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  • Stephen Cowley
    Hi All, On looking up Hegel literature recently, I discovered that the first biography of Hegel (1844), by Karl Rosenkranz (1805-79), was recently translated
    Message 1 of 8 , Mar 14, 2009
      Hi All,

      On looking up Hegel literature recently, I discovered that the first biography of Hegel (1844), by Karl Rosenkranz (1805-79), was recently translated into French by Pierre Osmo (Vie de Hegel, Paris: Gallimard, 2004). The second, by Rudolf Haym also appeared in the same year (also Gallimard). Osmo's translation has 731 pages, an index of names and appendices by Marheineke, Foerster and Hotho. I gather it was put into Italian shortly before that. It is interesting that the Latin languages are still ahead of English in this respect, perhaps because of the proximity of these countries to Germany and cultural interactions within Europe.

      I've now had a change to look through the introduction by Osmo. I find that Rosenkranz was not actually a direct pupil of Hegel, though he associated with him and his family quite closely in Berlin in his early years and was taught by Leopold von Henning, Hinrichs and Hotho, who were students of Hegel. However, he went on to teach in Koenigsberg (a successor to Kant and contemporary of Herbart) and said this gave him a sense of distance in writing about Hegel, who had lived in Berlin. He had the co-operation of Hegel's family and different levels of co-operation from other people in writing his biography.

      By background, Rosenkranz was a Calvinist (that is, Reformed church, as opposed to Lutheran). The general line he takes was influenced by Marheineke, who edited Hegel's Lectures on Religion - in other words, he contradicts the Left Hegelian line (of D Strauss, Feuerbach, etc) that Hegel was in some way an Atheist or Secular Humanist, who merely expressed himself in religious imagery to disguise the real content of his thought from himself or others. However, Rosenkranz does address Hegel's interest in pagan Greek literature in the early parts of the biography. Rosenkranz also edited Kant's Works - it is fair to say that he focuses on the transition from Kant to Hegel and acknowledges as much, saying that it was inevitable in Koenigsberg!

      He also uses other perspectives (e.g. the Pantheismusstreit and influence of Spinoza) of a theological nature, that perhaps helps to explain why the early reception of Hegel in English from the 1850s takes Hegel so seriously as a theologian. Rosenkranz was also a critic of Schleiermacher - in which he follows Hegel (roughly speaking).

      The volume concludes with Rosenkranz's reply to Haym (1858). The book is obviously the source of much that has since become commonplace in biographical writing on Hegel. Osmo discusses the biographical writings on Hegel of Jacques D'Hondt and the recent German work of Horst Althaus in this respect.

      There may be more to follow from me on this, but I'm afraid I may get distracted, as I did with Hegel's 1831 Lectures on Logic.

      You may also be interested to know that Hegel's review of Hamann has recently been translated into English by LIsa Anderson.

      All the best
      Stephen Cowley

      PS - French review of Osmo's translation from Le Figaro:
      [my version] "The translation of Karl Rosenkranz's book which today appears is an event. The author was chronologically the first biographer of Hegel. He followed the courses of the thinker [this appears not to be true] and knew him personally. It was at the request of Hegel's family that he wrote his book, published in 1844. Rosenkranz was a singular Hegelian, as Pierre Osmo shows in his excellent preface.

      [The book] is the most serious witness of a contemporary of the thinker, neither an exalter nor a detractor. Certainly, he did not know everything and did not say all that he knew, but he keeps his distance with regard to the neo-hegelians who fratricidally attacked each other speedily after the death of the philosopher. Later, when the latter was no longer fashionable, he took up his defence in his Defence of Hegel against Dr Haym, who followed his biography.

      This biography reminds us that Hegel was deeply religious, which we tend to forget nowadays. He never rejected his Protestant upbringing, which was not so gentle with the Catholics and the Jews. He thought that the Church and State were the two pillars of society. "Religion constitutes the most intimate unity of man, who comprehends everything under it." At the end of his life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to the proofs of God's existence. "It is the determination of God that is at the origin of the creative activity of the world" - of which the philosopher describes the history in The Phenomenology of Spirit."

      "La traduction du livre de Karl Rosenkranz qui para�t aujourd'hui est un �v�nement. L'auteur fut chronologiquement le premier biographe de Hegel. Il suivit les cours du penseur, le connut personnellement. C'est � la demande de la famille de Hegel qu'il r�digea son livre publi� en 1844. Rosenkranz �tait un h�g�lien singulier, comme le montre Pierre Osmo dans son excellente pr�face. C'est le t�moignage le plus s�rieux d'un contemporain du penseur, ni chantre ni d�tracteur. Certes, il ne sait pas tout et ne dit pas tout ce qu'il sait, mais il garde ses distances � l'�gard des n�oh�g�liens qui s'entre-tuent all�grement apr�s la mort du philosophe. Plus tard, alors que ce dernier n'�tait plus � la mode, il prendra sa d�fense dans son Apologie de Hegel contre le docteur Haym, qui suit sa biographie... Cette biographie nous rappelle que Hegel �tait profond�ment religieux, ce que l'on a tendance � oublier aujourd'hui. Il n'avait jamais reni� son �ducation protestante, peu tendre avec les catholiques et les juifs. Il pensait que l'Eglise et l'Etat �taient les deux piliers de la soci�t�. �La religion constitue l'unit� la plus intime de l'homme qui comprend tout sous elle.� A la fin de sa vie, Hegel �crivait un texte consacr� aux preuves en faveur de l'existence de Dieu. �C'est la d�termination de Dieu qui est � l'origine de l'activit� cr�atrice du monde� dont le philosophe d�crit l'histoire dans La Ph�nom�nologie de l'esprit...."


