever hear of the term Knapper
                > or knapping ??  Knapping is the art of making arrow heads, the old way,
                > like what the Indians done hundreds of years ago.. I am a knapper.
                > Flint has to be heat treated before you can work it.. Its kind of like taking
                > the temper out of steel before you can make a knife out of it... As in making
                > a knife out of a "Bastard" file..  If you want to know more?? Lets take it OFF
                > line..
                >
                >                                  Lord, today please Keep your arm around my shoulder
                >                                           and your hand placed firmly over my mouth 
                >
                >                Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, its about learning to dance in the rain
                >
                >                                                                     Dallas  IMAX 1340
                >
                > From: Lyle <creepinogie@...>
                > To: hobbicast@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:54 AM
                > Subject: [hobbicast] Re: anneal aluminum sheet
                >
                >
                >  
                > Heat treat rock?
                > I gotta know why and what for?
                > Thanks,
                > LL
                >
                > --- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, Dallas Richardson <classicpoints@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Lance;
                > > I heat treat a lot of rock so it can be worked and a lot of times , I use a turkey roaster.
                > > Take the inside pan out and fill abot 3/4 full of viculite and it will go to 500 deg. and
                > > hold it all day..
                > >
                > >  "A positive attitude may not solve all your problems but it will annoy enough people to be worth the effort"
                > >
                > >                Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, its about learning to dance in the rain
                > >
                > >                                                                     Dallas  IMAX 1340
                > >
                > > From: crashbone256 <wheezer606@>
                > > To: hobbicast@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:34 AM
                > > Subject: [hobbicast] anneal aluminum sheet
                > >
                > >
                > >  
                > > I am involved in a metal spinning project.
                > > I want to anneal 0.025Ã" sheet aluminum at 650*F for 2 hours.
                > >
                > > A toaster oven on bake goes to 500*.
                > > A hot plate on high with kaowool cover reaches 500*.
                > > A propane furnace set low goes to 1000*, but is unstable at lower settings.
                > >
                > > IÕd like ideas how to hold 650*F (+/- 5*) for two hours.
                > >
                > > Thanks
                > > lance
                > > +++++
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
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