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  • Paul Healey
    Mar 17, 2009
      Stephen and James,

      thank you for the references.
      Just looking at the intro of the lectures, it seems
      these might contribute towards further understanding how far
      Hegel actually did get with his Speculative Logic.

      I will not get a copy right away, as
      I'm writing up a theory of modality
      that might even shed some light on
      Hegel's understanding of it; since it is
      inspired by his Speculative Logic.


      Regards,

      Paul Healey


      --- On Mon, 16/3/09, Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...> wrote:
      From: Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...>
      Subject: Re: [hegel] Rosenkranz in French
      To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Monday, 16
      March, 2009, 9:49 PM

      Hi Paul and Bob,

      Thanks for your kind words. As for Paul's question on the book on the
      Proofs of God's existence, yes there is an English version - it is included
      in Volume 3 of Lectures on the Philosophy of Religion (trans. E B Spiers.
      London: Routledge, NY: Humanities Press). I think the original appeared in the
      1890s, but the edition I have is a reprint dated 1974.

      I am writing a biography of one of Hegel's contemporaries at the moment for
      a doctorate, so I will try and stick with Rosenkranz for a while for inspiration
      and hopefully let you know how I get on.

      All the best
      Stephen Cowley


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Paul Healey
      To: hegel@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:04 PM
      Subject: Re: [hegel] Rosenkranz in French


      Hello Stephen,

      thank you for your scholarly input.
      What I found very
      interesting, is when you wrote:

      >At the end of his life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to
      >the proofs of
      God's existence. "It is the determination of
      >God that is at the origin
      of the creative activity of the world"
      > - of which the philosopher
      describes the history in
      >The Phenomenology of Spirit."

      Can you give a reference for this work; has
      it been published or reviewed in English?

      Could you also tell me if there is any use
      of his speculative method in his proof and criticisms
      of existence proofs; considers the alternation of opposites
      and their resolution within a relation?

      Regards,

      Paul Healey

      --- On Sat, 14/3/09, Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...>
      wrote:
      From: Stephen Cowley <stephen.cowley@...>
      Subject: [hegel] Rosenkranz in French
      To: hegel@yahoogroups.com

      Date: Saturday, 14 March, 2009, 8:11 PM

      Hi All,

      On looking up Hegel literature recently, I discovered that the first
      biography
      of Hegel (1844), by Karl Rosenkranz (1805-79), was recently translated into
      French by Pierre Osmo (Vie de Hegel, Paris: Gallimard, 2004). The second, by
      Rudolf Haym also appeared in the same year (also Gallimard). Osmo's
      translation has 731 pages, an index of names and appendices by Marheineke,
      Foerster and Hotho. I gather it was put into Italian shortly before that. It
      is interesting that the Latin languages are still ahead of English in this
      respect, perhaps because of the proximity of these countries to Germany and
      cultural interactions within Europe.

      I've now had a change to look through the introduction by Osmo. I find
      that Rosenkranz was not actually a direct pupil of Hegel, though he
      associated
      with him and his family quite closely in
      Berlin in his early years and was
      taught by Leopold von Henning, Hinrichs and Hotho, who were students of
      Hegel.
      However, he went on to teach in Koenigsberg (a successor to Kant and
      contemporary of Herbart) and said this gave him a sense of distance in
      writing
      about Hegel, who had lived in Berlin. He had the co-operation of Hegel's
      family and different levels of co-operation from other people in writing his
      biography.

      By background, Rosenkranz was a Calvinist (that is, Reformed church, as
      opposed
      to Lutheran). The general line he takes was influenced by Marheineke, who
      edited Hegel's Lectures on Religion - in other words, he contradicts the
      Left Hegelian line (of D Strauss, Feuerbach, etc) that Hegel was in some way
      an
      Atheist or Secular Humanist, who merely expressed himself in religious
      imagery
      to disguise the real content of his thought from himself or others.
      However,
      Rosenkranz does address Hegel's interest in pagan Greek literature in the
      early parts of the biography. Rosenkranz also edited Kant's Works - it is
      fair to say that he focuses on the transition from Kant to Hegel and
      acknowledges as much, saying that it was inevitable in Koenigsberg!