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    • Robert Wallace
      Thanks for this very useful report, Stephen. I hope you ll be moved to share more with us. Best, Bob W. ... Robert Wallace website: www.robertmwallace.com
      Message 2 of 8 , Mar 14, 2009
        Thanks for this very useful report, Stephen. I hope you'll be moved to
        share more with us.
        Best, Bob W.
        On Mar 14, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Stephen Cowley wrote:

        > Hi All,
        >
        > On looking up Hegel literature recently, I discovered that the first
        > biography of Hegel (1844), by Karl Rosenkranz (1805-79), was
        > recently translated into French by Pierre Osmo (Vie de Hegel, Paris:
        > Gallimard, 2004). The second, by Rudolf Haym also appeared in the
        > same year (also Gallimard). Osmo's translation has 731 pages, an
        > index of names and appendices by Marheineke, Foerster and Hotho. I
        > gather it was put into Italian shortly before that. It is
        > interesting that the Latin languages are still ahead of English in
        > this respect, perhaps because of the proximity of these countries to
        > Germany and cultural interactions within Europe.
        >
        > I've now had a change to look through the introduction by Osmo. I
        > find that Rosenkranz was not actually a direct pupil of Hegel,
        > though he associated with him and his family quite closely in Berlin
        > in his early years and was taught by Leopold von Henning, Hinrichs
        > and Hotho, who were students of Hegel. However, he went on to teach
        > in Koenigsberg (a successor to Kant and contemporary of Herbart) and
        > said this gave him a sense of distance in writing about Hegel, who
        > had lived in Berlin. He had the co-operation of Hegel's family and
        > different levels of co-operation from other people in writing his
        > biography.
        >
        > By background, Rosenkranz was a Calvinist (that is, Reformed church,
        > as opposed to Lutheran). The general line he takes was influenced
        > by Marheineke, who edited Hegel's Lectures on Religion - in other
        > words, he contradicts the Left Hegelian line (of D Strauss,
        > Feuerbach, etc) that Hegel was in some way an Atheist or Secular
        > Humanist, who merely expressed himself in religious imagery to
        > disguise the real content of his thought from himself or others.
        > However, Rosenkranz does address Hegel's interest in pagan Greek
        > literature in the early parts of the biography. Rosenkranz also
        > edited Kant's Works - it is fair to say that he focuses on the
        > transition from Kant to Hegel and acknowledges as much, saying that
        > it was inevitable in Koenigsberg!
        >
        > He also uses other perspectives (e.g. the Pantheismusstreit and
        > influence of Spinoza) of a theological nature, that perhaps helps to
        > explain why the early reception of Hegel in English from the 1850s
        > takes Hegel so seriously as a theologian. Rosenkranz was also a
        > critic of Schleiermacher - in which he follows Hegel (roughly
        > speaking).
        >
        > The volume concludes with Rosenkranz's reply to Haym (1858). The
        > book is obviously the source of much that has since become
        > commonplace in biographical writing on Hegel. Osmo discusses the
        > biographical writings on Hegel of Jacques D'Hondt and the recent
        > German work of Horst Althaus in this respect.
        >
        > There may be more to follow from me on this, but I'm afraid I may
        > get distracted, as I did with Hegel's 1831 Lectures on Logic.
        >
        > You may also be interested to know that Hegel's review of Hamann has
        > recently been translated into English by LIsa Anderson.
        >
        > All the best
        > Stephen Cowley
        >
        > PS - French review of Osmo's translation from Le Figaro:
        > [my version] "The translation of Karl Rosenkranz's book which today
        > appears is an event. The author was chronologically the first
        > biographer of Hegel. He followed the courses of the thinker [this
        > appears not to be true] and knew him personally. It was at the
        > request of Hegel's family that he wrote his book, published in
        > 1844. Rosenkranz was a singular Hegelian, as Pierre Osmo shows in
        > his excellent preface.
        >
        > [The book] is the most serious witness of a contemporary of the
        > thinker, neither an exalter nor a detractor. Certainly, he did not
        > know everything and did not say all that he knew, but he keeps his
        > distance with regard to the neo-hegelians who fratricidally attacked
        > each other speedily after the death of the philosopher. Later, when
        > the latter was no longer fashionable, he took up his defence in his
        > Defence of Hegel against Dr Haym, who followed his biography.
        >
        > This biography reminds us that Hegel was deeply religious, which we
        > tend to forget nowadays. He never rejected his Protestant
        > upbringing, which was not so gentle with the Catholics and the
        > Jews. He thought that the Church and State were the two pillars of
        > society. "Religion constitutes the most intimate unity of man, who
        > comprehends everything under it." At the end of his life, Hegel
        > wrote a work devoted to the proofs of God's existence. "It is the
        > determination of God that is at the origin of the creative activity
        > of the world" - of which the philosopher describes the history in
        > The Phenomenology of Spirit."
        >
        > "La traduction du livre de Karl Rosenkranz qui paraît aujourd'hui
        > est un événement. L'auteur fut chronologiquement le premier
        > biographe de Hegel. Il suivit les cours du penseur, le connut
        > personnellement. C'est à la demande de la famille de Hegel qu'il
        > rédigea son livre publié en 1844. Rosenkranz était un hégélien
        > singulier, comme le montre Pierre Osmo dans son excellente préface.
        > C'est le témoignage le plus sérieux d'un contemporain du penseur, ni
        > chantre ni détracteur. Certes, il ne sait pas tout et ne dit pas
        > tout ce qu'il sait, mais il garde ses distances à l'égard des
        > néohégéliens qui s'entre-tuent allégrement après la mort du
        > philosophe. Plus tard, alors que ce dernier n'était plus à la mode,
        > il prendra sa défense dans son Apologie de Hegel contre le docteur
        > Haym, qui suit sa biographie... Cette biographie nous rappelle que
        > Hegel était profondément religieux, ce que l'on a tendance à oublier
        > aujourd'hui. Il n'avait jamais renié son éducation protestante, peu
        > tendre avec les catholiques et les juifs. Il pensait que l'Eglise et
        > l'Etat étaient les deux piliers de la société. «La religion
        > constitue l'unité la plus intime de l'homme qui comprend tout sous
        > elle.» A la fin de sa vie, Hegel écrivait un texte consacré aux
        > preuves en faveur de l'existence de Dieu. «C'est la détermination de
        > Dieu qui est à l'origine de l'activité créatrice du monde» dont le
        > philosophe décrit l'histoire dans La Phénoménologie de l'esprit...."
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
        >
        >
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      • Paul Healey
        Hello Stephen, thank you for your scholarly input. ... God s existence.  It is the determination of ... of the creative activity of the world ... describes
        Message 3 of 8 , Mar 16, 2009
          Hello Stephen,

          thank you for your scholarly input.
          What I found very interesting, is when you wrote:

          >At the end of his life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to
          >the proofs of
          God's existence.  "It is the determination of
          >God that is at the origin
          of the creative activity of the world"
          > - of which the philosopher
          describes the history in
          >The Phenomenology of Spirit."

