## Statue...news story

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• I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue? I would like to see a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!! Here is the link:
Message 1 of 19 , Sep 10, 2009
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I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue? I would like to see a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!!

http://cbs4.com/watercooler/goodwill.miami.ballerina.2.1172567.html

dave D
• I will bet they got the weight wrong.  Humans have a specific gravity of about 1, and even cast iron is 13,   Even if this were solid, and is is likely to
Message 2 of 19 , Sep 11, 2009
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I will bet they got the weight wrong.  Humans have a specific gravity of about 1, and even cast iron is 13,   Even if this were solid, and is is likely to be hollw, an average ballerina in cast iron should weigh less than 2000 lbs!
Dan P.
>Quoting drescher3 <drescher3@...>:

> I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue?  I would like to see
> a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!!
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> http://cbs4.com/watercooler/goodwill.miami.ballerina.2.1172567.html
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> dave D
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• ... I was thinking the same thing, and 2.5 tons would be 5,000 pounds! I don t see how that small of a statue could be even close to that weight. Cheers,
Message 3 of 19 , Sep 11, 2009
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On Sep 11, 2009, at 5:22 PM, postello@... wrote:

> I will bet they got the weight wrong. Humans have a specific
> gravity of about 1, and even cast iron is 13, Even if this were
> solid, and is is likely to be hollw, an average ballerina in cast
> iron should weigh less than 2000 lbs!

I was thinking the same thing, and 2.5 tons would be 5,000 pounds!

I don't see how that small of a statue could be even close to that
weight.

Cheers,

Jeshua Lacock, Owner
<http://OpenOSX.com>
phone: 208.462.4171
• I think the weight would be right. bronze weighs .304 lbs pr cubic inch, that s 43.78lbs per square foot of surface area1 thick, 5000 lbs is 114sq ft. that s
Message 4 of 19 , Sep 11, 2009
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I think the weight would be right. bronze weighs .304 lbs pr cubic inch, that's 43.78lbs per square foot of surface area1" thick, 5000 lbs is 114sq ft. that's equivilant to about 3.5 sheets of 1" plywood not very much surface area really.  it's a life size statue should be about 5'+ high,  willing to bet the statue is mostly solid.

Dave Patterson
odd_kins@...
http://home.comcast.net/~oddkins/foundry_home.html

--- On Fri, 9/11/09, postello@... <postello@...> wrote:

From: postello@... <postello@...>
Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Statue...news story
To: hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, "drescher3" <drescher3@...>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 4:22 PM

I will bet they got the weight wrong.  Humans have a specific gravity of about 1, and even cast iron is 13,   Even if this were solid, and is is likely to be hollw, an average ballerina in cast iron should weigh less than 2000 lbs!
Dan P.
>Quoting drescher3 <drescher3@yahoo. com>:

> I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue?  I would like to see
> a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!!
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> http://cbs4. com/watercooler/ goodwill. miami.ballerina. 2.1172567. html
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> dave D
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• Bronze has a specific gravity of about 8.  That means that a solid stature of bronze, life size , that weighs 5,000 lbs would represent a 625 pound ballerina
Message 5 of 19 , Sep 11, 2009
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Bronze has a specific gravity of about 8.  That means that a solid stature of bronze, "life size", that weighs 5,000 lbs would represent a 625 pound ballerina !  (284 kilos)  Maybe it is a representation of Miss Piggy?
Dan P.

>Quoting drescher3 <drescher3@...>:

> I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue?  I would like to see
> a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!!
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> http://cbs4.com/watercooler/goodwill.miami.ballerina.2.1172567.html
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> dave D
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• That s what I meant about the base probbably being very larg and heavy....and they included that weight in the 2.5 ton weight! I agree with Dan too that it
Message 6 of 19 , Sep 11, 2009
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That's what I meant about the base probbably being very larg and heavy....and they included that weight in the 2.5 ton weight!

I agree with Dan too that it probably isn't solid either.

Dave D

--- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, postello@... wrote:
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> Bronze has a specific gravity of about 8.  That means that a solid stature of bronze, "life size", that weighs 5,000 lbs would represent a 625 pound ballerina !  (284 kilos)  Maybe it is a representation of Miss Piggy?
> Dan P.
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> >Quoting drescher3 <drescher3@...>:
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> > I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue?  I would like to see
> > a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!!
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> > Here is the link:
> > http://cbs4.com/watercooler/goodwill.miami.ballerina.2.1172567.html
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> > dave D
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• There are some other pictures around.  It looks like a rather slight ballerina, and a chair.  They must be including the base in the weight, but it is hard
Message 7 of 19 , Sep 12, 2009
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There are some other pictures around.  It looks like a rather slight ballerina, and a chair.  They must be including the base in the weight, but it is hard to get a good look at it.  It might be a rectangle of steel on 4 inch diameter well casing legs.  Looks kind of odd in context.  I wonder it it was bolted or welded to a base, and they pulled up the whole thing for the donation?
>Quoting drescher3 <drescher3@...>:

> That's what I meant about the base probbably being very larg and
> heavy....and they included that weight in the 2.5 ton weight!
>
> I agree with Dan too that it probably isn't solid either.
>
> Dave D
>
> --- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, postello@... wrote:
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>> Bronze has a specific gravity of about 8.  That means that a solid
>> stature of bronze, "life size", that weighs 5,000 lbs would
>> represent a 625 pound ballerina !  (284 kilos)  Maybe it is a
>> representation of Miss Piggy?
>> Dan P.
>>
>> >Quoting drescher3 <drescher3@...>:
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>> > I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue?  I would like to see
>> > a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!!
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>> > Here is the link:
>> > http://cbs4.com/watercooler/goodwill.miami.ballerina.2.1172567.html
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>> > dave D
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• This article has a photo that includes the base: http://www.cantonrep.com/entertainment/x837459928/-500K-artwork-given-to-charity-returning-to-owner[1] What do
Message 8 of 19 , Sep 12, 2009
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http://www.cantonrep.com/entertainment/x837459928/-500K-artwork-given-to-charity-returning-to-owner%5b1]
What do you think?  I don't think that the sculpture is 2 1/2 tons of bronze.

>Quoting drescher3 <drescher3@...>:

> I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue?  I would like to see
> a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!!
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> http://cbs4.com/watercooler/goodwill.miami.ballerina.2.1172567.html
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> dave D
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[1] http://www.cantonrep.com/entertainment/x837459928/-500K-artwork-given-to-charity-returning-to-owner

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• This is the article that made me wonder.  There is a Gormley sculpture locally, in cast iron.  Even at 6 foot 2 inches, the only weigh 1400 pounds, so I
Message 9 of 19 , Sep 12, 2009
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This is the article that made me wonder.  There is a Gormley sculpture locally, in cast iron.  Even at 6 foot 2 inches, the only weigh 1400 pounds, so I expect that they are hollow as well.
http://shapeandcolour.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/antony-gormley-another-place/%5b1]
Anyone want to try casting one of these?  Scloss will allow you to cast up to 500 pounds.
>Quoting postello@...:

> http://www.cantonrep.com/entertainment/x837459928/-500K-artwork-given-to-charity-returning-to-owner%5b1]
> What do you think?  I don't think that the sculpture is 2 1/2 tons of
> bronze.
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>> Quoting drescher3 <drescher3@...>:
>
>> I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue?  I would like to see
>> a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!!
>>
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>> http://cbs4.com/watercooler/goodwill.miami.ballerina.2.1172567.html
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>> dave D
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> http://www.cantonrep.com/entertainment/x837459928/-500K-artwork-given-to-charity-returning-to-owner
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[1] http://shapeandcolour.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/antony-gormley-another-place/

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• Notice ballerina weight does not include clothing. No one can wear a 500 pound bronze tutu, but statues have little choice. Tim
Message 10 of 19 , Sep 12, 2009
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Notice ballerina weight does not include clothing. No one can wear a 500 pound bronze tutu, but statues have little choice.

Tim

--- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, postello@... wrote:
>
> Bronze has a specific gravity of about 8.  That means that a solid stature of bronze, "life size", that weighs 5,000 lbs would represent a 625 pound ballerina !  (284 kilos)  Maybe it is a representation of Miss Piggy?
> Dan P.
>
> >Quoting drescher3 <drescher3@...>:
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> > I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue?  I would like to see
> > a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is the link:
> > http://cbs4.com/watercooler/goodwill.miami.ballerina.2.1172567.html
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> > dave D
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• The numbers still don t work out.  Even is she were a 150 lb 11 years old, a solid nude statue would weigh 1200 lbs.  Do you think the bronze tutu and chair
Message 11 of 19 , Sep 12, 2009
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The numbers still don't work out.  Even is she were a 150 lb 11 years old, a solid nude statue would weigh 1200 lbs.  Do you think the bronze tutu and chair weigh 3800 pounds?

>Quoting tmoranwms <tmoranwms@...>:

> Notice ballerina weight does not include clothing.  No one can wear a
> 500 pound bronze tutu, but statues have little choice.
>
> Tim
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>
> --- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, postello@... wrote:
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>> Bronze has a specific gravity of about 8.  That means that a solid
>> stature of bronze, "life size", that weighs 5,000 lbs would
>> represent a 625 pound ballerina !  (284 kilos)  Maybe it is a
>> representation of Miss Piggy?
>> Dan P.
>>
>> >Quoting drescher3 <drescher3@...>:
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>> > I saw this interesting link...a 2.5 ton statue?  I would like to see
>> > a bigger picture...it must be on a big base???!!!
>> >
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>> > Here is the link:
>> > http://cbs4.com/watercooler/goodwill.miami.ballerina.2.1172567.html
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>> > dave D
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• ... Here s a link to a similar sized sculpture by the same artist that lists the weight as approximately:950 pounds
Message 12 of 19 , Sep 13, 2009
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drescher3 wrote:
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> That's what I meant about the base probbably being very larg and
> heavy....and they included that weight in the 2.5 ton weight!
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> I agree with Dan too that it probably isn't solid either.
>
> Dave D
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Here's a link to a similar sized sculpture by the same artist that lists
the weight as "approximately:950 pounds"
• Bronze prices were high that year, so the foundry stretched the copper by replacing some of it with depleted uranium. Solved! --William A.
Message 13 of 19 , Sep 13, 2009
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Bronze prices were high that year, so the foundry stretched the copper by
replacing some of it with depleted uranium.

