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4620Re: [hegel] Re: The most abstractest is the most realistic

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  • Bob Wallace
    Mar 7, 2008
      Dear Wil,

      I'm not sure that I understand your objection, but here's an answer
      to what you may have in mind. My understanding of Marx's theory of
      ideology is that he thinks that each ideology reflects the class
      interests of the people who endorse it. That means that ideologies
      (unlike "sense-experience," "perception," "reason" and the like) do
      not have a foundation in the reality that we all share: they
      represent only the special concerns of certain groups of people. So
      if Morality, Religion, and Absolute Mind/Spirit "belong to the
      ideological sphere," they have no foundation in the reality that we
      all share (what Chenyuquan refers to as "our everyday lives"), but
      instead they represent only. so to speak, special interests. They
      have no "firm foundation" in the sense that there's no good reason
      for everyone to endorse them, but only for those whose special
      interests (class interests) they reflect. As far as I can tell, this
      is what Marx believes.

      Does this make what I was trying to say clearer? Do you still disagree?

      Best, Bob

      >Bob,
      >
      >Because something is 'ideological', that means that it has no firm foundation
      >-- and you attribute a position like this to Marx "in particular"? You would
      >have a hard job showing that, I assure you.
      >
      >I hope that you at least accept that some of us -- myself, certainly -- might
      >interpret things a good deal differently.
      >
      >Yours,
      >Wil
      >
      >In a message dated 3/6/08 5:49:04 PM, philosop@... writes:
      >
      >
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Hello Chenyuquan,
      >>
      >> You misunderstand me. I certainly do not think that Morality,
      >> Religion and Absolute Mind/Spirit "belong to the ideological sphere."
      >> (Is that what you meant by "ideolocial" (Is that what you meant by "i
      >> part of our everyday lives. I agree with Hegel about this, and I
      >> disagree with the Materialists, Atheists, Skeptics and Naturalists
      >> who argue that these concepts have no firm foundation, and are merely
      >> "ideological. "ideological.<wbr>" I think that one of Hegel's greate
      >> is that he showed how these concepts _do_ have a firm foundation.
      >> This is the main goal of his major works, the _Phenomenology of
      >> Spirit_, _Science of Logic_, _Encyclopedia of the Philosophical
      >> Sciences_, and _Philosophy of Right_.
      >>
      >> I hope that Chinese scholars appreciate this accomplishment of
      >> Hegel's, which is one of the important ways in which Hegel disagrees
      >> with Karl Marx (in particular). It is very unfortunate that Marx did
      >> not appreciate or agree with this accomplishment of Hegel's, because
      >> without Morality (etc.), human life is a disaster.
      >>
      >> Best regards,
      >> Bob W
      >>
      >>
      >>
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