          Can you give a reference for this work; has
          it been published or reviewed in English?

          Could you also tell me if there is any use
          of his speculative method in his proof and criticisms
          of existence proofs; considers the alternation of opposites
          and their resolution within a relation?


          Regards,

          Paul Healey


          --- On Sat, 14/3/09, Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...> wrote:
          From: Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...>
          Subject: [hegel] Rosenkranz in French
          To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Saturday, 14 March, 2009, 8:11 PM

          Hi All,

          On looking up Hegel literature recently, I discovered that the first biography
          of Hegel (1844), by Karl Rosenkranz (1805-79), was recently translated into
          French by Pierre Osmo (Vie de Hegel, Paris: Gallimard, 2004). The second, by
          Rudolf Haym also appeared in the same year (also Gallimard). Osmo's
          translation has 731 pages, an index of names and appendices by Marheineke,
          Foerster and Hotho. I gather it was put into Italian shortly before that. It
          is interesting that the Latin languages are still ahead of English in this
          respect, perhaps because of the proximity of these countries to Germany and
          cultural interactions within Europe.

          I've now had a change to look through the introduction by Osmo. I find
          that Rosenkranz was not actually a direct pupil of Hegel, though he associated
          with him and his family quite closely in Berlin in his early years and was
          taught by Leopold von Henning, Hinrichs and Hotho, who were students of Hegel.
          However, he went on to teach in Koenigsberg (a successor to Kant and
          contemporary of Herbart) and said this gave him a sense of distance in writing
          about Hegel, who had lived in Berlin. He had the co-operation of Hegel's
          family and different levels of co-operation from other people in writing his
          biography.

          By background, Rosenkranz was a Calvinist (that is, Reformed church, as opposed
          to Lutheran). The general line he takes was influenced by Marheineke, who
          edited Hegel's Lectures on Religion - in other words, he contradicts the
          Left Hegelian line (of D Strauss, Feuerbach, etc) that Hegel was in some way an
          Atheist or Secular Humanist, who merely expressed himself in religious imagery
          to disguise the real content of his thought from himself or others. However,
          Rosenkranz does address Hegel's interest in pagan Greek literature in the
          early parts of the biography. Rosenkranz also edited Kant's Works - it is
          fair to say that he focuses on the transition from Kant to Hegel and
          acknowledges as much, saying that it was inevitable in Koenigsberg!

          He also uses other perspectives (e.g. the Pantheismusstreit and influence of
          Spinoza) of a theological nature, that perhaps helps to explain why the early
          reception of Hegel in English from the 1850s takes Hegel so seriously as a
          theologian. Rosenkranz was also a critic of Schleiermacher - in which he
          follows Hegel (roughly speaking).

          The volume concludes with Rosenkranz's reply to Haym (1858). The book is
          obviously the source of much that has since become commonplace in biographical
          writing on Hegel. Osmo discusses the biographical writings on Hegel of Jacques
          D'Hondt and the recent German work of Horst Althaus in this respect.

          There may be more to follow from me on this, but I'm afraid I may get
          distracted, as I did with Hegel's 1831 Lectures on Logic.

          You may also be interested to know that Hegel's review of Hamann has
          recently been translated into English by LIsa Anderson.

          All the best
          Stephen Cowley

          PS - French review of Osmo's translation from Le Figaro:
          [my version] "The translation of Karl Rosenkranz's book which today
          appears is an event. The author was chronologically the first biographer of
          Hegel. He followed the courses of the thinker [this appears not to be true] and
          knew him personally. It was at the request of Hegel's family that he wrote
          his book, published in 1844. Rosenkranz was a singular Hegelian, as Pierre Osmo
          shows in his excellent preface.

          [The book] is the most serious witness of a contemporary of the thinker,
          neither an exalter nor a detractor. Certainly, he did not know everything and
          did not say all that he knew, but he keeps his distance with regard to the
          neo-hegelians who fratricidally attacked each other speedily after the death of
          the philosopher. Later, when the latter was no longer fashionable, he took up
          his defence in his Defence of Hegel against Dr Haym, who followed his biography.


          This biography reminds us that Hegel was deeply religious, which we tend to
          forget nowadays. He never rejected his Protestant upbringing, which was not so
          gentle with the Catholics and the Jews. He thought that the Church and State
          were the two pillars of society. "Religion constitutes the most intimate
          unity of man, who comprehends everything under it." At the end of his
          life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to the proofs of God's existence. "It
          is the determination of God that is at the origin of the creative activity of
          the world" - of which the philosopher describes the history in The
          Phenomenology of Spirit."

          "La traduction du livre de Karl Rosenkranz qui paraît aujourd'hui est
          un événement. L'auteur fut chronologiquement le premier biographe de
          Hegel. Il suivit les cours du penseur, le connut personnellement. C'est à
          la demande de la famille de Hegel qu'il rédigea son livre publié en 1844.
          Rosenkranz était un hégélien singulier, comme le montre Pierre Osmo dans son
          excellente préface. C'est le témoignage le plus sérieux d'un
          contemporain du penseur, ni chantre ni détracteur. Certes, il ne sait pas tout
          et ne dit pas tout ce qu'il sait, mais il garde ses distances à
          l'égard des néohégéliens qui s'entre-tuent allégrement après la
          mort du philosophe. Plus tard, alors que ce dernier n'était plus à la
          mode, il prendra sa défense dans son Apologie de Hegel contre le docteur Haym,
          qui suit sa biographie... Cette biographie nous rappelle que Hegel était
          profondément religieux, ce que l'on a tendance à oublier aujourd'hui.
          Il n'avait jamais renié son éducation protestante, peu tendre avec les
          catholiques et les juifs. Il pensait que l'Eglise et l'Etat étaient les
          deux piliers de la société. «La religion constitue l'unité la plus
          intime de l'homme qui comprend tout sous elle.» A la fin de sa vie, Hegel
          écrivait un texte consacré aux preuves en faveur de l'existence de Dieu.
          «C'est la détermination de Dieu qui est à l'origine de
          l'activité créatrice du monde» dont le philosophe décrit l'histoire
          dans La Phénoménologie de l'esprit...."


