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  • Detrick Merz
    Yes... what would you like to know? If you look for a yahoogroup called Wastewatts , you ll find a lot more Babington information. Are you looking for
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      Yes... what would you like to know? If you look for a yahoogroup called
      'Wastewatts', you'll find a lot more Babington information. Are you
      looking for casting specific Babington info??

      -detrick

      rbrts1035@... wrote:
      > Has anyone had any experience with the Babington? Thanks, geoff<><
    • geoffrey roberts
      Hi, i am wondering how many babington burners will be needed to melt about 160 pounds of brass. i m going to build a Gingery furnace and i m going to have
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        Hi, i am wondering how many babington burners will be needed to melt about 160 pounds of brass. i'm going to build a Gingery furnace and i'm going to have multiple burners arrainged radially. geoff<><

        Detrick Merz <detrick.merz@...> wrote:

        Yes... what would you like to know? If you look for a yahoogroup called
        'Wastewatts', you'll find a lot more Babington information. Are you
        looking for casting specific Babington info??

        -detrick

        rbrts1035@... wrote:
        > Has anyone had any experience with the Babington? Thanks, geoff<><





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      • Greg Jahnke
        I think it depends on the size of the burners youa re talking about. Check out backyardmetalcasting.com for a babbington alternative. You don t need a
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          I think it depends on the size of the burners youa re talking about.

          Check out backyardmetalcasting.com for a babbington alternative.

          You don't need a specialised burner at all. I found that if you prheat the
          furnace with a propane burner (run it about 10 minutes) then turn on the
          oil, the oil vaporises and burns without any kind of burner at all. Makes a
          very hot, very clean fire. Teh thing to rememebr is that you need plenty of
          air to keep the oil burning clean.

          Somewhere (can't rmember now where I saw it) there is a web page about a
          cast iron crucible furnace that runs on oil pressurised in (I think) an old
          propane tank.

          I think the guy who put the page up is a member here. If so, pls repost. I
          lost the bookmark.




          ----- Original Message -----
          From: geoffrey roberts <rbrts1035@...>
          To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
          Cc: <rbrts344@...>
          Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:22 PM
          Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Babington Burners


          >
          > Hi, i am wondering how many babington burners will be needed to melt about
          160 pounds of brass. i'm going to build a Gingery furnace and i'm going to
          have multiple burners arrainged radially. geoff<><
          >
          > Detrick Merz <detrick.merz@...> wrote:
          >
          > Yes... what would you like to know? If you look for a yahoogroup called
          > 'Wastewatts', you'll find a lot more Babington information. Are you
          > looking for casting specific Babington info??
          >
          > -detrick
          >
          > rbrts1035@... wrote:
          > > Has anyone had any experience with the Babington? Thanks, geoff<><
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        • Dan Owen
          Greg, That sounds like a page from Cameron McKeown s web site: http://home.iprimus.com.au/cmckeown/the_valley.htm Dano ... From: Greg Jahnke
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            Greg,

            That sounds like a page from Cameron McKeown's web site:
            http://home.iprimus.com.au/cmckeown/the_valley.htm


            Dano

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Greg Jahnke" <gjahnke@...>
            To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:16 PM
            Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Babington Burners


            >
            > I think it depends on the size of the burners youa re talking about.
            >
            > Check out backyardmetalcasting.com for a babbington alternative.
            >
            > You don't need a specialised burner at all. I found that if you prheat
            > the
            > furnace with a propane burner (run it about 10 minutes) then turn on the
            > oil, the oil vaporises and burns without any kind of burner at all. Makes
            > a
            > very hot, very clean fire. Teh thing to rememebr is that you need plenty
            > of
            > air to keep the oil burning clean.
            >
            > Somewhere (can't rmember now where I saw it) there is a web page about a
            > cast iron crucible furnace that runs on oil pressurised in (I think) an
            > old
            > propane tank.
            >
            > I think the guy who put the page up is a member here. If so, pls repost.
            > I
            > lost the bookmark.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: geoffrey roberts <rbrts1035@...>
            > To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
            > Cc: <rbrts344@...>
            > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:22 PM
            > Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Babington Burners
            >
            >
            >>
            >> Hi, i am wondering how many babington burners will be needed to melt
            >> about
            > 160 pounds of brass. i'm going to build a Gingery furnace and i'm going to
            > have multiple burners arrainged radially. geoff<><
            >>
            >> Detrick Merz <detrick.merz@...> wrote:
            >>
            >> Yes... what would you like to know? If you look for a yahoogroup called
            >> 'Wastewatts', you'll find a lot more Babington information. Are you
            >> looking for casting specific Babington info??
            >>
            >> -detrick
            >>
            >> rbrts1035@... wrote:
            >> > Has anyone had any experience with the Babington? Thanks, geoff<><
            >>
            >>
            >>
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          • Rich Macys
            What type of waste oil do the burners use? Motor? Cooking? If its either I bet the latter would smell like french fries. :) Motor oil would be great too
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              What type of waste oil do the burners use? Motor? Cooking? If its
              either I bet the latter would smell like french fries. :)

