On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 10:46:57 AM CDT, bill.hord bill.hord@... [hegel] <hegel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Mary, is it fair to say that the truth of religion (to turn a common Hegelian phrase) is other than religion?

Bill 

This email may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this email in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this email. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this email is strictly prohibited.

---

From: hegel@yahoogroups.com <hegel@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Mary Malo reading_for_meaning@... [hegel] <hegel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 9:53 AM
To: hegel@yahoogroups.com <hegel@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [hegel] The monstrous death of God

 

Unsubscribe

It appears that you have subscribed to commercial messages from this sender. To stop receiving such messages from this sender, please unsubscribe

Bill,

Hegel is clearly not allowing religion to remain simply religion. The proper form for its content, absolute idea, is philosophy rather than representational religion. To raise religion above its representational form with and for philosophy is a difficult task, afflicted throughout with positivity and reflective attitude towards infinite and finite. By designating it as consummate and/or revealed, religion is thereby elevated to its proper form, conceptual. Hegel intends to show that the absolute idea isn't religion, but rather that its object, God as the absolute idea, is.

"The law of freedom is not valid simply because it is there, but rather because it is the determination of our rationality itself. When it is known in this way, then it is not something that is merely positive or externally valid. Religion also appears as positive in the entire content of its doctrines. But it should not remain in this form; it should not be a matter of mere representation or of bare remembrance." (p. 253-4, LPR Vol. 3)

The witness of spirit in its highest form is that of philosophy according to which the concept develops the truth purely as such from itself without presuppositions. As it develops, it cognizes―in and through its development it has insight into―the necessity of the truth.(Ibid, p. 256)

In our present consideration of this religion, we shall not set to work in merely historical fashion, which would entail starting with external matters, but rather we shall proceed conceptually. (Ibid, p. 262)

Regards,

Mary

On Monday, September 30, 2019, 03:37:57 PM CDT, bill.hord bill.hord@... [hegel] <hegel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Paul, put briefly, I believe this is not Hegel's broadest view of things. I don't object to the claim that "Finite spirit is a moment in the Reality of God." In fact I claim that the finite is a moment in everything, and the infinite is a moment likewise of everything. As self-determination of the concept.

So, for a Christian with restricted vision, the Idea releasing itself into nature appears to be of necessity God as the ground. Hegel was a different kind of Christian. He recognized that what appears to the Christian as the true religion and the original doctrine of speculative philosophy -- and what appears to Hegel even as the "consummate religion" -- is still only religion. Religion isn't a small thing for Hegel, but it isn't the Absolute Idea.

Bill 

This email may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this email in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this email. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this email is strictly prohibited.

---

From: hegel@yahoogroups.com <hegel@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Paul Trejo petrejo@... [hegel] <hegel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 2:20 PM
To: hegel@yahoogroups.com <hegel@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [hegel] The monstrous death of God

 

Unsubscribe

It appears that you have subscribed to commercial messages from this sender. To stop receiving such messages from this sender, please unsubscribe

Bill,

Hegel clearly states -- in explicit terms -- that the Finite spirit is a moment in the Reality of God.  He says this in his LPEG, in the section on the Cosmological Proof of God's Existence.

God, the Ground of Being, provides a Ground for all finite beings to emerge from the Ground, endure for a time, and then return to that same Ground.

Thus, the Finite spirit is a moment in the Reality of God.

We covered this last year, I think.   I can dig out the page number if you like.

All best,

--Paul

=============================================

On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 02:52:53 PM CDT, bill.hord bill.hord@... [hegel] <hegel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

...Is Hegel speaking in his own voice when he references the finitude of God?

Finitude is also a moment in the concept of God.

Bill