          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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        • James Atkins Pritchard
          The following may be of interest: www.amazon.com/Hegel-Lectures-Proofs-Existence-God/dp/0199213844
          Message 4 of 8 , Mar 16, 2009
            The following may be of interest:

            www.amazon.com/Hegel-Lectures-Proofs-Existence-God/dp/0199213844

            www.amazon.com/Hegels-Metaphysics-God-Ontological-Development/dp/0754615146

            Best regards,

            Jim

            2009/3/16 Paul Healey <paulmsrf@...>

            > Hello Stephen,
            >
            > thank you for your scholarly input.
            >
            > What I found very interesting, is when you wrote:
            >
            > >At the end of his life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to
            > >the proofs of
            > God's existence. "It is the determination of
            > >God that is at the origin
            > of the creative activity of the world"
            > > - of which the philosopher
            > describes the history in
            > >The Phenomenology of Spirit."
            >
            > Can you give a reference for this work; has
            > it been published or reviewed in English?
            >
            > Could you also tell me if there is any use
            > of his speculative method in his proof and criticisms
            > of existence proofs; considers the alternation of opposites
            > and their resolution within a relation?
            >
            > Regards,
            >
            > Paul Healey
            >
            > --- On Sat, 14/3/09, Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...<stephen.cowley%40blueyonder.co.uk>>
            > wrote:
            > From: Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...<stephen.cowley%40blueyonder.co.uk>
            > >
            > Subject: [hegel] Rosenkranz in French
            > To: hegel@yahoogroups.com <hegel%40yahoogroups.com>
            > Date: Saturday, 14 March, 2009, 8:11 PM
            >
            >
            > Hi All,
            >
            > On looking up Hegel literature recently, I discovered that the first
            > biography
            > of Hegel (1844), by Karl Rosenkranz (1805-79), was recently translated into
            > French by Pierre Osmo (Vie de Hegel, Paris: Gallimard, 2004). The second,
            > by
            > Rudolf Haym also appeared in the same year (also Gallimard). Osmo's
            > translation has 731 pages, an index of names and appendices by Marheineke,
            > Foerster and Hotho. I gather it was put into Italian shortly before that.
            > It
            > is interesting that the Latin languages are still ahead of English in this
            > respect, perhaps because of the proximity of these countries to Germany and
            > cultural interactions within Europe.
            >
            > I've now had a change to look through the introduction by Osmo. I find
            > that Rosenkranz was not actually a direct pupil of Hegel, though he
            > associated
            > with him and his family quite closely in Berlin in his early years and was
            > taught by Leopold von Henning, Hinrichs and Hotho, who were students of
            > Hegel.
            > However, he went on to teach in Koenigsberg (a successor to Kant and
            > contemporary of Herbart) and said this gave him a sense of distance in
            > writing
            > about Hegel, who had lived in Berlin. He had the co-operation of Hegel's
            > family and different levels of co-operation from other people in writing
            > his
            > biography.
            >
            > By background, Rosenkranz was a Calvinist (that is, Reformed church, as
            > opposed
            > to Lutheran). The general line he takes was influenced by Marheineke, who
            > edited Hegel's Lectures on Religion - in other words, he contradicts the
            > Left Hegelian line (of D Strauss, Feuerbach, etc) that Hegel was in some
            > way an
            > Atheist or Secular Humanist, who merely expressed himself in religious
            > imagery
            > to disguise the real content of his thought from himself or others.
            > However,
            > Rosenkranz does address Hegel's interest in pagan Greek literature in the
            > early parts of the biography. Rosenkranz also edited Kant's Works - it is
            > fair to say that he focuses on the transition from Kant to Hegel and
            > acknowledges as much, saying that it was inevitable in Koenigsberg!
            >
            > He also uses other perspectives (e.g. the Pantheismusstreit and influence
            > of
            > Spinoza) of a theological nature, that perhaps helps to explain why the
            > early
            > reception of Hegel in English from the 1850s takes Hegel so seriously as a
            > theologian. Rosenkranz was also a critic of Schleiermacher - in which he
            > follows Hegel (roughly speaking).
            >
            > The volume concludes with Rosenkranz's reply to Haym (1858). The book is
            > obviously the source of much that has since become commonplace in
            > biographical
            > writing on Hegel. Osmo discusses the biographical writings on Hegel of
            > Jacques
            > D'Hondt and the recent German work of Horst Althaus in this respect.
            >
            > There may be more to follow from me on this, but I'm afraid I may get
            > distracted, as I did with Hegel's 1831 Lectures on Logic.
            >
            > You may also be interested to know that Hegel's review of Hamann has
            > recently been translated into English by LIsa Anderson.
            >
            > All the best
            > Stephen Cowley
            >
            > PS - French review of Osmo's translation from Le Figaro:
            > [my version] "The translation of Karl Rosenkranz's book which today
            > appears is an event. The author was chronologically the first biographer of
            > Hegel. He followed the courses of the thinker [this appears not to be true]
            > and
            > knew him personally. It was at the request of Hegel's family that he wrote
            > his book, published in 1844. Rosenkranz was a singular Hegelian, as Pierre
            > Osmo
            > shows in his excellent preface.
            >
            > [The book] is the most serious witness of a contemporary of the thinker,
            > neither an exalter nor a detractor. Certainly, he did not know everything
            > and
            > did not say all that he knew, but he keeps his distance with regard to the
            > neo-hegelians who fratricidally attacked each other speedily after the
            > death of
            > the philosopher. Later, when the latter was no longer fashionable, he took
            > up
            > his defence in his Defence of Hegel against Dr Haym, who followed his
            > biography.
            >
            >
            > This biography reminds us that Hegel was deeply religious, which we tend to
            > forget nowadays. He never rejected his Protestant upbringing, which was not
            > so
            > gentle with the Catholics and the Jews. He thought that the Church and
            > State
            > were the two pillars of society. "Religion constitutes the most intimate
            > unity of man, who comprehends everything under it." At the end of his
            > life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to the proofs of God's existence. "It
            > is the determination of God that is at the origin of the creative activity
            > of
            > the world" - of which the philosopher describes the history in The
            > Phenomenology of Spirit."
            >
            > "La traduction du livre de Karl Rosenkranz qui paraît aujourd'hui est
            > un événement. L'auteur fut chronologiquement le premier biographe de
            > Hegel. Il suivit les cours du penseur, le connut personnellement. C'est à
            > la demande de la famille de Hegel qu'il rédigea son livre publié en 1844.
            > Rosenkranz était un hégélien singulier, comme le montre Pierre Osmo dans
            > son
            > excellente préface. C'est le témoignage le plus sérieux d'un
            > contemporain du penseur, ni chantre ni détracteur. Certes, il ne sait pas
            > tout
            > et ne dit pas tout ce qu'il sait, mais il garde ses distances à
            > l'égard des néohégéliens qui s'entre-tuent allégrement après la
            > mort du philosophe. Plus tard, alors que ce dernier n'était plus à la
            > mode, il prendra sa défense dans son Apologie de Hegel contre le docteur
            > Haym,
            > qui suit sa biographie... Cette biographie nous rappelle que Hegel était
            > profondément religieux, ce que l'on a tendance à oublier aujourd'hui.
            > Il n'avait jamais renié son éducation protestante, peu tendre avec les
            > catholiques et les juifs. Il pensait que l'Eglise et l'Etat étaient les
            > deux piliers de la société. «La religion constitue l'unité la plus
            > intime de l'homme qui comprend tout sous elle.» A la fin de sa vie, Hegel
            > écrivait un texte consacré aux preuves en faveur de l'existence de Dieu.
            > «C'est la détermination de Dieu qui est à l'origine de
            > l'activité créatrice du monde» dont le philosophe décrit l'histoire
            > dans La Phénoménologie de l'esprit...."
            >
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          • Stephen Cowley
            Hi Paul and Bob, Thanks for your kind words. As for Paul s question on the book on the Proofs of God s existence, yes there is an English version - it is
            Message 5 of 8 , Mar 16, 2009
              Hi Paul and Bob,