Solved!

--William A.

Jeshua Lacock wrote:
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 5:22 PM, postello@... wrote:
>
>> I will bet they got the weight wrong. Humans have a specific
>> gravity of about 1, and even cast iron is 13, Even if this were
>> solid, and is is likely to be hollw, an average ballerina in cast
>> iron should weigh less than 2000 lbs!
>
>
> I was thinking the same thing, and 2.5 tons would be 5,000 pounds!
>
> I don't see how that small of a statue could be even close to that
> weight.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeshua Lacock, Owner
> <http://OpenOSX.com>
> phone: 208.462.4171
• LOL!  Now that s a thought !  The SG of uranium is about 19.  That s a lot closer, the equivalent of a 250 pound dancer and chair.   Dan ... [Non-text
Message 14 of 19 , Sep 13, 2009
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LOL!  Now that's a thought !  The SG of uranium is about 19.  That's a lot closer, the equivalent of a 250 pound dancer and chair.   Dan

>Quoting "William Abernathy" <william@...>:

> Bronze prices were high that year, so the foundry stretched the copper by
> replacing some of it with depleted uranium.
>
> Solved!
>
> --William A.
>
> Jeshua Lacock wrote:
>> On Sep 11, 2009, at 5:22 PM, postello@... wrote:
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>>> I will bet they got the weight wrong.  Humans have a specific
>>> gravity of about 1, and even cast iron is 13,   Even if this were
>>> solid, and is is likely to be hollw, an average ballerina in cast
>>> iron should weigh less than 2000 lbs!
>>
>>
>> I was thinking the same thing, and 2.5 tons would be 5,000 pounds!
>>
>> I don't see how that small of a statue could be even close to that
>> weight.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jeshua Lacock, Owner
>> <http://OpenOSX.com>
>> phone: 208.462.4171
>

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• I could accept that weight, it it were cast solid.  Maybe they cast is hollow, and left a very heavy care in place, which is a bad idea because of
Message 15 of 19 , Sep 13, 2009
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I could accept that weight, it it were cast solid.  Maybe they cast is hollow, and left a very heavy care in place, which is a bad idea because of corrosion.  That would be difficult to cast soli, due to shrinkage, and almost 1000 poubds of bronze is expensive.

>Quoting "Blair Bostick" <bb768224@...>:

> drescher3 wrote:
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>> That's what I meant about the base probably being very large and
>> heavy....and they included that weight in the 2.5 ton weight!
>>
>> I agree with Dan too that it probably isn't solid either.
>>
>> Dave D
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> Here's a link to a similar sized sculpture by the same artist that lists
> the weight as "approximately:950 pounds"
>

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• He also mentions a 4x5 foot steel base for another sculpture.  I think you had is right the first time, the weight includes a heavy base.  These are listed
Message 16 of 19 , Sep 13, 2009
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He also mentions a 4x5 foot steel base for another sculpture.  I think you had is right the first time, the weight includes a heavy base.  These are listed as "garden sculptures", so maybe they are cast solid.

> drescher3 wrote:
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>> That's what I meant about the base probbably being very larg and
>> heavy....and they included that weight in the 2.5 ton weight!
>>
>> I agree with Dan too that it probably isn't solid either.
>>
>> Dave D
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> Here's a link to a similar sized sculpture by the same artist that lists
> the weight as "approximately:950 pounds"
>

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• Sorry, that was CORE, not care  ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Message 17 of 19 , Sep 13, 2009
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Sorry, that was CORE, not care

>Quoting postello@...:

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> I could accept that weight, it it were cast solid.  Maybe they cast
> is hollow, and left a very heavy core in place, which is a bad idea
> because of corrosion.  That would be difficult to cast solid, due to
> shrinkage, and almost 1000 pounds of bronze is expensive.
>
>> Quoting "Blair Bostick" <bb768224@...>:
>
>> drescher3 wrote:
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>>>
>>> That's what I meant about the base probably being very large and
>>> heavy....and they included that weight in the 2.5 ton weight!
>>>
>>> I agree with Dan too that it probably isn't solid either.
>>>
>>> Dave D
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>>> _
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>> Here's a link to a similar sized sculpture by the same artist that lists
>> the weight as "approximately:950 pounds"
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• I think they might have the weight right but the description wrong. Its an SCA belly dancer.
Message 18 of 19 , Sep 14, 2009
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I think they might have the weight right but the description wrong. Its an SCA belly dancer.
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Message 19 of 19 , Sep 15, 2009
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I thought that all of those were over 200 lb.

>Quoting jon.horde <jon.horde@...>:

> I think they might have the weight right but the description wrong.
> Its an SCA belly dancer.
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