              Motor oil would be great too because of the ease of access to it.
              Just go down to the local Super Lube! Thats great. I can believe the
              temps that it creates. The other day the second time I used the new
              stainless crucible it burned through. I am sure glad that I have the
              furnace surrounded by a barrier. I think I will be ordering the
              graphite ones now.

              Rich

              --- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Owen" <1959dano@c...> wrote:
              > Greg,
              >
              > That sounds like a page from Cameron McKeown's web site:
              > http://home.iprimus.com.au/cmckeown/the_valley.htm
              >
              >
              > Dano
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Greg Jahnke" <gjahnke@b...>
              > To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:16 PM
              > Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Babington Burners
              >
              >
              > >
              > > I think it depends on the size of the burners youa re talking
              about.
              > >
              > > Check out backyardmetalcasting.com for a babbington alternative.
              > >
              > > You don't need a specialised burner at all. I found that if you
              prheat
              > > the
              > > furnace with a propane burner (run it about 10 minutes) then
              turn on the
              > > oil, the oil vaporises and burns without any kind of burner at
              all. Makes
              > > a
              > > very hot, very clean fire. Teh thing to rememebr is that you
              need plenty
              > > of
              > > air to keep the oil burning clean.
              > >
              > > Somewhere (can't rmember now where I saw it) there is a web page
              about a
              > > cast iron crucible furnace that runs on oil pressurised in (I
              think) an
              > > old
              > > propane tank.
              > >
              > > I think the guy who put the page up is a member here. If so,
              pls repost.
              > > I
              > > lost the bookmark.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: geoffrey roberts <rbrts1035@y...>
              > > To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
              > > Cc: <rbrts344@a...>
              > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:22 PM
              > > Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Babington Burners
              > >
              > >
              > >>
              > >> Hi, i am wondering how many babington burners will be needed to
              melt
              > >> about
              > > 160 pounds of brass. i'm going to build a Gingery furnace and
              i'm going to
              > > have multiple burners arrainged radially. geoff<><
              > >>
              > >> Detrick Merz <detrick.merz@m...> wrote:
              > >>
              > >> Yes... what would you like to know? If you look for a
              yahoogroup called
              > >> 'Wastewatts', you'll find a lot more Babington information. Are
              you
              > >> looking for casting specific Babington info??
              > >>
              > >> -detrick
              > >>
              > >> rbrts1035@y... wrote:
              > >> > Has anyone had any experience with the Babington? Thanks,
              geoff<><
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
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              > >> and does not accept attachments. For off topic discussion and
              to share
              > > photos and stuff: join Sandcrabs by sending a blank message to:
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              cannot be
              > >> otherw
              > > ise solved contact the list owner by email:
              > >> owly@t...
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            • Greg Jahnke
              That s the one! Thanks! That was one of my favorite links! ... From: Dan Owen To: Sent: Friday, December
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                That's the one! Thanks! That was one of my favorite links!


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Dan Owen <1959dano@...>
                To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:26 PM
                Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Babington Burners