              Thanks for your kind words. As for Paul's question on the book on the Proofs of God's existence, yes there is an English version - it is included in Volume 3 of Lectures on the Philosophy of Religion (trans. E B Spiers. London: Routledge, NY: Humanities Press). I think the original appeared in the 1890s, but the edition I have is a reprint dated 1974.

              I am writing a biography of one of Hegel's contemporaries at the moment for a doctorate, so I will try and stick with Rosenkranz for a while for inspiration and hopefully let you know how I get on.

              All the best
              Stephen Cowley


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Paul Healey
              To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:04 PM
              Subject: Re: [hegel] Rosenkranz in French


              Hello Stephen,

              thank you for your scholarly input.
              What I found very interesting, is when you wrote:

              >At the end of his life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to
              >the proofs of
              God's existence.� "It is the determination of
              >God that is at the origin
              of the creative activity of the world"
              > - of which the philosopher
              describes the history in
              >The Phenomenology of Spirit."

              Can you give a reference for this work; has
              it been published or reviewed in English?

              Could you also tell me if there is any use
              of his speculative method in his proof and criticisms
              of existence proofs; considers the alternation of opposites
              and their resolution within a relation?

              Regards,

              Paul Healey

              --- On Sat, 14/3/09, Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...> wrote:
              From: Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...>
              Subject: [hegel] Rosenkranz in French
              To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Saturday, 14 March, 2009, 8:11 PM

              Hi All,

              On looking up Hegel literature recently, I discovered that the first biography
              of Hegel (1844), by Karl Rosenkranz (1805-79), was recently translated into
              French by Pierre Osmo (Vie de Hegel, Paris: Gallimard, 2004). The second, by
              Rudolf Haym also appeared in the same year (also Gallimard). Osmo's
              translation has 731 pages, an index of names and appendices by Marheineke,
              Foerster and Hotho. I gather it was put into Italian shortly before that. It
              is interesting that the Latin languages are still ahead of English in this
              respect, perhaps because of the proximity of these countries to Germany and
              cultural interactions within Europe.

              I've now had a change to look through the introduction by Osmo. I find
              that Rosenkranz was not actually a direct pupil of Hegel, though he associated
              with him and his family quite closely in Berlin in his early years and was
              taught by Leopold von Henning, Hinrichs and Hotho, who were students of Hegel.
              However, he went on to teach in Koenigsberg (a successor to Kant and
              contemporary of Herbart) and said this gave him a sense of distance in writing
              about Hegel, who had lived in Berlin. He had the co-operation of Hegel's
              family and different levels of co-operation from other people in writing his
              biography.

              By background, Rosenkranz was a Calvinist (that is, Reformed church, as opposed
              to Lutheran). The general line he takes was influenced by Marheineke, who
              edited Hegel's Lectures on Religion - in other words, he contradicts the
              Left Hegelian line (of D Strauss, Feuerbach, etc) that Hegel was in some way an
              Atheist or Secular Humanist, who merely expressed himself in religious imagery
              to disguise the real content of his thought from himself or others. However,
              Rosenkranz does address Hegel's interest in pagan Greek literature in the
              early parts of the biography. Rosenkranz also edited Kant's Works - it is
              fair to say that he focuses on the transition from Kant to Hegel and
              acknowledges as much, saying that it was inevitable in Koenigsberg!