      He also uses other perspectives (e.g. the Pantheismusstreit and influence of
      Spinoza) of a theological nature, that perhaps helps to explain why the early
      reception of Hegel in English from the 1850s takes Hegel so seriously as a
      theologian. Rosenkranz was also a critic of Schleiermacher - in which he
      follows Hegel (roughly speaking).

      The volume concludes with Rosenkranz's reply to Haym (1858). The book is
      obviously the source of much that has since become commonplace in
      biographical
      writing on Hegel. Osmo discusses the biographical writings on Hegel of
      Jacques
      D'Hondt and the recent
      German work of Horst Althaus in this respect.

      There may be more to follow from me on this, but I'm afraid I may get
      distracted, as I did with Hegel's 1831 Lectures on Logic.

      You may also be interested to know that Hegel's review of Hamann has
      recently been translated into English by LIsa Anderson.

      All the best
      Stephen Cowley

      PS - French review of Osmo's translation from Le Figaro:
      [my version] "The translation of Karl Rosenkranz's book which today
      appears is an event. The author was chronologically the first biographer of
      Hegel. He followed the courses of the thinker [this appears not to be true]
      and
      knew him personally. It was at the request of Hegel's family that he
      wrote
      his book, published in 1844. Rosenkranz was a singular Hegelian, as Pierre
      Osmo
      shows in his excellent preface.

      [The book] is the most serious witness of a contemporary of the
      thinker,
      neither an exalter nor a detractor. Certainly, he did not know everything and
      did not say all that he knew, but he keeps his distance with regard to the
      neo-hegelians who fratricidally attacked each other speedily after the death
      of
      the philosopher. Later, when the latter was no longer fashionable, he took up
      his defence in his Defence of Hegel against Dr Haym, who followed his
      biography.


      This biography reminds us that Hegel was deeply religious, which we tend to
      forget nowadays. He never rejected his Protestant upbringing, which was not
      so
      gentle with the Catholics and the Jews. He thought that the Church and State
      were the two pillars of society. "Religion constitutes the most intimate
      unity of man, who comprehends everything under it." At the end of his
      life, Hegel wrote a work devoted to the proofs of God's existence.
      "It
      is the determination of God that is at
      the origin of the creative activity of
      the world" - of which the philosopher describes the history in The
      Phenomenology of Spirit."

      "La traduction du livre de Karl Rosenkranz qui paraît aujourd'hui
      est
      un événement. L'auteur fut chronologiquement le premier biographe
      de
      Hegel. Il suivit les cours du penseur, le connut personnellement. C'est
      Ã
      la demande de la famille de Hegel qu'il rédigea son livre publié en
      1844.
      Rosenkranz était un hégélien singulier, comme le montre Pierre Osmo
      dans son
      excellente préface. C'est le témoignage le plus sérieux d'un
      contemporain du penseur, ni chantre ni détracteur. Certes, il ne sait pas
      tout
      et ne dit pas tout ce qu'il sait, mais il garde ses distances Ã
      l'égard des néohégéliens qui s'entre-tuent allégrement
      après la
      mort du philosophe. Plus tard, alors que ce dernier
      n'était plus Ã
      la
      mode, il prendra sa défense dans son Apologie de Hegel contre le docteur
      Haym,
      qui suit sa biographie... Cette biographie nous rappelle que Hegel était
      profondément religieux, ce que l'on a tendance à oublier
      aujourd'hui.
      Il n'avait jamais renié son éducation protestante, peu tendre avec
      les
      catholiques et les juifs. Il pensait que l'Eglise et l'Etat
      étaient les
      deux piliers de la société. «La religion constitue l'unité la
      plus
      intime de l'homme qui comprend tout sous elle.» A la fin de sa vie,
      Hegel
      écrivait un texte consacré aux preuves en faveur de l'existence de
      Dieu.
      «C'est la détermination de Dieu qui est à l'origine de
      l'activité créatrice du monde» dont le philosophe décrit
      l'histoire
      dans La Phénoménologie de l'esprit...."

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