                >
                > Greg,
                >
                > That sounds like a page from Cameron McKeown's web site:
                > http://home.iprimus.com.au/cmckeown/the_valley.htm
                >
                >
                > Dano
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Greg Jahnke" <gjahnke@...>
                > To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:16 PM
                > Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Babington Burners
                >
                >
                > >
                > > I think it depends on the size of the burners youa re talking about.
                > >
                > > Check out backyardmetalcasting.com for a babbington alternative.
                > >
                > > You don't need a specialised burner at all. I found that if you prheat
                > > the
                > > furnace with a propane burner (run it about 10 minutes) then turn on the
                > > oil, the oil vaporises and burns without any kind of burner at all.
                Makes
                > > a
                > > very hot, very clean fire. Teh thing to rememebr is that you need
                plenty
                > > of
                > > air to keep the oil burning clean.
                > >
                > > Somewhere (can't rmember now where I saw it) there is a web page about a
                > > cast iron crucible furnace that runs on oil pressurised in (I think) an
                > > old
                > > propane tank.
                > >
                > > I think the guy who put the page up is a member here. If so, pls
                repost.
                > > I
                > > lost the bookmark.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: geoffrey roberts <rbrts1035@...>
                > > To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
                > > Cc: <rbrts344@...>
                > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:22 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Babington Burners
                > >
                > >
                > >>
                > >> Hi, i am wondering how many babington burners will be needed to melt
                > >> about
                > > 160 pounds of brass. i'm going to build a Gingery furnace and i'm going
                to
                > > have multiple burners arrainged radially. geoff<><
                > >>
                > >> Detrick Merz <detrick.merz@...> wrote:
                > >>
                > >> Yes... what would you like to know? If you look for a yahoogroup called
                > >> 'Wastewatts', you'll find a lot more Babington information. Are you
                > >> looking for casting specific Babington info??
                > >>
                > >> -detrick
                > >>
                > >> rbrts1035@... wrote:
                > >> > Has anyone had any experience with the Babington? Thanks, geoff<><
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> This list is for discussion of metal casting
                > >> and does not accept attachments. For off topic discussion and to share
                > > photos and stuff: join Sandcrabs by sending a blank message to:
                > > sandcrabs-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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                > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hobbicast For problems that cannot be
                > >> otherw
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              • Greg Jahnke
                I mostly use cooking oil because I pick it up anyway for making biodiesel. When you firstr frie it up, it smells like french fries. After it heats up, you
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                  I mostly use cooking oil because I pick it up anyway for making biodiesel.

                  When you firstr frie it up, it smells like french fries. After it heats up,
                  you can't smell it at all.


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Rich Macys <coffee_rich@...>
                  To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:56 PM
                  Subject: [hobbicast] Re: Babington Burners


                  >
                  >
                  > What type of waste oil do the burners use? Motor? Cooking? If its
                  > either I bet the latter would smell like french fries. :)
                  >
                  > Motor oil would be great too because of the ease of access to it.
                  > Just go down to the local Super Lube! Thats great. I can believe the
                  > temps that it creates. The other day the second time I used the new
                  > stainless crucible it burned through. I am sure glad that I have the
                  > furnace surrounded by a barrier. I think I will be ordering the
                  > graphite ones now.
                  >
                  > Rich
                  >
                  > --- In hobbicast@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Owen" <1959dano@c...> wrote:
                  > > Greg,
                  > >
                  > > That sounds like a page from Cameron McKeown's web site:
                  > > http://home.iprimus.com.au/cmckeown/the_valley.htm
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Dano
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: "Greg Jahnke" <gjahnke@b...>
                  > > To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:16 PM
                  > > Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Babington Burners
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > >
                  > > > I think it depends on the size of the burners youa re talking
                  > about.
                  > > >
                  > > > Check out backyardmetalcasting.com for a babbington alternative.
                  > > >
                  > > > You don't need a specialised burner at all. I found that if you
                  > prheat
                  > > > the
                  > > > furnace with a propane burner (run it about 10 minutes) then
                  > turn on the
                  > > > oil, the oil vaporises and burns without any kind of burner at
                  > all. Makes
                  > > > a
                  > > > very hot, very clean fire. Teh thing to rememebr is that you
                  > need plenty
                  > > > of
                  > > > air to keep the oil burning clean.
                  > > >
                  > > > Somewhere (can't rmember now where I saw it) there is a web page
                  > about a
                  > > > cast iron crucible furnace that runs on oil pressurised in (I
                  > think) an
                  > > > old
                  > > > propane tank.
                  > > >
                  > > > I think the guy who put the page up is a member here. If so,
                  > pls repost.
                  > > > I
                  > > > lost the bookmark.
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                  > > >
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: geoffrey roberts <rbrts1035@y...>
                  > > > To: <hobbicast@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > Cc: <rbrts344@a...>
                  > > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:22 PM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [hobbicast] Babington Burners
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Hi, i am wondering how many babington burners will be needed to
                  > melt
                  > > >> about
                  > > > 160 pounds of brass. i'm going to build a Gingery furnace and
                  > i'm going to
                  > > > have multiple burners arrainged radially. geoff<><
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Detrick Merz <detrick.merz@m...> wrote:
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Yes... what would you like to know? If you look for a
                  > yahoogroup called
                  > > >> 'Wastewatts', you'll find a lot more Babington information. Are
                  > you
                  > > >> looking for casting specific Babington info??
                  > > >>
                  > > >> -detrick
                  > > >>
                  > > >> rbrts1035@y... wrote:
                  > > >> > Has anyone had any experience with the Babington? Thanks,
                  > geoff<><
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