              He also uses other perspectives (e.g. the Pantheismusstreit and influence of
              Spinoza) of a theological nature, that perhaps helps to explain why the early
              reception of Hegel in English from the 1850s takes Hegel so seriously as a
              theologian. Rosenkranz was also a critic of Schleiermacher - in which he
              follows Hegel (roughly speaking).

              The volume concludes with Rosenkranz's reply to Haym (1858). The book is
              obviously the source of much that has since become commonplace in biographical
              writing on Hegel. Osmo discusses the biographical writings on Hegel of Jacques
              D'Hondt and the recent German work of Horst Althaus in this respect.

              There may be more to follow from me on this, but I'm afraid I may get
              distracted, as I did with Hegel's 1831 Lectures on Logic.

              You may also be interested to know that Hegel's review of Hamann has
              recently been translated into English by LIsa Anderson.

              All the best
              Stephen Cowley

              PS - French review of Osmo's translation from Le Figaro:
              [my version] "The translation of Karl Rosenkranz's book which today
              appears is an event. The author was chronologically the first biographer of
              Hegel. He followed the courses of the thinker [this appears not to be true] and
              knew him personally. It was at the request of Hegel's family that he wrote
              his book, published in 1844. Rosenkranz was a singular Hegelian, as Pierre Osmo
              shows in his excellent preface.

              [The book] is the most serious witness of a contemporary of the thinker,
              neither an exalter nor a detractor. Certainly, he did not know everything and
              did not say all that he knew, but he keeps his distance with regard to the
              neo-hegelians who fratricidally attacked each other speedily after the death of
              the philosopher. Later, when the latter was no longer fashionable, he took up
              his defence in his Defence of Hegel against Dr Haym, who followed his biography.


              This biography reminds us that Hegel was deeply religious, which we tend to
              forget nowadays. He never rejected his Protestant upbringing, which was not so
              gentle with the Catholics and the Jews. He thought that the Church and State
              were the two pillars of society. "Religion constitutes the most intimate
              unity of man, who comprehends everything under it." At the end of his
              life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to the proofs of God's existence. "It
              is the determination of God that is at the origin of the creative activity of
              the world" - of which the philosopher describes the history in The
              Phenomenology of Spirit."

              "La traduction du livre de Karl Rosenkranz qui para��t aujourd'hui est
              un ��v��nement. L'auteur fut chronologiquement le premier biographe de
              Hegel. Il suivit les cours du penseur, le connut personnellement. C'est �
              la demande de la famille de Hegel qu'il r��digea son livre publi�� en 1844.
              Rosenkranz ��tait un h��g��lien singulier, comme le montre Pierre Osmo dans son
              excellente pr��face. C'est le t��moignage le plus s��rieux d'un
              contemporain du penseur, ni chantre ni d��tracteur. Certes, il ne sait pas tout
              et ne dit pas tout ce qu'il sait, mais il garde ses distances �
              l'��gard des n��oh��g��liens qui s'entre-tuent all��grement apr��s la
              mort du philosophe. Plus tard, alors que ce dernier n'��tait plus � la
              mode, il prendra sa d��fense dans son Apologie de Hegel contre le docteur Haym,
              qui suit sa biographie... Cette biographie nous rappelle que Hegel ��tait
              profond��ment religieux, ce que l'on a tendance � oublier aujourd'hui.
              Il n'avait jamais reni�� son ��ducation protestante, peu tendre avec les
              catholiques et les juifs. Il pensait que l'Eglise et l'Etat ��taient les
              deux piliers de la soci��t��. ��La religion constitue l'unit�� la plus
              intime de l'homme qui comprend tout sous elle.�� A la fin de sa vie, Hegel
              ��crivait un texte consacr�� aux preuves en faveur de l'existence de Dieu.
              ��C'est la d��termination de Dieu qui est � l'origine de
              l'activit�� cr��atrice du monde�� dont le philosophe d��crit l'histoire
              dans La Ph��nom��nologie de l'esprit...."

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            • Paul Healey
              Stephen and James, thank you for the references. Just looking at the intro of the lectures, it seems these might contribute towards further understanding how
              Message 6 of 8 , Mar 17, 2009
                Stephen and James,

                thank you for the references.
                Just looking at the intro of the lectures, it seems
                these might contribute towards further understanding how far
                Hegel actually did get with his Speculative Logic.

                I will not get a copy right away, as
                I'm writing up a theory of modality
                that might even shed some light on
                Hegel's understanding of it; since it is
                inspired by his Speculative Logic.


                Regards,

                Paul Healey


                --- On Mon, 16/3/09, Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...> wrote:
                From: Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...>
                Subject: Re: [hegel] Rosenkranz in French
                To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Monday, 16
                March, 2009, 9:49 PM

                Hi Paul and Bob,

                Thanks for your kind words. As for Paul's question on the book on the
                Proofs of God's existence, yes there is an English version - it is included
                in Volume 3 of Lectures on the Philosophy of Religion (trans. E B Spiers.
                London: Routledge, NY: Humanities Press). I think the original appeared in the
                1890s, but the edition I have is a reprint dated 1974.

                I am writing a biography of one of Hegel's contemporaries at the moment for
                a doctorate, so I will try and stick with Rosenkranz for a while for inspiration
                and hopefully let you know how I get on.

                All the best
                Stephen Cowley


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Paul Healey
                To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:04 PM
                Subject: Re: [hegel] Rosenkranz in French


                Hello Stephen,

                thank you for your scholarly input.
                What I found very
                interesting, is when you wrote:

                >At the end of his life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to
                >the proofs of
                God's existence. "It is the determination of
                >God that is at the origin
                of the creative activity of the world"
                > - of which the philosopher
                describes the history in
                >The Phenomenology of Spirit."

                Can you give a reference for this work; has
                it been published or reviewed in English?

                Could you also tell me if there is any use
                of his speculative method in his proof and criticisms
                of existence proofs; considers the alternation of opposites
                and their resolution within a relation?

                Regards,

                Paul Healey

                --- On Sat, 14/3/09, Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...>
                wrote:
                From: Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...>
                Subject: [hegel] Rosenkranz in French
                To: hegel@yahoogroups.com

                Date: Saturday, 14 March, 2009, 8:11 PM

                Hi All,

                On looking up Hegel literature recently, I discovered that the first
                biography
                of Hegel (1844), by Karl Rosenkranz (1805-79), was recently translated into
                French by Pierre Osmo (Vie de Hegel, Paris: Gallimard, 2004). The second, by
                Rudolf Haym also appeared in the same year (also Gallimard). Osmo's
                translation has 731 pages, an index of names and appendices by Marheineke,
                Foerster and Hotho. I gather it was put into Italian shortly before that. It
                is interesting that the Latin languages are still ahead of English in this
                respect, perhaps because of the proximity of these countries to Germany and
                cultural interactions within Europe.

                I've now had a change to look through the introduction by Osmo. I find
                that Rosenkranz was not actually a direct pupil of Hegel, though he
                associated
                with him and his family quite closely in
                Berlin in his early years and was
                taught by Leopold von Henning, Hinrichs and Hotho, who were students of
                Hegel.
                However, he went on to teach in Koenigsberg (a successor to Kant and
                contemporary of Herbart) and said this gave him a sense of distance in
                writing
                about Hegel, who had lived in Berlin. He had the co-operation of Hegel's
                family and different levels of co-operation from other people in writing his
                biography.

                By background, Rosenkranz was a Calvinist (that is, Reformed church, as
                opposed
                to Lutheran). The general line he takes was influenced by Marheineke, who
                edited Hegel's Lectures on Religion - in other words, he contradicts the
                Left Hegelian line (of D Strauss, Feuerbach, etc) that Hegel was in some way
                an
                Atheist or Secular Humanist, who merely expressed himself in religious
                imagery
                to disguise the real content of his thought from himself or others.
                However,
                Rosenkranz does address Hegel's interest in pagan Greek literature in the
                early parts of the biography. Rosenkranz also edited Kant's Works - it is
                fair to say that he focuses on the transition from Kant to Hegel and
                acknowledges as much, saying that it was inevitable in Koenigsberg!

                He also uses other perspectives (e.g. the Pantheismusstreit and influence of
                Spinoza) of a theological nature, that perhaps helps to explain why the early
                reception of Hegel in English from the 1850s takes Hegel so seriously as a
                theologian. Rosenkranz was also a critic of Schleiermacher - in which he
                follows Hegel (roughly speaking).

                The volume concludes with Rosenkranz's reply to Haym (1858). The book is
                obviously the source of much that has since become commonplace in
                biographical
                writing on Hegel. Osmo discusses the biographical writings on Hegel of
                Jacques
                D'Hondt and the recent
                German work of Horst Althaus in this respect.

                There may be more to follow from me on this, but I'm afraid I may get
                distracted, as I did with Hegel's 1831 Lectures on Logic.

                You may also be interested to know that Hegel's review of Hamann has
                recently been translated into English by LIsa Anderson.

                All the best
                Stephen Cowley

                PS - French review of Osmo's translation from Le Figaro:
                [my version] "The translation of Karl Rosenkranz's book which today
                appears is an event. The author was chronologically the first biographer of
                Hegel. He followed the courses of the thinker [this appears not to be true]
                and
                knew him personally. It was at the request of Hegel's family that he
                wrote
                his book, published in 1844. Rosenkranz was a singular Hegelian, as Pierre
                Osmo
                shows in his excellent preface.

                [The book] is the most serious witness of a contemporary of the
                thinker,
                neither an exalter nor a detractor. Certainly, he did not know everything and
                did not say all that he knew, but he keeps his distance with regard to the
                neo-hegelians who fratricidally attacked each other speedily after the death
                of
                the philosopher. Later, when the latter was no longer fashionable, he took up
                his defence in his Defence of Hegel against Dr Haym, who followed his
                biography.


                This biography reminds us that Hegel was deeply religious, which we tend to
                forget nowadays. He never rejected his Protestant upbringing, which was not
                so
                gentle with the Catholics and the Jews. He thought that the Church and State
                were the two pillars of society. "Religion constitutes the most intimate
                unity of man, who comprehends everything under it." At the end of his
                life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to the proofs of God's existence.
                "It
                is the determination of God that is at
                the origin of the creative activity of
                the world" - of which the philosopher describes the history in The
                Phenomenology of Spirit."

                "La traduction du livre de Karl Rosenkranz qui paraît aujourd'hui
                est
                un événement. L'auteur fut chronologiquement le premier biographe
                de
                Hegel. Il suivit les cours du penseur, le connut personnellement. C'est
                Ã
                la demande de la famille de Hegel qu'il rédigea son livre publié en
                1844.
                Rosenkranz était un hégélien singulier, comme le montre Pierre Osmo
                dans son
                excellente préface. C'est le témoignage le plus sérieux d'un
                contemporain du penseur, ni chantre ni détracteur. Certes, il ne sait pas
                tout
                et ne dit pas tout ce qu'il sait, mais il garde ses distances Ã
                l'égard des néohégéliens qui s'entre-tuent allégrement
                après la
                mort du philosophe. Plus tard, alors que ce dernier
                n'était plus Ã
                la
                mode, il prendra sa défense dans son Apologie de Hegel contre le docteur
                Haym,
                qui suit sa biographie... Cette biographie nous rappelle que Hegel était
                profondément religieux, ce que l'on a tendance à oublier
                aujourd'hui.
                Il n'avait jamais renié son éducation protestante, peu tendre avec
                les
                catholiques et les juifs. Il pensait que l'Eglise et l'Etat
                étaient les
                deux piliers de la société. «La religion constitue l'unité la
                plus
                intime de l'homme qui comprend tout sous elle.» A la fin de sa vie,
                Hegel
                écrivait un texte consacré aux preuves en faveur de l'existence de
                Dieu.
                «C'est la détermination de Dieu qui est à l'origine de
                l'activité créatrice du monde» dont le philosophe décrit
                l'histoire
                dans La Phénoménologie de l'esprit...."

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              • Kai Froeb
                Dear Group, discussing Rosenkranz is probably more appropriate in the Hegel-Hegelain list. For now, I would like to mention, that nearly all - and he wrote a
                Message 7 of 8 , Mar 18, 2009
                  Dear Group,

                  discussing Rosenkranz is probably more appropriate in the Hegel-Hegelain list.

                  For now, I would like to mention, that nearly all - and he wrote a lot! - books of Rosenkranz (with very few exceptions) can be downloaded as PDFs (digitalised by Google) at http://hegel.net/rosenkranz/ . Of course, most of them, especialy the major works, are in German.

                  Rosenkranz, together with Michelet (more left) and Erdmann (more right), was one of those 3 Heglian Professors of Philosophy who stayed Hegelian all their long life, knew Hegel personaly but were very young when Hegel dies and so had a very long life were they could publish many, many works for a long time (for Michelets work, see http://hegel.net/michelet/ for Erdmann http://hegel.net/erdmann ).

                  As the people writing to this list regularly often showed a special interest in topics of religion and theology, I would like to draw your special attention to Rosenkranz work in this erea, his "Theologische Enzycklopaedie" (in 2 editions, 1830 - reviewed by Strauss in teh Jahrbuecher fuer Wissenschaftliche Kritik - , and 1845 as a conseuqence of the Strauss/Bauer/Feuerbach etc affair completly rewritten) and his book in "Naturreligion" (1831).

                  The works also contain his last big book, his authobiography ("Von Magdeburg nach Koenigsberg", 1873), wich covers the first 30 years of his life, including his becoming a Hegelian and his time in Berlin.

                  While Rosenkranz seems to be most known in teh english world because of his "Pedagogic as a system" (A work more or less forgotten in Germany), in Germany he is best known for his "Aestetic of the Ugly" (Aesthetik des Haesslichen, 1853) as well as for his Hegel Biography (1844) of course. The Hegel biography was the work he himself thought that it would prevail from him, even when everything else would be forgotten.

                  At his time, among hegelians, what was most discussed was his "Wissenschaft der Logischen Idee" (1858/59), were he rewrote Hegel's Logic, in a way that was full of nice samples and written in an easy to follow langauge, but witch most absence of dialectic and several significant changes to the architecture of Hegel's Logic, so that it was not accepted by the fellow Hegelians.

                  Rosenkranz own system was published 1850 and, beside an abreviated version of his logic, has an interesting part on philosophy of nature and again a very much changed part of the philosophy of spirit (within those Hegelains who sticked to teh Hegel scholl and named themselves Hegelian all obver their life, Rosenkranz was probably the most heterodox).

                  Those interested in Hegelian Theology may also be interested in teh works of the betetr known Hegelian Theologians Daub http://hegel.net/daub and Marheinecke http://hegel.net/marheinecke

                  You will find links to more "right (and center) hegelians" at:
                  http://wiki.hegel-system.de/index.php/Rechtshegelianismus#Werke_prominenter_.22Rechtshegelianer.22_als_PDF

                  HTH (hope that helps),
                  All the best
                  Kai


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                  Some additional remarks on some aspects of Stephen s mail: Rosenkranz Hegel bigraphy appeared as supplement to the Hegel works. It was first planned that
                  Message 8 of 8 , Mar 18, 2009
                    Some additional remarks on some aspects of Stephen's mail:

                    Rosenkranz' Hegel bigraphy appeared as supplement to the Hegel works. It was first planned that Eduard Gans (who was together with Marheinecke the de facto leader of the Berlin Hegelians after Hegel's deatch) was to write this Hegel Biography. Only after Gans died so early, Rosenkranz was choosen. Rosenkranz ws not among the oroginal list of publishers of Hegel's work, and it was mostly because he had enough time that he was choosen (for Hegel's wife, it was also important that Rosenkranz made a polite and not radical impression, so would not bring Hegel into a bad light in his biography). So officialy selected by the Hegel family and the editors, Rosenkranz could get full support, including full access to Hegels letters and notes.

                    Many of these have been lost since that time (in 19th century, people had the habit of asking for original writings of people they honoured, just like today they ask for signatures, and so many papers were given away that way, also the family gave a lot of these Hegel papers which they considered unimportant to a paper mill, also probably all/most of what was in Koenigsberg has been destroyed in WW2). So what Rosenranz tells us out of these papers lost is the only acount we have of the content of these papers and so in this respect, his biography is unsurpasable. So you will find that about 90% of the content of ordinary Hegel biographys is taken from Rosenkranz biography and as well as from the collection of letters, personal papers and remarks of otehr people on Hegel published at Meiner Verlag, Hamburg.

                    Haym's biography was the second biography to be published on Hegel, and it was done at a time when the memory of Hegel was almost lost. In that bibiography, he publsihed some material not mentioned in Rosenkranz' work, but it has been mainly lasted as the single most important source of bad mouthing Hegel in the German history of philosophy as wella s public opinion (its aproach to Hegel is similar in tendency to Russel and Popper).

                    BTW, Haym (later a middle-right liberal) was a stduent of of right Hegelian Erdmann in Halle. AQccording to Erdmans biograph Glockner, Erdmann was very proud in the freedom of science and so wanted to motivate his students to only study for truth, not for authorities by granting them that they would pass his exams whatever they say. Haym successfuly tested Erdmann by passing Erdmans exams without knowing anything.

                    Regarding Schleiemracher, it is true that Rosenkranz published a critique of Schleiermacher 1836. However, Rosenkranz, like most students of Berlin university studied also at Schleiermacher and was - again like most students (including Hegelians) of his time - influenced by Schleiermacher. So the general picture, that Hegelians were just enemies of Schleiermacher is not completly true.

                    Judging from the biographies of the time I wrote as well as from the number of hearers and the reports from the Berlin university, beside studying under the professors of the Hegel school, a student interested in Hegel's philosophy in the Berlin of the 1820's and 1830's would also hear lectures e.g. from Ritter (Geography), Schleiermacher (Religion), Savigny (law) and others (for example Marx heard lectures on Histroy of law both from Gans and from Hegel enemy Savigny).

                    HTH, All the best
                    Kai

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